Ronald Bailey | April 26, 2007
Today is the 400th anniversary of English colonists landing at Cape Henry at the mouth of the Chesepeake Bay. They arrived in three ships, the Susan Constant, the Godspeed and the Discovery. This kicks off a year of activities commemorating the founding of the Virginia colony at Jamestown in 1607.
Before setting sail, the London Council offered some interesting advice on how the colonists should deal with natives. To wit:
Secondly you must in no Case Suffer any of the natural people of the Country to inhabit between You and the Sea Coast for you Cannot Carry Your Selves so towards them but they will Grow Discontented with Your habitation and be ready to Guide and assist any Nation that Shall Come to invade You and if You neglect this You neglect Your Safety. . . .
In all Your Passages you must have Great Care not to Offend the naturals if You Can Eschew it and imploy Some few of your Company to trade with them for Corn and all Other lasting Victuals . . . and this you must Do before that they perceive you mean to plant among them. . . .
And how Weary Soever your Soldiers be Let them never trust the Country people with the Carriage of their Weapons for if they Run from You with Your Shott which they only fear they will Easily kill them with all their arrows. And whensoever any of Yours Shoots before them be sure that they be Chosen out of your best Markesmen for if they See Your Learners miss what they aim at they will think the Weapon not so terrible and thereby will be bould to Assailt You. Above all things Do not advertize the killing of any of your men that the Country people may know . . . they are but Common men. . . . Do well also not to Let them See or know of Your Sick men . . . which may also Encourage them to many Enterprizes.
In any case, Jamestown was officially founded on May 14, 1607 and the rest is history. Happy 400th!
Disclosure: I grew up in Virginia and currently live most of the time in the Old Dominion. Apparently, my Scots-Irish ancestors arrived in Maryland sometime around 1750 and eventually ended up in hollers of what became West Virginia. My branch emerged from coal country in the 1950s. On the other hand some of my Texas forebears apparently arrived in central Texas from Bavaria sometime around 1900. And I admit it, I am very happy that my ancestors had the gumption and good sense to leave Old Europe for the New World.
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And I admit it, I am very happy that my ancestors had the
gumption and good sense to leave Old Europe for the New
World.
I agree, but I do wish my ancestors had stolen more stuff to pass
on to me besides just a country. Oh well.
Is this the place where we mention that, thanks to the involutary migration of many Africans to North America (slavery), their decendants live much better lives than the descendants of those who were not forcibly migrated?
The Terrance Malick film "The New World" about the Jamestown settlement was quite good.
"The New World" was a TERRIBLE movie--gorgeous cinematography, yes, but slow paced (until they get to England) and really bad history. Lots of soft-focus romping between Pocahontas and our boy John Smith. Didn't happen. Even my 11 year old niece was offended by how wrong they got it.
thanks to the involutary migration of many Africans to North
America (slavery),
Yeah, you'd think African Americans would be more grateful to the
white man for rescuing them from those nasty white men who were
colonizing Africa.
Hey, that's right--1607! I always forget these anniversaries until someone reminds me. The first representative assembly of the colonists in the New World was 1619, I believe.
"The whites totally kicked the ass of the Indians."
I think European *diseases* kicked the ass of the Indians.
I think European *diseases* kicked the ass of the
Indians.
Germ warfare kicked the ass of the Indians. The important thing to
remember is that they got their asses kicked. Iraqi insurgents need
to learn about the ass-kicking power of the USA and the other white
nations. Iran is next. Then Syria!
The Indians' problem is that they did not recognize until 400 years later that whites cannot resist wagering on games of chance, even when they are told that the games are rigged against them.
Mike L
I do not mean to excuse slavery. There is no way that the original
slaves should ever have been grateful. Nor should the slavers be
excused. But the fact remains that, because of their ancestors'
horrific and immoral suffering, their decendants grow up in a
country where there is no malaria, no contaminated water, no
endless tribal war, and the chance to become rich and
powerful.
The great-great-great-grandchildren of slaves have also benefited
from slavery. It's usually much better to be African-American than
African.
But no point. And no excuse for the initial crime.
I'm as white as they come but I'll bet my ancestors were at least surfs at some point, if not actual slaves. I'm just happy one of them stopped geting drunk long enough to immigrate here.
serfs
and ed, I'd be willing to bet you're a cousin within the 20th
degree to the Queen as well.
We're all descended from royals and slaves.
I dunno, Lichtberg. Is there where we mention that, thanks to the Holocaust, the descendants of European Jews who were displaced by the war and ended up in Israel live better lives than those who still live in Russia?
Except for geneticists, I think what's far more important than
tracing our blood descent is tracing out intellectual descent. This
may be where "memes" (I hate that over-used term) come in. I'm
pretty sure, e.g., that Thomas Jefferson is no relation of mine.
But I am definitely one of his "grandchildren." I think that my
combined admiration and disappointment for the Jamestown settlers
counts for more than any blood relation to them. I have inherited
some of their ambitions--without blood--and not inherited
some--again, without blood.
Ancestors who came willingly, ancestors who were already here,
ancestors who came most UNwillingly: whatever yours were according
to DNA, your true ancestors were those who believed things and did
things which you hope to imitate, surpass, and replicate in future
generations.
Serfs. Right. I doubt they did much surfing in the Scottish highlands.
joe
maybe. Isn't all of our history a tapestry? One errant thread may
create an inestimable work of art, accidentally.
The thread is still wrong, however wondrous the unintended result.
But is it wrong to love the finished carpet?
To return more closely to the subject...
We should, I suppose, despise the conquistadores. Yet, were it not
for them, there would be no Mexico.
The London Council forgot the part about lobbing the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
It is very possible to surf in Scotland. I do not recommend it unless you have steel balls, though.
And when ye Read of said London Council bee ye of the Mind that
one ought to Capitalise random Words and to Eschew the use of
Commas wherever possible.
May the Providence of Heaven guide you to Victory ouver the Indian
scourge.
- Josh
Or is this where we mention that those darn Indians took the
land from those apparent Western Europeans who found a way to get
to the Mississippi delta about 10,000 years ago?
CB
Or is this where we mention that those darn Indians took the
land from those apparent Western Europeans who found a way to get
to the Mississippi delta about 10,000 years ago?
Maybe they bought it with honest contracts.
their decendants grow up in a country where there is no
malaria, no contaminated water, no endless tribal war, and the
chance to become rich and powerful.
And I hope you understood my point was that Africa might be a
better place now if it hadn't been plundered by European
colonization. I'm going to assume you don't mean it this way, but
your comments could be taken as implying that when black people
aren't competent to run their own countries, so they're lucky to
live in a country run by white people.
Dr. Walter Williams, for one, has said many times that he is grateful his ancestors couldn't outrun the African slavers.
The people who died in the Middle Passage - estimates run from
30% on up - don't have descendants.
I wonder if any of those non-persons could have cured malaria and
built water systems.
Whoa, Mike L
You really need to re-read. I said nothing about what was done/is
being done to Africa.
And so it begins...as always...a deliberate misreading of what I wrote, and what others have written. I knew it would happen. White liberal guilt is soooo predictable.
joe
Shall we wonder about other things, too?
I wonder how many symphonies were not composed, how many diseases
not cured, how many problems of physics not solved, how many
machines not invented, how many ditches not dug, how many dying
people not comforted...
because the composers, doctors, physicists, inventors, laborors,
nurses, were aborted?
Huh? Huh?
If you want to engage in "what if?" then you should really start
with "what if Adam never bit the fruit?"
Your point is useless.
And I hope you understood my point was that Africa might be
a better place now if it hadn't been plundered by European
colonization.
At this point, I don't know if it was the plundering, so much as
the detritus of European thinking and governance that is the
problem.
Most of Africa's problems can be chalked up to the burdens of (1)
artificial states being run by Marxists kleptocrats and/or (2)
ethnic cleansing by Muslim maniacs.
If it makes you feel better to use the word "guilt" as a
talisman against thought, so be it. For my part, I'm going to stand
pat in my "slavery made the world a worse place" position.
If you don't want to engage in "What if...," sir, then you
shouldn't write "What if..." comments, as you did at 10:40.
RC,
Kleptocrats and genocidists don't come to power in societies that
haven't seen their populations ravaged.
I do not recall saying that slavery made the world a better
place, nor saying that it didn't make the world a worse
place.
I did not say Cortez made Central America a worse place, nor a
better place.
I merely suggested that, whatever is good about the place which now
exists is partly the result of the bad which came before.
Here is some of the good that came from the great evil of slavery:
Rice, King, Powell, Hughes, Douglass, Sowell, Berry.
I never claimed the end justifies the means, especially since the
ends are so far removed from the means. Yet it is wrong to deny the
good result. And again, "What if?" thinking really is rather
pointless.
I'm not sure what the point of this argument is. Men do bad things to each other. Always have, still do. Most of the good things about our society came from cultures that did evil--slavery, conquest, etc. I'd say worrying about the present and the future serve us better than trying to pass blame for past evils. Also, it's not like the victors or dominant in these clashes were all evil and the victims all good. Plenty of nasty business in our history to go around.
Pro Libertate
well said.
we should celebrate from the past what we take as good now, and I
believe, be forgiving of what we now deem bad if it was good or
neutral then.
The Terrance Malick film "The New World" about the Jamestown
settlement was quite good.
Yeah. I learned from it that Captain John Smith spoke with an Irish
accent.
And I hope you understood my point was that Africa might be
a better place now if it hadn't been plundered by European
colonization.
Right, as can be seen from the fact that Ethiopia, having avoided
colonialism, and Liberia, having been colonized by African
Americans rather than Europeans, are so much better off than the
rest of Africa.
Oh, wait. . .
Sorry, like I said, I didn't assume you were being racist. I
agree that engaging in "what ifs" is kinda pointless.
I'd say I'm more white, classically-liberal, empathetic than white
liberal guilty.
I believe Mussolini annexed Ethiopia into Italy in a very nasty war. That doesn't count as colonization?
Mike L
OK, good clarification. I guess what it comes down to is, wherever
you are today is equally a result of everything evil and everything
good in yours and everyone else's past.
I say it's best to trace our intellectual DNA, rather than the
actual DNA stuff.
And, on balance, the thing which happened 400 years ago (even
though it was a failure as I recall) was pretty good.
we should celebrate from the past what we take as good now,
and I believe, be forgiving of what we now deem bad if it was good
or neutral then.
Bailey didn't choose a very good quote for the celebration of
goodness. Especially not the 2007 celebration of goodness.
Yeah, you'd think African Americans would be more grateful to the white man for rescuing them from those nasty white men who were colonizing Africa.
The African slave trade was run by Muslim Arabs, not European
colonialists.
I believe Mussolini annexed Ethiopia into Italy in a very
nasty war. That doesn't count as colonization?
When Italian domination lasts for all of five years, during which
the Italians were able to accomplish roughly nothing (well, except
for abolishing slavery and building the country's first good system
of roads), no it really doesn't.
Kleptocrats and genocidists don't come to power in societies
that haven't seen their populations ravaged.
Oh, c'mon, joe. Exceptions abound, unless you count every society
that isn't a First World liberal democracy.
Nearly every damn country in the world is ruled by kleptocrats.
When has any Middle Eastern country had its population ravaged,
just to pick a continent at random? How about South America? Was
Cuba's population "ravaged" before Castro took power?
I'm not letting the West off the hook for the mess in Africa by any
means. Hell, I'm blaming the West for doing such a godawful job of
preparing the place for liberal democracy that it was fertile soil
for kleptocratic Marxist nutjobs.
during which the Italians were able to accomplish roughly
nothing
I suppose murder, mayhem, mustard gassing, and prison camps can't
really be counted as accomplishments.
I don't know about the aqueducts. Did the Italians build them, tear them down, swim in them?
I believe Mussolini annexed Ethiopia into Italy in a very nasty war. That doesn't count as colonization?
By that definition, Poland, Czechoslovakia and Austria would be
considered German colonies.
By that definition, Poland, Czechoslovakia and Austria would
be considered German colonies.
You're absolutely right. I should have said "plundered by Europe"
instead of "plundered by European colonization." The aspect of
colonization where the conquering country establishes settlements
in the conquered country isn't salient to the point I was
making.
Pro Libertate, I'm not following whatever you're saying about aqueducts. So, I'll just state that I am and always have been in favor of plumbing, unless it's harming the environment or something, in which case I think we need to study the problem.
Mike Laursen,
I apologize. Intermixed among my serious remarks are gratuitous
quotes from Life of Brian. Italians, Romans, what's the
difference?
And I hope you understood my point was that Africa might be
a better place now if it hadn't been plundered by European
colonization.
And I hope you understand, my point is that if you really believe
Africa have gotten its act together, if only the Europeans hadn't
invaded/colonized/whatever, then either you've never read any
history, or you're just a tad on the nut case side.
Or both.
Boy I tell ya, those Indians back 400 years ago were racists.
Every last one of them. Why, did you know that many of them were
not in favor of open borders and unlimited immigration? And they
expressed themselves about this, by firing arrows and jamming
spears into the bodies of European immigrants.
How many more bridges would have been built, and gold dug, and
industries erected, if not for all the Europeans that those Indians
killed.
Those damned Indians needed to learn a lesson, yessir. Somebody
should have told them how much better off they would have been, if
they had just been able to get over their simple, foolish racism,
and adopt an open door policy.
Oh wait....
In any case, I for one am very happy that the Indians were here, for without them we might not have the second amendment. Or it might never have survived as long as it has.
That letter they gave to the first colonists -- we better make sure the Mexicans coming over the border don't get to see that thing. They might start getting ideas.
African-Americans aren't grateful for the our ancestors were
enslaved.
What you are essentially arguing that it is right that we had to
pay a much steeper price to gain the same opportunities that whites
got for much less.
How on earth is that acceptable?
Oh and Walter Williams is an ass.
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