Jacob Sullum | August 9, 2006
A new ad campaign from the Partnership for a Drug-Free America insists that "drug addiction is a disease"—no, wait, it's actually worse than a disease, because when you have cancer or AIDS, at least people recognize that you're sick and in need of treatment, and they're sympathetic. In a TV spot and a series of print ads (links to the right of the news story), shirtless addicts of various ages, sexes, and colors cut the line in front of Stan Marsh's dad, declaring they'd be "better off" if they had a brain tumor, cancer, AIDS, or heart disease. I suspect people with brain tumors, cancer, AIDS, or heart disease would disagree.

The Houston Chronicle reports that the "Hope, Help, and Healing" campaign, which is about to go national after being test-marketed in Houston and Cincinnati, grew out of research finding that "the public has a denial or lack of understanding about addiction as a chronic but treatable illness." Or maybe the public just disagrees with the contention that excessive use of psychoactive substances is a disease. As Thomas Szasz observes, one hallmark of a true disease is that people are not constantly insisting that it really is a disease. To its credit, the Chronicle quotes Stanton Peele and other critics of the disease model (and the war on drugs), noting that "some groups skeptical of the addiction-as-a-disease paradigm worry the partnership's message uses pseudoscience to oversimplify the complexities of drug use and addiction."
Leaving aside the scientific, conceptual, and moral issues, I'm not convinced that viewing addiction as a disease leads to less oppressive policies, as opposed to giving the war on drugs a kinder, gentler veneer by calling coercive re-education treatment instead of punishment. But let's take the Partnership for a Drug-Free America at its word: Addiction is a disease just like cancer or AIDS. Do police arrest people for having cancer or AIDS? Do doctors treat people for cancer or AIDS against their will? Are people with cancer or AIDS disqualified from various professions because the government refuses to license them? Until the partnership's prohibitionist propagandists start taking on these policies, I can't even give them credit for believing their own bullshit.
[via Luke Wilson at Rehabology]
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Do doctors treat people for cancer or AIDS against their
will?
What about that Starchild kid?
Do doctors treat people for cancer or AIDS against their
will?
What about that Starchild kid?
Does anyone think that these increasingly far out marketing
strategies for the WoD mean the drug warriors are afraid their
popular support is shrinking?
Or am I being too hopeful?
I hate the way the drug warriors always end up making war on
personal responsibility. No one chooses to get AIDs or cancer or
any other horrible disease. Suffering from those diseases is a
tragedy in every sense of the word. No one makes anyone do drugs.
Drug addicts choose to start and could choose to get treatment and
quit if they want. Drug addiction may be a tragedy for the families
and friends of the people affected by it, but it is not a tragedy
for the addicts themselves. They made the choices that put them
where they are.
If people want to get serious about legalizing drugs, then need to
stand up for personal responsibility. The whole poor addict
argument just feeds into the arguments for criminalization. If
these people can't help themselves but be addicted, why on earth
would we want to legalize the stuff and how can we not put the
dealers away forever? That is where treating addicts as victims
leads. If the argument is however that drug addicts have chosen to
be where they are and are not victims of anything or anyone but
their own poor choices, then you left wondering why the hell we are
spending billions of dollars to jail people just to save them from
themselves.
If anything libertarians ought to hate addicts. It is because of
their dumb asses and irresponsible behavior that the rest of us
have to pay for the drug war and are deprived of the opportunity to
use drugs legally and responsibly. I really believe that the first
step towards legalizing drugs is to stop portraying addicts as
victims.
Jacob: Ad to the list or extend the licensing analogy - Does the State deny benefits (Pell Grants, Student Loans, etc.) based on secondary or tertiary symptoms of HIV/Aids et al. Just being arrested (or maybe convicted) of even a misdemeanor is enough to now for the State (Fed a/o states) to deny benefits it routinely grants to "worthy" citizens.
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The above is not to be construed as support for goverment programs, just to point out the logical inconsitencies in State sponsored benefits programs.
"the public has a denial or lack of understanding about
addiction as a chronic but treatable illness." Or maybe the public
just disagrees with the contention that excessive use of
psychoactive substances is a disease. As Thomas Szasz observes, one
hallmark of a true disease is that people are not constantly
insisting that it really is a disease.
QFT!
John,
I don't understand how anyone can view alcoholics as anything but
despicable. (It's possible to feel pity for them, too, but it needs
to be said that any pity should arise from the fact that they are
choosing to make poor choices, for whatever reason -- much the same
way someone can feel pity for someone who commits suicide -- and
not from some so-called "disease" . Moreover, people with bad
habits should be free to ignore any pity that other people have for
them and destroy themselves as they see fit -- except without the
support of taxpayer money.
I actually think the Partnership for a Drug Free America is fighting a rearguard action against changing opinions and moods about marijuana in particular. The latest commercials are now going on and on about how, "Well, yeah, okay, marijuana isn't DANGEROUS, but, um, see, it's just bad, because, you'll just sit around and do nothing!" Clearly, the health-risk issue has been swept aside, and now it's all about how demotivated you'll get. In my mind, this is an indicator that they're losing. People just don't think marijuana is that big of a deal. As for the rest, well, we've got a ways to go still.
You know, I have a lot of sympathy for addicts who are trying to
resolve their problems, and if they want to call it a disease,
fine, call it a disease. Whatever.
But it's the only disease I'm aware of that you can treat by going
to meetings. This makes it hard for me to cry a river for the
people who insist that it's a disease and it isn't their fault. All
of the other diseases require medications, surgery, radiation,
physical therapy, and other things that run the risk of side
effects.
Well, I guess that injury from secondhand smoke is a possible side
effect of going to 12 step meetings.
I hate the way the drug warriors always end up making war on
personal responsibility. No one chooses to get AIDs or cancer or
any other horrible disease
Couldn't an argument be made that people who got AIDS from
unprotected sex and people who got cancer from smoking or choosing
to work in an asbestos plant qualify for :
"They made the choices that put them where they are."
Should we not treat them as having a disease or requiring treatment
either, by your logic?
I'm all for personal responsibility, but that doesn't mean that
everyone who chose to do something and then becomes addicted
doesn't deserve treatement and help or is merely a victim if
his/her own choices.
Some people get addicted, some people don't (hey -- look at that it
is like a disease). Some people get cancer some don't.
To pretend that it is simply an issue of personal choices is a bit
naive isn't it?
Using drugs isn't the "disease" -- the addiction is -- whether its
addiction to sex, chocolate, cigs, alcohol, drugs or television --
and it is a health problem that people should get treated
for.
I don't see a problem with treat drug addiction as a disease. I do
have a problem with labeling it a disease and then throwing people
with that disease in jail for it.
As Mitch Hedberg said, alcoholism is a disease but it's the only one you can get yelled at for having.
Chicago Tom,
If it is a disease, perhaps that justifies not putting users in
jail. But, it being a disease makes a pretty strong case that drugs
should be illegal and that dealers should go to jail. If people
can't help themselves but get addicted, how can we allow
unscrupulous people to get rich by feeding their addiction and how
can we do anything but make drugs less available in society?
There is something one can do to treat one's own addiction. If
that addiction is based on a physical dependence (emotional issues
aside). That is to quit ingesting the addictive substance, go
through the withdrawal and remain abstinent for the rest of your
life.
I imagine many cancer and AIDS patients would love to have that
course as an option, no matter how difficult it is.
thoreau,
Well, by that standard, some mental illnesses are not diseases
either, since not all of them respond to physical treatment. Of
course, Szasz would respond, "Exactly!"
Thoreau,
I recently ran across an old friend who told me that even most AA
meetings are non-smoking now.
Truly, we are seeing the end of an era (or error).
And it goes without saying that anyone who wishes they had a brain tumor instead of a drug addiction must be smoking crack. Err...you know what I mean.
thoreau,
Do the meetings actually cure the disease, or do they help the
person cope with it? Ie. they may still be addicted (diseased?) but
not use.
Crimethink,
I've said it many times before, thumb through the DSM-4 and you'll
come away with a whole list of mental illnesses you never even knew
you had. There is something for everyone in there.
I will say, however, that there are some people who are truly "ill"
mentally. I work in MH and I see them every now and then. They need
help, badly.
Still, a large number of the people we see have no real physical
problems that I can see beyond the consequences of a lifetime of
poor choices.
mk,
So long as they still serve coffee every night and cake on
"birthdays" I'm in.
kohlrabi,
You got it. The meetings themselves are a kind of group therapy/pat
on the back/ keep your chin up affair. AA is basically an
abstinence support group.
Addiction isn't considered curable in that environment.
If it is a disease, perhaps that justifies not putting users
in jail. But, it being a disease makes a pretty strong case that
drugs should be illegal and that dealers should go to jail. If
people can't help themselves but get addicted, how can we allow
unscrupulous people to get rich by nfeeding their addiction and how
can we do anything but make drugs less available in
society?
Well we do it with alchol and society seems to have survived,
no?
Also, I dunno what "it" is in your mind in the sentence "it being a
disease makes a pretty strong case that drugs should be illegal ad
that dealers should go to jail" In my view "addiction" is the
disease, drugs themselves are not a disease...so I don't
particularly see how it follows that dealers should be in jail and
drugs criminalized.
Unless of course you are staking out the position that anything
that has potential addictive properties should be illegal
(gambling, drinking, smoking, etc)
If people can't help themselves but get addicted, how can we
allow unscrupulous people to get rich by nfeeding their addiction
and how can we do anything but make drugs less available in
society?
That's a joke right? In this case I really dunno if you are being
sarcastic. I assume you are, because I doubt you would state that
with a straight face, but I can't really tell in the context of
these last few posts.
One has to wonder why surefire pills haven't been invented to
block the physical desire for whatever addiction one has. As far as
I'm aware, the only physical therapies for drug addiction involve a
substitute drug or highly regulated doses of the target drug.
In my own experience, there is no doubt that I'm physically
addicted to nicotine, but I find the "psychological addiction" much
nastier to deal with. For example, if I'm in a siutation where I
can't smoke for a protracted period of time, I may suffer from
occasional nicotine pangs, but it's never really an issue. In
certain cases I've gone days without smoking with no real ill
effects. But put me in a situation where I can smoke freely and I
will, especially if alcohol or coffee is involved. In short, there
is absolutely a "disease" component, but it's minor compared to my
free choice to smoke. Ultimately, I smoke because I want to and
that's that.
Fuck these assholes! A friend of mine just found out he has a brain tumor. It's just about the scariest thing a person can be diagnosed with. The doctors might be able to buy him some time with some very nasty treatments, but he could end up as a vegetable.
I am only being half sarcastic. I don't believe addiction is a
disease for even a moment. That said, if you take it as a disease,
meaning people cannot help but be addicted if they are exposed to
drugs, how on earth can you justify their legalization? You say
that addiction not drugs is the disease. Put into another context,
if sold a product that was gaurenteed to give a high percentage,
say 25% of the people who used it terminal cancer, wouldn't their
be a pretty good argument to make my product illegal? I think there
would be and don't see any reason why drugs, if addiction truly is
a disease, should be any different.
To put it bluntly, I don't see how you can be a whinny assed do
gooder concerned about addicts who can't help themselves and still
be for the legalization of drugs.
I am only being half sarcastic. I don't believe addiction is a
disease for even a moment. That said, if you take it as a disease,
meaning people cannot help but be addicted if they are exposed to
drugs, how on earth can you justify their legalization? You say
that addiction not drugs is the disease. Put into another context,
if sold a product that was gaurenteed to give a high percentage,
say 25% of the people who used it terminal cancer, wouldn't there
be a pretty good argument to make my product illegal? I think there
would be and don't see any reason why drugs, if addiction truly is
a disease, should be any different.
To put it bluntly, I don't see how you can be a whinny assed do
gooder concerned about addicts who can't help themselves and still
be for the legalization of drugs.
Put into another context, if sold a product that was
gaurenteed to give a high percentage, say 25% of the people who
used it terminal cancer, wouldn't there be a pretty good argument
to make my product illegal? I think there would be and don't see
any reason why drugs, if addiction truly is a disease, should be
any different.
There might (like banning the use of lead based paint) -- but in
the context of personal choices people are allowed to make for
themselves, I don't believe so, but based on your position I should
assume you are in favor of banning cigs then, yes?
To put it bluntly, I don't see how you can be a whinny assed do
gooder concerned about addicts who can't help themselves and still
be for the legalization of drugs.
John, I just don't see how these two are mutually exclusive.
Just because some people get addicted, that doesn't mean that
everyone who has the ability to use it responsibly should be
forbidden from doing so. You agree with this, no?
And of those who do get addicted, they should be treated as a
health problem instead of incarcerated as criminals or
scufflaws.
It actually works rather well.
(And it's nice to see that anyone who has concern for the health of
addicts is labeled a "whiny ass do gooder" --- who is whining here
John? I want people to live free and be treated like responsible
individuals with a health problem -- and you want people jailed and
their choices taken away from them -- you are the worst of both
worlds...a statist and a moralist)
There are a large number of people who will have a terrible
reaction to peanuts if they come into contact with them. They don't
have any control over that apparently (I personally, am allergic to
nothing so I can't speak from experience). Still, one can get
peanuts "over-the-counter" at practically every grocery store. Some
companies even market it to children!
Still, I would venture that most people with allergies don't
necessarily think that other people shouldn't be able to have the
occasional PB&J.
kohlrabi has a point: They may still "have" the disease, but
meetings can sure help them control it. You can't say the same for
cancer.
If it is a disease, what kind of disease is it? Well, if one leaves
open the possibility that not every instance of recreational use
leads to physical addiction, then we could almost think of
addiction as a type of allergy (figuratively speaking, not
literally, since there is no immune response): Some people might be
more susceptible than others with regard to certain substances. The
people with the disease would be the ones who get physically
addicted after consuming even small quantities of a substance,
while the people without the disease either don't get addicted or
require larger doses to get addicted.
I don't know if the response to certain drugs is really so
heterogeneous over the population that we can really call different
responses evidence of a "disease." If, for the sake of argument,
there are people with an anomalously low threshold for physical
addiction (as manifested by severe withdrawal symptoms when they no
longer get the drug) then one would be led to two
conclusions:
1) For some people, responsible use is indeed possible.
2) Irresponsible users are sick patients, not felons.
I'm not sure that the people who want to call it a disease really
want to go down that road and reach those conclusions.
As for me, being from a family with some current and former
substance abusers, I'm happy to nod my head when they call it a
disease, but call bullshit when they equate their disease with
cancer. To the extent that it can be considered a disease, it is
more like an allergy than a cancer.
To the extent that it can be considered a disease, it is
more like an allergy than a cancer
Just curious....in your mind, what is the difference between a drug
addict and a cig smoker getting lung cancer?
Why would the latter be considered a legitimate disease and not the
former? In both instances poor choices the person made caused the
consequences. Or are certain types of cancer a disease and others
not so much?
It's not that I disagree -- I agree with a lot of your post. I just
have a hard time seeing where the line is and what qualifies
something to be on one side or the other of that line. It can't be
just personal choice -- heart disease is a disease and although
there is a hereditary aspect to it, personal choices play a very
important role as well (diet and excersize). Alcholism also has a
hereditary aspect as well, no?
Addiction is never a disease. Compulsion is the issue. Many/most people are weak and fail to control their urges. An addict wants to act like he CANNOT control himself, but of course he can, he just chooses not to. If you don't want to do something, and you find yourself doing it anyway, it's easy to excuse the choice by saying you are addicted. But you still made a clear choice. Weakness is the problem. Weakness is simply a characteristic, not a disease.
IMO, there is no difference between a person who abuses drugs or
alcohol, one who overeats to extreme obesity or undereats to
anorexia, one who gambles until broke, one who runs up thousands of
dollars on their credit card, promiscuity, masturbating five times
a day, or any number of other extreme behaviors. I don't think that
any of those are diseases at all. Instead, they simply indicate
that the afflicted is not well-equipped to deal with the stress,
resposniblities, or bad news that many others are more capable of
taking in-stride.
Note that, in moderation, there really isn't anything inherently
wrong with any of the actual addictions (legality aside)
but, rather, it is the degree of excess of the addictive behaviors
that creates the problem. It's the inability to take care of
everyday life things - going to work and doing your job
enthusiastically, communicating effectively with spouses and
children, paying attention while behind the wheel, demonstrating
respect for others in speech and behavior - that characterize the
negativity of these so-called addictions. I suspect that that
weakness could result from something innate (like a chemical
imbalance) or external (say, child abuse), most likely, some
combination of each.
In the end, if you're addicted to anything, you're capable of being
addicted to everything. You just haven't tried everything
yet...
Chicago Tom-
I'm not saying it isn't a disease. I'm saying that it's a disease
that can be managed purely by willpower, which is more than we can
say for cancer.
The lung cancer probably could have been prevented with
willpower, but once you get it you can't just will yourself to get
better.
One thing that I think complicates this is that some people are
assuming the word "disease" means "no more personal
responsibility." It needn't be that way. To me, calling something a
disease means that it is a problem with a biological component.
That's it. That's different from assuming that "disease" is a "get
out of responsibility free" card.
To put it in perspective, I'm sure we've all got at least one
relative with an impressive list of ailments that constitute an
excuse for everything under the sun. And, indeed, the impressive
list of ailments may mean that it wouldn't be fair to expect this
person to, say, fix the roof. But if that person tries to put too
many burdens on everybody else, well, there's no dishonor in
calling BS.
(That's not to say that calling BS would be a wise idea, of course.
Doing so might be bad for your own health.)
If you don't want to do something, and you find yourself
doing it anyway, it's easy to excuse the choice by saying you are
addicted.
So then all the heroin users who go through withdrawl just aren't
mentally strong enough?
Not that there aren't people who are weak and excuse their bad
bahavior, but to paint with such a broad stroke basically denies
the existence of physical addiction and withdrawl which have
symptoms that are both tangible and recognizable.
If I found out I had a brain tumor, I might start an alcohol
habit.
If that addiction is based on a physical dependence (emotional
issues aside).
IMO, most of the reason addiction is called a disease is to
avoid dealing with emotional issues. Emotional problems
are an even bigger target of stigmatization than having a disease.
Even labeling things "poor choices" is a way to weasel out of
empathy. Pitying someone's poor choices probably does nothing but
encourage the poor choices to continue.
It might also be that some people have a disease, and need to be
treated, and some just need to make more responsible choices. My
dad was an alcoholic for many years, and AA (or rather Overcomers
Outreach, a specifically Christian version of AA) helped him to
clean up. But I don't think he has a disease. He does,
because that's the only way that AA allows alcoholism to be
treated. I think that if dad were to drink, but not get drunk (or
at least not get drunk often), he'd be okay. He doesn't have a
disease, though not drinking is certainly better than when his
behavior before he quit.
But there are also people who do have a disease, who can't
quit without help, and who will never be completely well. It sure
as hell isn't the same as cancer or AIDS, but it might be the same
as, say, being bipolar or OCD. You can't help the behavior, and it
affects your life negatively, but there are treatments to help you.
Disease probably isn't the best word for it, but it's what we have
to work with.
And none of this means that legalization isn't the answer to the
problems posed. John, you asked how if you view addiction as a
disease you can be for legalization. Well, for one thing, you might
be aware that prohibition isn't working. If the
justification for the WOD is the protection of addicts . . . well,
it's failed. Considering all the other side effects of prohibition
(the loss of civil rights, the destruction of inner cities, the
militarization of police forces in the US, etc.), and considering
that the response of prohibition is to lock up those considered
sick (or force them into unhelpful rehab programs), then there
seems to me to be no real alternative to legalization. In this
case, the "cure" is worse than the disease. So that's at least one
way that you can be for legalization while still viewing addiction
(or some cases of it, at least) as a disease.
I see your point Russ, but I was simply trying to isolate the
physical side of the addiction equation, cellular adaptation and
all that.
There are substances that, if abused, cause substantial
physiological changes in a person. A late stage alcoholic will have
wrecked his digestive system so much that they have a hard time
digesting normal food. Things like that.
thoreau,
I agree that in general, some diseases are more serious than
others. (Like cancer) But I dunno if I agree with :
I'm saying that it's a disease that can be managed purely by
willpower
Most drug addicts go through a physical withdrawl and get
physically sick. Many times sheer willpower is not enough. Look at
smoking. How many people have failed to quit? Is it merely a lack
of will power? There seems to be a lucrative market of products
designed to help people stop smoking in various ways. Different
people tend to have difference success rates with differnt
products.
That leads me to believe that there is something more than merely
willpower that will dictate whether or not one will successfully
quit.
I used to smoke, but I quit cold turkey -- I never got nicotene
headaches (withdrawl symptom)....but others have. Wouldn't that
imply a physical component to the addiction in some people??
The fact that some people get addicted and others don't lead me to
believe that there must be some physiological components that makes
one more suseptible to addiction to certain substances than
others.
To me, calling something a disease means that it is a problem
with a biological component
And I believe that there is definately a biological component to
drug addiction (as well as cigs and alcohol).
In my opinion, the fact that some people get addicted and others
don't among people with similar sociio-economic environments leads
me to believe that addiction is definately something that occurs in
similar patterns like cancer or Down Syndrome, or many other
diseases diseases who seem to occur rather randomly or by
chance.
One thing that I think complicates this is that some people are
assuming the word "disease" means "no more personal
responsibility."
I don't think calling something a disease removes personal
responsibility -- but it does mitigate it somewhat. People who are
diagnosed with something definately have a personal responsibility
to change their lifestyles once diagnosed (diabetics have to change
their diet etc) but before you are diagnosed -- is it really all
your fault?
And how does one diagnose addiction? The only way to diagnose it is
after the fact -- once you've gotten addicted. Granted you made the
choice -- but if you made it thinking you could use it responsibly
and you realize that you are addicted...On the other hand, once
you've recognized yourself as an addict, I believe you do have a
responsibility to try and clean up.
Alcohol, once digested, becomes something that is metabolised in
the same way that corn syrup is.
See, it all comes down to the corn syrup.
Addiction is never a disease. Compulsion is the issue.
Many/most people are weak and fail to control their urges. An
addict wants to act like he CANNOT control himself, but of course
he can, he just chooses not to. If you don't want to do something,
and you find yourself doing it anyway, it's easy to excuse the
choice by saying you are addicted. But you still made a clear
choice. Weakness is the problem. Weakness is simply a
characteristic, not a disease.
And how, exactly, are you supposed to develop that willpower from
nothing at age forty or fifty? To say that it's weakness is just
begging the question. How do you get rid of that weakness? It's
easy to criticize from the sidelines, when you're the kind of
person who has (or has developed) that kind of discipline. You
might realize that the problem is that you're making the wrong
choices, but when you've tried time and again to stop making those
choices and failed, is the answer to just keep on trying again and
again? There's something to be said for persistence, but . . .
well, Dr. Phil isn't wrong when he says that insanity is doing the
same thing over and over again and expecting different
results.
The question is how to help those people to make good decisions. If
it were as simple as just making good decisions, if it were
actually in their power to choose wisely instead of poorly, it
would already have been done. It's hard, even if it is
your own fault. I can say, "I'm responsible for starting using, but
I cannot, of my own volition, stop using what I'm addicted to. Help
me." That's taking responsibility for my own decisions. Disclaiming
responsibility for having started would be victimization.
Admitting you victimized yourself is rosponsibility.
John, you can also be in favor of legalization from a harm reduction perspective. A product that kills 25% of users is bad, but a government policy that kills 50% of users is worse.
"...masturbating five times a day, or any number of other
extreme behaviors."
Five? I think you meant fifty.
Five - ha ha ha...
People who are diagnosed with something definately have a
personal responsibility to change their lifestyles once diagnosed
(diabetics have to change their diet etc) but before you are
diagnosed -- is it really all your fault?
What about people with a predisposition to certain behaviors and/or
a family history of a problem/disease? If a person is aware of this
predisposition and/or history, aren't they guilty of ignoring these
facts?
If it were as simple as just making good decisions, if it were
actually in their power to choose wisely instead of poorly, it
would already have been done. It's hard, even if it is your own
fault.
It is as simple as making good decisions. Yes, it is hard. Life is
hard. Then again, I don't want to pay for others' lack of
discretion.
The question is how to help those people to make good
decisions.
Good parenting is a good start.
Not that I will sway any here, but I think those who oppose the
description of addiction as a disease do not have a very
sophisticated sense of the meaning of the word or the
attribution.
From American Heritage: Disease--
"A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an
organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic
defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an
identifiable group of signs or symptoms."
Some of the reasons stated above for why addiction is not a disease
fit with one or many of the features included in this
definition.
Those who drink to excess due to stress in a way that makes them
identifiable based on that behavior can be said to have a disease
in their behavioral-cognitive (decision making) system, for
instance. If that definition can be agreed upon between people
reliably, it can be used to determine why these people differ from
others in this meaningful way.
A recent review of the issue:
"Over the last several years, considerable evidence has accumulated
on the reliability and validity of modern definitions of alcohol
dependence and abuse/harmful use. The evidence comes from studies
conducted in clinical samples, general population samples, and
samples of participants and their relatives in genetics studies,
and not only from U.S. samples but also from samples assessed in
many countries around the world. The evidence is very consistent
regarding the classification of alcohol dependence (Hasin et al.
2003). This diagnosis, as represented in DSM�III�R, DSM�IV, and
ICD�10, has consistently been shown to be reliable and valid. Based
on the evidence, investigators can use this category in their
research with a high degree of confidence."
Indeed, alcoholism as a disease category is more reliable than many
conditions that would be slam-dunks as diseases in most
discussions
Autism stands out as one to consider.
Once you get past an idea that a disease is something you can treat
with a pill, then the definiton makes sense.
This argument is silly because it focuses debate on the wrong question. Regardless of whether addiction is a disease or a poor lifestyle choice, incarceration does more harm than good.
wonder why surefire pills haven't been invented to block the
physical desire for whatever addiction one has
Coming soon. Rimonabant, to be marketed by the makers of Ambien as
'Acomplia', has been through testing as a diet drug with a unique
mode of action. The smart money says that it will be prescribed
'off-label' for all sorts of addictive behaviors.
You read it here first. Um, unless you read it somewhere else
already.
http://www.rational.org/
........................................that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
smacky,
Good parenting is a good start.
I tend to agree with that, but it's so simple it is too often
ignored. If good parenting is a good start, then bad parenting is
logically an enabler of self-destructive behavior.
But some people (not me) consider bad parenting an excuse. If that
denail isn't enough of a roadblock, there are enough people who DO
consider bad parenting an enabler that insist on taking useless,
extreme measures to combat bad parenting - like fomenting hatred of
bad parents (rather than trying to simply understand them) or
Children's Health advocates looking to prosecute, fine, and
incarcerate parents for relatively benign transgressions like
smoking in the house or letting the kid take a candy bar to
school.
It is as simple as making good decisions. Yes, it is hard.
Life is hard. Then again, I don't want to pay for others' lack of
discretion.
Well, yeah. But what's wrong with people asking for help with
getting themselves out of their own bad decisions? I'm not
suggesting that treatment be paid for out of the public purse, just
that saying that addiction is a disease isn't entirely wrong.
Again, it's easy to criticize others for bad choices when you
yourself have been largely able to avoid those bad choices; but
when you've made bad decisions your entire life, that's all you
have practice with. You make good decisions by making good
decisions, and learning how to avoid the seduction of taking the
easy way out. But that's easier said than done. Sometimes people
need help to make that first good decision, and there's nothing
wrong with giving them help to do so, if they ask for it.
Look, there seems to be the same trap here that people often fall
into. It's either "addiction is a disease, and addicts are
victims," or "addiction is a choice, and addicts are weak and
stupid." Maybe both are wrong, and the truth lies somewhere in
between. I'm arguing that addicts aren't weak and stupid, they're
just trapped in a cycle of bad choices. Granted that that cycle of
bad choices was put into place by their own decision; when they
want out, do we refuse help and tell them to lie in the bed they
made? Or maybe, just maybe, we can realize that everyone has their
own demons to face, and this is theirs, and give them help. We
don't have to absolve them of responsibility for their
choices.
People are largely (if not entirely) products of their genes and
environment. If I have never been taught to exercise my willpower
in such a way as to overcome my weaknesses, how do I learn late in
life? It's doable, and some people can even do it on their own,
with no one else's help. But that doesn't mean that every
person will be able to, nor does it mean that they should.
If people can quit on their own, with no external help, more power
to them. But if they can't, what are they supposed to
do?
Good parenting is a good start.
Yeah, no shit. Doesn't do me much good if I'm a fifty-year-old
addict to tell me that my parents should have done a better job.
Well, obviously. But, again, where do I go from here? The
answer to a plea for help isn't, "You shouldn't have gotten
yourself into this mess." Again, no shit. But I can't exactly
change the past. All I can do is start from where I am now.
Okay, here's an analogy. Say that I find that I need to lift a
two-hundred-pound weight off of my legs, through my own choices. I
find that I can't do it. If I ask you to help me, is the best
response really, "You should have been working out"? Well, maybe I
should have, but I didn't. Now I kind of need your help. Now, if
time and again, you find me in the same situation, and I have never
developed the strength to lift the weight, it's becoming apparent
that it's a character flaw. And sometimes people just need to be
left under the weight. But, if after helping me lift the weight, I
ask for help in not getting in that situation again . . . is that
weakness? I don't know how to not get in that situation to begin
with, so I want help from someone who does know. That's
just common sense.
Okay, here's an analogy. Say that I find that I need to lift
a two-hundred-pound weight off of my legs, through my own choices.
I find that I can't do it. If I ask you to help me, is the best
response really, "You should have been working out"? Well, maybe I
should have, but I didn't. Now I kind of need your help.
That's a very poor analogy. Drinking and drug problems aren't
comparable to a two-hundred pound weight on your legs. A better
comparison would be you adding one-pound weights on to your legs
eventually until it starts to hurt, and then continuing to place
one-pound weights onto the pile that is already there, and asking
other people to "help" you figure out how to get the painful mass
of weight off of your legs as you continue to add one-pound weights
onto yourself.
But, if after helping me lift the weight, I ask for help in not
getting in that situation again . . . is that weakness? I don't
know how to not get in that situation to begin with, so I want help
from someone who does know. That's just common sense.
Yes, it is character weakness at the very least. If someone can't
figure out to slowly and incrementally put down the
cigarettes/alcohol/drugs, they are dumber than the bag of crack
rocks they are holding, and it ceases to be my problem. You can
only tell a person so many ways. I see how voluntary support groups
might be helpful, though, to people who are lacking a real-life
social net of concerned friends/family, and I think they are a
positive step.
"And how, exactly, are you supposed to develop that willpower
from nothing at age forty or fifty?"
Ummm . . . by not going out and buying, and then using, drugs?
"One has to wonder why surefire pills haven't been invented to
block the physical desire for whatever addiction one has."
When treatments are discovered that do that in animals, their mode
of action turns out to be one of the following:
(1) Make the animal stupid or confused, so the animal has trouble
learning what it likes, or learning how to get it.
(2) Decrease the animal's motivation to do anything. The animal is
either so euphoric it has no further desires, or so dysphoric it
despairs of acting on any desires -- hard to tell.
"To put it bluntly, I don't see how you can be a whinny assed do
gooder concerned about addicts who can't help themselves and still
be for the legalization of drugs."
You can't. The best the whiny assed do gooders can do is to opine
that addicts not be punished, but they certainly aren't for
allowing drugs to be sold to potential addicts.
Robert
If it is a disease, perhaps that justifies not putting users
in jail. But, it being a disease makes a pretty strong case that
drugs should be illegal and that dealers should go to jail. If
people can't help themselves but get addicted, how can we allow
unscrupulous people to get rich by feeding their addiction and how
can we do anything but make drugs less available in
society?
Ah the conundrum of prohibition. This logic, which at first seems
quite reasonable, is exactly the opposite of what should be
done.
That last thing you want to do with someone who is chemically
addicted is to make them desperate for sources of relief.
The prohibition of addictive substances makes them quite expensive
(which drug warriors perversely like to crow about), thus rewarding
those who are willing to disobey the law to make a profit.
Drug prohibition, like most government policies produces perverse
results.
Why no comment on the image?
If it had been cropped lower, would it have been a "costume
malfunction"?
I mean, is the image supposed to be Janet Jackson "after
drugs"?
Drugs don't make one ugly, after all.
Look at the ongoing "comeback" of Kate Moss.
My mother died in 1998 from a brain tumor. It was a slow, messy
process; the worst part was watching her gradually lose control of
her ability to think and communicate.
So go ahead, you richard-cranial types over at the ONDCP: ask me if
I think that strung-out chick in the PSA would be better off with a
brain tumor.
Go ahead, ask me.
Is "addiction" a disease or is just a "poor choice" by the
irresponsible and weak willed, as some of you doubtless shining
models of probity who have offered your smug condesention?
("Good parenting". Yeah, why didn't I think of that?!! /slaps
head/. Like no kids with good parents ever went bad...guess that
prodigal son stuff is just a bible story.)
Or is "addicition", rather, a dessert topping or floor wax or a
meaningless bumper sticker slogan, an Oprah & Dr. Phil made up
pop-psych thing, or a cleverly made up authoritarian thought crime,
like some Soviet dissident imprisoned as a mental patient because
he couldn't make it as a normal Comrade Getalong in the "worker's
paradise" ?
Perhaps the real issue is Prohibition. End prohibition and you
wouldn't have this argument anymore. Just like any third world
drugstore, like Mexico when the cruise ships dock, you can go into
a pharmacia and get your percocets you crave without doctor
shopping and the government nanny state of the USSA. Without
sending your maid out to the parking lot, like "addict" Rush
Limbaugh, poster child of conservativism.
You "conservatives/libertarians" who have posted about "personal
responsibility" here are really confused. Real personal
responsibiity is you use what ever drugs you want and are
responsible for what you do. Fake responsibility is the government
telling you can't use such drugs at all...it's not a matter of your
choice...because you will get "addicted" and get a "disease" which
will cause us to imprison you, ruin your future employability as a
felon, and take your property. Hmmmmm.
What is wrong with the prohibitionists? Comparing a genuine life
threatening disease (cancer, heart disease, etc) to a problem
largely created by thier own policies is outright absurd and IMHO
certifiably insane. I lost my wife after a 2 year struggle with
heart disease. She would've gladly traded her problem with someone
that happens to use drugs.
Her condition was ultimately fatal, a drug user can choose to quit
or not. The stigma from the prohibs policies is the reason that
people have to hide their drug use. The growth of the drug testing
industrial complex is proof that most drug users are pretty normal
people and are pretty good at managing thier drug use and lives. If
drug use was immediately recognizable, then drug testing would not
be neccessary.
That's right! That's what the prohibs want you to think, that all
responsible use is abuse and all users are addicts, diseased filthy
addicts. More insanity.
If addiction is something over which an untreated addict has no
control, it isn't wise to criminalize drug use. I've proposed what
ought to be done with drunk or stoned lawbreakers on a
previous H&R topic. Drug users who don't break
other laws ought to be left unmolested.
I don't know if the disease model is the best description for
addiction. There is a physiological component, as it has been shown
that some people have genetic markers that identify them as more
prone to, say, alcoholism. Trouble is, I don't think there is a
dependable test one can take to warn you about that. When people
start drinking at 21 (or 18, or younger) they don't know if they
will be doomed to alcoholism, or not. Joe College can indulge in
the worst sort of frat-boy behavior such as binge drinking to the
vomit-point, but later in life moderate his behavior and be a
never-more-than-two-beers kind of guy for the rest of his life. His
old college roomie Jack may find, when time comes to straighten up
and fly right, that he "can't." These two guys react to alcohol
differently, and that is partially down to physical difference, so
if it's not a disease it is at least a "condition."
There's also supposed to be a psychological component to addiction.
Joe may not have the "addictive personality" that Jack has.
Counseling and/or support groups may be a perfectly sane response
to a psychological problem.
I don't trust my general knowledge of these elements when applied
to the other, illegal, drugs. There is so much propaganda and spin
- One hit of crack and you can be addicted! - that I have
several bags of salt ready when I read about the subject.
As several commenters with harsh personal experience have noted,
ONDCP is rude and cruel to analogize addiction to less avoidable
and more immediately fatal diseases.
Kevin
I always dress warmly-- you know, for the weather-- that way I won't catch Alcoholism.
But seriously:
I lost my wife after a 2 year struggle with heart disease. She
would've gladly traded her problem with someone that happens to use
drugs.
I'm sorry to hear that, cliff, and that about sums it up. I'll
trade a brain tumor for a coke addiction any day of the week. I can
beat the coke addiction.
A better comparison would be you adding one-pound weights on
to your legs eventually until it starts to hurt, and then
continuing to place one-pound weights onto the pile that is already
there[...]
Yeah, and while everyone around you keeps telling you "quit putting
those goddamned wieghts on your leg because eventually, you won't
be able to get up".
Sorry, peeps, but addiction is not waking up one
morning with a 200lb weight on your leg. It's a process of choices
and actions and consequences stemming from choice and action that
gets you there.
We can debate how much, when and if addicts get help, but you
didn't 'catch' your addiction. Oh, and I can tell you from
experience that society is overflowing with help for addicts. It's
just that addicts are what's known as a generally 'uncooperative'
group. Often times they have to hit rock bottom before they're
ready to accept help.
To take the 200lb analogy further, it's like what smacky says, you
keep putting one pound weights on your legs-- and then when you
have 150 pounds and you're offered help, you say "fuck off" and
continue putting weight on your legs. Then at 175lbs, you're
offered help again (probably by a social worker in an emergency
room that you're in because of an abcess or some such thing) and
you say "fuck off" and leave A.M.A. Then at 200lbs you ask for help
again, and when you're told what you need to do, you say "fuck off"
and leave again, A.M.A. Then, six months later when you have 250lbs
on your legs, you're again in the E.R.... and so it goes.
The above vignette brought to you courtesy of daily events in a
real emergency room.
...If you don't want to do something, and you find yourself
doing it anyway, it's easy to excuse the choice by saying you are
addicted...
Does going to work count?
I'm sure if you do your sampling and analysis of "addicts'" behavior from an emergency room, Paul, you're going to see quite a skewed sample, dontcha think? That's pretty much the same as what you'll hear from cops too. I don't base my opinion on physicians (totally) on how they behave at the country club bar either.
Does going to work count?
Comment by: Bobster at August 11, 2006 05:58 AM
Yes, you are hopelessly addicted to work and you must seek
counseling.
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