Jeff Taylor | March 10, 2006
The conspiracy to ignore last Friday's terror attack in Chapel Hill is growing, and now extends to the upper reaches of the U.S government. This can only mean the terrorists are winning, or perhaps, may have already won.
"The PATRIOT Act has accomplished exactly what it was designed to do. It has helped us detect terror cells, disrupt terrorist plots and save American lives," President Bush said at yesterday's PATRIOT Act signing ceremony. "The PATRIOT Act has served America well, yet we cannot let the fact that America has not been attacked since September the 11th lull us into the illusion that the terrorist threat has disappeared. We still face dangerous enemies."
There you have it: America has not been attacked since September the 11th.
The conclusion is inescapable: Either President Bush is lying, which post-Iraq has been established beyond all reasonable doubt to be metaphysically impossible, or he is a member of the MSM. As I said, the terrorists may have already won.
Meanwhile, the Muslim extremist who used co-eds for speed bumps, Mohammed Taheri-azar, has been charged with nine counts of attempted first-degree murder and nine counts of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill, inflicting serious injury. Taheri-azar told police that he meant to kill people to avenge the treatment of Muslims around the world. Even so, the U.S. Attorney has yet to bring any terror-related charges in the case, no doubt awaiting orders from the Justice Department on how to proceed.
This makes sense as Rachel Brand, assistant Attorney General, is also part of the conspiracy. Brand declined to respond to a question asking why PATRIOT did not prevent Taheri-azar's attack, which he had planned for at least two months.
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Remember, politically motivated attempted murder is not
terror, but too much Sudafed is.
Good line, Jeff. I wish it wasn't true. If a random angry man
carring out a planned attack on innocent people to punish the
government isn't a terrorist act, what is?
I'm as much against the Act as the next guy here but your post is as disingenuous as it is sarcastic, Jeff. There isn't a single supporter of the Act who would guarantee its absolute power to prevent every "terrorist" act. Come on. The sarcasm gets old in a hurry in these parts.
If a random angry man carring out a planned attack on
innocent people to punish the government isn't a terrorist act,
what is?
A random angry man carring out a planned attack on innocent people
to punish the government in such a way that the government can use
it as an excuse to take away more civil liberties. I'm sure this
Chapel Hill business will be upgraded to "terrorism" just as soon
as the government figures out the right angle to approach it
from.
"America has not been attacked since September the 11th."
So, the presdient doesn't rmemeber that a successful biological
attack on the media and the us senate, killing 5 people, was
launched after sep 11, and that his administration has no clue who
did it and isn't trying very hard to find out?
Ed,
Doesn't the Taheri-azar case prove that if one person want to
commit a terrorist act, he can do so with ease. PATRIOT did not and
will not help prevent such attacks. And what have meth, credit card
payoffs, and anti-trust laws to do with terrorist attacks? I'd say
sarcasm is justified. It is, ultimately, all we have.
I also recall there was some nutty kid that flew a small plane into a building in sympathy with Bin Laden. Don't know if anyone died, but I'd say that counts as a terrorist attack on the U.S.
"The sarcasm gets old in a hurry in these parts."
that post really reads like a "i'm not for X, BUT...". i really
like Korn, BUT!... cripes.
the thing is that the Repubs have been trumpeting the myth of
"limited government" for many years. They were worried about civil
liberties because of Waco. Many don't recall/know that Ruby Ridge
was a Bush infraction.
Many supporters believe we need a PATRIOT act, but current gun laws
suffice. we don't need more laws there. "just enforce existing ones
better".
the supporters may not guarantee 100% security from attack, but
they sure take a lot of credit.
and looking at the mission creep of the snooping, going after a bad
law with bad intentions and, presumably, bad outcomes (unless
you're innocent: they, after all, have nothing to fear) *is* a good
idea.
snap snap, jeff. nice!
It's only terrorism if they attack national symbols or landmarks. Blow up the WTC, it's terrorism; blow up the Elks club and it's just crime.
Ed,
Perhaps no PATRIOT supporters have said that in so many words, but
do recall that in the runup to reauthorizing the Act, the president
complained that any delay in reauthorization could lead to a terror
attack being successful.
Timothy:
first "Wal-Quaeda" and now this. yoooo da man!
awesome. it's a shame that you don't know anything about economics,
tho. :) wink wink.
the shuttlecocks page is a favorite of mine. Sj�berg did a great
parody of a text adventure game, recently. fantastic!
VM: Brunching was a favorite of mine as well, I always loved the ratings. And "Kitchen Floor" is perhaps the best thing ever created in flash. Lore is still around at his blog and that site has links to some of his other interweb projects. I guess he's doing reviews for Wired or something these days.
And yes, Brunching Shuttlecocks was excellent. The Ratings were great (I even bought the book) and so was the "Satan on..." series of articles.
If the guy�s motive was �revenge�, that kind of by definition is not �terrorism�.
I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't another Acutane-fueled act of terror like the incident that Smappy is referring to.
If the guy�s motive was �revenge�, that kind of by
definition is not �terrorism�.
Then 9-11 wasn't an act of terrorism; that was supposedly revenge
for the deaths of Iraqi children in the embargo, and the defilement
of the Holy Land of Arabia with infidel soldiers, and all the other
things America has done to piss off Bin Laden.
Dan,
What definition of terrorism are you using? Because revenge on the
US government by trying to kill UNC students seems like terrorism
to me.
Jeff, you missed the obvious connection: Bush and the MSM are
all part of Al-Queda!
quick, everyone! cancel your subscription to the NY Times! stop
paying income taxes! these things are funding terrorism!
Then 9-11 wasn't an act of terrorism; that was supposedly
revenge for the deaths of Iraqi children in the embargo, and the
defilement of the Holy Land of Arabia with infidel soldiers, and
all the other things America has done to piss off Bin
Laden.
That's actually a good point - if 9/11 was a revenge attack, then
it was not terrorism. Same with the 1995 OKC bombing.
Terrorism is when you use terror to achieve a stated goal.
Generally, it requires some group to take responsbility for it
along with some sort of demands. Simply blowing something up
because you're pissed off at somebody doesn't really count,
IMO.
Dan,
What definition of terrorism are you using? Because revenge on the
US government by trying to kill UNC students seems like terrorism
to me.
I'm using the stricter definition of terrorism being a tactic used
in conjunction with an aim to achieve a goal of some sort.
Admittedly, the current popular definition sometimes seems to be
"any act of violence committed by somebody other than the United
States government".
Again, the OKC incident was terrorism because it was a
government building. If it was just a big law office it would only
be crime.
If al-Qaeda really wants to confuse Americans, they should hijack
some planes and fly them into a prison.
Jennifer,
Regarding your last post, I remembered this line...
"I don't think Osama bin Laden sent those planes to attack us
because he hated our freedom. I think he did it because of our
support for Israel, our ties with the Saudi family and our military
bases in Saudi Arabia. You know why I think that? Because
that's what he fucking said! Are we a nation of
6-year-olds? Answer, yes." --David Cross
Dan,
Fair enough, but I don't think that the government shares that
definition.
I'm as much against the Act as the next guy here but your
post is as disingenuous as it is sarcastic, Jeff. There isn't a
single supporter of the Act who would guarantee its absolute power
to prevent every "terrorist" act. Come on. The sarcasm gets old in
a hurry in these parts.
I agree. This is no more logically consistent than the people who
hold up a pregnancy resulting from a broken condom to say that
birth control is ineffective. I don't think it strengthens the
political case for civil liberties to play loose with the facts and
conclusions.
That's actually a good point - if 9/11 was a revenge attack,
then it was not terrorism. Same with the 1995 OKC bombing.
Terrorism is when you use terror to achieve a stated
goal.
The stated goal is revenge. But this entire "is it or isn't it
terrorism" argument has as much real-world application as medieval
theologians debating how many angels can fuck on the head of a
pin.
...do recall that in the runup to reauthorizing the Act, the
president complained that any delay in reauthorization could lead
to a terror attack being successful.
Yeah, and that wasn't different from his re-election campaign
itself: Vote for me or terrorists will destroy your city.
Is it just me, or did that not seem coercive? All that were left
out were the words "I'll have terrorists destroy your
city".
I think Dan means that if the stated goal is something like "We're going to keep driving SUV's into college students unless you withdraw from Iraq", it's terrorism and if it's"I drove into those kids to avenge the invasion of Iraq", it's not. I don't agree with that as the end result is the same. Panic about violent acts against non-combatants for political reasons.
The stated goal is revenge. But this entire "is it or isn't
it terrorism" argument has as much real-world application as
medieval theologians debating how many angels can fuck on the head
of a pin.
I disagree totally - it's very relevant in this day and age when
deeming an act to be "terrorism" subjects the accused to a whole
different standard of legal protection, or lack thereof.
I think Dan means that if the stated goal is something like
"We're going to keep driving SUV's into college students unless you
withdraw from Iraq", it's terrorism and if it's"I drove into those
kids to avenge the invasion of Iraq", it's not. I don't agree with
that as the end result is the same. Panic about violent acts
against non-combatants for political reasons.
I suppose the current definition is that "terrorism" is political
violence committed by an entity that is not a recognized
state.
You can't really use the term "non-combatants" because attacks on
the Pentagon and USS Cole were also labeled terrorism.
You can't really use the term "non-combatants" because
attacks on the Pentagon and USS Cole were also labeled
terrorism.
That, I would call a misapplication of the term (except that in the
Pentagon attack, a plane full of noncombatants was flown into it);
rather than calling the driving of a truck into a crowd of college
kids a misapplication.
The truth, I think, is that for the average American, "terrorism" just means a threat to Westerners (military or civilian) not posed by an organized military. This broad definition, in skillful hands, can include anything from suicide bombers to insurgents in Iraq to drug traffickers, which of course is the main problem with declaring a War on Terror in the first place. The fact that we're arguing over the details of how the term should be applied proves Mr. Taylor's point in the article; that is, unless we can agree on a specific definition of the threat, it doesn't make to sense to treat it differently than normal crime under the law. So we (that is, Congress) had either better come up with a reasonable definition quick, or abandon laws that treat it differently.
Not that I think many here are looking for one, but it seems to
me that there's really a distinction in 'terror' between what I'd
call 'organized terror,' and 'lone nut terror.'
An organized terror group is probably going to operate in a
minimally rational way to achieve its objective, and thus stands a
chance of being stopped by rational countermeasures. A 'lone nut'
only acts on the impulses inside his squirming brain, and his
attacks are almost impossible to anticipate or stop
beforehand.
That this Chapel Hill guy claims he was avenging Muslims doesn't
really take him out of the lone nut category, to my mind. If he had
claimed he was avenging our oppression of peaceful space visitors
from the planet Zworp, we'd obviously say he was nuts. Just because
this guy uses the buzzword 'Muslims' to me doesn't automatically
make him much different from the insaniac who shoots up a
McDonald's or a post office, in spite of all the terror these
things inspire.
If we were to find out this guy was sent out as part of a plot to
inpire terror, then I'd be inclined to call him a 'terrorist.'
All you're talking about is degree of organization. I think we can agree that they're all nuts.
What zach says is what should have every libertarian minded
person terrified (ha!). The fact that there is no definition of
terrorism set down by the president or congress, nor, do I suspect,
they want one, means that pretty much anyone could be a
terrorist.
Launder money? Terrorist.
Do drugs? Terrorist.
Piss in a stream? Terrorist.
Etc, etc, etc.
I know the slippery slope arguement gets a little tired, but it's
so goddamn accurate, it needs to be constantly trotted out.
Fair enough, but I don't think that the government shares
that definition.
No, you're right. The government's definition of terrorism is
"Whatever we choose to call terrorism."
What about the shooting at LAX a few years ago? They didn't call that terrorism. And few people called John Mohammed a terrorist. Nobody supposed the explosion at the oil depot on Staten Island was terrorism. And despite a warning a week in advance, nobody blamed the refinery fire near Houston on terrorism. So, I don't expect this one to be the perfect-record breaker.
medieval theologians debating how many angels can fuck on
the head of a pin.
ANGELS DON'T EVEN HAVE BODIES, BIOOOOTTCHH!
Well, UA, that was sort of the question, wasn't it?
(note to the less-dorky-than-I: the midieval debate that we've
described as 'how many angels can dance on the head of a pin' was
the question of whether angels have physical existence. If they do,
only one can occupy any point in space-like the head of a pin-at a
time. If they don't, you can have as many as you want in one
place).
Remember the phony anthrax scare? Remember what the President
said about those? I remember it quite well... "Anyone
who sends Anthrax by the mail is a terrorist... and anyone who send
phony Anthrax threats by mail is a terrorist."
Then it was discovered that one of the people sending phony Anthrax
threats was a radical anti-abortion Christian... and suddenly there
wasn't any talk about charging people with terrorism.
So why should we be surprised by the revelation that people aren't
calling THIS an act of terrorism either?
Remember the phony anthrax scare?
Actually, at least one person died in the 2001 anthrax attacks .
.
Petunia: one person died from the ACTUAL Anthrax attacks, but
there were several phony Anthrax attacks as well. Some were done as
sick pranks, but others were carried out against women's clinics.
One of the people who got caught in the latter was Clayton Lee
Waagoner, who was NEVER considered to be a terrorist, even though
by all rights he should have been.
But speaking about the actual attacks... whatever happened to THAT
investigation? Isn't it strange that the manhunt for that person
sort of dried up after the PATRIOT Act got passed?
I forgot to mention that Bush as part of the MSM also explains how it is that the MSM is Losing the War in Iraq. In fact, we all know everything that goes wrong in Iraq can be traced to the...MSM.
FIVE people were killed by the anthrax attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthrax_attacks
Then it was discovered that one of the people sending phony
Anthrax threats was a radical anti-abortion Christian... and
suddenly there wasn't any talk about charging people with
terrorism.
Link
Here shows:
US District Judge Anita Brody on Thursday sentenced
antiabortion advocate Clayton Waagner to 19 years in prison without
the possibility of parole for several federal convictions,
including threatening to use a weapon of mass destruction, the...
Allentown Morning Call reports.
I think "threatening to use a weapon of mass destruction" would be
a terrorism related law, even though it's not a new one.
I'm as much against the Act as the next guy here but your
post is as disingenuous as it is sarcastic, Jeff.
Not really.
The war is, or should be, defined as a war against Islamic
Fundamentalists, i.e. Muslims who kill civilians for whatever
twisted reasons. We got 'em here, we got 'em in Iraq, they're all
over the globe.
Half an ounce of common sense says this is how the enemy in this
war is defined. The same common sense says that Mohammed
Taheri-azar is a terrorist, given his professed motive. The fact
that other criminals could or have done similar things isn't
relevant. What's relevant is that Taheri-azar has identified
himself as one of the enemy.
Jeff may not spell every detail of this logic out for y'all, but
it's implicit in what he said and makes far more sense than what
our politicians are saying. His comments are not "disingeneous" and
the sarcasm aimed at Bush is well deserved. It's Bush who lead the
charge to fight the enemy -- and then failed to identify an enemy
soldier right in our mist. WTF?
Bush and Congress unfortunately have no common sense and have
blurred the universe with their undefined War on Terror. Or maybe
they do have common sense, and took the chance to declare war on
whatever they pleased (which is almost everything).
You do have to wonder if there isn't President-MSM complicity
here. Same as the Beltway snipers, who were Muslim but it was
almost never mentioned.
Whether the snipers shot civilians in the name of Allah or not,
their religion should have been looked at as an odd
coincidence.
But present Republican incarnation is to be "compassionate", which
is PC enough that I could see the MSM going along with a Bush
request to down play the Islam part of the story. After all, we
don't want to have any backlash against our Muslim community.
Kahn,
So, anytime someone commits murder, the media should emphasize
their religious background, even if it doesn't have any relevance
to the deed?
The point of the war on terror is not to defeat any and all
people who might wish to do harm to Americans for reasons of
religion or ideology. That is impossible. The goal is to defeat
organized terrorist groups, since groups generally have greater
capabilities than individuals. If this guy was some lone nut, well,
then there's really no reason to read any greater significance into
it.
OTOH, when a member of an organized terrorist group carries out an
attack, then it is of course appropriate to find out who else was
working with him.
In other words, I'm not particularly interested in a murderer's
ideology or religion. I'm interested in finding out whether he had
any accomplices, and capturing his accomplices. That would be just
as true whether the accomplices are Crips, Bloods, Mafiosi, Al
Qaeda, Symbionese Liberation Army, Militiamen, Klansmen, Hatfields,
McCoys, Hamas, Hizbollah, Shining Path, whatever.
If this guy is a lone nut, then just prosecute him, try him, and
punish him if he's found guilty. If he had helpers, then still put
him on trial, but also track down his helpers, regardless of what
their motivation might be.
In other words, I'm not particularly interested in a
murderer's ideology or religion.
In most cases I'd agree. But when this guy says he's acting in
sympathy with orginized terror groups, has he not made himself "one
of them"? Or will you try to tell me that his professed sympathy is
of no meaning or relevance, because after all there's only one of
him and not two acting in concert -- in this specific
instance?
In any other war we'd at least call this person a traitor, and we
don't treat traitors the same as common criminals.
In which case,
So, anytime someone commits murder, the media should emphasize
their religious background, even if it doesn't have any relevance
to the deed?
their religion does have relevance.
The reason for "emphasizing" religious background is, at this
point, to determine whether or not these are the motives.
Motive does matter. That's the whole point.
Kahn-
He may very well be acting out of sympathy with organized terrorist
groups. And I certainly have no problem punishing people who aid
terrorists, even if the people provided assistance without
receiving assistance in return. The questions are:
1) Did he receive support from somebody else?
If so, then we need to find those assisting him.
2) Did his actions, even if conducted without assistance, aid
somebody else in carrying out an attack?
If so, then he should be punished not only for the attack and the
harm he caused, but also for whatever else comes of his
actions.
The thing is, this guy seems to be acting alone, and I don't really
how he's aiding anybody else in carrying out an attack. So what of
it? He clearly plowed a car into a bunch of people, I don't see any
way for him to escape a conviction, so what else do you want? The
guy's in deep trouble, and he's going to be punished after a fair
trial. It seems like the system will work just fine, so what else
is to be accomplished by labeling this as terrorism?
To elaborate on providing assistance to the enemy:
Let's say that a guy, acting on his own, attacked an office where
federal agents were investigating terrorism. (He could always
attack CTU Los Angeles, which gets infiltrated every season on 24.)
You could make a strong case that he's providing aid to the enemy,
even if he isn't actively coordinating with the enemy. OK, charge
him with aiding terrorism in addition to charges of
murder/attempted murder/arson/whatever.
But if some dude just says "I agree with Bin Laden" and then
randomly goes postal or sets off an improvised bomb or plows a car
into a crowded area or whatever, without doing anything that really
impedes the fight against an organized terrorist group, it's hard
to argue that he was aiding an organized terrorist group. Moreover,
I don't really see what we'll gain by adding those charges on to
the indictment. He'll already be facing a very long prison
sentence, if not a death sentence (depending on the casualties). So
if the punishment won't be any steeper in practice, and
investigating him won't turn up any useful information on an
organized terror network, why not just prosecute him for what he
did and leave it at that?
I'm not accusing Kahn specifically, because I have no basis for doing so, but my guess is that some people simply want to be as tough as possible to send a message to angry Muslims everywhere. We've already invaded two Muslim countries, so I don't see how throwing more resources at this prosecution will make the message significantly stronger.
But isn't everyone here ignoring an important point? If it's out of character for the MSM to be so ingoring such a story, or neglecting important details of it, why are they doing so, expecially in consideration of the fact that, "mainstream" as they may be, they're a diverse and competitive bunch? Could they be intimidated by terror itself? Could part of the terror be a desire not to identify it as such?
thoreau,
I hear you. But it still seems to me that declaring oneself
idealogically in league with a declared enemy is a step above
common criminal acts.
That said, you're right. The guy is hosed either way.
Still,
If it's out of character for the MSM to be so ingoring such a
story, or neglecting important details of it, why are they doing
so
this is something I find disturbing. But I find the MSM inherently
untrustworthy anyway.
Funny thing is, lots of people say the same thing. Then they base
all kinds of opinions on nothing but the MSM.
For example a couple of days ago on yahoo (sorry, lost the page)
they published a survey saying most Americans think Iraq is
decending into all out civil war.
Gimme a break. If everybody thinks so, it's because that's what the
MSM has been putting on page 1 for weeks.
I don't like my news pre-digested, but I suppose there really isn't
any way around it.
But it still seems to me that declaring oneself
idealogically in league with a declared enemy is a step above
common criminal acts.
Sounds like a "Thought Crime" to me.
If it is a law enforcement problem I think we need to form FBI
kidnap squads to kidnap terrorists from states that do not
cooperate in the law enforcement effort.
Of course such acts could be considered an act of war.
Back to square one.
M. Simon-
Thankfully, the person in question is on US soil and already in
custody, so no military operations will be necessary.
In fact, any lone nut carrying out an attack on US soil would,
by definition, be a law enforcement matter. If he's a lone nut then
there's certainly no need for the level of force that only the
military can bring to bear. And if he's on US soil then there's
certainly no need to invade foreign territory to deal with
him.
Nonetheless, I'm sure that there are some posters who would support
invading Morocco, or Egypt, or Yemen, if a lone nut of Iranian
descent drove a car into a crowd.
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