Ronald Bailey | December 15, 2005
The Washington Post has another story in which two men convicted of a crime have been exonerated by post-conviction DNA testing:
Newly tested DNA from rapes committed more than 20 years ago has exonerated two Virginians who had each spent more than a decade behind bars, reigniting a national debate about post-conviction testing of biological evidence.
Gov. Mark R. Warner (D) announced the test results Wednesday. One of the defendants served 20 years in prison for a rape in Alexandria that the new testing shows he did not commit. The other man was released in 1992 after serving about 11 years for an assault in Norfolk. The governor did not reveal the names of the exonerated men because they had requested privacy. He said he would expedite their pardon requests.
Reason has long been in favor of expeditious post-conviction DNA testing. If there is biological evidence that could exonerate a prisoner, it should be tested period. And state legislatures and Congress should supply the tax monies needed to do it as fast as possible. If government is not about rendering justice, what the hell else is it about?
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Dammit, I thought you meant the Justice Department, or at least
one of the Supreme Court justices.
The implications of unchanging virtues can't compel the Bureau of
Prisons to do squat.
"If government is not about rendering justice, what the hell
else is it about?"
Confiscating our land, wealth and freedom in return for a false
sense of security.
Not a bad tradeoff, eh?
I don't know if this is still true, but it used to be, in Virginia, that after a conviction you only had 30 days (or possibly 21, I don't remember) to introduce new evidence. So if Joe, say, is convicted of a mass murder, and then 31 days after his conviction I find a videotape clearly showing that someone else did the murder of which Joe was convicted, too fucking bad for Joe--he can apply for a pardon, but he has NO right to a new trial.
Jennifer: That was the case, but fortunately that was changed a couple of years ago.
I was just thinking, that the government is like a very stupid
perosn who hires clever people to do whatever stupid thing he
decides should be done.
If government is not about rendering justice, what the hell
else is it about?
The purpose of monopoly is to resrtict supply. In the case of
justice, that applies also.
Jennifer, there's still the Supreme Court ruling from circa 1990 that declared that evidence of innocence did not give a defendant on death row the right to a new trial.
Jennifer, there's still the Supreme Court ruling from circa 1990
that declared that evidence of innocence did not give a defendant
on death row the right to a new trial.
Comment by: joe at December 15, 2005 11:59 AM
Yes, I know. Which is why more and more I'm convinced the justice
system has nothing to do with justice, or getting dangerous people
off the streets. . . .it's all symbolic. A crime has been
committed, we will imprison Someone for the crime. So long as
Someone is imprisoned, that's okay. Doesn't have to be the Someone
who did the crime, though.
It's like the people who admit bag searches won't stop a determined
subway bomber--but that's okay, at least the government is Doing
Something. It doesn't have to work, so long as they Do Something.
And the way to deal with crime is to Imprison Somebody, no matter
if it's the right one.
Also, if your country is attacked you must Invade Somebody, but
again it doesn't have to be the somebody who actually invaded
you.
So in summation: Doing Something is far more important than Doing
Something That Will Actually Work.
10 points to the first person who can find a blogger seriously suggesting that cases like this should be ignored because they could undermine our fatih in government/justice system.
Number 6 --
This is close but not on DNA, so 5 points.
http://thoughtsonline.blogspot.com/2005/12/much-more-on-cory-maye.html
-- A name not a number
Strange timing on this item, because I happened to see the
documentary "After Innocence" last night.
I highly encourage everyone to see it if it plays in your area. I
understand it'll come to Showtime sometime next year.
Very wrenching stories about people exonerated after years spent in
the prison system. Ex-IL gov Jim Ryan comes off very well from his
interview and discussion about suspending the death penalty;
conversely the DA's for the Wilton Dedge case in Florida come
across as system-apologist fuckwits. Even after DNA evidence showed
that the pubic hairs from the rape scene were not his, they kept
him in administrative purgatory for THREE YEARS until he could get
a hearing before a judge.
Here's the IMDB entry:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0436039/
Someone help...I seem to have a disconnect.
Why POST conviction testing and not pre-conviction testing? I mean
I know for old cases it wouldn't be possible, but for anyone who
has not been convicted, or is facing trial, shouldn't this be a
mandatory part of the trial? What am I missing?
ChicagoTom,
They already do pre-conviction testing now. The cops want to
develop evidence, and innocent criminals want to be exhonorated.
This is only about old cases - cases in which forenstic evidence
has been stored, and new technologies developed since the
trial.
One wonders just how much exculpatory evidence gets sat on by prosecutors. The political pressure to convict, convict, convict is amazingly high (party affiliation in this matter is 110% irrelevant, I might add). Frankly, if I had put someone behind bars who was innocent, I would do everything in my power to get him out. Besides mundane morality issues, prosecutors have an ethical and legal duty to cough up evidence before and after trial than tends to exonerate the accused. Defense counsel can be scum, but I can't believe the crap that state's attorneys are capable of.
Ron Bailey,
Well, there were ways around the law, including a federal habeas
corpus claim (though obviously the latter has been pared away
following 1996).
Pro Libertate,
One wonders just how much exculpatory evidence gets sat on by
prosecutors.
If it is then its a violation of their Brady duties.
Jennifer,
The law honors finality to a degree that we may not like. Also, in
comparison to the sort of criminal justice found in the 19th
century, procedural and substantive rights for the accused and/or
convicted are much more substantial.
I believe that the overwhelming majority of prosecutors
genuinely want to find and punish the bad guys. Part of the problem
is that most district attorneys are elected officials and have to
respond to public pressures. There are good reasons to have them be
directly accountable in that way, but the major side effect is a
tendency toward "body counts" and quickly closing cases that maybe
shouldn't be closed.
Of course, the other side is that DNA evidence is able to provide
100% exoneration pretty much only in rape cases--it is usually used
as one piece of a larger case in other types of criminal trials. As
such, you can understand why prosecutors would want some kind of
limit on the ability of 'jailhouse lawyers' to file endless appeals
over DNA evidence, even where said evidence was a small part of the
case presented against them. And nobody in prison is guilty. Just
ask them.
I'll agree with that and raise the ante. The victim in both of
these cases was obviously lying.
How about every time a convicted rapist is released after the DNA
proves he didn't do it we lock up the alleged victim to serve the
rest of his sentence? Then throw in the part of his sentence he
already served on top of that.
Lord help us if Johnny Cochran ever becomes a prosecutor. DNA evidence will have no bearing on innocence.
"Lord help us if Johnny Cochran ever becomes a prosecutor. DNA
evidence will have no bearing on innocence."
Cochran was good, but I don't think he is coming back from the
dead. Now, the OJ jury... well that is a group that could do some
seious damage to DNA evidence.
I'm keen on that "Do Something," and "Imprison Somebody," ideas
-- they're simply a fantastic way of meting out justice.
Maybe if we "Nuke Something," terrorism will drop off.
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