Jacob Sullum | August 26, 2005
The drug policy scholar Harry Levine has done some digging in The New Republic's new online archive and uncovered evidence that liberals used to get upset about marijuana arrests. For those of us who have become accustomed to a New Republic whose editors are at best indifferent to the injustices perpetrated in the name of a Drug-Free Society, even as annual marijuana arrests have reached record levels, these reminders of a time when they cared about such things are poignant. Below are a few samples, but the articles are worth reading in full.
From an April 1967 article by John Sanford: "The worst thing that can happen to a person who smokes pot is prison, not addiction. The worst thing about marijuana is the laws against it, which should be repealed."
From a May 1967 editorial, headlined "The Indecent Society": "After 30 years of federal antipot legislation, and 10 years after federal penalties were raised to ferocious levels, no one has shown that marijuana is more hazardous than martinis."
From a June 1967 editorial, headlined "Keep Off the Grass?": "The federal Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 and state laws patterned after it should be repealed, pot reclassified as nonnarcotic, penalties for possession and sale imposed by the federal Narcotic Control Act of 1956 removed. That, at least, would be a start."
From a November 1970 article by John Kaplan: "Although the present debate over the safety of marijuana is important, the forest of alleged facts should not obscure the question whether or not it should be legalized....The pertinent question here is whether the harm done by a drug approximates the harm done by laws attempting to suppress it....For those who do not appreciate the harm the marijuana laws are doing, misinformation about the drug's dangers makes the resolution of the social policy issue that much more difficult. Exaggerated warnings, rather than convincing people to lay off, feed a growing cynicism about authoritative statements."
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Ah, the care-free, innocent 70's, when someone could
write:
"...feed a growing cynicism about authoritative statements."
Pretty well fed, I'd say.
Funny how in the 80s and 90s some of the leading proponents were the likes of Bill Buckley, George Schultz, and Gary Johnson.
I think you will find plenty of liberals who find the whole drug
war appalling. I do, although I am not yet convinced that a
complete legalization of all drugs is the best course of action.
But what I think you will find is that liberals have not had any
more luck than libertarians in changing that war in a
democracy.
What is the libertarian plan for getting rid of the drug war that
takes into a account the fact that we live in a democracy and the
actual voting patterns of the electorate?
My mother died of cancer last spring. While she was taking Chemo she could not even try marijuana as a way to increase her appitite or cut her nausia. Yet, doctors had no problem proscribing huge amounts of opiate based pain killers for her. Not that they should not have been able to proscribe the pain killers, but it seems a little insane that a doctor can proscribe what amounts to heroin yet can't proscribe marijuana. I think the marijuana debate has come down to the fact that sometimes society just can't admit that it is wrong about something. Forget for a moment about legalizing it and selling it like booze, we can't even proscribe it for medical pruposes even though some people believe that it does have medical value. Why? I don't know anyone who would honestly argue that marijuana is as harmful as cocaine or heroin, yet both of those drugs are manufactured and proscribed by doctors. I think its a combination of people whose careers depend on marijuana being illegal and people who just cannot admit that its not worth fighting about anymore and move on. Instead, we continue with the charade of total prohibition.
I think its a combination of people whose careers depend on
marijuana being illegal and people who just cannot admit that
[they're wrong]
That's exactly what it is.
So pot is OK but the Doritos & Twinkies you eat as a result should be banned or at least very regulated?
John writes:
So pot is OK but the Doritos & Twinkies you eat as a result
should be banned or at least very regulated?
Yes. And the liberals want to ban Christmas, and make everyone chew
cardboard, and watch PBS reruns.
But if they admit they're wrong about marijuana prohibition it
might lead folks to question the wisdom of the war on drugs, or
indeed all forms of prohibition.
And the congregation said, "Amen!"
Who here is arguing in favor of government regulation of junk food? Where did THAT come from?
From a person who does not think that drugs should be legalized, I think that the prohibition on marijuana is hurting the the efforts to control other more dangerous drugs by discrediting the entire effort.
John,
Unfortunately the Bush DEA is going after doctors who prescribe
opiate based pain medication as well. Radley Balko has done a lot
of writing on the Bush "War on Doctors".
No, John, I was asking who you were referring to when you made that comment about legalizing pot but regulating Doritos.
Oh look another excellent thread to mention Marc Emery, one of the more effective anti-prohibition warriors. And also to encourage you to help him out
After the not-that-tacit admission by the DEA that Marc Emery's arrest was politically motivated, I don't see any way that Canada will extradite him to the US. The resulting row could cause Canada to break off all cooperation with the DEA and move even more in the direction of outright marijuana legalization. What are others' thoughts about the possible fallout from the Emery arrest?
Would John from California and John C Kluge mind differentiating their screen names?
Makes me think of ol' Zell Miller and how he ranted that the
Democratic Party moved away from his beliefs. Here, in a completely
different arena of policy, the Dems seem to have forgotten part of
their past.
Big names in both the major factions are opposed to the War on Some
Drugs. Who will have the fortititude to put a radical change in
policy before the people and the Congress? It seems like there
might be popular support for reform/repeal, but that support is
divided between all factions and therefore never becomes part of
any single major platform.
To me, it's no more complicated than modern liberalism embracing
the Mommy State in all its forms. Criminalization of drugs is of a
piece with "The War on Junk Food" and requiring that kids dress up
like hockey players in order to go ride a bicycle.
Sure, the Me-Generation leftists might have been indignant when
*they* were the ones being arrested for pot possession, but they
seem to have no problem telling other people how to live their
lives, and adopting a "do as I say, not as I did" attitude.
This is a nutshell example of how I found out I was a
libertarian and not a liberal that I thought I was in college. I
thought liberals cared about freedom. I got this idea from watching
what people did during the 50's & 60's regarding the issue of
desegregation.
But during the 80's & 90's when liberals started engaging in
the my-dick-is-bigger-than-your-dick contest with conservatives to
see who could be tougher on drugs, I learned that I had made a
grevious mistake.
Today, I understand the juxtiposition between me and conservatives
(And I appreciate that "conservatives" is a very broad brush to
paint with). With liberals however, I have no clue. I have no idea
what they stand for and, I think, neither to they. Oh yeah, they
hate George Bush with truculent asperity (yeah, I stole that from
George Will), but that's about all I can figure out.
It wasn't me, it was someone else who used my name. I have no
desire to regulate junk food.
The DEA and Justice are insane in their crusade against doctors. I
defend Bush on a lot of things, but I will not defend him on that
one. That said, the DEA and Justice have been out of control for
years under administrations of both parties.
Troy--
These days, at least in America, the terms "liberal" and
"conservative" are basically meaningless, or at least have NOTHING
in common with what they meant years ago. Conservatives are
supposed to favor less intrusive government, as opposed to allowing
the government to regulate people's consensual sex acts. Liberals
are supposed to favor personal freedom, not mandatory physical
fitness. I could list a thousand more examples for each case, but
why bother? As I've said before, the only difference between modern
Republicans and modern Democrats involves which specific aspects of
your life they want to control.
...and requiring that kids dress up like hockey players in
order to go ride a bicycle.
Shit, when I was a kid we didn't have to
"dress up like hockey players" to play fucking hockey.
Jennifer said : "the only difference between modern Republicans
and modern Democrats involves which specific aspects of your life
they want to control"
You seem to be forgetting "tax and spend" (D) v "tax and borrow"
(R) that's a significant difference to me.
Jennifer,
There has always been a never ending supply of puritan dogooders in
this country. They come in two varieties, the eat your peas yankee
and the fire and brimstone southerner. The Yankees have largely
renounced religion and have become the puritan secular left. The
fire and brinstone southerners have become the religous right of
the Republican Party. I will say this in defense of the
southerners. Unless you lived in their part of the country or tried
to enforce your view of the world on them, they generally kept to
themselves. Granted there were lots of people caught growing up in
bible thumping towns in the South, but they could always leave when
they grew up. The eat your peas Yankees have always been the more
virilent and dangerous lot because they didn't just stay in the
Northeast, they took over nearly all of academia, moved out across
the country and used the courts and trial lawyers to control as
many lives as possible. Granted both groups are like locusts, but
one seems to move around a lot more.
ARGH!!!
Tax and spend v Borrow and spend -- sorry bout that. And I did hit
preview too
Randy Ayn,
I'd like to believe you. But there's a reason the DEA is so brazen,
it just doesn't matter. As the world's sole superpower, the US does
whatever the fuck it wants anywhere it wants. Any government
foolish enough to defy the US on anything serious (and there's
nothing we take more serious than the War On Drugs, except
terrorism, no wait it's the WOD after all) will suffer the
consequences.
Then again, shock-and-awe strikes against Ottawa still sounds far
fetched. And as I said before Canada isn't some third world banana
republic we can push around, if they care enough they can push
back. Thing is, when it comes down to it I don't think they care
enough. And that's the whole point, isn't it. Look how far Marc has
come in advancing the cause of 'free the weed'. Left alone, in
another ten years he may very well succeed in leading Canada to a
legitimate market in marijuana. If that happens, there's no way US
prohibition could survive. So clearly Marc needs to be thrown into
a dark hole and never heard from again.
Tax and spend v Borrow and spend
A difference which is not all that significant anyway. Unless you
plan on exiting this world within the current presidential term,
you're gonna pay for it all eventually.
John, that is the most succinct analysis I've seen. And spot on.
Unless you lived in their part of the country or tried to
enforce your view of the world on them, they generally kept to
themselves.
Yet they've become *rather* successful at winning national
elections...
There were two things the old New Left had in common
with liberty (libertarians). One was legalizing drugs and the other
was an opposition to the draft.
But the Left's opposition to the draft had much more to do with war
than with the idea of involuntary servitude. If there had been a
draft for the Peace Corps they would have endorsed it and that is
further evidenced by the call for mandatory conscripted national
service (not just on the left but that is where it's most popular
and where it originated).
The change of heart about drug legalization just plain came out of
growing up, growing old, seeing a few cronies totter off with brain
damage, and being endowed with the superior knowledge of what is
best for everyone else. See, the drug legalization was never about
choice it was about rebellion, being cool, and rubbing the
establishment's collective nose in it. Reefer Madness was
a joke and drugs were fun, but once they realized that drug use
sometimes had negative consequences, it was an easy slide into the
drug war mentality. With kids of their own and their newly
discovered wisdom about drug use the boomers simply decided what
was best for those coming behind them and jumped on the prohibition
bandwagon without a second thought. Again, the key here is that for
The New Republic and many of its readers, it was never
about choice in the first place.
The right wants to protect us from drug dealers. The left wants
to increase union jobs. The middle doesn't care.
wiseburn
and make everyone chew cardboard
Chewing cardboard is bad for your teeth, and is therefore
forbidden.
ChiTom, I actually think you're on to something with "tax and
spend" (D) v "tax and borrow" (R). Just add (and spend) before
the (R).
As for TNR, I don't get to reading all my current subscriptions, so
I'm not adding them, and they require a subscription for everything
online as well. Thus I have no idea what their stance is on
anything these days -- how many people here want TNR enough that
they pay for it?
I think NORML/pro marajuana folks should do the same thing NRA/pro gun people do to people who are skeptical of their position. That is, instead of giving them 500 rounds, an Uzi, and letting them shoot the hell out of an old car, give them a quarter bag of funk bud, a plethora of junk food, and a selection of their favorite comedy shows to watch. You'd think that after getting blazed, stuffing your face, and laughing yourself a hernia most average folks would see no harm in recreational use of Pot. That's just like people who once feared guns generally learn to enjoy and appreciate firearms once they've had the chance to "play" with them.
I think NORML/pro marajuana folks should do the same thing NRA/pro gun people do to people who are skeptical of their position. That is, instead of giving them 500 rounds, an Uzi, and letting them shoot the hell out of an old car, give them a quarter bag of funk bud, a plethora of junk food, and a selection of their favorite comedy shows to watch. You'd think that after getting blazed, stuffing your face, and laughing yourself a hernia most average folks would see no harm in recreational use of Pot. That's just like people who once feared guns generally learn to enjoy and appreciate firearms once they've had the chance to "play" with them.
Shit, when I was a kid we didn't have to "dress up like
hockey players" to play fucking hockey.
LOL, funniest thing I've heard in two days.
OK, this is a long post and probably worth skipping. (I skip
almost all long posts.) Sorry for the length.
Anyway, yeah, I remember when things changed, around 1975. Young
people began to realize that they really weren't liberals at all.
Being a liberal at that time meant uncritically standing up for the
little guy and his causes and getting the government to pay for it.
You know, Welfare, Food Stamps, Subsidized Housing, Civil Rights
(OK, a noble cause), Native American Land Claims, Boycotting Grapes
or was it lettuce. Nope, they weren't liberal, just
compassionate.
And I saw my friends, one by one, joining the Assembly of God
church and becoming suburban child raisers.
The term 'Liberal' really hasn't changed, at least not to me. I run
into them every now and then. They're usually Black social
activists, main causes: urban homesteading and removing the scourge
of drugs from their inner city neighborhoods.
Nope, what changed is their cherished belief system and lifestyle
that still really isn't theirs but that they uncritically accept
because...well, I guess it's different for each person. My point is
that my generation is remarkable for its avoidance of individual
examination, substitution of followership for reason and general
lack of good ol' pellucidity. (There, I got it in.)
1970: Liberals have fun; they get laid and get high, or at least
attempt to. 1990: Conservatives have money; they own big houses and
are secure, or at least that's what they aspire to.
My generation: one-time alternative lifestyle seekers now
supporters of marijuana prohibition and tough penalties. Believer's
Chapel, SUVs and Rush Limbaugh. Blech!
But yeah, liberals don't support legalization. This isn't the last
time I say it: don't hold your breath, it ain't gonna be legal in
our lifetimes.
As Trey Parker or Matt Stone said once. "I hate conservatives
yeah, but I *fucking* hate liberals".
Those guys should run as a ticket.
nmg
why is it that meth is such an evil scourge but 8 year olds are addicted to adderall and many of my friends have gotten a legit prescrip for adderall (which they crush and blow before partying), even though they have no ADD? (Same goes for xanax too) adderrall=legal meth where doctors and pharmas and the gov't all profit (probably more so than if they legalized and taxed the real things) on misdiagnoses and an extremely rare disorder that has been completely blown out of proportion. that is how the new drug trade works.
The other day I was reading an article on FreeRepublic about a
college student killed in a drug raid on his home. Supposedly the
perp made a threatening move and the SWAT boys discharged their
weapons. Police say a small amount of MJ was found.
Some of the WOD apologists were saddened that this young man died
over a couple of ounces of pot. In their minds, two ounces of pot
is not worth dying for.
But if two ounces of pot is not worth dying for, then it is not
worth killing a person for either. IOW, if you don't want people to
die over two ounces of pot, quit supporting the WOD. The
authoritarian mind-set of those paraticular posters will not allow
them to see the hollowness of their position. They can take their
crocodile tears and ........
The whole thing about "liberals" supporting the WoD reminds me
of an issue I've run into with some leftists of my acquaintance
recently. They seem to define "liberal" as "stuff I like" and
"conservative" as "stuff I don't like". Therefore, if you point out
that widely-regarded-as-liberal politician Mr. X supports something
unpleasant like the WoD, censorship of rock lyrics, unlimited
eminent domain, etc., they just insist that Mr. X isn't liberal,
he's "mainstream" or "middle-of-the-road". I'm glad that for the
most part my acquaintances are against the WoD, but the problem
with their worldview is that it prevents them from realizing that
the problem is not just certain elements within the Democratic
party, it is the Democratic party (as well as the
Republicans, that is). Then they keep supporting the Ds, as if that
will help things, as if once the Ds take over once and for all
they'll purge those nasty "mainstream" elements, when what they're
really doing is preserving the status quo they claim to be
fighting.
BTW, I don't doubt this happens on the other side of the fence too,
but living in blue territory, I don't meet too many
conservatives.
Within the last couple weeks someone made a great comment about the DEA. Something like, "A DEA agent is the modern moral equivelent of a run away slave hunter. While technically enforcing the law, antithetical to the American ideal of liberty. The only good DEA agen is a dead one." Or something like that. Too lazy to actually look up who said it, but I thought it was pretty right on.
Jacob,
What do you think of the column by Mary Anastasia O'Grady in the
WSJ today?
The drug war is driving up violence and corruption and putting frail democracies at risk. But by making an otherwise common weed valuable it is also creating perverse incentives for even more people to get into the business.
The war against supply, with its huge monetary, social and political costs, is nothing more than a jobs program.
From a purely observational standpoint, all this means to me is
that all legalization arguments are simply losing the debate.
Basically, in the 'marketplace of ideas', legalization is getting a
smaller, and smaller marketshare.
Paul
Explain to me again how this is a legitimate marketplace for ideas when we are coercively forced to pay for our children to be coerced to take DARE?
"The change of heart about drug legalization just plain came out
of growing up, growing old, seeing a few cronies totter off with
brain damage, and being endowed with the superior knowledge of what
is best for everyone else."
And having kids of their own.
"the problem is not just certain elements within the Democratic
party, it is the Democratic party (as well as the Republicans, that
is)."
The problem is the voters in this case. Except for maybe the
pharmaceutical industry there is probably no special interest group
that is lobbying against drug legalization (maybe cops - all those
drug busts mean confiscating a lot of drug dealer loot). Absent
special interests, both parties are catering to the electorate.
Which is what they're supposed to do. Of course, the electorate can
also be jackasses (present company excluded). Democracy, even when
it works like it's supposed to, can be screwy.
Captain Awesome:
Explain to me again how this is a legitimate marketplace for
ideas when we are coercively forced to pay for our children to be
coerced to take DARE?
You're taking a bitter moral stance against a pure observation, and
then linking it with an official policy of the State(tm).
My point, which I think you missed, was that even liberals no
longer spill much ink over drug legalizaton- and in many cases rail
against it.
The 'marketplace of ideas' in my comment represents the media at
large- not the official policies of the Federal Government as it
relates to the local school board-- that's a different topic.
The H&R topic topic post suggested that many many years ago,
liberals railed against prohibition- the fact that they don't now,
suggests that the argument is losing ground. My comment was not to
be interpreted as an endorsement of prohibition, but a simple
observation of the topic's footing at large.
Paul
I have an idea that will never fly. Let's fund the war on drugs with check-off dollars. Then Juanita can have her war, and I can have my peace.
Good points, I tend not to think too clearly on the subject. It tends to get my blood heated. I know you guys don't dissagree and are just trying to explain the situation. But that still doesn't mean the situation isn't a sore spot for me.
This isn't about marijuana, but it is about drug legalization.
I've always wondered:
What if we got a really conservative-looking person to start
talking about the problem with the Afghan opium trade and the way
that those warlords manipulate it. Talk about the way that we must,
at all costs, end the warlords' grip on the trade and deny them
crucial funding. Talk about "indirect and unintended federal
subsidies that only make the problem worse."
Work the audience up into a froth of outrage at those evil Afghan
warlords selling opium!
Then propose legalization as a necessary step to break their
monopoly and flush out the money.
The flaw in this post -- The New Republic hasn't been a "liberal" magazine since circa 1983.
Attention all drug warriors,anti-legalisationists, and people
who say "Maybe we could loosen up on pot but the hard drugs must be
banished from society" (so mostly just John)
NOW HEAR THIS (or actually read this)
I shall make the following proposal to address your objections.
Such objections are made on grounds of:
Fear-of-harm-to-people-other-than-informed-consenting-adults
arguements:
-"children will have easier access"
-"the cost of a habit to an addict is crippling and people will
commit crime to support their habits"
-"Some people will drive while intoxicated from these substances
and they will pose a threat to others"
-"I think these substances have a mystical power to turn people
into mindless violent maniacs like those zombies in Dawn of the
Dead who will roam the earth and kill us all. The DEA told me
so."
- Miscelaneous concerns regaurding informed consent, production
hazards, etc.
Paternalistic arguements:
-"We should protect people from their own informed decisions to do
unhealthy stuff"
Focusing on the first kind of objection, I propose the followong
for "hard drugs":
Centers for legal use of hard drugs shall be established. A person
who wants to use such drugs recreationally could enter after
showing proof that he/she is at least 18. Upon entering the person
shall sign a consent form to the effect that he/she shall be
restrained from leaving during a time while he/she has a
drug-induced increased propensity for violence. The person would
also give up his/her car keys before entering and not get them back
while he or she is too intoxicated to drive. Also the person would
not be allowed to take the drugs out with him/her.
The person could then go to the vendor selling his or her drug of
preference (I imagine them as heroin bars, ecstacy clubs, cocaine
cafes, etc). Before entering the vendor, the user would be given
detailed information about the drug and its effects and consent to
assume the risks involved.
Private vendors would lease out space in this facility and compete
with eachother in the normal way. This competition, and the fact
that sellers would not have to incur extra costs avoiding law
enforcement, would make the price of drugs low enough so virtually
all users could support their habits with non-criminal activity.
The rent paid by vendors would pay for security and maintence of
the center. Somewhere within this closed off area there would be a
medical facillity to handle overdoses.
Also:
- No more "drug war exception to the bill of rights"
- If someone commits a crime and it seems somehow drug-use-related,
make that person get help in eliminating or controlling his/her
drug use in addition to the normal penalty imposed for
that crime.
- Repeal manditory minimums for drug crimes.
- Enforce laws against use outside the center (assuming they must
still exist) solely or primarily by undercover operations with cops
posing as buyers or sellers (though very few would buy illegally
under this system anyway). No more Plan-Columbia-type
operations.
I am going to go to sleep now; and when I wake up, if anyone has
noticed and commented on this post, I'll see what people think of
the Bruce Compromise system. Sorry for the ridiculously long
post.
Basically, in the 'marketplace of ideas', legalization is
getting a smaller, and smaller marketshare
It is? It seems like marijuana legalization, as an idea, is more
popular today than it has been since at least the 1970s. Look at
all the states that have passed medical-marijuana
initiatives.
I'm not sure that those taxpayer-funded DARE ads really have much
of an effect. Anyone under the age of 35 basically grew up
surrounded by constant anti-drug messages, and drug use seems to be
holding pretty steady.
what is the difference between a soft drug and a hard
drug?
are mushrooms soft? is a government regulated center the best place
to trip?
does the government and even society want people to trip and start
questioning social constructs?
what about smoked opium? hard or soft?
what about DMT? is produced naturally in the body and when u smoke
it u are incapaciated for 15 minutes, and then u get returned back
to your body and your mind without any major after effects.
i'd also say that alcohol is a hell of a lot harder of a drug than
opium and that DMT poses no threat to society or people. most
people would never touch DMT if they knew what it was, except for
scientists and the spiritual seekers.
most psychedelics are far from recreational, with the exception of
the relatively new designer drugs, lsd and shrooms.
hard and soft arent real differentiations.
we cant draw arbitrary lines between drugs. i say we legalize it
all and let people be free to have fun and make mistakes and enjoy
both the joys and pains of life.
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