Jacob Sullum | April 6, 2005
As Matt noted yesterday, the State Department has proposed requiring Americans returning from Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, the Caribbean, and Panama to present their passports. According to the A.P. report, it also wants to make citizens of those places bring their passports when they visit the U.S., "prompting Canadian officials to announce they might reciprocate."
This news puzzled me, since the last time I flew to Canada, in October 2003, I was turned away at Reagan National for want of a passport and had to go home, retrieve the little blue booklet, and take a later flight. After that incident, I remembered (a little too late) that the previous time I had visited Canada, in June 1999, they let me in with just a driver's license but warned that I'd need my passport to get out. (I had my wife FedEx it to me.) So what exactly is new about the new policy?
Evidently, the difference is that the current policy requires proof of citizenship, which need not be a passport. Contrary to the A.P. account, the State Department says a driver's license is not enough (although you do need some sort of photo ID in addition to proof of citizenship). But "a certified copy of your birth certificate" will do. To me that seems harder, but presumably many U.S. citizens who travel to Canada or Mexico don't have passports--only 20 percent or so of Americans do--and find it easier (and cheaper) to obtain certified copies of their birth certificates. (Is there some other reason to prefer birth certificates?) Or maybe A.P. is right, and some (many? most?) customs officials have been letting people through with nothing but driver's licenses, despite the official policy.
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Before 9/11, I never needed a passport OR a drivers license to
cross the US-Canada border either way (though I did keep a drivers
license with me just in case). They'd just ask if I was a US
citizen and why I was crossing.
Though I don't doubt my ultra-Anglo complexion and features helped
in that regard.
Some people, are *extremely* passport-phobic. There were many on
Cruisecritic.com that would rage at the suggestion that they get
passports for travel and would call those that suggested otherwise
'passport pushers'.
I somehow imagine most of them to be Republicans. :)
I grew up in a border town (US side). It's a pretty hard blow for
these places that depend on Canadians to come over for
shopping/touring/dining. The occassional VERY long lines on the
bridges and the rare but well publicized customs/immigration
fiasco's discourage our Canuck cousins from crossing the boarder to
drop those loonies (canadian dollar coins for those not close to
the great white north) and this ain't gonna help.
And at nearly $100 for a new passport, the price for passports for
families can be a true hardship for US citizens living in these
areas. Maybe the fees can be made tax deductable?
Doesn't bode well for the fake Nike clothing dealers, pharmaceutical sellers, and the guys who grab you and pour tequila down your throat then charge you three bucks for it down in Tijuana. And what about all the people who go down there to see the municipal parade where the garbage trucks blow their horns and burn rubber all the way down Avenida Revolucion?
When I went to Victoria a couple of years ago, they wanted me to
have a passport. I didn't have one, so they lectured me for a bit
and then let me through.
Now I do have a passport, so whatever. On the scale of horrifying
things the government is getting up to lately, this ranks pretty
low. It's in the 'irritating and stupid' range, rather than the
'how long can I stand to keep living here' range.
Never mind, next will be the internal passport and you won't be
able to get 50 miles from home without going through a
checkpoint.
It's for the CHILDREN, you know. It takes a village.
About 8-9 years ago I was chastised by the canadian border
patrol for trying to cross into Canada with merely a driver's
license. They made it a point of mocking me by asking if thought I
was just headed to California or something ( I was crossing into
Canada through Michigan via car). They informed me that I needed
proof of citizenship, either a passport or a birth
certificate.
It always struck me as odd. Whenever I traveled to Europe I always
used a passport, yet I never even considered it for Canada. And I
would never have even thought about using a birth certificate for
travel. They seem harder (or at least no more difficult) to obtain
than a passport anyway.
What's the advantage of not getting a passport ?
If some proof of citizenship is required, why does it matter
whether or not its a passport (as opposed to say a birth
certificate)
It's not really harder to get a passport. I think the key
difference is that passports expire. So you invariably don't have a
current one when you need it. Also, you can only have one. so if
you forget where you put it or are afraid of losing it they're a
pain. Lastly they come in one inconvenient size.
You can have as many proofs of citizenship as you want, including
as many birth certificates as you want. I have both a wallet-sized
birth certificate and a Canadian citizenship card that I can carry
in my wallet. And I still have a full-sized birth certificate filed
away that I could use were I to misplace both of those.
*blink*
Is requiring a passport really all that awful...?
Is this ^ statement enough to permanently kick me from the
(lowercase-L) libertarian club?
I cut across Windsor from MI to NY and back each year. I have
never carried a PP or BC. Twice (once exiting MI, once entering MI)
since 2000 the boarder guard gave me a hassle. BTW is there some
reason for the "You are stupid, I need you to acknowledge how
stupid you are" attitude? I thought that was the hallmark of local
police and rent-a-cops.
I think this is more than mere annoyance. It will prove quite
costly in its chilling effect on casual commuting as well on
international trade. Already millions of dollars are evaporating
every hour at the boarder due to long wait times (commercial
trucking in particular). The PP requirement provides zero
additional protection, it's just another feel good,
we're-being-inconvenienced-therefore-we-must-be-safer,
measure.
I for one lament the passing of the worlds longest unguarded
boarder. The US/CA boarder of the late 20th century was one of
mankind's great achievements. We are all poorer for it's
passing.
I grew up near the Canadian border and as far back as I can
remember you needed both the drivers license and birth certficat or
the passport to go back and forth, since a drivers license only
indicates residency rather than citizenship.
Last month, I flew to Germany without having to go through any
passport control on the European end. That struck me as rather odd,
since I don't remember that happening before.
Warren and Serafina,
It's probably different at different crossings; my mom lost my
birth cert and SSC when I was little, and I didn't get a passport
till I was 18, so I know I had none of these the numerous times we
crossed at Sault Ste Marie as I was growing up.
Also, the crossing at Niagara Falls never asked me for anything
more than a license before 9/11.
I drove to Montreal with some friends in 2002 and we only needed driver's licenses to get in and out of Canada.
Could determined people get into the country just by crossing at
a location where there is no border check? Or dummy up good fakes.
There is no database(thankfully) that gets referenced.
This is just to make it seem like we're "more secure", protecting
the country from those who already live here, and follow the
rules.
I feel much safer knowing that sexy coeds returning from spring
break in Cancun will have to show passports. Not to mention all
those grandmothers driving north to buy medicine for their
osteoporosis.
Don't you know we're at war here, people?
at the time that I met my girlfriend, she lived in Canada and I
in Oregon, so cross-border visits were not infrequenet for the
first year or so of our relationship. My experiences (circa
1998-99) were as such:
- The border station used by Greyhound didn't care one way or the
other as long as you had a valid driver's license from one nation
or the other
- Ditto my gf's experience driving (i was sans auto at the
time)
- PDX and Victoria airport customs would let us both in and out
with just a license, though I one time got warned by a PDX official
that I might have a hard time getting back in without a 'port
(though as it turned out it was never an issue)
- Vancouver wouldn't let me in without a passport. To return to the
US, not only did I need a passport, but I also had to have $20
canadian for an "airport beautification fee" - and it had to be
cash. no pay, no board. this fee seemed only to apply to US-bound
passengers. Vancouver also has the most aggressive drug dogs of any
airport I've ever been to.
Oh, and no doubt with these passport checks we'll finally be able to stop people from bringing illegal drugs across the border. Not to mention gardeners and nannies.
Using a passport is really not the most onerous thing in the world. Hell, it'll probably speed up the border crossing once people know what exactly is required and aren't trying to figure out if a driver's license is enough, or if they need a birth certificate, etc.
Thoreau
yeah, it solves all those problems.
Once again us homegrown law abiding citizens are required to jump
through more hoops. All the while illegals(undocumented workers)
get carte blanche because there is no policy for them. Just as
ridiculous as 81 year old grandma Jones in a wheelchair, body
cavity searched by the TSA.
It really doesn't even warrant any kind of response.
I live near Detroit and when I go across the river to Windsor,
Ontario they let me through with just a drivers licence and student
ID. They complain, saying I need a birth certificate, but they
always let me through.
Mostly they just joke around about where they assume I am going to
go drink, since I look young and the drinking age in Ontario is
only 19. Customs on both sides could seem to care less.
Living in Seattle, I've driven up to Vancouver any number of
times, and even since 9/11, have been able to get in and out with a
driver's license (and, presumably, Washignton plates).
A few years back (still post 9/11), my GF and I flew to Puerto
Vallarta for a week. Forgot my passport, but was able to get there
(and back!) with my driver's license and a half-page
Affidavit of Citizenship ("Do you intend to commit any terrorist
acts? [ ] Yes [ ] No").
"Is there some other reason to prefer birth certificates?"
Well, there is that little tracking
chip that will be placed in US passports now, so I'd say
yes.
"Americans in the know will be wrapping their passports in
aluminum foil."
Cha-ching! There we go.
I just went into Canada from Minnesota about 89 months ago with
my mother and we didn't need a passport or birth certificate,
although we brought the latter.
I guess it depends on where you're crossing, who's checking, what
day it is, etc.
I grew up 20 miles from mexico and used to cross the border
often to buy various things and to drink alcohol cheaply in mexico.
All I needed to get back across was my drivers license of course to
get a license you need a birth certificate and other form of ID. I
have a couple of problems with this policy.
At least with mexico most of the mexican customs agents you talk to
when going into mexico will not remind americans to bring a
passport. Then what are we going to do? Not let obvious american
citizens back in, what will the waste of time be when you forget
your passport.
How is requiring a passport going to make us any safer? Why do I
need a passport to re-enter a country I am a resident of? Who
issues passports and how hard is it to get one? Why didn't
politicians ask these questions instead of making another rubber
stamp reform that will make it look like they are protecting us but
will waste my time and actual only keep non-dangerous working folks
out of the country....
This time last year, I made a large number of crossings back and
forth at Michigan and New York crossings. I even had a modestly
weird situation because my state of temporary residence is
different from my driver's license state, plus I was driving a
Canadian rental car.
Driver's license was all I needed (though once I may have had to
hand over my social security card -- you know, the one that's never
supposed to be used as a national ID card). The Canadian guys were
much more strict with me than the American ones, perhaps simply
because I'm not Canadian.
You need a birth certificate to get a DL, but it need not be American. DL's in no way relate to citizenship. Lots of people on temporary or expired visas have American DL's. Exchange students love them because they are much cheaper to get than European ones. In the past, they could be exchanged for their more expensive, European counterparts. Sweden cracked down on this when they realized they were accepting Arabic library cards.
It's just security theater again, folks. It will have no effect on actually making us more secure, but it will annoy and inconvenience lots of people, so we look like we're being protected. Living in Detroit I used to go over to Windsor for dinner, but now think twice about it because of the chance of getting stuck in a long line.
I used my FL voter registration card as proof of citizenship one
time flying into Toronto International. The Customs guy was
fascinated that we registered our party affiliation, and that I was
a Libertarian (unlike Americans a lot of Canadians have heard of
the Libertarian Party).
On the return trip I just had to tell the INS guys at Orlando
International verbally that I was returning to my residence in Fl
and that I was an American citizen. No documents, no nothing.
Course, that was early '90's. Must have been that "earlier more
innocent time". There has actually always been a requirement by
both governments that you have "proof of citizenship". They were
rarely requested.
I don't recall ever showing any papers any of the times I have
driven across the border. It was usually pull up to booth, roll
down window, "where w'ya born?"...."purpose of visit"..."move
on".
I crossed the border to Vancouver just 3 weeks ago. Having been
hassled about not having a passport or birth certificate with me in
January 2002, I made certain I had my birth certificate and
driver's license with me this time back. No ID was required to go
into Canada. It was clear on the way home that many people only had
their driver's licenses. My partner and I each had birth
certificates and driver's licenses and got through much quicker
than most people got through.
Now, having said that, both the requirement for the birth
certificate and the passport are silly. A driver's license will do,
but asking for another document doesn't hurt. The reason that it is
silly? All of the said documents are relatively easily forged. Not
to mention that there should be some sort of cost/benefit analysis
of this tactic and perhaps refine it so that it is A) effective and
B) less burdensome on the innocent citizens and companies that hire
the lawmakers and border patrols.
I dunno. I have a hard time getting het up over requiring a passport at the border of the country. I find it more galling to have to show a drivers license to get on a damn plane within the US. Plenty of people who have no right to be in the US have a valid US drivers license. But showing ID at the airport doesn't do a damn bit of good.
I have a passport, but would my birth certificate do me any good? Considering it's Egyptian (I have a translated one) and my citizenship isn't designated as American on it (I'm naturalized), I think I'm forced to use my passport.
Isaac,
Same here, though there was this one time when I crossed into with
a group of my cousins in their dad's SUV on the way to the
"Canadian ballet" for a bachelor party. If I remember correctly
Canada was annoyed about something at the time and was checking
vehicles closey. Had to pull over and sit through a full inspection
of the vehicle. Nothing came of it except to waste our time. But
that was worst experience I ever had in crossing.
I think this idea sucks. Yeah, you really need nothing to get in
and out of Canada right now. The only trouble I ever had at the
border did not relate to ID, but to pot seeds on the dashboard of a
friend's truck. We were very lucky not to have been harassed by
Americans, who would certainly have locked us up in doublesecret
detention, but by Canadians who simply questioned us for an hour
about whether there were serious quantities of pot in the truck. Of
course there weren't, or we would have stayed home and smoked it.
They said they were going to get a dog to search the truck, but at
the last minute decided not to. They were just bored. Of course, if
it had been American customs, we certainly would have been
convicted of Federal possession just for the seeds. In the future,
be more careful, that's a lesson I learned.
But ID? The Canadians have never given a crap about ID. Everyone
here who says that the drivers license isn't proof of citizenship
is overthinking it. Yeah, the license doesn't prove citizenship.
But most Americans don't know that. I didn't even know that until I
went to graduate school with foreign nationals of resident alien
status who had licenses indistinguishable from mine. So if you show
them the license, speak like an Anglo native of one of the border
regions (which I am), and insist that it's a license, what more do
you want? They'll let you through. Every single time.
These days I sometimes drive from the East Coast to Detroit and go
through Canada. Cross at Niagara during rush hour, they don't want
to see any papers at all. No time. Where you going? Detroit.
Stopping in Canada? To buy gasoline, maybe. Go ahead.
And on the way in, all Detroit customs ever wants to know is
whether that's really my car, and do I get nervous if they start
tapping on the trunk with a stick? I think they're checking for
illegal immigrants stuffed in there or something. There never are,
unless I've unknowingly picked some up at a service plaza. But I
never get asked for proof of citizenship, or if I do I just offer
the license again and look confused. No problems, not ever.
So this is a very serious change here. Your typical Detroit native
does not even know what proper ID would be, let alone have it. And
the Canadians probably don't either. Making people carry passports
(that expire! and cost money!) could seriously screw crossborder
shopping and entertainment. And you know, I don't know if perimeter
security is even worth a crap for stopping terror anyway. That
border is long. The real terrorists can just cross in the woods
somewhere in the thousands of miles that nobody lives in.
So, maybe I'm late to the party on this one, but I just read
that Tom Ridge is on the board of directors of a company that makes
RFID devices for the US military.
I'm sure it's purely a coincidence that the former Secretary of
Homeland Security is on the board of a company that could earn
substantial profits from this new homeland security policy.
I have never set foot in an international air terminal without a
passport in hand, regardless of where I was going. So I guess if
you live someplace where going to Canada involves boarding an
airplane, then yeah, the rules would be the same.
But for those of us who live (or used to live) within easy driving
distance of the Canadian border, crossing with only a drivers
license (and frequently crossing without even being asked for that)
was a routine experience.
Sure, _technically_ they might have insisted on proof of
citizenship, but I never saw it actually _happen_ to an American or
Canadian citizen until after 9/11. And there was a period of
several years when trips to Canada were a weekly experience for
me.
Mo
Don't you have a naturalization certificate issued by the US
govt.
Actually most Americans seem quite ignorant of citizenship laws. A
lot, for example, do not realize that a lot of foreigners live in
the US as resident aliens and have no interest in obtaining US
citizenship. When you spend much of your life living outside the
US, marry a non-citizen and have children born in both countries
you get a pretty good education on the subject.
As I said, the law has always required proof of
citizenship (birth cert., naturalization cert. or passport).
It's just that until recently it has rarely been requested.
I'm not sure but I believe the govt issues some kind of document
for US citizens who were born to US citizen parents outside the
US.
Yes, the U.S.
Department of State issues a Certificate of Birth Abroad or a U.S.
embassy can issue a Report of Birth Abroad of a United States
Citizen.
Thank you.
I did know they issue Certificate of Death Abroad or a Report of
Death Abroad of a United States Citizen, since my father died in
Canada. It was necessary to close out his VA benefits.
Minor point, this work is actually done by
Consulates.
There is a Consulate in every Embassy but they are also
located in major cities all over the world (not just
capitals).
Consulates are business offices in a way, and are not, like
embassies, the territory of the Govt that owns them. Consuls and
Vice-Consuls enjoy only limited diplomatic immunity.
When you travel internationally, you are well-advised to be aware
of the closest US Mission (either consulate or embassy) along your
route.
Every single time I crossed the border into the US ( I am
Canadian) as the passenger in a car I was completely ignored by
customs. Not only did I not need ID, I didn't even need to claim
not to be a KGB agent. Although admittedly the last time was quite
awhile ago (well before 9/11) and I am extremely white
looking.
Simon Blackstone
Actually one place where I do remember going thru a lot of shit
crossing the border was on the Greyhound bus. For some reason
agents on both sides of the border have all kinds of time to go
over bus passengers.
On the other hand the times that I crossed on the train were a
breeze. Because the inspection was done on the go, as it were. I'm
not sure if there is a train acros the US-Canada border any
more.
I've never had to show a license or *anything* when driving
across the US/Canadian border (last time I did it was March 2004).
But flying across, well, that's like flying across a real border,
with passport checks and everything. I always have my passport
either way.
My wife grew up in a town right on the Maine-New Brunswick border,
where crossing the border was as remarkable as crossing the street.
It's a poor town - she says she wouldn't be surprised if zero
percent of the population already has a passport (her dad never had
one and still doesn't have one). The new passport rules are going
to be quite onerous for the large families that are now going to
have to shell out hundreds of dollars just so they can go about
their business like they always have.
Today, not only did my hometown paper
[URL=http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/April/07/edit/stories/01edit.htm]endorse
the new passport policy,[/URL] it actually called for
implementation of national IDs. The paper did admit that such
mechanisms involved reductions in liberty, but asked "is that
really so much to pay for increased security?" I was so disgusted,
I almost lost my breakfast.
Three questions not asked or answered by the Santa Cruz so-called
"Sentinel":
1. Will the passport policy and the national ID card actually
increase security, or are they effectively just placebos, more
useful in controlling the domestic population than hampering
foreign terrorists?
2. What ELSE besides the cards themselves will be necessary to
implement a "national ID" scheme that can have any effectiveness at
all? Barriers and checkpoints? Random pedestrian and traffic stops
to ask for ID? Requirement to show national ID when paying for
travel arrangements or other targeted purchases?
3. Are there any alternative approaches that would make us safer
from terrorism without making us less free?
Failing to ask, much less answer, such questions as these is, in my
opinion, an abuse of First Amendment Press Freedom which will help
insure that, eventually, the First Amendment will also be given up
as a "small price to pay" for increased security that never
materializes.
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