Matt Welch | April 1, 2005
I'll be on San Antonio's KTSA AM 550 at 12:35 local time, talking with Brad Messer about those missing Abu Ghraib photos. UPDATE: Scratch that. The Pope died. UPDATE 2: At least, that's what they told me. Drudge has that, too, but the TV doesn't.
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Apparently, there were contradictory reports from Italian news
agencies.
One of them claimed the Pope's heart had stopped beating and that
he had stopped breathing only to come back a few minutes later and
say that his kidneys had failed.
...Watching the news on television it feels like watching the
townswomen in Zorba the Greek--all waiting for that woman to die
with greedy anticipation. ...This makes it look like that all the
more. Those news people over there all want to be the first to
scoop--it's ghastly.
...Live! ...from the Vatican! It's Campbell Brown with Death Watch
2005!...
I'd rather hear what Matt has to say about missing Abu Gharib
photos.
Ken i'd like to know how many people other than you give a damn about those photos
"Ken i'd like to know how many people other than you give a damn
about those photos"
I do.
What purpose can be served by more morbid introspection.We've seen enough to sicken us all. Further exposure just serves to arm our enemies.
"What purpose can be served by more morbid
introspection.We've seen enough to sicken us all. Further exposure
just serves to arm our enemies."
The stain on our national character will only be removed when
everyone responsible is dragged out into the light and punished
according to the law.
...Has that happened already?
Chesty asked:
What purpose can be served by more morbid
introspection?
Maybe further shame and humiliation among the American people, so
that further steps are taken to prevent (or punish, as needed)
future incidents. Gandhi and his crew shamed the British into
leaving India. Maybe Abu Ghraib can shame us Americans into making
our government believe we don't support torture and abuse.
I personally can't stomach violence very well at all, but I care about the photos, because I think an informed populace is essential to freedom. (I just don't want to see them, as an aside).
But smacky, we must protect you, so we can't let anyone see those photos. What if a child saw one? Or what if some misguided friend of yours, trying to promote "freedom", showed one to you not knowing you didn't want to see them? Wouldn't you rather we went ahead and protected you from yourself and from your misguided "friends"?
So those photos are important for Americans to see to understand the situation in the middle east, but the pictures of people jumping from the World Trade Center are not?
Who said that, NK? Certainly not I, because I see nothing wrong
with making horrible pictures available to those who'd like to see
them.
Not that I advocate shoving them into people's faces, either.
"Ken i'd like to know how many people other than you give a damn
about those photos"
Add me to the list. As far as I'm concerned those photos deserve
more attention than the Pope, Michael Jackson, and Terri Schiavo
put together.
I also care about the photos; if they're made public then if nothing else it'll be that much harder for sophist bastards to insist that what we're doing over there "isn't really torture."
People help me out here, I didn't take Latin. When they have a new pope, the Vatican issues a statement that says Habum Papum, right?
I don't care about the photos, the pope, Terri, Michael Jackson
or Johnny Cochrane.
I do care that Sunday is Red Sox @ Yankees, though.
Dead. Not dead. You'd think the Pope could die without becoming a Monty Python skit.
Doug, the Latin is Habemus Papum: "We have a
pope."
All the Popetastic trivia you could want @
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11456a.htm and highlighted
links.
Kevin
Apostate ex-altar boy.
As far as the Pope goes...Reuters reported him dead hours ago but the Vatican denies it and Reuters has pulled back. It wouldn't surprise me if he has died but they were waiting for the various VIPs to arrive before the official announcement. On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me if Reuters was in error. They claimed Arafat was dead 2 days early. Gotta love the accuracy!
Ken,stain on our national character?I think you give thede photos too much importance.
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