Nick Gillespie | March 5, 2005
Over at the Wall Street Journal, Reason Contributing Editor Michael Young--the editorial page chief at Lebanon's Daily Star--lays out the dilemma of the Syrian strongman who suddenly isn't as strong as he used to be:
Expectations of a liberal opening have been neutralized by the president's need to consolidate his authority. This is Mr. Assad's dilemma: to effect economic and political reform he needs more power; but in accumulating power, he becomes more of an autocrat.
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Isn't a prerequisite of being a middle eastern strongman is
being, well, strong?
How come there's no heads rolling or dogs drinking blood in the
gutters of Damascus? Where's the ruthlessness?
Political reform requires Assad to have more power .... isn't his power the problem that needs reforming?
Isn't a prerequisite of being a middle eastern strongman is
being, well, strong?
They've been strong with external props. The Europeans have become
irrelevant, the Russians can't prop as could the Soviets and the
U.S. is volte-face its former propping against the Soviets and
Islamic fundamentalists.
"Expectations of a liberal opening have been neutralized by
the president's need to consolidate his authority."
I read the piece, and this reference still isn't clear to me. Who
had "expectations of a liberal opening" in Syria?
"Given their mindset, the Syrians are understandably
confused. In the 1980s, Mr. Assad's father plotted or winked at
deadly attacks against Americans, particularly in Lebanon. For his
efforts he was rewarded with political recognition and the
admiration of Washington "realists," agog with the man's
cunning."
Please consider the following a request for information rather than
a challenge: When Mr. Young refers to "realists" here, to whom is
he referring and in what context?
Syria Preserves Human Rights
Washington, March 1 (SANA)
The U.S. State Department talked about the Syrian constitution that
achieved equality between the man and the woman in the field of
work, pointing to the protection extended by the Syrian law to
children.
In a report on human rights, the Secretary of State talked about
free education in Syria in all stages, pointing out that education
from ages 6 to 12 is compulsory.
The report also stressed that the Syrian government provides health
service to all children under the age of 18, adding that Syrian law
was strict against children abuse "It is rare to notice cases of
child prostitution or trafficking of sex workers across borders in
Syria'" it said.
It noted that Syrian law bans discrimination against the
handicapped, offers them protection and seeks to include them in
society and the workplace.
Regarding religious freedom and ethnic minority, the report said
the Syrian government allows those minorities to practice their
religious, social and cultural activities.
I'm just trying to improve our score on the UN HDI. I'm doing
it for the children of Syria, for they are our future.
Bashar
Well, Mr. Kissinger--and before I start, may I say that IMHO I
think you give a bad name to pragmatists everywhere--my
understanding is that you brokered the disengagement agreement in
1974.
It seems to me that many among those who have supported the Bush
Administration's foreign policy seem to divorce your many
"accomplishments" from context--almost as if the Cold War never
happened. Wasn't Syria a Soviet ally back in '80s? Indeed, didn't
Syria sign a 20 year treaty of friendship and cooperation with the
USSR in 1980?
...I'm certainly no master of such things, but, I looked it up, and
didn't the Reagan Administration break off relations with Syria in
1986 and impose sanctions because of Syria's state sponsorship of
terrorism? Excuse me, but I'm tryin' to put the "recognition and
admiration" in context; you understand, right?
P.S. Also, Mr. Kissinger, while we're talking about your
"achievements" out of context, doesn't the U.S. incursion into
Cambodia look, in retrospect, like the good neoconservative thing
to do?
Haw Haw Haw Ken
What an insight you have attained to...the invasion of Iraq was an
invasion, right? Therefore it must be like other invasions,
altogether.
Aw shucks! We know that you're just a fundamentally simple guy, who
- in his own childish but shrewd fashion - stumbles on to nugatory
wisdoms.
Keep it up Ken. And when, by the end of the year, the entire Mid
East is on the same sheet of music, you can say that if it was up
to you, it never would have happened (we could be chasing
bin-Ladin, or something) - because we're never supposed to use our
army...except under circumstances where we're never likely to have
to.
And when, by the end of the year, the entire Mid East is on
the same sheet of music
Andrew-
Genuine question here: If indeed the overthrow of Saddam Hussein is
the main force behind the latest positive events in the Middle
East, and if you are right and the good news continues to roll in
(I sure hope so, for the record), why didn't the defeat of the
Taliban touch off liberalization movements in Western Asia/Central
Asia/whatever the appropriate name is?
Why haven't the Pakistani liberals been more successful in rolling
back the power of Musharraf while containing the fundamentalists?
Why are the formerly Soviet stans still under fairly oppressive
regimes? Indeed, they have not only had the example of Afghanistan,
they've also had the recent example of Ukraine, another former
Soviet Republic.
I guess what I'm asking is why the Democratic Domino Theory works
in some places but not others.
because we're never supposed to use our army...except under
circumstances where we're never likely to have to.
Whatever the merits of the Democratic Domino Theory (and I'm movin
from confirmed unbeliever to cautious skeptic, if that makes you
feel any better), you sound like a kid who sees his father's gun
and says "Aw, why can't we take it out and play?"
Guns aren't toys and neither are armies. You can do practice
exercises with them as much as you want, but real world uses should
be few and far between, and should be unsought (well, there's
hunting, but that's a little different). Anybody who goes out with
the purpose of finding an excuse to use a gun (except deer, ducks,
geese, etc.) is far to dangerous to be trusted with a gun, and
anybody who goes around looking for reasons to use an army is
likewise way too dangerous to be trusted with power.
thoreau,
That the Democratic Domino Theory is dubious at best is also
well-demonstrated by Latin America and Africa, regions that have,
for the last 50 years, always had several functioning democracies
in them at any given time, but still saw authoritarian regimes
repeatedly rise to power. And let's not even speak of Haiti....
Oh, SR, let's not let facts get in the way of praising the Dear Leader! We've got an army to use, now let's use it!
In reference to Reverse Domino Theory, I'm obviously still a
skeptic. I'm still waiting for an explantion as to how it works. So
far, I've seen semi-claims that it's a function of television
(Tipper Gore must be beside herself with glee.) and then a bunch of
post hoc ergo propter hoc stuff.
...oh yeah, and then someone calls me a racist for askin'.
Ken, why don't you and your fellow klansmen do something
constructive and donate some televisions to villages in Uzbekistan,
instead of complaining about our efforts to free the oppressed
people of the world?
(just kidding, obviously)
If it makes you feel any better thoreau, I do expect to see a
lot of movement in the 'Stans, and I will credit elections in
Afghanistan (as well, Iraq) for much of it. Though it must be
confessed, that democratic experiments have been underway in the
larger Caucusus region - most notably in Georgia (and Russia should
get a mention) - and will probably have been more important.
In Pakistan, I believe Musharif, if he otherwise felt able to do
it, could likely run on the record of his recent choices, and
easily trounce ANY opponents, far and square. His problem, I
believe, is with his own security apparatus.
If you wanted a puzzler for me, thoreau, you might have asked why
Pakistan remained in despotism for most of its history, while
neighboring India has been largely democratic. Cultural rift lines
supply part of the answer, perhaps - as well, that Pakistan defined
itself as a Moslem redoubt - but I also believe that the
unwillingness of the Indian regime to heed democratic outcomes in
Kashmir has done much to discredit their example.
"Why haven't the Pakistani liberals been more successful in
rolling back the power of Musharraf while containing the
fundamentalists?"
While the defeat of the Taliban didn't do much for pro-democracy
forces in Pakistan, some Pakistanis I've talked with, and others
that I've read, have said that the event marked a turning point in
halting the advance of Islamism as a political force in the
country, both with regards to domestic and foreign policy. Clearly
Pakistan still has its hands full when it comes to dealing with the
influence of Islamists in both politics and civil society, but
there are credible signs that the country is making tenative steps
in the right direction.
"In Pakistan, I believe Musharif, if he otherwise felt able to
do it, could likely run on the record of his recent choices, and
easily trounce ANY opponents, far and square."
Maybe, but I think it's safe to say that the reason for his
unwillingness to hold a real election has little to do with a
belief that it would be unnecessary.
"I also believe that the unwillingness of the Indian regime to heed
democratic outcomes in Kashmir has done much to discredit their
example."
India did meddle a lot in Kashmiri elections in the '80s, and to
some extent before, but their record over the last decade or so
hasn't been bad. The problem over their legitimacy now has more to
do with low turnout in the Valley.
As for the influence of Indian political maneuvering in Kashmir on
Pakistani politics, I suspect it's negligible at best. Pakistan was
run by military dictatorships long before the Kashmiri insurgency
caught fire, while the country experienced a spell as a democracy
during some of the insurgency's initial years.
Eric II
I meant to say, that the LARGER question of Kashmir has always been
an affront to Pakistan, since Independence. Kinda similar to the
creation of Israel, it empowered revanchists for generations.
As far as I know, the Indian constitution has been observed inside
Kashmir, but from the beginning most Kashmiris would have preferred
a Moslem state - either independence, or union with Pakistan.
When I sampled some English-language Hindu nationalist web-sites a
while ago, I was astonished to hear the same analysis, over and
over: the successive governments of India have used hanging on to
Kashmir as a hollow issue to distract Indians from their own lame
performance; Kashmir isn't worth the grief for India, and only
empowered bin-Ladin with a quasi-legitimate issue, and a fifth
column inside India; India should just gift Kashmir to pakistan,
and get about India's business.
I think they're right...and if these are the Hindu Nationalists
talking, it may just happen.
"I meant to say, that the LARGER question of Kashmir has always
been an affront to Pakistan, since Independence. Kinda similar to
the creation of Israel, it empowered revanchists for
generations."
Yeah, Pakistani leaders have used the Kashmir issue at times in the
same cynical way that many Arab leaders have used the
Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But I would still posit that, with
the exception of times of full-blown war, it hasn't been the
leading factor behind the stifling of democratic impulses within
Pakistan. I think the power and influence of the Army as an
institution within Pakistani society has clearly been the largest
factor.
"When I sampled some English-language Hindu nationalist web-sites a
while ago, I was astonished to hear the same analysis..."
That's not surprising, if you think about it. The Hindu
nationalists - the fanatical ones, anyway - want to turn India into
a Hindu state in much the same way that Pakistan is currently an
Islamic state. So it goes to reason that many of them don't care to
have anything to do with a predominantly-Muslim region such as the
Kashmir Valley. As a result, support for letting go of Kashmir is
often higher with them than it is with the Indian populace at
large.
Read the mainstream English-language Indian publications, and
you'll find much less support for this point-of-view, though there
is a lot of support for granting the Kashmir Valley full autonomy
in non-defense matters. This unwillingness to grant Kashmir actual
independence doesn't stem merely from nationalist impulses, but
also from a belief that doing so would undermine the notion of
India as a secular state, and a belief that granting independence
would likely stoke numerous seperatist movements that currently
exist in predominantly-Hindu parts of the country.
"the successive governments of India have used hanging on to
Kashmir as a hollow issue to distract Indians from their own lame
performance"
I think they have India confused with Pakistan here. Dim bulbs
within the Indian government have been much more prone to blame
Western "imperialists" for the country's problems over the years
than Pakistan, though that phenomenon has been dying out as of
late.
"India should just gift Kashmir to pakistan"
I don't think most Kashmiris would be pleased with that.
Pro-independence sentiment is pretty strong in the Valley, but the
percentage of people who want to join Pakistan is much lower, with
the violence wrought by Pakistani-supported insurgents having
soured many Kashmiris on the idea. The recent agreement to restart
bus services between the Indian and Pakistani-occupied parts of
Kashmir will probably end up souring them even more.
Since this has just sort of segued into a discussion of Kashmir,
let's say that India just turned Kashmir loose and made them
independent. Without a guarantee of security by India, Pakistan
would just take the place over.
So even an "independent" Kashmir would still be dependent on India
for defense if it wanted to remain "independent." Which sounds more
like greater autonomy within a federal system rather than actual
independence. In the end, I suspect that the only options for
Kashmir are outright rule by India, outright rule by Pakistan, or
division between the 2. Complete Independence doesn't seem
possible. Desirable in principle, maybe (I'll let those with a
stronger opinion argue over that one), but not feasible.
"So even an "independent" Kashmir would still be dependent on
India for defense if it wanted to remain "independent.""
That's another way of looking at it. It's inevitable that any
independence agreement would include India maintaining the right to
intervene militarily if Pakistan invaded. And if the
Pakistani-controlled parts were made independent, the converse
would hold.
"In the end, I suspect that the only options for Kashmir are
outright rule by India, outright rule by Pakistan, or division
between the 2."
I think the most likely endgame will be something close to what was
suggested in a New York Times Op-Ed about a year ago. India and
Pakistan will each retain military control of the parts of Kashmir
that they currently possess, but the entire area will otherwise be
an autonomous state, with its own constitution and elected
government. Some kind of deal will be worked out to allow for the
free movement of goods and people across the line-of-control,
perhaps with the aid of Kashmiri identity cards (the "travel
permits" set to be issued to Kashmiris for the bus service are a
step in this direction). There will probably be provisions in the
constitution to protect the rights of ethnic and religious
minorities (the latter including Shias along with Hindus), and to
allow for the return of Hindus who were expelled from the Valley
about 15 years ago.
Such a resolution wouldn't sit well with the hardliners on either
side, but it wouldn't cross the red line of either faction (the
redrawing of national borders), and would probably be acceptable to
most Kashmiris as long as it brought peace and stability, and
minority rights were protected.
The plus side of turning Kashmir over to Pakistan is a dramatic change in the composition of the Pakistani electorate - millions of new voters accustomed to the political rights and secular tolerance enjoyed by Indian citizens...and also more affluent, on average, than most Pakistanis. Huge prestige boost for Musharif, too...and it deprives the Islamists of their one issue.
So, I was just reading about how we're sending suspects to
foreign countries to be tortured...um, I mean, subjected to
harmless fraternity pranks. This way the US gov't can maintain that
it doesn't torture people. Most of the countries doing our dirty
work are in the Middle East, and include Syria (to get a little bit
closer to the topic at hand).
This raises the obvious question: If the region really does
liberalize, to whom will we outsource torture? China? (Yet another
example of those damn Asians taking our jobs via outsourcing.)
I might suggest South Korea thoreau, but, using Andrew's
audacious logic, I suppose we should turn South Korea over to North
Korea.
...Then we'll give Cyprus to Turkey, Taiwain to China, Ukraine to
Russia, Rwanda to Congo and Grenada to Cuba.
Let's hope nobody gives the United States away.
"The plus side of turning Kashmir over to Pakistan is a dramatic
change in the composition of the Pakistani electorate - millions of
new voters accustomed to the political rights and secular tolerance
enjoyed by Indian citizens"
9 million people added to a population of over 140 million doesn't
amount to a "dramatic change". And while India does have a better
record of respecting political freedoms than Pakistan, Pakistan
isn't exactly North Korea in this regard.
"and also more affluent, on average, than most Pakistanis"
Considering the Jammu & Kashmir is one of India's poorest
states, and that India's per capita income is only about 20% higher
than Pakistan's, the opposite is likely true.
"and it deprives the Islamists of their one issue"
The Islamists have plenty of other issues.
You appeared to completely ignore my comment, meanwhile, that most
Kashmiris would prefer independence (and barring that, autonomy)
relative to union with Pakistan. Even Musharraf appears resigned to
this fact, as evidenced by the proposals he floated regarding
Kashmiri independence (accompanied by demilitarization).
Ken I would cheerfully do everything the OPPOSITE of what you
suggested: turn NK over to the South: Cyprus to Greece; China to
Taiwan...etc.
Neither the US, or the UN, has had ANY success in the post WWII
world, trying to be impartial. That was just the dumb model put out
by the first generation of post-European-Empire "experts", and it
has clearly failed.
Except in rare cases, the US doesn't need to FORCE anybody to do
anything...but why NOT take sides?
Eric II
I don't mean to ignore Kasmiri independence...but I'm not entirely
sure what to make of it. I asked pakistani (liberal) friends of
mine, and they confessed that they weren't certain, either way -
whether Kasmiris really want independence, or whether they think it
is the only formula India would accept. I sensed that their
professed uncertainty was genuine. I understand that the
post-Independence referrenda opted for union with pakistan...but
that may hve been the only option offerred, and things may have
changed.
Eric II
Are you "ignoring" my point about the prestige boost for
Musharif?
Apart from Kashmir, I can't see where Islamists have "lots" of
other issues, safe for the back-to-the-8th-century stuff they
peddle everywhere...and that never seems to have a real following
when the lights get turned on.
I think the following of Islamists under tyranny is sytematically
over-estimated by observers, in the same way the following of
hard-core Marxists was, during the Cold War. You can't really
measure public opinion in third world dictatorships, and Islamist
(like communists) gain prestige by opposing the regime.
But communists all but evaporated in post-dictator Spain and
Portugal...and Islamists in post-dictator Bengla-Desh.
"they confessed that they weren't certain, either way - whether
Kasmiris really want independence"
Then they clearly haven't been looking at the opinion polls and
on-the-ground analyses that have been done for the Valley. The
"everyone should leave us alone" mentality is pretty strong right
now.
"I understand that the post-Independence referrenda opted for union
with pakistan"
No referendum was ever held. The UN proposed one in 1948, but for a
myriad of reasons, it never happened.
"Are you "ignoring" my point about the prestige boost for
Musharif?"
Do you seriously think that a "prestige boost" for a dictator
justifies overlooking the aspirations of 9 million Kashmiris, not
to mention the political complications that would arise for India
as a result of its religious and ethnic tensions? Again, the fact
that Musharraf has given up on the idea of sole Pakistani control
of Kashmir should tell you something.
"But communists all but evaporated in post-dictator Spain and
Portugal...and Islamists in post-dictator Bengla-Desh."
The Islamists have made a comeback in Bangladesh. They might not be
on the verge of taking over the country, but they are a significant
political force today. Dysfunctional, corrupt, economically
incompetent democracies can breed Marxist and religious extremist
movements almost as easily as dictatorships. India is a pretty good
example of this.
First he says:
because we're never supposed to use our army...except under circumstances where we're never likely to have to.
Comment by: Andrew at March 5, 2005 04:38 PM
Then he says:
The plus side of turning Kashmir over to Pakistan is a dramatic change in the composition of the Pakistani electorate - millions of new voters accustomed to the political rights and secular tolerance enjoyed by Indian citizens...and also more affluent, on average, than most Pakistanis. Huge prestige boost for Musharif, too...and it deprives the Islamists of their one issue.
Comment by: Andrew at March 6, 2005 03:42 PM
Finally, he says:
Except in rare cases, the US doesn't need to FORCE anybody to do anything...but why NOT take sides?
Comment by: Andrew at March 6, 2005 05:28 PM
What we have here is somebody who regards the world as a tinker-toy
set. You can just take it and shape it and make things that you
want out of it. It's yours to play with so be creative!
The world isn't like that, Andrew. Or at least it hasn't been in
the past. Maybe this time it's different, and Democratic Domino
Theory will work. If so, it will be a drastic departure from past
form.
We cannot shape the world to be as we would like it to be. The best
we can do is engage in peaceful commerce and defend ourselves when
fucked with.
See Washington, George.
Dysfunctional, corrupt, economically incompetent democracies can breed Marxist and religious extremist movements almost as easily as dictatorships. India is a pretty good example of this.
Comment by: Eric II at March 6, 2005 06:34 PM
Very good point. Dysfunctional, corrupt, and economically
incompetent democracies can also breed popular support for
illiberal strongmen who do nasty things inside their borders and
support nasty people outside their borders.
Russia is a classic example of this.
"What we have here is somebody who regards the world as a
tinker-toy set. You can just take it and shape it and make things
that you want out of it. It's yours to play with so be
creative!"
That's what I saw too--it looks to me like the foreign policy
equivalent of central planning.
A follow-up question on Democratic Domino Theory:
Let's say that DDT lives up to expectations. Why wasn't this
brilliant foreign policy insight revealed to the American public
during the debate before the invasion? Yes, I know, it wasn't
exactly kept as a state secret, but it was hardly front and center.
Looking back at the public speeches of the Bush admin, the case
was, in order of emphasis from most to least:
1) WMD--If Saddam does not disarm and demonstrate it to the world
then we'll invade
2) Saddam sponsors terror. OK, maybe not Al Qaeda, the group that
recently attacked the US, the group whose leaders remain at large
and an urgent threat, but still. There's a War on Terror and we
must remain on offense rather than fall back to defense.
3) Saddam is generally a bad guy and removing him from power would
be a noble deed.
4) Something about DDT.
Now the order of emphasis has been reversed. Why wasn't DDT front
and center? What were the DDT theorists ashamed of?
Now, maybe it's because DDT was just an unknown back then, so it
couldn't get top billing. But if DDT is working so well and is a
big star winning awards (DDT would like to thank the Academy...),
will DDT get top billing before the next war?
Eric
it is my understanding that referenda were held, and the results
ignored by India...but I could be wrong.
I thought you and thoreau had worked out between you that real
Kasmiri independence was impossible? In that case, why are you so
anxious to maintain Indian sovereignty, if those Kasmiris would
likely prefer Pakistani rule, given the forced choice?
thoreau
Absent the sort of provocation that would have caused ANY American
president to go to war ANY time since 1945, I don't believe this
Administration, or any successor is especially apt to be using
American soldiers for any more major missions. Iraq was a unique
situation, brought about by Saddam's defiance of treaty obligations
- which is why his defiance, and the unknowns they posed (were
INTENDED to pose) - received so much emphasis at the time....We
have been over this about a thousand times, and you still play at
being abtuse!
Absent the crisis in Iraq, I don't believe this Administration
would have committed the US to a regime change in Iraq, or anywhere
else, after 9/11. But otherwise, the change in US policy toward
Democratic Transgormation, in the Mid East and globally, would have
followed 9/11...and possibly, in any case.
The real follow-up to the Cold War should have been to finish the
transformation of the world to a global capitalism...not to coccoon
until the next long, debilitating challenge: let's put "history"
behind us!
BTW Eric
In Bengla Desh, I understand that the Islamists - after being
patronised by one of the two major parties during the 90's - have
since been shunned...and aren't faring at all well, now.
There is at least one alternative for the administration of
Kashmir that thoreau didn't contemplate, because it is
very obscure. The Pacific Island state of Vanuatu
(independent since 1980) was colonized by both French and British
settlers. Rather than go to war over these rocks, the Limeys and
Crapauds came up with a joint administration, known to
those who kept their eyes and ears open in Comparative Politics
class as "The Anglo-French Condominium of the New
Hebrides/Nouvelles-Hebrides."
Potted history here:
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinations/pacific/vanuatu/history.htm
New Hebrides' flags here:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/vu_nh.html
A similar Indo-Pakistani agreement, sharing nominal sovereignty
while letting the Kashmiris run their own affairs, is probably much
too sensible to emerge from this long contentious mess.
Kevin
"Iraq was a unique situation, brought about by Saddam's defiance
of treaty obligations"
Sadly, no! At the time, the invasion of Iraq was sold to the
American people as a "pre-emptive/preventive war" against a country
that threatened the United States with WMD-based terror attacks,
under the new Bush Doctrine first outlined in the 2002 defense
policy review.
"it is my understanding that referenda were held, and the
results ignored by India...but I could be wrong"
You are wrong. For a number of reasons that I don't have time to go
into now, the referendum was never held. BTW, it is not correct to
assume that the result of a referendum in 1947 would inevitably
have been pro-pakistan. Several provinces of India, some now in
Pakistan, were actually disposed against partition. Of course,
there were other regions, including hindu majority ones, that were
against joining India, too. But what's stunning is the new-fangled
theory that Kashmir is the root-cause of dictatorship in Pakistan
!! It looks like the domino-theory, having worked its way in the
ME, is now travelling backwards in time to change history !
"In Bengla Desh, I understand that the Islamists - after being
patronised by one of the two major parties during the 90's - have
since been shunned...and aren't faring at all well, now."
Say what !? That's the opposite of what's currently happening. The
NYTime's Magazine had a long article on the growth of
fundamentalism in Bangladesh. In fact, the fundamentalists are
allied with the ruling party.
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