Are We Headed for a Fight with China?

Tensions and disagreements may be inevitable, but military clashes and all-out war are not.

SHANGHAI -- The Soviet Union is gone, al-Qaida is decimated, and Iran may never acquire nuclear weapons. But don't get too relaxed. If you're looking for reasons to be anxious about world peace, China offers an abundance.

It's a huge country with a growing economy, an expanding military and ongoing disputes with several neighbors. Nationalist sentiment has grown. China is a rising power, and history indicates that rising powers often assert themselves in ways that lead to bloodshed.

If you demand immediate evidence, look only to the South China Sea, where the Chinese are locked in an ominous standoff with the Philippines over fishing rights. The Obama administration recently underlined its worries by announcing it would deploy up to 2,500 Marines in Australia. As the longtime dominant nation in the Pacific, the United States has much to lose if China decides to mount a challenge.

Pessimism is a perfectly reasonable response to China's rise. It would not be surprising if it acts to become as dominant in its region as we are in ours. But in pondering the issue on a visit to China, I've found some reasons for hope as well. Tensions and disagreements may be inevitable, but military clashes and all-out war are not.

One encouraging fact is that the Chinese people are not naturally hostile to the United States. Shanghai pollster Victor Yuan told a group of journalists that included me, "Aside from politics, Chinese have a fully positive view of the United States."

American multinational corporations, he says, are regarded as good places to work. Western movies, music and consumer products are popular. Some 130,000 Chinese students are enrolled in the U.S.

It's true that, as Yuan says, the Chinese people rank the U.S. second among China's foes—with first place going to Japan. But how much of this reflects Chinese belligerence and how much stems from our habit of invading other countries is hard to gauge.

In a candid, free-flowing session with a couple of dozen students at Peking University—the country's most prestigious—I asked if there are times when they feel angry toward the United States. Not one hand went up. Nor did any expect that America will help Taiwan break away from the mainland, which would undoubtedly be cause for war.

That consensus seems to be the prevailing view here. Yuan told us that 90 percent of Chinese expect the reunification with Taiwan to be accomplished peacefully.

Taiwan, which is part of China in theory but functionally independent, is the issue that could push the U.S. and China into a shooting war. But it always has been—and the two sides have been able to keep it from mushrooming out of control. The Economist magazine reports that "relations across the strait have never been better."

Any assessment of the potential danger posed by China ought to incorporate its past behavior. MIT political scientist M. Taylor Fravel points out that since 1949, Beijing has settled 17 of its 23 territorial disputes. In most, it has offered significant compromises, "usually receiving less than 50 percent of the contested land."

"Over the past decade," he testified recently on Capitol Hill, "China has not used its armed forces to actively enforce its claims." Nor has it invented new claims to match its growing wealth and power.

Come to think of it, China hasn't fought a war since 1979. Its record is an encouraging contrast with that of the U.S., which has entered several wars of choice.

The Chinese have found that pushing their agenda can be counterproductive. When China acts assertively, its neighbors tend to seek safety in the arms of Uncle Sam. The Beijing government may have learned something from the experience of Germany—which has gained a dominant role in Europe by being careful not to revive old fears.

China has followed that model in many respects, signing some 250 multilateral agreements, joining the World Trade Organization and taking part in United Nations peacekeeping operations. It's been generally supportive of international norms that mandate peaceful resolution of differences. It hasn't pursued drastic changes or used drastic measures.

That could change. Past results, we all know, are no guarantee of future performance. But peace has held so far, and it just might keep doing so.

Steve Chapman blogs daily at newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/steve_chapman.

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  • Whiterun Guard||

    "China has followed that model in many respects, signing some 250 multilateral agreements, joining the World Trade Organization and taking part in United Nations peacekeeping operations. Its been generally supportive of international norms that mandate peaceful resolution of differences. It hasnt pursued drastic changes or used drastic measures."

    In other words: They are plotting something.

  • ||

    Red Winter is coming?

  • ||

    Oh dear! I'd better brush up on my Mandarin and order an extra A-7 from take-out. To think I wasted time learning Finnish instead of Russk.

    Boy, is my face read. Err, red.

  • ||

    did you really learn Finnish? I'm thinking of going there at the end of this year, and the only word I know is Perkule, which is too damn rude to drop into conversation

  • ||

    No. I learned Russk instead; but at least you are learning the language properly. You started with the naughty bits.

  • Suki||

    So you never finnished it?

  • ||

    China's secret weapon

  • db||

    I surrender!

  • ||

    Odd. I could have sworn it was this. I seem to remember something about those Tide bandits...

  • AlmightyJB||

    It's about time we did something about them peeing in our coke.

  • SIV||

    +1 "round eyes"

  • db||

    Chinese hovertroops are coming to an American beach near you!

  • CE||

    So it turns out those stunts in Flying Tiger Hidden Dragon were real?

  • Mr. Saveloy||

    "...China hasn't fought a war since 1979."

    Sort of-they got into a pretty serious slap fight with the Vietnamese in 1988.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.....f_Skirmish

  • Suki||

    They were shooting at Taiwan during every election season into the 1990's. How dare they have an election without permission!

  • Suki||

    They rammed one of our Navy airplanes with a fighter around 2000 or 2001. Ron Paul blamed Bush.

  • deified||

    Damn straight!

  • Laoshi||

    They sent up an older pair of MiGs to purposely ram a US spy plane that had passed a few hundred meters off the Hainan coast. When the US spy plane had to land at Lingshui airport, they found evidence that Chinese military cell phones were being monitored among other activities. Ramming was considered less likely to cause problems than shooting down the spy.

  • tarran||

    This is horseshit.

    There was no purposeful ramming. The Chinese don't throw away skilled fighter pilots like that.

    The guy was a hotdogger that liked to make high speed passes to "bump" spy-planes with the shockwave of his passage.

    Of course, there's this thing called the Bernoulli effect which makes that a very dangerous thing; aircraft in close proximity get sucked into each other.

    BTW, the CO of the plane did exactly the right thing in landing the plane in Hainan instead of ditching in the ocean. It eliminated any possibility of the Chinese taking members of his crew captive while pretending they hadn't, as was done to Mary Ann Harbert.

  • RyanXXX||

    Let me guess: that Spy Plane was flying over or dangerously near Chinese territory?

    What would we do to a Chinese spy plane over Los Angeles?

  • tarran||

    As to Bush's 'culpability', after he took office, Bush authorized a much more confrontational relationship with China, and the P-3 flights were rerouted and had their operational tempo increased. During my time in the Navy, China was widely viewed as the adversary that was most likely to challenge the U.S. navally, and there was a pretty powerful faction that didn't like the idea of China becoming a regional hegemon. They thought that the U.S. should military confront China to show them our "resolve".

    I thought they were miscalculating; the Chinese, after all, were quite prepared to invade Korea to prevent the U.S. from conquering it because they feared the U.S. would invade China. Territorial integrity is a big deal with them, and the Chinese government rarely backs down from a fight.

  • NotSure||

    Until Chinese troops are amassing in Mexico, it is beyond ridiculous the claims that some Americans make, that China is supposedly the aggressor and a threat to world peace.

    This whole "challenge to American dominance" in the Pacific begs the question why exactly America is supposed to run the Pacific ?

  • CockGobbla||

    Do you have something against Chexican cuisine?

  • CockGobbla||

    I mean, other than having stool with zero viscosity?

  • ||

    There's actually a Chinese-Mexican place here in AZ, Chino Bandido.

  • kinnath||

    I truly miss that place.

  • Jough||

    That's weird. My wife didn't like my suggest her egg rolls were just Asian tacos.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Yeah, the Taiwanese are great and everything, but I am not really hot on the idea of fighting a war for them.

  • NotSure||

    The idea of invading Taiwan is not really hot in China either. And its not because of the American military wielding a big stick, its the fact that a war with Taiwan would shatter the Chinese economy.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Sure, but it's remarkable how man countries have been unwilling to overlook mere economic considerations in the interest of having a war.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    I mean willing to overlook, not unwilling.

  • Whiterun Guard||

    Meh, we beat them in WWII, we will beat them again.

  • JT||

    huh?

  • JT||

    China was our ally in World War 2

  • CockGobbla||

    Then why did they bomb Pearl Harbor?!!!

  • ||

    Come on...the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!

  • CockGobbla||

    They played a part. But at least they had the decency to warn us with the Zimmerman letter.

  • Whiterun Guard||

    That did give us the courage to stand our ground.

  • Pi Guy||

    No. The Zimmerman Letter attacked us from the Baja Region. Or was it Chihuahua?

    Either way, at least we're not eating knockwurst tacos.

    Actually - that doesn't sound so bad...

  • Sevo||

    CockGobbla|5.28.12 @ 9:36AM|#
    "Then why did they bomb Pearl Harbor?!!!"

    Bad navigation; they thought it was Tokyo.

  • NotSure||

    Sarcasm is common here.

  • Whiterun Guard||

    We had no allies. It was us against the world, that is why it is called a World War. Go earn some history.

  • CE||

    You can't earn history. The gods give it to you as you go along.

  • Suki||

    They were under different management then.

  • db||

    Yesterday, Brett L linked to a story of a zombie shot and killed in Miami. The man was allegedly eating the face of another man at the time. Taken in conjunction with the MMA fighter who skinned his friend's face and ripped out his still beating heart, I think the trend is clear. Arm yourselves with machetes, bats, and shotties, the Zombie Apocalypse® is nigh!

  • db||

    Also, Bite Me, Squirrels. I try to document my post with useful links and you reject me. No more than two links, my ass.

  • Whiterun Guard||

    Oh man it is what I have been training for my entire life! I am as ready as Danny Laruso when someone attacks by leading with their face!

  • Rich||

    These incidents are being blamed on "cocaine psychosis" and "wild mushroom tea", respectively.

    "Please enjoy responsibly."

  • db||

    Sure, sure. That's what they want you to believe.

  • Brett L||

    Please. This is just the opening phase. At some point Jay Carney is going to be telling us there's no zombie threat while a zombie shambles into the backdrop and gets shot by a Secret Service agent. Unless its a zombie stripper, in which case he'll be too cheap to waste a bullet on her.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Ooh, zombie snap!

  • perlhaqr||

    Would that be three snaps in Z formation?

  • Pi Guy||

    I was thinking when I read this that, if you weren't a Xian, and hadn't had your head filled full of gods and demons, there's no way you can even make up the posession story.

    IOW: the drugs didn't freak him out. His belief in the supernatural did. The shrooms just let his guard down to the point where he couldn't hide the real, constant, nagging, frightened to near-death nightmares he harbors all the time when not under the influence.

    Kinda like - and you might not agree - how I feel that there's no such thing as an "angry drunk" but, rather, there are some seriously angry people who, in whatever way, manage to suppress it. Once their guard's down, the anger come thru.

  • Rich||

    Yep.

    A lotta guys would say: Rather than (voluntary) intoxication being an excuse to reduce the sentence for such behavior, it should be a compounding factor to increase the sentence.

    IOW: Control yourself, Cousin.

  • db||

    In vino vim.

  • db||

    ...et veritas.

    If you know you're prone to anger and violence, probably not a good idea to use a substance that reduces your inhibitions.

  • The Heresiarch||

    "Vis," not "vim."

  • db||

    Vim is force or violence, no?

  • JoshSN||

    According to what "theory" is Taiwan part of China?

    That's about as valid as saying that according to theory, the United States are part of the United Kingdom.

    The state system that has been in place since Westphalia has no question about it. The government of China, the PRC has never had control of any part of Taiwan.

    I find it just as ludicrous to say, as the Taiwanese do, that KMT-formed government is somehow the rightful government of the mainland.

    Not that I would want a war if the unification happened peacefully. I'd just want our spies going around making sure it was really voluntary, and not by threat.

  • NotSure||

    Taiwan is seen integral as part of China by mainland China, just like in the American civil war one part declared the other part was integral and had no right to leave.

    Trying to apply something like the Westphalian system on China is problematic since Chinese civilization is far older than some European concept of sovereignty. The best way to understand Chinese claims on Taiwan is to undertand the big taboo of having multiple Chinas, which happened during its long history and are seen as being equivalent to the European dark ages.

  • John||

    But that is a bunch of horse shit. Taiwan was never part of China. It has its own ethnic groups. The nationalist Chinese just took the place over after they lost the revolution. To call Taiwan part an essential part of China is like calling Pureto Rico an essential part of the US.

  • NotSure||

    Yes because we all know that Americans originally were all living in all the 50 states, and that it is the same size as it is was 200 years ago ...

    Hainan was also once not part of China, are you saying the same applies to that as well. The only horse shit is you seeing the world like it is some Tom Clancy novel and is completely fixed in stone.

  • John||

    Taiwan was not part of China as recently as 70 years ago. The Taiwanese never wanted to be part of China. They only got drug into this conflict because the Nationalist Chinese showed up on their shores and took over. For the Chinese to claim that Taiwan is an essential part of China is just a complete lie. If the Nationalists had gone to Vietnam or the Philipines instead of Taiwan, the ChiComs would never be making that claim. The claim is just complete bunk.

  • NotSure||

    There is a reason why the pro independence movement does not get clear majorities in Taiwan. Its because the idea of unity with China is strong, they just don't like CCP running them, which is not the same as wanting independence. And they most certainly do not want hot headed Americans intervening with the cowboy style system.

    As for ethnic groups, so fucking what, using that logic you would have to deport half the worlds population to rectify things to make sure everyone is living in the correct place.

  • John||

    The pro independence movement doesn't get a clear majority because declaring independence risks war with China. If china said "go your own way" tomorrow, that vote would come out differently.

  • NotSure||

    The fear (or more like secret desire) of China attacking Taiwan is an obsession in America more than Taiwan. The two countries share a history that America will never share, so mind you own business, its not your problem, its not Americas problem. The absolute worst thing that could happen is American interference in China.

  • John||

    China attacking Taiwan is an American obsession. Got it. That is why Taiwan has a huge military and is constantly trying to buy more advanced military equipment. The Chinese would invade in a heartbeat if they thought they could win and get away with it.

  • newshutz||

    Or deport everyone back to the rift valley. There are some eco-freaks who would like that idea.

  • Bernieyeball||

    Pureto Rico, my hearts devotion...
    Let it sink into the ocean...

  • Anonymous Coward||

    The Han see all of Asia as an "integral part of China." The Han didn't attempt to settle Taiwan until roughly the 13th century, where they found the aborigines waiting and hostile. The Han didn't attempt to settle Taiwan until the Dutch East India Company established an outpost on the islands in the 17th century and imported workers from the mainland. Koxinga drove off the Europeans and established a pirate kingdom until Shi Leng defeated him and Taiwan was annexed by the Qing dynasty. In 1895, the Japanese conquered Taiwan, expelled the Qing loyalists and industrialized the islands. After World War 2, the Allies handed Taiwan over to the ROC government.

    So to summarize: Taiwan has passed from aboriginal control, to Dutch, to Spanish, to Chinese, to Japanese, then to Nationalist hands, without ever passing to Maoist hands. Unless you think Taiwan should just roll over because the UN says it should.

  • JoshSN||

    Thank you.

  • JoshSN||

    China pretty much is part of the current international system, they choose to be, they choose to abide by Westphalian norms and the United Nations standard.

    Current China is larger than pretty much anything other than the Tang Dynasty. When China was split, say, Southern Song, it was into much smaller parcels. Taiwan didn't have many Chinese people on it until the 1600s. It was never part of any Han dynasty (the Qing were Mongol, not Han).

    It is a lot like saying that because there was war in the Balkans before WWI we should keep on the lookout for a new world war if there is again strife in the Balkans.

    And, by the way, while the 5/10 period was like the dark ages, Southern Song was a sophisticated time.

    Worrying about "split" China

  • Sam Grove||

    More reasons to hate politics.

  • Suki||

    According to the theory that only Whitie should be free. Everybody else needs to be under a commie dictatorship, but if they are under a commie dictatorship it is their own fault for not resisting the dictator and making a US style Constitution, minus the anti-libertarian bits.

    Don't forget, they have conscription in Taiwan, so they deserve to be taken over by commie China. [/sarcasmatron]

  • Randian||

    thanks for your input, JohnT/Sukibot. Try not to get the stupid all over the carpet next time.

  • DRM||

    The theory that when both China and Taiwan say that Taiwan is part of China, it means Taiwan is a part of China?

  • ||

    According to what "theory" is Taiwan part of China?

    The theory pushed by the Communist Party of China, that the U.S. federal government has decided it is a bad idea to directly contradict by officially recognizing the Taiwanese government as a sovereign nation.

    It's a bullshit theory, but if quietly failing to call someone on their bullshit prevents a lot of preventable deaths, then I'm all for such tactful silence.

  • Pi Guy||

    Jeebus, Josh. Not again.

    Wikipedia on political status of Taiwan: Just read it.

    I repeat: you don't breech an obstacle without the best intelligence possible. You're coming in without full understanding of the battlespace and are taking heavy fire. And it's not going to stop until you come prepared.

    OTOH, if you were really prepared, you wouldn't keep saying such stupid shit.

  • ||

    "breech"

    breach

  • Pi Guy||

    I know. I did the same thing yesterday...

  • JoshSN||

    I know exactly what I am talking about, PI guy. Nothing you said, or linked to, in any way contradicted what I said.

    I think both the PRC and KMT are daft for claiming that they run all of both entities.

    I think you are daft for trying to win an argument the way you do, without even indirectly trying to rebut anything I said, or even a consequence thereof.

  • Stephdumas||

    One guy did a fanfilm trailer of a remake of the movie "Red Dawn" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeYCdp1ik_0

    That was before MGM decided to step in with its own remake. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn_(2012_film)

  • John||

    The danger is that the Chinese attack the US as a way to deal with an internal revolution. They wouldn't be the first government to stay in power by starting a war to unite the country in nationalism.

    I see China as a paper tiger. And I think the population is going to revolt one of these days over the corruption and incompetence of that government. The problem is that the government is going to get increasingly desperate and dangerous as it tries to stay in power.

  • db||

    So which is more likely: The Chinese PtB attacking USA to deflect internal criticism, or the American PtB attacking China to deflect internal criticism. Personally, I think it's more likely that the Chinese PtB will follow USA's example and attack some smaller lesser threat countries to deflect internal criticism rather than go after a target that poses a real challenge.

  • John||

    When exactly did the US attack anyone to deflect internal criticism? I must have missed that in the papers because I have never seen it happen.

  • Suki||

    Wasn't that what Wilson did? Technically, he joined a counter attack I suppose.

  • John||

    No. Wilson went to war because the German's were incredibly stupid and gave him an excuse.

  • db||

    Maybe not the initial attacks, but an argument can be made that the current involvement in Afghanistan (and the "completed" actions in Libya and in Iraq) has been prolonged as a result of a desire to redirect criticism from failed administration policies at home.

  • John||

    An argument could be made but it would be stupid. At worst obama is staying there because he doesn't want to look like a loser. But no way does he think that staying there allows him to distract people from the economy.

  • db||

    I don't think it's "stupid." It might be incorrect but there's certainly some circumstantial evidence for it. Especially his using the bin Laden raid politically. He's "pivoting" away from the economy in most places where he can get away with it. The only thing he has going for him now (at least with independents) is the accomplishments of the military under his command.

  • sloopyinca||

    When exactly did the US attack anyone to deflect internal criticism? I must have missed that in the papers because I have never seen it happen.

    Does our own sabotage of the USS Maine count? How about Clinton bombing the fuck out of the Balkans and/or Iraq? Does an investigation leading to impeachment count as "internal criticism"?

  • NotSure||

    More than that, one would have to pretend that the war in Libya and Osama bin Laden were not milked to their maximum to win political points.

  • BakedPenguin||

    Clinton bombed Sudan in the middle of blowjob-gate.

  • tarran||

    The U.S. didn't sabotage the Maine.

    The Maine blew up because of a fire in one of their coal bunkers that detonated a magazine.

  • sloopyinca||

    I meant to say sabotage of the USS Maine investigation. The ensuing Spanish-American war was certainly a "circus" of the Roman variety.

  • tarran||

    The Navy didn't gundeck the investigation!

    They were advised by the finest internal affairs detectives in the Chicago PD and followed their advice to the letter!

  • CE||

    Serbia?

  • Suki||

    Their favorites for that appear to be Vietnam and Taiwan.

  • John||

    The Vietnamese kicked there ass the last they tried that in the late 70s.

  • Suki||

    That didn't stop China from trying it again in the 1980's.

  • Suki||

    Or they could just unite it like Mao did and reducing their carbon footprint at the same time.

  • Brian from Texas||

    Unlike the Soviet Union or North Korea, China has never been able to fully embrace Marxist-Leninism. Despite their occasional saber-rattling they'll never do anything to provoke an actual armed conflict with the West. They need the global free market as much as we do.

  • Whiterun Guard||

    More, since we could at least eat our corn subsidies if we had to.

  • sloopyinca||

  • ||

    You're just an anti-cop bigot!

    /sarcasm

  • ||

    sloopy lies. as usual

    i never claimed it never happens.i claimed the opposite, that SOMETIMES injustices happen when cops are investigated and SOMETIMES cops get special treatment

    sloopy lies.

    film at 11

    sloopy is free to provide a cite where i said that type of thing never happens.

    he won't because it's just another lie. i have now cited two in two successive threads.

    usually when he calls me out, that's the easiest way to tell he's lying

  • sloopyinca||

    Yes, and you continually trot out a solitary example of a cop getting a mildly harsher sentence (which may not even be the case). IIRC, you originally claimed it was 7x what a non-cop would have gotten...until I researched the case and proved you were a fucking liar.

    Care to list any more examples, because we're probably at about 500 examples to your 1?

  • Whiterun Guard||

    Greeces new technocracy will not be politicized! It will be a terrific success and show the rest of Europe how to for once get all the right technocrats in the right place and then they can finally kill the "madness of the market!"

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/2012/05/2.....e-saviours
    *Warning Godwins Law violated in like the first sentence*

  • Whiterun Guard||

  • Sevo||

    "The Greeks are not passive victims: they are at war with the European economic establishment, and what they need is solidarity in their struggle, because it is our struggle too."

    No, they're not passive victims; they actively did it to themselves.
    And their war isn't with the "Eee", it's with reality.
    What a crock.

  • DRM||

    One encouraging fact is that the Chinese people are not naturally hostile to the United States.


    Germans under the Kaiser didn't have any particular dislike for the British. In the decade before WWI, the Kaiser and his advisors tried (ineptly) tried to form an alliance with Britain. Germany certainly didn't want to go to war with Britain in 1914.

    So forgive me if I don't take any encouragement from a lack of natural hostility.

  • John||

    Exactly. The Germans hated the French and feared the Russians. They were traditional allies with the British. This whole "but the people love us" wishful thinking never seems to go away. Rare is the war that the populations actively dislike each other at first.

  • Hugh Akston||

    It's true that, as Yuan says, the Chinese people rank the U.S. second among China's foes—with first place going to Japan. But how much of this reflects Chinese belligerence and how much stems from our habit of invading other countries is hard to gauge.

    That's retarded. Everybody knows that America's "Death from above" foreign policy has no negative effect on how we're perceived abroad. They must hate us for our freedoms.

  • sloopyinca||

    Funny how their highest ranked "foe" doesn't give two shits about Chinese agression when they're shitting their collective fundoshi every time the Norks do anything.

    And your last point is generally overlooked by the political class because...well, just because.

  • Almanian's Evil Twin||

    Blame Bush, do I.

    /Yoda-san

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    It's kind of amazing how people who have the sense not to trust the U.S. government expect folk in other countries to love and believe in that very same government. They foam with rage at even the suggestion that somebody in another country may have a perfectly rational reason to distrust or even hate the U.S. government.

  • Jake W||

    I think when people stop believing there is a threat in the middle east and the state needs a new excuse to expand their powers we will have a cold war/cyberwar with China so they can monitor us online next.

  • THIS SUX||

    Here is my problem with this article: It entirely ignores the developments in the South China Sea where US Ally, Republic of the Philippines has engaged in several military encounters with the PRC over the Spratly Islands and the United States has , allegedly, affirmed that it would come to the Philippines defense in the event the PRC mounts an attack. It is a very worrying situation because it has all the elements of the "blank check" the Germans gave the Austrians on the eve of WWI.

  • mike c.||

    Why is there no Memorial Day thread?

    There is a REASON (drink) that we can mostly say and do as we please.

  • CE||

    Yeah, let's memorialize the heroes of the American Revolution, who died in a successful war of secession, and whose leaders bequeathed us a Bill of Rights, if we can keep it.

  • JeremyR||

    Tip: "decimate" does not mean what you think it means.

    It literally means 10% killed.

  • R||

    Pro-tip: while that is the original definition, the word has since evolved to also mean "destroy large amount".

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/decimate

  • Laoshi||

    Maybe if the US had Chinese carrier groups off both coasts, Chinese troops in Mexico and Canada, and the Chinese government supporting separatist groups in Alabama and New Mexico, people here would understand Chinese concerns about the intentions of the US which is doing all those things to China.

  • Libertymike||

    Its hard for boobus americanus, be they neo connus or otherwise, to understand reality.

  • Jim Walsh||

    "China hasn't fought a war since 1979."

    One could argue that it's past due...

  • sweeterjan||

    It's kind of amazing how people who have the sense not to trust the U.S. government expect folk in other countries http://www.lunettesporto.com/ to love and believe in that very same government. They foam with rage at even the suggestion that somebody in another country may have a perfectly rational reason to distrust or even hate the U.S. government.

  • joy||

    The Chinese have found that pushing their agenda can be counterproductive. When China acts assertively, http://www.nikewinkel.com/scho.....-c-46.html its neighbors tend to seek safety in the arms of Uncle Sam.

  • jason||

    One thing is for sure that in this hard time these two countries will not mess with each others.

  • beats571||

    Dr Dre Beats How then can I feel such admittedly blatant optimism? In the coming months, I'll be explaining this optimism to you By Dre.

  • Jough||

    China isn't British any more?

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    It would be nice to have someone who actually knows something about china and the chinese write these articles. most of this guy's points are laughable.
    The chinese are naturally hostile to anything that isn't chinese, his polls are worthless. i've seen polls in china that don't even allow for negative answers. especially with the rising nationalism in china, their hostility is increasing everyday. yangrui from cctv 9 just made anti-foreigner remarks and was applauded by most of the people here.
    chinese believe that those with power should use it, their society idolizes power and social standing. many chinese believe that now that china is becoming more powerful that they should start using their power, especially in their territorial disputes, many want the ccp to start flexing their military muscle.
    do you really think that people would raise their hand if you asked them whether or not they were hostile to the US? you're an american asking them to their face. that is supposed to be evidence?
    many chinese that like america like us BECAUSE of our military and projection of power. they think we have power and do whatever we want and that that is a good thing.
    i guess this author was just visiting or something, but i have lived here for years and am fluent in mandarin, my wife is chinese, all my coworkers are chinese, and i can assure everyone here that most of the articles that reason write about china are full of shit. i love reason, but their articles on china are a joke

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