Greg Beato from the March 2008 issue
In the increasingly divided American landscape, where language, faith, and prime-time television no longer unite us as they once did, a thin golden line holds the nation together. It connects entities as disparate as Britney Spears, the Miami Dolphins, the Tecumseh High School Science Club, the cashier at your local Walgreen’s, even George W. Bush. Its domain is the restroom stall. Its associated features include tiny plastic cups, attentive strangers, and, on occasion, latex stunt penises and disposable heat packs.
It is, of course, the precautionary drug test. In 2008 it doesn’t matter if you’re a millionaire entertainer, a service-industry clock puncher, or the leader of the free world: We’re all citizens of Urine Nation.
How did we get to this strange land, where anyone who dreams of working a cash register at Burger King must consent to high-tech bio-seizures so unreasonable they would have made James Madison irrigate his breeches in outrage? Return, for a moment, to 1988. The Cosby Show was dominating the Nielsen ratings for the fourth straight year. Donald Trump was enjoying the bulletproof sauna in his classy new 272-foot yacht. Congress was busy crafting the Drug-Free Workplace Act.
Today, if you ask any V.P. of human resources or peddler of mass spectrometers why the drug testing industry needs to conduct 40 million pop quizzes each year, he’ll enthusiastically explain how drug testing can increase workplace safety and productivity, reduce absenteeism and worker’s compensation claims, and generally make our factories, offices, and strip malls happier, healthier, more profitable engines of commerce. It’s a bottom-line issue, he’ll tell you, not a law enforcement issue.
In 1986 the sales pitch was quite different. And it wasn’t the private sector who was pitching it. It was the President’s Commission on Organized Crime. Until the early ’80s, drug testing had mainly been used by methadone clinics, law enforcement agencies, and doctors. When test prices started dropping in 1980, the military and the transportation industry began to make it part of their institutional lives. But it got its biggest boost when the commission decided the country’s appetite for drugs was a “national emergency” that the police couldn’t handle alone. They needed help from the private sector.
In that bygone era, the idea of a suspicionless bio-seizure was still controversial. The American Federation of Government Employees decried the commission’s “witch-hunt mentality.” Rep. Pat Schroeder (D-Colo.) called the idea “idiotic.” Jay Miller, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Illinois affiliate, said it was “like using an elephant gun to shoot a mouse.”
So the government took baby steps. In September 1986, President Ronald Reagan signed an executive order mandating testing for federal employees. To “set an example and lead the way,” he and Vice President George H.W. Bush filled two bottles with grand old pee and had them sent to the U.S. Naval Hospital in Norfolk, Virginia, for testing. Two years later, Congress passed the Drug-Free Workplace Act of 1988. While the Act didn’t specifically mandate testing, it required every company doing business with the federal government to maintain a drug-free workplace. Those that didn’t would lose their contracts. “We get an overwhelming number of calls a day,” a director at one drug-testing lab told the Tulsa World after the law went into effect. “More than 90 percent say, ‘I’ve got to do something, but I don’t understand what. Can you help?’ Most of them are not pleased. It’s just another cost, a significant cost to a small company.”
While many employers resented their conscription into the War on Drugs, the policy had a domino effect. As soon as some companies started making prospective employees submit biological résumés, no organization wanted to end up as the preferred haven of the pharmacologically incorrect. So even companies that weren’t doing business with the government felt compelled to break out the tiny plastic cups. By 1996, 81 percent of the large businesses surveyed by the American Management Association said they were doing drug testing of some kind.
Today, workplace drug testing is a billion-dollar industry. It has also spawned a thriving anti-testing industry and entirely new crimes. In Indiana, simply owning a Whizzinator—a comically complex but allegedly effective device that consists of a fake latex penis, a harness, synthetic urine, and heating pads—can lead to a 180-day jail term and a $1,000 fine. (This law hasn’t stopped people from buying the $150 unit. The company that produces the Whizzinator says it has sold more than 300,000 of them since 1999.) In 2004, a South Carolina man got six months in a state prison simply for selling his clean urine over the Internet.
And around the country, emergency rooms have reported an increase in niacin overdoses, especially among teens. Various websites suggest that taking large amounts of niacin can prevent the detection of THC, marijuana’s main psychoactive ingredient. In fact, it’s mostly just a good way to overdose on niacin.
Observers still debate how much safer and more productive drug testing makes the workplace. But there’s at least one outfit that has no complaints about its efficacy. Forty million drug tests at an average of $30 a pop equals a $1.2 billion subsidy the federal government receives from the private sector each year to help prosecute its endless War on Drugs.
The private sector’s largesse isn’t limited to money and manpower: Workplace urine collection is a gateway drug to stronger forms of government coercion. As soon as we got used to dropping our pants at work, the government moved on to schools. “Fifteen years ago, school drug testing was too controversial,” John P. Walters, director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, told the Los Angeles Times in 2007. Now that workplace drug testing is no more controversial than Casual Fridays, it no longer seems so invasive to make any teenager who wants to join the school choir publicly prove his chemical chastity.
This year, the federal government has earmarked $17.9 million to underwrite high school drug testing programs. That the government is extending the totalitarian, zero-tolerance perspective of the Drug Free Workplace Act of 1988 to our nation’s high schools makes perfectly symmetrical sense. After all, that simplistic edict took its ideological heart from a public policy initiative initially aimed at school kids, Nancy Reagan’s “Just Say No” campaign.
The “Just Say No” campaign insisted that all drugs were equally dangerous, all use was bad, and nothing was permitted. Workplace drug testing does the same, only for adults. (“The professional who pointedly ignores covert coke-sniffing by his or her colleagues must eventually come to realize that a person can no more tolerate a little recreational drug use than he or she can tolerate a little recreational smallpox,” the Commission on Organized Crime’s 1986 report declared.)
When organizations like the Institute for a Drug-Free Workplace attempt to quantify the impact of drugs in the workplace, they consider only their negative effects. But what about the surreptitious line of coke in the bathroom that helps a salesman meet his monthly quota, or the afternoon pot break out by the dumpsters that keeps a dishwasher sane? Given the stresses of the contemporary work world, how come only Air Force pilots flying bombing missions over Afghanistan and Iraq have unregulated freedom to enhance their performance with go pills and no-go pills? Couldn’t we all use a Dexedrine now and then to get to 5 o’clock?
Talk about a pipe dream! Today “Just Say No” is kitschy nostalgia but the Drug-Free Workplace Act remains in full effect. Had the federal government started knocking on our front doors in 1988, cup in hand, demanding compulsory urinalysis, there would have been widespread outrage. Instead, in a move akin to Tom Sawyer convincing his pals to give him their marbles for the opportunity to whitewash Aunt Polly’s fence, the government outsourced its soaking of the Fourth Amendment to the private sector. It was one of the most ingenious policy decisions of the last 20 years.
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It's easy to look at all the ways our liberty is being eroded away. I'm all for stepping back and realizing that things are getting better all the time. Even so, work place drug testing was a major step back. I'm old enough to remember a time when no employer would dare ask for your bodily fluids. Back in the before time, in the long long ago.
Does Reason require drug testing for employment? If so, do they also test or ask for proof of a negative test for freelance contributors?
"Observers still debate how much safer and more productive
drug testing makes the workplace.
Why oh why could that be?
"But there's at least one outfit that has no complaints about
its efficacy. Forty million drug tests at an average of $30
a pop equals a $1.2 billion subsidy the federal government receives
from the private sector each year to help prosecute its endless War
on Drugs."
Just follow the money folks.
It's easy to look at all the ways our liberty is being
eroded away.
This is kind of insulting, but in this case in the interest of
workplace safety and productivity it is justified.
I left the US only 10 years ago, and I can't believe how much
has changed (as far as workplace drug-testing is concerned). This
sucks for most of you.
No smoking, no drinking, no drugs AT ALL.
damn.
Now, back to my coca leaves...
"Does Reason require drug testing for employment? If so, do
they also test or ask for proof of a negative test for freelance
contributors?"
If they do, I'm not renewing my subscription to "Reason".
"...$30 a pop equals a $1.2 billion subsidy the federal
government receives from the private sector each year to help
prosecute its endless War on Drugs."
Not to mention the money going into the pockets of past Drug Czars
who just happened to get into the drug testing business.
/'cause, you know, it's for the children.
Despite what you may want to believe about yourself and your
country, the fact is that the overwhelming majority of Americans
have been a step ahead of Bush in demanding they be monitored more
vigorously, and, if necessary, prosecuted more secretly, ruthlessly
and unfairly than every before.
This brings us to our uncomfortable point, one that no
post-Enlightenment humanist would dare to admit: human beings WANT
to be repressed. They feel safer. They function better under
properly administered doses of repression. It gives them limits,
direction, order, comfort, security. This is why American
management theory, alone among disciplines in the West, never
bothered with the counter-intuitive humanist myths pushed by
Voltaire and Rousseau about freedom of choice and man's essentially
decent nature.
American corporations, the soul of the country, are top-down,
rigidly structured mini-autocracies which are by definition
anti-democratic and repressive. They function in a world of overt
and covert employee monitoring, suspicion and pressure, fear and
paranoia, rewards and punishments, conformity and caution. Their
goal is maximum efficiency. Maximum efficiency is achieved both by
motivating the workers to produce at their peak potential, and by
creating conditions for maximum predictability. Cutting-edge
companies like Intel and GE compared the work habits of employees
motivated by teamwork and job security to those who were motivated
by the constant fear of layoffs, deadlines, pressure... and they
discovered a dark secret about man that our Enlightenment
forefathers tried to make us forget: that workers--human beings,
that is--respond most positively to fear. Using this discovery as
the basis of their corporate management philosophies, these
corporations wound up transforming American corporate culture, and
eventually much of the world's. Most Americans spend far more time
today in these vertically-structured autocratic mini-states,
pressured, monitored, spied on, rewarded today and fired tomorrow,
than at any time in American history.
This is kind of insulting, but in this case in the interest
of workplace safety and productivity it is justified.
Then why not fire people for being unproductive or unsafe?
The only time I was ever drug tested was when I worked in a grocery
store. So far in the professional world I've done lots of job
hopping but received no drug tests.
Also, tip for the youngsters: most restaurants don't drug-test.
They'd have to fire their entire wait staff.
Possibly a better reason to explain why so many companies jumped on the drug-testing bandwagon is that the Federal Government gave them a nice incentive. A big discount in their Worker's Compensation insurance premiums.
Frederick | February 13, 2008, 3:14pm | #
It's easy to look at all the ways our liberty is being eroded
away.
This is kind of insulting, but in this case in the interest of
workplace safety and productivity it is justified.
-Oh really? Do these tests look for alcohol? No? So you can still
drink on the job? Hmmm. And which is easier to obtain? Booze?
Perhaps at lunch? Maybe a martini with your salad platter? But
that's OK, right?
Then why not fire people for being unproductive or unsafe?
The only time I was ever drug tested was when I worked in a grocery
store. So far in the professional world I've done lots of job
hopping but received no drug tests.
Also, tip for the youngsters: most restaurants don't drug-test.
They'd have to fire their entire wait staff.
QFT
Thanks, Addict, now I'm even more depressed. I need some drugs to make me feel better. Aw fuck.
I know this sounds like a troll cliche, but..
.. if you don't want to take a job that requires drug screening,
don't take that job.
.. if you don't want to meet the requirements for a govt contract,
don't take govt contracts.
Yeah, the whiz-quiz industry is probably (definitelty) engaged in
rent-seeking and creating an urine-industrial complex.
And I got a problem with the testing in public schools, because
there, people don't have a choice. (both by law and in
practice)
But the rest? Not so much.
"They function in a world of overt and covert
employee citizen monitoring, suspicion and pressure,
fear and paranoia, rewards and punishments, conformity and
caution."
This is exactly the picture I had of the Soviet Union when I was in
West Germany.
/I thought I was on the good side
//Welcome to the USSA
I don't think the whiz quiz is as common as Mr Beato makes it
out to be.
I know this is anecdotal evidence, but I've had over thirty jobs in
my life, and applied for a lot more. I was only required to do a
drug screen once. I've had a few jobs where I had to swear I was
drug free or consent to a possible future random drug test, but
that's about it. I work for Uncle Sam now, and while an invasive
personal background check was required, they didn't need my
recycled beer.
Had the federal government started knocking on our front
doors in 1988, cup in hand, demanding compulsory urinalysis, there
would have been widespread outrage.
No there wouldn't.
But that strategy wouldn't have turned every corporate human
resources department into a police department, or reshaped all our
employment contracts in the image of felony parole
conditions.
Fascism is smarter than you.
OT
I talked to a Russian who said that we're just as much slaves to
the state as they are. The Russians just admit it though.
Does Reason require drug testing for employment? If so, do
they also test or ask for proof of a negative test for freelance
contributors?
Who says reason is necessarily looking for
negative test results.
Despite what you may want to believe about yourself and your
country, the fact is that the overwhelming majority of Americans
have been a step ahead of Bush in demanding they be monitored more
vigorously, and, if necessary, prosecuted more secretly, ruthlessly
and unfairly than every before.
I'm not so sure about that. Sure, they may be ignoring what's going
on because they care more about things going on in their own lives
or Britney Spears than about politics, but I don't see any evidence
of people jonesin' to be oppressed.
To all you libertarians always throwing out that old canard
about "slippery
slopes": What a bunch of delusional. paranoid, pants wetters
you are. Drugs are bad for you. Everbody knows it. This privacy
smokescreen you keep putting up doesn't fool me. Not one bit.
Individual freedom is not good for the collective.
I left the US only 10 years ago, and I can't believe how
much has changed (as far as workplace drug-testing is concerned).
This sucks for most of you.
Uhh, rana, aren't you in Venezuela? Maybe you can have some of
Hugo's favorite--coca leaves--but I think you have other problems,
no?
Epi,
"Uhh, rana, aren't you in Venezuela? Maybe you can have some of
Hugo's favorite--coca leaves--but I think you have other problems,
no?"
So true. Plenty of serious problems. And if put on a scale, it is
preferable to live in the US. Its just sad to see how oppressed
people are becoming.
Its funny to say but I know of people who will not leave Venezuela
precisely because they cant drink beer in the street, play their
music as loud and as often as they want, etc... (of course, these
arent the kind of people you would want immigrating to the US to
begin with), and I know people who have moved to the US or Europe
and RETURNED to Venezuela because they missed the excitement- it is
nice to be able to spend long weekends at the beach and drink booze
along the way, then again car-accident mortality rates are
incredibly high. Its a trade-off.
Despite what you may want to believe about yourself and your
country, the fact is that the overwhelming majority of Americans
have been a step ahead of Bush in demanding they be monitored more
vigorously, and, if necessary, prosecuted more secretly, ruthlessly
and unfairly than every before.
I'm not so sure about that. Sure, they may be ignoring what's going
on because they care more about things going on in their own lives
or Britney Spears than about politics, but I don't see any evidence
of people jonesin' to be oppressed.
We've collectively fallen asleep and allowed this to happen. The
few of us who were trying to wake everyone up failed. Now people
are having to pi$$ for $. Just like trained seals.
From the Center for "Science" in the Public interest
link:
Alcohol-related problems cost American society nearly $200 billion per year and cause as many as 100,000 deaths annually. Alcohol is a major cause of premature death in the United States and a primary contributor to a wide array of health problems and human suffering. These include various cancers, liver disease, alcoholism, brain disorders, motor vehicle crashes, violence, crime, spousal and child abuse, fires, and suicides.
With Government funded health care, all illness becomes a problem
for "American society."
This opens the door for any legislation regarding health,
consumption, or whatever. It's over folks, sorry to be the bearer
of bad news, but freedom is butterless toast
I remember the day when you needed to do something wrong to be treated like a criminal.
".. if you don't want to take a job that requires drug
screening, don't take that job.
.. if you don't want to meet the requirements for a govt contract,
don't take govt contracts."
On May 29, 1788, Alexander Hamilton wrote for the "Federalist
Papers" (#79) the following:
"A power over a man's subsistance amounts to a power over his
will."
Think about it. In a town of a few large employers, your kind of
SOL if everyone wants you to pee for your paycheck.
"I remember the day when you needed to do something wrong to
be treated like a criminal."
Me too. I got my first real job with a handshake.
I remember the day when you needed to do something wrong to
be treated like a criminal.
Didn't the cops look at you menacingly like one did to Gene Kelly
for singin' in the rain?
Think about it. In a town of a few large employers, your
kind of SOL if everyone wants you to pee for your
paycheck.
Don't forget subversion. NORML has methods to avoid detection, and
although anecdotal, said methods worked for me when I had my one
and only test in '06.
The cops in my home town drank beer with my dad at the local pub.Then drove home like every one else.
I remember the day when you needed to do something wrong to
be treated like a criminal.
Hmm, that sounded like a seditious comment to me.
The American Federation of Government Employees decried the commission's "witch-hunt mentality."
If there ever was a group of folks who should be subjected to
mandetory drug testing...right after Congress, that is.
But seriously:
Rep. Pat Schroeder (D-Colo.) called the idea "idiotic." Jay Miller, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Illinois affiliate, said it was "like using an elephant gun to shoot a mouse."
In my estimation, this analogy, as ridiculous as it sounds is
precisely why these situations become accepted in the main.
We laugh at the prospect of shooting a mouse with an elephant gun,
but in the end, the mouse is dead, and we got a really, really loud
and startling bang out of the process.
Goal: Kill Mouse
Result: Successfully Achieved
Profile: High
When you're dealing with workaholic zealot regulators in the
federal government, the above is exactly the effect they're looking
for.
Populist types are soothed because they feel "something is being
done" about the "problem". And, while I'm not going to argue about
outcomes or statistics, businesses can take some comfort in the
fact that they are able to screen out the dumbest pot smokers, and
make the smart ones keep looking over their shoulder.
None of this is to say that any of this is right, moral or just,
it's merely the effect, or might I say, the perceived effect that
remains most important.
I opened my first bank account without providing ID or a SSN.
I'd have to make certain I went to one of two tellers who knew me
by sight to do withdraw money, sans ID, but it was worth the
effort.
This was a mere 25 years ago.
BTW. Remember how the whole idea behind forcing employers to demand
ID cards and Social Security numbers from employees was to curb
illegal immigration?
I do.
NORML has methods to avoid detection, and although
anecdotal, said methods worked for me when I had my one and only
test in '06.
Same here, in 04. Standard pre-employment screen, but it was two
very unpleasant days until the negative result came back.
Oh, minor threadjack... kind of. Since this is a drug-related thread, I thought I'd make everyone feel just a little bit better about how well we're doing in rolling back the war on drugs. Marijuana Matriarch faces looooong prison sentence.
People don't jones to be oppressed, they just jones for other people to be oppressed in ways they themselves won't mind. People who believe every piece of drug-war propaganda and don't personally use drugs have no problem making would-be cashiers take a drug test because, OMG, think of the children, they could kill someone, illegal means illegal, etc.
@eXile:
I think you're making a logical fallacy in implying that because
there is an overwhelming tendency of humans to live complacently
under repression then that is what they want. I would argue that
over a few million years, the unfit (in a biological sense)
behavior of every individual independently thinking over every
decision they make has culminated in a brain that is more likely to
conform and encourage others to conform because it is more
conducive to survival. Not to mention intense social conditioning,
stemming, of course, from neurological structure. You are
suggesting that humans want to be repressed because they
like it without giving some credit to brain structure that is
inherently designed to do so and the social systems that arise from
the older territorial, xenophobic parts of our brains.
Note that I am not a neurological determinist, nor am I saying that
personal responsibility doesn't exist. People ultimately choose to
live under their masters and the weak emergent properties of
consciousness allow us to do so without being robots confined to an
equation of neural firings. But our evolutionary history plays a
large part in group behavior even now, and the tendency to accept
oppression as the norm is a key facet in that behavior. Obviously
our brains can overcome evolutionary "shortcomings" but that rarely
happens in a society that encourages them.
Back when Reagan was POTUS, I was a pot smoker living in a meat packing town. It was noticed that *everyone* was passing their pre-employment piss tests, using a wide variety of methods ranging from drinking lots of pickle juice to pricey pills and powders sold out of the back of High Times. Careful experimentation (read: sending in an unrepentant doper for a recon run) revealed that the tests were a ruse. Seems The Plant was short on Mexican imports, so they were willing to dip into the doper pool until the Mexican (who, presumably, pissed clean) laborer supply-lines were restored.
Also, tip for the youngsters: most restaurants don't
drug-test. They'd have to fire their entire wait staff.
Ditto for ad agencies. Thank god.
It's a lot cheaper to make someone piss in a cup than it is to run the damn the test.
The only pee tests I ever had were when I was paid from federal grants or worked in a hospital, and that goes back to 1986.
Ditto for ad agencies. Thank god.
Ditto for most computer shops.
I have had to take 2 drug tests in my lifetime for employment. One
was to work at Best Buy when I was in HS, the other was my 2nd job
out of college for UBS. I didn't smoke any pot in HS, but the UBS
was passed with a combination of abstaining for a couple of weeks
and some Golden Seal from GNC. After the fact I found out that a
gallon of water and some B12 (for colorful urine) would do just as
well.
Kolohe,
The reason why it's important to tell anyone asking for a drug test
"fuck you, get a warrant", is that getting too used to the idea of
drug tests being routine and normal, means that people will not
resist when government seeks to make them mandatory.
-jcr
Also, tip for the youngsters: most restaurants don't
drug-test. They'd have to fire their entire wait staff.
Shyeah, how do you explain hospitals? Ever known a nurse for more
than five minutes? It's like that last scene in Scarface with them
I swear.
The reason why it's important to tell anyone asking for a
drug test "fuck you, get a warrant", is that getting too used to
the idea of drug tests being routine and normal,
John, agreed. The problem we have now is that we don't necessarily
turn these situations into legal standoffs, they're groupthink
challenges.
Applicant: Fuck you, get a warrant.
Employer: No need, hundreds of people need this job, next.
Next applicant: Fuck you, get a warrant.
Employer: No need, hundreds of people need this job, next.
Next Applicant: Where do I pee?
Yes, I know the obvious response is that if everyone
demanded a warrant, we'd win. But that's not the reality of the
situation. When we're trying to get a job, the first person to
blink ruins it for everyone else, not the other way around.
Dear Addict in eXile,
Firstly, what a crock of shit. And secondly, do you work for
enXco?
zoltankemeny | February 13, 2008, 4:31pm |
^^ Excellent point, very well stated.
How would one find out if Reason Magazine is forcing its prospective applicants to pee for $? I need to decide whether to renew my subscription.
How would one find out if Reason Magazine is forcing its
prospective applicants to pee for $?
Perhaps one of the staff will answer, but really, I'd be be
extraordinarily surprised if they did require it. It seems to me so
utterly unlikely as not to be in any serious doubt.
I'm a freelancer, but have never been asked to take a drug test for Reason. Plus, Nick is always quick to pick up a bar tab. I'm hoping that policy continues under Matt as well.
"I'm a freelancer, but have never been asked to take a drug
test for Reason. Plus, Nick is always quick to pick up a bar tab.
I'm hoping that policy continues under Matt as well."
Thanks for the response. I hope Nick picks up a bar tab for me
someday. So I can tell the grandkids I once drank with the "leather
jacketed one" who wasn't the "Fonz".
/check for subscription being seriously considered.
//which bill do I put off?
Plus, Nick is always quick to pick up a bar tab.
How long have you been an alcoholic, Greg?
By the way, before I lose my posting privileges, that 7:23 post was an attempt at humor-- like "when did you stop beating your wife".
For a quick and dirty look at the relationship between drugs in the workplace, testing, rumors and innuendo. One has to look no further than the MLB steroid scandal and Roger Clemense. How does Mr. Clemense get his honor back? How can MLB come clean without looking extremely dirty?
Perhaps one of the staff will answer, but really, I'd be be
extraordinarily surprised if they did require it.
Very surprising, considering Senior Editor Jacob Sullum has an
article on this website starting with the words, "Not long ago, at
a party in Amsterdam, I was about to swallow some psilocybin
mushrooms..."
From what I understand, the prevailing libertarian viewpoint is
that private employment discrimination on the basis of race,
disability, and gender should all be legal. Why isn't
discrimination on the basis of willingness and ability to pass a
drug test allowable?
Or is this one of those cosmotarian things, where we oppose
frivolous govt intervention until activities of the private sector
threatens our drug use?
If I test positive will I still be drafted? In the new Demo Peace/Job/Military Corps? Does the military get an afternoon smoke break?
Or is this one of those cosmotarian things, where we oppose
frivolous govt intervention until activities of the private sector
threatens our drug use?
Chris, the point of the piece is that the private sector didn't
develop its drug-testing habit entirely on its own. The federal
government was instrumental in peer-pressuring countless businesses
into taking those first fateful tokes that led them down the awful
road to addiction.
How long have you been an alcoholic, Greg?
Paul, the truth is I'm just a light recreational drinker, which,
for a freelance journalist, is kind of embarrassing to admit. So
thanks for your attempts to bolster my reputation.
It thought libertarians supported business owners rights to hire or not hire anyone for any reason? If they drug test and you don't like it don't work there.
"It thought libertarians supported business owners rights to
hire or not hire anyone for any reason? If they drug test and you
don't like it don't work there."
In Libertopia, drugs would be legal, so there would be less stigma
attached to the recreational, off the clock use of legal drugs.
Right now, the drug test is used as a morality detector, not to
determine fitness for a job.
Speaking about taking liberties away, why don't we just pass a
bill that takes away basic liberties and freedoms(*)from Americans,
and then add 'salt to the wound' by calling it something that rings
of (psuedo-uber)'nationalism'. Oh yeah, we did ;It's called the
"Patriot Act"!
*which liberties and freedoms, you might ask? - just try putting
the Constitution up on the wall and throw a dart at it, you're
bound to hit some of the 'rights' rationally conferred to us by our
'founding forefathers.' Thomas Jefferson - one of the greatest
social/political, axiological philosophers this country has ever
known - would be rolling over in his grave if he knew that the term
'patriot' was being used to wrestle natural rights away from
Americans!
I get drug tested by the government. And they talk to me like I'm retarded.
A man I know owns a tile setting outfit. Years ago, his
insurance company came to him with a deal. If he mandated
pre-employment piss testes, and random piss tests once his
employees, the insurer would give him a break on prices.
He agreed. Money is good.
As it played out and to hear him tell it, all of his employees
turned out to be "either pot heads, meth heads, or Mormons."
Sounds like the insurance companies are not competing. That's not capitalism. Break them up. Competition = freer markets.
We've collectively fallen asleep and allowed this to happen.
The few of us who were trying to wake everyone up
failed.
We didn't fail, we were laughed at and then ignored.
Years ago, his insurance company came to him with a deal. If
he mandated pre-employment piss testes, and random piss tests once
his employees, the insurer would give him a break on
prices.
I wonder if the insurance company required him to take any action
on the test results.
I could see him going to his workers and saying "Hey, guys, I can
save a couple thousand bucks on insurance if everyone will pee in a
cup. I won't even open the test results when they come back, but I
will throw a hell of a holiday party with the savings."
As it played out and to hear him tell it, all of his employees
turned out to be "either pot heads, meth heads, or
Mormons.
Even though I've never tested positive for drugs (I'm mormon, ha),
I still hate having to do it at all.
For awhile I was a technical trainer at a large bank. I often had
to schedule rooms for training meetings, and one day I noticed a
room I normally used was booked by a company with a vaguely medical
sounding name. Half an hour later, I was asked to go to a meeting
in that very room, and my boss wasn't allowed to to tell me
why.
When I got there, I saw a soman, a waiver, and a cup. I sat down as
the woman explained to me, in slow, clear tones (in case I may
already be under the influence) that I must pee into the cup, that
is must be the right temperature, et cetera et cetera.
Having never taken any drugs before, I wasn't worried of testing
positive, but I still felt a little violated and was quite angry at
the whole affair. It's a witch-hunt mentality no matter how you
paint it, and I'm glad to be working now for a company that doesn't
require it.
Incidentally, I always watched for days when that room was booked
by the 'medical' company and made sure I was away from the office
so I didn't have to take any 'pop' whizzes.
I wonder if the insurance company required him to take any action on the test results.
I could see him going to his workers and saying "Hey, guys, I can save a couple thousand bucks on insurance if everyone will pee in a cup. I won't even open the test results when they come back, but I will throw a hell of a holiday party with the savings."
Hell, I would just fill a jug of sissy and parcel it out as
everyone's sample to save time.
R C Dean | February 14, 2008, 11:14am | #
Years ago, his insurance company came to him with a deal. If he mandated pre-employment piss testes, and random piss tests once his employees, the insurer would give him a break on prices.
I wonder if the insurance company required him to take any action on the test results.
I could see him going to his workers and saying "Hey, guys, I can save a couple thousand bucks on insurance if everyone will pee in a cup. I won't even open the test results when they come back, but I will throw a hell of a holiday party with the savings."
Maybe they let employers administer their own tests back then, but
these days, at least for the large NYC company i work for, you have
to go to a certified 3rd-party company like the one "James R"
mentions a couple of posts up, some (like the one I went to) have
their own facilities.
I took an undergraduate internship with Philip Morris, USA's
R&D department. As an unsuspecting 19-year-old, I was submitted
to a mandatory, preemptive drug test, so's I could get hired to
push another drug. This disconnect inspired me to write about the
fallacy of a preemptory corporate drug test for a research class I
was taking at the time. 25 pages later, I was mildly pacified.
Interestingly, I later took a co-op position with DuPont, famous
for it's anti-hemp, pro-nylon campaign. Again, the preemptive drug
test, with the constant threat of random drug testing being held
over our heads. I'm gunning for self-employment.
Thanks for the elucidation of the details, Greg.
Today, if you ask any V.P. of human resources or peddler of
mass spectrometers why the drug testing industry needs to conduct
40 million pop quizzes each year, he'll enthusiastically explain
how drug testing can increase workplace safety and productivity,
reduce absenteeism and worker's compensation claims, and generally
make our factories, offices, and strip malls happier, healthier,
more profitable engines of commerce. It's a bottom-line issue,
he'll tell you, not a law enforcement issue.
Bullshit. If using drugs makes people less productive, etc. why do
we need drug tests to spot them? Just fire the underproducing
people and save the testing fees.
To "set an example and lead the way," he (Reagan) and Vice
President George H.W. Bush filled two bottles with grand old pee
and had them sent to the U.S. Naval Hospital in Norfolk, Virginia,
for testing.
And the general said to the private, "Make damn sure these come up
negative."
This is kind of insulting, but in this case in the interest of
workplace safety and productivity it is justified.
Has there been a drop in accidents and an increase in productivity
in the companies that test? Where? It sure hasn't shown up among
federal employees.
Why isn't discrimination on the basis of willingness and
ability to pass a drug test allowable?
Drug testing by private employers is among the many activities
libertarians would label "legal but stupid." Let the market punish
the employer.
Sounds like the insurance companies are not competing. That's
not capitalism. Break them up.
It's not the capitalism that's the problem, it's the government
regulation of the insurance industry. The table of
contents of the Texas insurance code runs several
pages.
"It's not the capitalism that's the problem, it's the
government regulation of the insurance industry. The table of
contents of the Texas insurance code runs several
pages."
And it probably includes the DEA illegal drug schedule, so, you
know, any pesky states which legalize cannabis won't affect the
policy. The policies will change only when the federal war on some
drugs is ended.
Tinkle, tinkle
little cup
how I wonder
Yo! Wassup?
Do I really get the job
or do I go to gaol?
Next step: your prospective employer required to report all results
to the DEA.
"They're comin' for ya, fuckers, watcha gonna do?"
Only poor working people in the US get drug tested. Over a few
years in the US, I moved up from hourly jobs up to a six figure
salary. There's drug tests for the hourly and lower salaried jobs,
but once you crack the $100k barrier and transfer between companies
- the drug test is gone! I was really surprised.
So if you don't to get drug tested, just make more money,
dammit.
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