What Should Libertarians Make of the Epstein Files?
Plus: Tulsi Gabbard accuses Obama of treason, Congress slashes NPR funding, and a listener asks if we actually like each other.

This week, editors Peter Suderman, Katherine Mangu-Ward, Nick Gillespie, and Matt Welch examine what, if anything, the Jeffrey Epstein saga reveals about the MAGA movement and its ties to conspiracy culture. They debate whether the scandal could derail President Donald Trump's agenda or simply reinforce the need for more government transparency. The editors also weigh in on Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard's explosive allegations that former President Barack Obama and his administration engaged in a "treasonous conspiracy" to discredit Trump's 2016 victory. Then they turn to the GOP's $9 billion Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) rescission bill and its impact on public broadcasting. Plus, a listener question prompts reflections on how the Roundtable crew really gets along behind the scenes.
00:26—Epstein conspiracies come full circle
06:13—The Epstein files and government transparency
16:52—Trump's made-for-TV administration showing cracks
21:42—Gabbard and the treasonous conspiracy accusations
38:03—Listener question on panelist relationships
45:27—DOGE rescissions and public broadcasting cuts
56:08—The declining influence of institutional media
1:00:28—Weekly cultural recommendations
Mentioned in This Podcast
"The Case Against Ross Ulbricht Was About Government Power," by Katherine Mangu-Ward
"Free Ross Day One," by Nick Gillespie
"Trump, Who Wants To 'Straighten Out the Press,' Sues The Wall Street Journal Over 'Fake' Epstein Letter," by Jacob Sullum
"Enigmas Never Age," by Liz Wolfe
"MAGA's Epstein Files Fight Shows the Long Tail of QAnon," by Elizabeth Nolan Brown
"The CEO of NPR Made the Best Case for Defunding It," by Billy Binion
"The Senate Was Right To Defund NPR and PBS," by Robby Soave
"How To Keep Your Radio Station Going When the Government's Checks Don't Come," by Jesse Walker
Mothers Against Cruel Sentencing
Today's Sponsors:
Therapy can feel like a big investment, but the state of your mind is just as important as your physical health. Let's talk numbers. Traditional in-person therapy can cost anywhere from $100 to $250 per session, which adds up fast, but with BetterHelp online therapy, you can save, on average, up to 50% per session. With BetterHelp, you pay a flat fee for weekly sessions, saving you big on cost and time. Therapy should feel accessible, not like a luxury. With online therapy, you get quality care at a price that makes sense and can help you with anything from anxiety to everyday stress. Your mental health is worth it—and now, it's within reach. With over 30,000 therapists, BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform, having served over 5 million people globally. It's convenient, too. You can join a session with the click of a button, helping you fit therapy into your busy life. As the largest online therapy provider in the world, BetterHelp connects you with mental health professionals with a diverse variety of expertise - so you can find the right fit. Plus, switch therapists at any time. Your well-being is worth it. Visit betterhelp.com/roundtable today to get 10% off your first month.
- Producer: Paul Alexander
- Video Editor: Ian Keyser