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Last Column From Khashoggi Warns About State-Spread Fake News. Americans Should Take Note: Reason Roundup

Plus: Rep. Amash moves to limit weapons sales to Saudis while evangelical leaders defend them.

Momen Faiz/NurPhoto/Sipa USA/NewscomMomen Faiz/NurPhoto/Sipa USA/NewscomFree minds need a free press. In Freedom House's most recent global liberty index, "only one country in the Arab world"—Tunisia—was classified as free and only three were deemed partly free. "As a result, Arabs living in these countries are either uninformed or misinformed," lamented Jamal Khashoggi, the Saudi journalist whose disappearance and probable murder has set about international melee.

People in these countries "are unable to adequately address, much less publicly discuss, matters that affect the region and their day-to-day lives," Khashoggi continues. "A state-run narrative dominates the public psyche, and while many do not believe it, a large majority of the population falls victim to this false narrative. Sadly, this situation is unlikely to change."

Khashoggi's words ring especially haunting considering the circumstances. The Washington Post published Khashoggi's final column—headline: "What the Arab world needs most is free expression"—after giving up hope that he would return alive. In a note preceding the column, Post Global Opinions Editor Karen Attiah explains that Khashoggi had filed the column not long before he disappeared in Istanbul. "The Post held off publishing it because we hoped Jamal would come back to us so that he and I could edit it together," writes Attiah. "Now I have to accept: That is not going to happen."

That Khashoggi's disappearance has captured U.S. media attention for days is itself something of an anomaly. Those intimately familiar with censorship in some regimes note that not only does Saudi Arabia mistreat media as a matter of course, but Turkey—now emerging as a vindicator of Khashoggi's death—is also absolutely awful when it comes to censoring and jailing journalists, among other thuggish things. Many have suggested that for Turkish leaders, it's Saudi aggression on their soil that stings, not the suppression of someone for speaking their mind.

The potentially brutal nature of Khashoggi's killing may explain some of the heightened attention here. But Khashoggi's publication by prestigious western outlets like The Washington Post is probably a better indicator of why we're taking note.

Of course, some corners of U.S. culture are aggressively downplaying the significance of the alleged Khashoggi killing—a killing which was incredibly painful and brutal, according to Turkish authorities who've obtained audio recordings from the Saudi consulate. The audio allegedly captures Khashoggi screaming as he's being dismembered alive.

"You've got one journalist — who knows?" opined Christian Broadcasting Network cryptkeeper Pat Robertson. "Was it an interrogation? Was he assassinated? Were there rogue elements? Who did it?...You've got $100 billion worth of arms sales...we cannot alienate our biggest player in the Middle East."

Robertson's words echo those of President Trump, who has also been quick to cast doubt on any official Saudi malfeasance here and suggested that they're too good of allies (allie$?) to risk enraging. (Trump would much rather sanction our southern neighbors for failing to block brown people from coming here.)

At least a few in Congress are rejecting this Republican front, though. For instance, Rep. Justin Amash (R–Mich.) announced yesterday that he's cosponsoring legislation to block U.S. arms sales to the Saudis.

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "Amazon has hired more than 150 Ph.D. economists in the past five years, making them the largest employer of tech economists. In fact, Amazon now has several times more full time economists than the largest academic economics department." https://t.co/eXT40GJv1C
    — Walter Olson (@walterolson) October 17, 2018

    When can I get one delivered to my door by drone?

  • ||

    Hello.

    "That Khashoggi's disappearance has captured U.S. media attention for days is itself something of an anomaly. Those intimately familiar with censorship in some regimes note that not only does Saudi Arabia mistreat media as a matter of course, but Turkey—now emerging as a vindicator of Khashoggi's death—is also absolutely awful when it comes to censoring and jailing journalists, among other thuggish things. Many have suggested that for Turkish leaders, it's Saudi aggression on their soil that stings, not the suppression of someone for speaking their mind"

    Right. Only the journo class 'intimately familiar' know this.

    /continues spreading sour jam on bread with raised eyebrow.

  • KevinP||

    Jamal Khashoggi was a Muslim Brotherhood supporter - those famed supporters of democracy and freedom - but you won't find anything about this in ENB's article.

  • ||

    Yeh most of us already know it's a little nuanced than 'they killed one of our Trump hates journalists!'

  • sharmota4zeb||

    You joke, but this year, I've encountered Libertarians who asked me to deliver things to their undisclosed locations without disclosing those locations to me.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Market fail.

  • Bubba Jones||

    These aren't "academic" jobs.

    examples:
    Predictive Analytics & Economist Research Leader, AWS

    Sr. Manager, Economist, Advertising Measurement and Optimization

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

  • John||

    The NPC Memes are hysterical.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The Lefty trolls hate it too.

    Their worst nightmare is to be ignored.

  • lap83||

    I like it. The illustration in that pic reminds me of one of the "putties" from that Mighty Morphin Power Rangers show of the 90's. Come to think of it, those inept, easily defeated creatures perfectly embody our trolls.

  • Red Tony||

    Wait, I'm an NPC?

    Welcome to Corneria!

  • Dont Tread On Womyn||

    Distance 20, unable to evade

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I've joined as an original cosponsor of @RepMcGovern's bill to prohibit military assistance and arms sales to Saudi Arabia unless @SecPompeo certifies that the Saudi government was not responsible for #JamalKhashoggi's disappearance, imprisonment, or death. pic.twitter.com/jM5uSBDRUS
    — Justin Amash (@justinamash) October 17, 2018

    Does he know the chilling effect this might have on future Yemen bombings?

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    Leftist To 9/11 Widow: 'Your Husband Should F--king Rot In The Grave'
    "I'm not, I'm not going to punch you, I'm not like your husband, I'm not going to punch you," the man replied.

    "I'm not married," the woman answered.

    "I'm not like your boyfriend or your cop boyfriend who is going to f--king knock you out, so don't worry," the man said.
    The woman turned around and pointed at her NYPD hat, saying, "My husband died on 9/11."

    "Good for him," the man responded. "Good, good. NYPD was a bunch of sodomizers, f--king sodomizing immigrants with their bully sticks."

    "So yeah, your husband, should probably f--king rot in the grave."

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    Tracker who allegedly committed assault has been IDed as with Democratic group American Bridge 21st Century, founded by David Brock
    Jake Tapper added,

    @KyungLahCNN
    This is Kristin Davison, NV GOP Gov candidate @AdamLaxalt's campaign manager. A "tracker" assaulted her, per a police report, at a campaign rally. Trackers follow the opposition and record their movements. It's an ugly side of politics but this is a new low. …

  • loveconstitution1789||

    They arrested the guy for battery.

    When Lefties lose a bunch of seats in Congress this election 2018, watch them step up the violence. They cannot win via democracy in this Constitutional Democratic republic, so they will cheat and/or be violent to try and get their way.

  • Mickey Rat||

    Exactly what kind of damaged person do you have to be to say that to a stranger on the street?

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    ""NYPD was a bunch of sodomizers, f--king sodomizing immigrants with their bully sticks.""'

    Abner Louima's cousin on a rant?

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    Hilarious: In 2013, People Wanted An Exception Made For Totally White Guy Beto O'Rourke To Get Into The Hispanic Caucus
    The willingness of those on the left to shoe-horn in a privileged white guy under the banner of a minority representative is honestly laughable. But don't you dare put on a sombrero on Halloween or celebrate Cinco de Mayo.

  • General_Tso||

    Maybe he's one of those 'White Hispanics' I kept hearing about during the Zimmerman kerfuffle?

  • Red Tony||

    A weaner?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "The Trumpian taunt is a trap," writes Masha Gessen. Elizabeth Warren played right into it.

    Playing right into it is not remotely presidential.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    Liberals need a new approach to immigration
    Matteo Salvini, Italy's hard-right interior minister, deputy prime minister and leader of its Northern League, is surging in the popularity polls. Mr Salvini is likely in due course to become Italy's leader in large part because of his uncompromising stance on immigration. "People whose only contact with immigrants is with the Filipino servant who takes the dog for a walk in the evening are in favour of immigration, but they have no idea of how immigration is lived in the peripheries," he said in July.

    That, in a nutshell, is the charge made against smug liberals who champion "open borders". They get all the benefits of large-scale migration from low-wage countries: cheap nannies, Uber drivers, decorators, waiters, sandwich-makers, chambermaids and dog-walkers. But they don't rely on public housing, tend to have private health-care and often pay for private education so that their children are not brought up in classes where, in some cases, their native tongue is spoken by a minority.

  • John||

    That second paragraph sums it perfectly.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    It leave out "hip new instagram worthy ethnic restaurants", but otherwise spot on.

  • John||

    And food trucks. Every immigrant just wants to run a delicious food truck.

  • ||

    I have friends and family in France and Italy.

    The situation is much closer to what the so-called 'alt-right populist extremist' than what the so-called 'objective' (read: Liberal) media claims.

    It's pretty bad. There are indeed 'no-go' zones. One guy I know from Paris said in Paris there's de facto anarchy in the police ranks and has become more violent than anything in the USA.

    There's a vast under class of people that will or won't ever integrate.

  • juris imprudent||

    The French (and Germans) have never been big on assimilation, even for the likes of folk not so dissimilar. Add to that the economic segregation and stagnation - yeah cant imagine how that would fail to work.

  • Cathy L||

    That, in a nutshell, is the charge made against smug liberals who champion "open borders". They get all the benefits of large-scale migration from low-wage countries: cheap nannies, Uber drivers, decorators, waiters, sandwich-makers, chambermaids and dog-walkers. But they don't rely on public housing, tend to have private health-care and often pay for private education so that their children are not brought up in classes where, in some cases, their native tongue is spoken by a minority.

    It sounds like these native-born freeloaders are the problem. They can't afford housing or healthcare but they still have kids they can't afford to rear on their own too.

  • John||

    And immigrants don't have kids and never use public services at all. Did you even read the article?

    But hey, thanks for showing a great example of the kind of horrific, hateful people support open borders.

  • Conchfritters||

    unless @SecPompeo certifies that the Saudi government was not responsible for #JamalKhashoggi's disappearance

    Hell, Pompeo can get you a toe by 3:00 this afternoon.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    A new self-lubricating condom can "withstand 1,000 thrusts."

    Who wants someone thrusting at his dick while he's trying to have sex? Use your heads, condom makers.

  • ||

    But it does give you the advantage in a sword fight.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    WHO DOESN'T UNSHEATHE HIS SWORD FOR A SWORDFIGHT? Use your head, Chuck.

  • Dont Tread On Womyn||

    ENB are you even trying anymore there were full Reason articles on half of this yesterday, and there's no shortage of "serious journalism" about Khashoggi being written everyday elsewhere flooding the internet. the "self-lubricating condom" bit is the nail in the coffin.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    What about The Doatard's failure to stem illegal immigration?

    According to the DHS figures, agents took 107,212 members of "family units" into custody during fiscal 2018 — smashing the previous record of 77,857 from 2016.

    MAGA! MAGA!

  • John||

    taking them into custody is stopping illegal immigration you fucking retard. He can't stop them from coming, he can only police them up when they get here. God you are stupid.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    They are staying here in cages waiting to be "processed".

  • Kevin Decker||

    And? That means they were "stemmed." You were wrong.

  • John||

    Sure and they could get out of those cages any time they wanted to by just asking to go back where they came from. The process is exactly the same today as it was under the Chocolate Jesus.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    The process is exactly the same today as it was under the Chocolate Jesus.

    Which is my point. Fat Nixon has conned you into thinking he is doing something different.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    I know, right? It's totally the libertarian way to advocate that:

    1. the state detain people for victimless crimes, and then
    2. point out that if only the victims would just confess, they would be set free.

    What is so terribly wrong about that?

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    Silly Jeff. You think these people are humans. They are clearly illegal humans. Their mere presence here is what makes them hardened criminals that don't deserve due process.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    They are lower-class humans who deserve only as much kindness as one might give a family pet. But rights? Dignity? Ha! That's rich! Those illegal humans need to know their place, which is at the bottom of the social ladder, and it's the state's job to keep them there!

  • John||

    Yeah Leo, having a border dehumanizes everyone in the world.

    Thanks for further confirming why no one takes Libertarians seriously on immigration. You are all just complete ass clowns on the issue.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    No, John, having a border doesn't dehumanize people.

    The way that most of you describe undocumented immigrants is what dehumanizes people.

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    It's the cages, not the border, that dehumanize them.

  • John||

    They are not detained when you can leave anytime. Jesus fucking Christ you are a mendacious idiot. They are not confessing to anything. They are just going home because they have no right to be in this country. They choose to say where they are. You can't call someone who can leave any time they wish detained.;

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    They are not detained when you can leave anytime.

    That's right. It's a "detention center" not a jail. Those words change everything!

    And torture isn't really torture when it's called "enhanced interrogation".

    And a baby isn't really a baby when it's called a "fetus".

  • Pala Quarinho||

    "That's right. It's a "detention center" not a jail. Those words change everything!"

    The fact that they can leave whenever they want does.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    They can't leave whenever they want. There are walls and guards and rules. Kinda like a jail!

  • Pala Quarinho||

    "They can't leave whenever they want. "

    Citation Needed.

    Don't bother trying to find one either, you're wrong. If they ask to be returned home, it happens.

  • John||

    You are an idiot who doens't know how immigration law works. Anyone in detention not charged with a crime can leave detention by agreeing to be deported. Stop lying.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    If they ask to be returned home

    So they have to ask permission? They can't just walk up and stroll out the door whenever they like? Huh. I thought they could leave whenever they wanted.

    And of course the people with guns and badges who are totally different than prison guards will let their "guests" leave to wherever they please? No? They can only go to where the non-guards tell them to go? Oh.

  • Cathy L||

    They are not detained when you can leave anytime.

    Is that also what you say about US citizens stopped and harassed on the highway by border patrol even though they're 100 miles from a border?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Why would you ever let a border patrol vehicle stop you inside the USA?

    If they are not marked police vehicles, I aint stopping. I call 911 and tell them some no police vehicle is trying to illegally and unconstituionally stop me. Send a marked police vehicle. They always do.

  • Wileycat||

    I guess "took...into custody" means they got away.

  • Dont Tread On Womyn||

    This is what's known as a "self-own"

    (PB not the immigrants)

  • Dont Tread On Womyn||

    Also if you were trying to imply that I'm a Trump supporter or a Republican, you're wrong and I'm not sure what could have given you that idea besides you being a goofy goofball that goofs off on the internet too much and thinks everyone is a Trump supporter.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    No, I actually expected an ENB mention of Trump's idiotic Tweet from this morning blaming Democrats for the inflow of illegals.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    No no, it's totally correct. The Left is responsible for all problems everywhere. They are like the plague in the Walking Dead. They turn people into NPC zombies and only the 'good guys' like Johnny Longstorso here can see the truth and protect civilization from the mindless hordes.

    Life is just so much easier when you reduce all problems to caricatured versions of Good and Evil. You always remain the Good Guy, and everyone else is always the Epitome of Evil.

  • Azathoth!!||

    Here, let's fix that--


    Life is just so much easier when you reduce all refutations of your arguments to claims that they're caricatured versions of Good and Evil. You always remain a legend in your own mind.

    Using humans as fungible cogs in 'society' is the root of all problems Jeff. It is the stance you take on immigration, and it is a basic procedure of leftism--it is something they embrace so totally that it is one with them.

  • Dont Tread On Womyn||

    Word, my b

  • ||

    the "self-lubricating condom" bit is the nail in the coffin.

    That story just slipped in there...

  • General_Tso||

    Who broke the story?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    This sort of apathy, suggests Wolfe, "isn't a bad thing––it frees people's energy up to focus on things that really matter: their families, their jobs, and drinking Tecate at a Tex-Mex restaurant on a Tuesday night."

    Or maybe on reducing the amount of power Beto or Cruz could have over their lives.

  • Conchfritters||

    Until Beto can do an ollie kickflip on that board, he's just a poser.

  • Mongo||

    Excitedly, followed by great disappointment, I thought the Shoshana tweet shown was Shoshana Lonstein, the stacked Jewess of Seinfeld infamy.

  • General_Tso||

    She did have a blouse full of goodies, didn't she?

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    Julian Castro is throwing his machete into what looks like it's going to be a massive three ring circus clown car of democratic presidential candidates.

    Good luck Castro, to say you're going to need it is the mother of all understatements.

  • John||

    The Democrats have a problem. Their entire coalition is built on identity politics and depends upon getting a big turnout from the various identity groups to win. The problem is that each group will only turnout for a candidate from their group. It is idenity politics and all. Blacks turned out for Obama but didn't really turnout for Hillary and would almost certainly not turnout for a Hispanic. Hispanics, went 30% for Trump and would be unlikely to turn out big for a black candidate.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    The GOP has a problem - the Con Man's approval rating is only 33%.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    Hey NPC Weigel.

  • John||

    http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....-6179.html

    No it is not you lying retard.

    And Nate Silver is now saying that the Republicans are more likely to get 54 seats in the Senate than the Democrats are to take it back.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer......the-senate

    Crazy, stupid and violent is no way to run a political party son.

  • Kevin Decker||

    Wow if that RCP poll is accurate, that guy wasn't even close with 33%.

  • ||

    'that guy'?

    New around here?

    'That guy' is our resident classical liberal.

  • ||

    /sarc.

  • Kevin Decker||

    You mean "liberal " with the facts?

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    Their disgusting smear job on Kavanaugh and insane reaction in the aftermath of their failure really looks like it's backfiring on them in the biggest way.

    That CNN interview with a bunch of random women where almost all of them expressed disgust with the whole thing probably should have been a major clue that this would be the result.

  • ||

    But those 'disapprove' ratings aren't much to brag about.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    No doubt, but identity politics has a bigger problem in that sooner or later, people with an ounce of brains will realize that voting for a candidate because he or she looks like them is seriously dumb.

    Just because someone's ancestors came from the same part of the world as your ancestors and that person therefore looks like you in terms of skin coloring doesn't mean that person shares your ideas, or your ideals, or has your best interests at heart because their own best interests are like yours.

    If you think about it, identity politics is all about prejudice. It means avoiding taking any time to get to know someone as an individual and just assuming they are like everyone else from their particular group.

  • John||

    The other problem is intermarriage. The old school racist regimes banned intermarriage not just because they thought it was icky but more because intermarriage and the resulting mixed race children make it impossible to maintain a race based system as it gets harder and harder to tell who is who.

    The whole identy politics model was based on all ethnic groups being homogonous the way black voters are and that never changing. Blacks have a unique history in this country and their voting 90% Democrat is a one off thing that will never be recreated among other groups. And since intermarriage among the various other groups and whites is so common, those groups are slowly melting away anyway.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    Conservatives invented the One Drop Rule to outlaw interracial marriage.

    All that PRESERVE OUR RACE/HERITAGE is on your kind.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    Old school racist regimes would be the democrats.

    The longest serving democrat senator was a former high ranking member of the KKK

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Old school racist regimes would be the democrats.

    Yes, that's right. Back when Democrats were the conservative party and Republicans were the progressive party.

  • Azathoth!!||

    Yes, that's right. Back when Democrats were the conservative party and Republicans were the progressive party.

    Nope. Virulent racism is a feature of progressivism to this day.

    Republicans have always wanted to conserve the ideals laid down in the Constitution. This is entirely different from wanting to hold on to the failed ideas of the past.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    Old school racist regimes would be the democrats.

    Which is why I use "conservative", "liberal", and "progressive" to describe political factions. Party ID is useless.

  • Saleem||

    Except your designations fail. There was significant protection for African-Americans from groups like CPUSA, who were openly aligned with Democrats during a period where you are claiming the Democrats were "conservative." Other member of the Democratic party were less helpful regarding civil rights during that time. Republicans were less fractured, but still had their own coalitions.

    The situation was far too nuanced for the ham-handed analysis you're doing.

  • Red Tony||

    Somebody's upset about something. Wanna talk about it?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Which hot new lip gloss goes with this? Whichever the state decides will be the only lip gloss! https://t.co/lmRONKYnRf
    — Shoshana Weissmann, Regulatory Reform Muse (@senatorshoshana) October 18, 2018

    Teen Vogue: your go-to source of economic philosophy.

  • Drave Robber||

    The state doesn't bother about lip gloss.

    You'll however get some family secrets from your grandma when you turn 12. Where do you think all those Eastern European organic cosmetics companies grow from?

  • Griffin3||

    In Soviet Russia, you are your own lip gloss!

  • ||

    The state doesn't bother about lip gloss.

    I'll say:

    Capitalism is defined as an economic system in which a country's trade, industry, and profits are controlled by private companies, instead of by the people whose time and labor powers those companies.

  • Dillinger||

    Teen Vogue better hope Barron doesn't prefer Tiger Beat

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    Border Patrol agents have seen a major surge in the number of migrant parents entering the US illegally with children, according to a new report.

    More than 16,500 family members were arrested in September, marking an 80 percent increase from July — and a new one-month record.

    "We're getting hammered daily," explained one Border Patrol agent, who spoke to the newspaper under the condition of anonymity.

    According to the DHS figures, agents took 107,212 members of "family units" into custody during fiscal 2018 — smashing the previous record of 77,857 from 2016.

    White House aides told the Post that President Trump is "furious" about the uptick, and has been receiving "regular updates on the border numbers."

    Post

    MAGA! WTF?

  • Nardz||

    Probably not a good idea for y'all to ramp up your smuggling right before midterms

  • John||

    http://www.redstate.com/prevai.....ic-caucus/

    IN 2013 Beto wanted to join the Hispanic Caucus in the House. They politely declined. Unvelievable.

  • creech||

    Racists. If one can self- identify by gender, why not by ethnicity?

  • John||

    I don't see why not either. But, Progressives generally see it differently, unless it is a rich white guy son of a judge wanting to get his Mexican on. But remember, any non party member who so much as wears a sombero is the RACIST!!

  • Bubba Jones||

    This begs the question.

    Is the Hispanic Caucus about the congresscritters, or about their constituents?

    If O'Rourke is elected by a hispanic electorate, doesn't that imply he cares about hispanic issues?

  • Dillinger||

    it implies who lives where he reigns

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "A state-run narrative dominates the public psyche, and while many do not believe it, a large majority of the population falls victim to this false narrative. Sadly, this situation is unlikely to change."

    He was killed for decrying fake news? Trump should be more sympathetic.

  • Mongo||

    "How about a deep-muscle, fake massage, sahib?" - Dr. Hamdaan 'The Eviscerator' al-Abood.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    A new self-lubricating condom can "withstand 1,000 thrusts."

    (picturing ENB testing this condom)

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    You saying she has a schlong?

  • Aloysious||

    You're doing it wrong.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    Am I Aloysious, am I?

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    I put the condom on the banana like I was taught. I don't understand how she got pregnant.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    So if most of the ME apart from Tunisia lacks a free press and, as Kashoggi said, the general population "living in these countries are either uninformed or misinformed," how is that much different than here?

    I get that over there, governments impose rules on journalists, whereas here journalists tend to fawn over authoritarians (at least the ones they find sympathetic) and willingly act as their propaganda ministers. The end result is the same, however: a largely misinformed or even completely distracted populace.

    You could even argue it's worse when the press is a willing accomplice in deception. It's possible for people to revolt against government oppression, and when they do, that's called a revolution---that's even how the US came to be. But if people take up arms against reporters and media outlets, that would be called criminal trespassing and assault, or even murder.

    I know I tend to trash government a lot around here, but I have to admit it was actually kind of brilliant of them to seduce and voluntarily co-opt the press rather than threatening errant press outlets with fines and jail the way so many other authoritarian governments around the world like to do.

  • John||

    I don't see how a fully state run media would have behaved any differently during the Obama administration than our "free media" did. And it is very clever what they have done and much more dangerous than a full state run media. Everyone knows not to trust a state run media. It has taken decades for the public to finally figure out it can't trust our co-opted media.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    You're so right, John. That sycophatic press would never write articles like this.

  • John||

    Yes they would. They just would continue to support him, which is what they did. Obama was free to bug journalists, charge them with crimes or do whatever he liked and he could still count on their near unanomous support.

    Thanks for the link making my point. You really should change your screen name to "Jeff own goal scoring individualist" for truth in advertising purposes.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    No you're totally right. A "fully state run media" would absolutely have written articles critical of the regime in charge. You are a complete idiot.

    Although it is amusing to see conservatives get all worked up over OMG MEDIA BIAS and then in the very next breath cite some NY Times or WaPo article as an authoritative reference to prove their point about a totally different subject.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Here is a clue John.

    You want to know who broke the Hillary email server story?

    That's right, it was the fkn New York Times.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

  • Sevo||

    "That Khashoggi's disappearance has captured U.S. media attention for days is itself something of an anomaly..."

    But easy to understand: It's a stick with which those suffering from TDS use to beat Trump.
    Other than that, while deplorable, it has absolutely no effect on the US.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    Trump's affection for his fellow fascists is the concern.

  • Here for the outrage||

    "Kill Brown people or you're literally Hitler!"

    It must be tough to be this deranged. Maybe go smash some windows while Mom cooks your lunch

  • Sevo||

    Sarah Palin's Buttplug|10.18.18 @ 10:05AM|#
    "Trump's affection for his fellow fascists is the concern."

    Proving you suffer from TDS is not making an argument, turd.
    You LOST, loser. Fuck off.

  • DRM||

    You're the one who is taking the Turkish fascists at their word regarding the disappearance of a journalist in Turkey.

    "Oh, yeah, it's totally the fault of our regional rivals!" declares the Erdogan regime. "We've got lots and lots of evidence!" When asked to actually provide the evidence, the regime answered, "We've got an audio recording, even! Trust us!"

  • ||

    Someone hasn't come to terms with the white supremacist genocidal maniac in the White House.

  • Fancylad||

    white supremacist!
    What did he say that was racist?
    Mexico and Islam are races because of secret dog whistles and shit!
    genocidal maniac!
    What has he done that's genocidal?
    He'll do it soon, he's anti-Semitic!
    Aren't his daughter, son-in-law and grandson Jewish? Aren't they the only advisors he listens to?
    He's an Israeli stooge, he hates the Arabs!
    Arabs like the Saudis?
    REEEEEeeeeeeeeeeee!!

  • Red Tony||

    Rufus be making with the sarcasm, you foppish boy.

  • Jerryskids||

    "The Trumpian taunt is a trap," writes Masha Gessen.

    No way! Are you suggesting Trump is a troll? I've never heard such a thing!

  • John||

    The idea that Trump would bait and manipulate his opponents into doing crazy and stupid things is just shocking. Shocking I tell you.

  • Here for the outrage||

    "What the Arab world needs most is free expression"

    The Arab world disagrees

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    LOL, yeah, Teen Vogue, that's some sharp economic analysis. Now we know where Ocasio-Cortez gets her economics theories from.

  • Here for the outrage||

    Shoshana is Bae

  • Juice||

    Bonana-fanna fo-shana

  • Just Say'n||

    Good on Amash for finally co-sponsoring legislation regarding Saudi weapon sales, which Massie and Rand have been co-sponsoring for over a year. Takes him a little more time to be principled on foreign policy

  • Jerryskids||

    What evidence is there that global warming might lead to a return of the plague?

    Chief amongst such diseases is the plague, which Frankopan states was spread in the Middle Ages largely due to a rise in global temperatures.

    "For example, in the 1340s, a 1.5-degree movement of heating of the earth's atmosphere — probably because of solar flares or volcanic activity — changes the cycle of Yersinia pestis bacterium," he explained.

    LOL - some climate denier who doesn't even know that the so-called "Medieval Warming Period" has been thoroughly debunked as a myth. There was no warming of the Earth's atmosphere in the 1340's so how could that possibly be an explanation for the plague? Dumbass!

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    Just 33% of American voters approve of how President Donald Trump is performing as president, a new Quinnipiac University poll has found.

    The findings mark Trump's lowest approval rating and highest disapproval rating in the Quinnipiac poll. Sixty-one percent of respondents say they disapprove of the President's performance, with 55% of people saying they strongly disapprove -- the highest share of respondents yet.
    Trump's numbers declined more among Republicans than they did among Democrats, who had already viewed the President unfavorably. In late June, 84% of Republicans approved of Trump's performance -- now, 76% of Republicans say the same. Seventeen percent of Republicans now say they disapprove of the way Trump is performing in the job.

    Quinnipiac is an 'A' rated pollster.

    EAT ME TRUMPTARD NAZIS!

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    Hey NPC Weigel. How is the NPC problem acne today?

  • Kevin Decker||

    https://poll.qu.edu

    3. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling his job as president?
    WHITE......
    COLLEGE DEG
    Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom Yes No

    Approve 41% 83% 8% 37% 48% 35% 40% 58%
    Disapprove 53 12 90 53 44 60 56 36
    DK/NA 6 4 2 10 7 6 3 7

  • John||

    No link and every poll listed at RCP says otherwise. But hey, why not listen to the voices in your head?

  • Kevin Decker||

    I linked to the poll he claims he is using.

    He was lying.

  • John||

    He always does. If you beleived in such things, you could fairly call his lying demonic.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    Not lying you conservative retard. It was August data. I don't look every day.

    I remember when the Bushpig's hit an all time low of 22% during the economic meltdown. His has crept up too.

  • Wileycat||

    "Not lying you conservative retard. It was August data. I don't look every day."

    Or even every month.

  • Sevo||

    Sarah Palin's Buttplug|10.18.18 @ 10:35AM|#
    "Not lying you conservative retard."

    Lying turd. In your case, it's the default assumption and rarely wrong.
    LYING.

  • Kevin Decker||

    No, you were lying. You had no trouble presenting months old data as accurate. Unless you know literally nothing about polling, in which case why are you talking about it?

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    Bullshit. I last heard 33% just before the Kavanaugh bump (which is temporary).

    I argue with you Bratfart rejects frequently. You can't tell me which is the last poll I recall.

    Is that fucker still dead, by the way?

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    ""I last heard 33% just before the Kavanaugh bump (which is temporary).""

    If you know that, then you knew you were presenting old data.

    You might want to do yourself the favor and ask yourself what the current data suggests before you talk about polls.

  • Kevin Decker||

    Or he could just keep lying.

  • Sevo||

    You're lying turd, you never do otherwise.
    You have a well-earned rep: You lie. When truth would serve, you lie. If you are typing, you are lying.
    No one here is fooled into thinking othwise.
    You LIE.

  • Saleem||

    Sarah Palin's Buttplug

    You got caught lying.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    And has not paid the bet.

  • Red Tony||

    Technically, Palin's Buttplug is correct. I did a search of RCP's polling data for Trump's approval and found that Trump did indeed hit 33% in a few polls, including one from Quinnipiac in August.

    Of 2017.

  • Saleem||

    No, he's still technically wrong, he used present tense.

  • Red Tony||

    I meant he was technically correct when he claimed it was "August data."

  • Saleem||

    Fair enough.

  • Dillinger||

    >>>technically wrong

    best kind of wrong there is

  • Ken Shultz||

    I linked to the poll he claims he is using.

    He was lying."

    I'm gonna butt in here.

    In order to be lying, Shrike would have to care whether he's wrong or right.

    Shrike doesn't care whether he's wrong or right. He's just a hater, and haters don't care whether they're wrong or right.

  • Pala Quarinho||

    "In order to be lying, Shrike would have to care whether he's wrong or right."

    I'm gonna butt in here and point out that you may have gotten "liar' and "sociopath" confused, but I also cannot blame you, they appear together so often that thay are essentially the same thing.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Lying implies an attempt to deceive. shrike doesn't even know the difference between truth and falsehood. How can he intend to deceive if he doesn't even recognize the truth anymore because he doesn't care?

  • sharmota4zeb||

    A new self-lubricating condom can "withstand 1,000 thrusts."

    I wish someone had invented a double sided version of that a few years ago before my boyfriend moved out of town. It would have make putting up with him easier. To be frank, it would have made the process very enjoyable. Condoms take away the functionality of a foreskin.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Oh yeah, and the Saudi Arabian government is annoying, but I'm working on it. It's just not the biggest thing on my to do list at the moment.

  • Fancylad||

    It's Pat Buchanan.
    moves to limit weapons sales to Saudis while evangelical leaders defend them
    Fuck off ENB.

    "Evangelicals" in the American sense don't even have leaders. It's not Roman Catholicism with a pope. It's more like Hinduism where anyone can call themselves a sadhu or a guru, don an orange robe and gather followers. Why is the religion of 32% of North Americans always a mystery to the Journolist crowd.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    "Evangelicals" in the American sense don't even have leaders.

    Oh bullshit. Fundie-Nuts have multiple leaders. Billy Graham was one.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    "Evangelicals" in the American sense don't even have leaders.

    Bullshit. Fundie-Nuts have their leaders. Billy Graham was one.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    Hey NPC Weigel. His point was there is no official leadership. No Pope or the equivalent.

  • Fancylad||

    How was he leader? Was there an evangelical election? Was he appointed by "evangelical cardinals"?
    No. He held big televised church meetings and schmoozed with politicians and journalists. That doesn't make you a leader of anything, it just means you're famous.

    You just made the same idiot assumption ENB did. For a guy who hates Christians wants so much he wants to kill them all, you're remarkably uninformed about your enemy.

  • Saleem||

    And polls. And immigration.

  • Red Tony||

    And most subjects, really.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Lets just say everything and cover all of our bases.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    I said "a" leader, you fucking idiot.

    Just as capitalists don't elect have an official leader but we recognize Warren Buffett as "a leader" because of his unmatched prominence and success.

    Now I realize that greasy-haired conservatives who purport to be capitalists won't acknowledge Buffett but their ignorance exempts their opinion as a valid one.

  • Saleem||

    but we recognize Warren Buffett as "a leader"

    We do? Most people don't recognize him at all, and the one's who do recognize him as nothing more than a "do as i say not as i do" crony capitalist.

  • lap83||

    "It's more like Hinduism where anyone can call themselves a sadhu or a guru, don an orange robe and gather followers."

    For some weird reason you used delightfully quaint ethnic people to describe Christians in your analogy rather than Nazis, so it makes no sense. /prog

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    "Evangelicals" in the American sense don't even have leaders.

    That is aggressive stupidity or profound ignorance.

  • Mock-star||

    Yes, your posts generally are.

  • Brandybuck||

    The Christian Right has ceased being Christian and they have ceased being right on the very few things they were ever right about.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Yeah, seeing all the articles after the election trying to justify how they could support Trump given his wicked ways made me realize that for at least the politically active ones, it's more about power than about morals.

  • Sarah Palin's Buttplug||

    Evangelical Christianity by definition is elitist and racist since only true Christians (non-Jews - WASPs) get into their giant gated community.

    Trump's base in other words.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    No, that is not true. I have encountered quite a few evangelical Christians and they have always been very decent people. What I'm describing are the politically active ones, not the ordinary ones.

  • Fancylad||

    Fuck you're retarded. How can someone live surrounded by hundreds of millions of the people he despises, but not even understand the basics of what they believe?
    I'm starting to think the NPC meme is pretty accurate for you. You can only think what you're told to think. Learning by observation is impossible.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    How can someone live surrounded by hundreds of millions of the people he despises, but not even understand the basics of what they believe?

    Oh that's a problem for quite a few people, not just the Buttplugs of the world.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "How can someone live surrounded by hundreds of millions of the people he despises, but not even understand the basics of what they believe?"

    It's easy. You just hate Christians so much that you don't care whether you're wrong or right.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    but not even understand the basics of what they believe?

    They believe fairy tales are true.

    I blame childhood indoctrination, mostly, but there is plenty of gullibility and ignorance involved..

  • Collidus||

    "They believe fairy tales are true."

    "Socialism can work!!! Lived experience!!! Women don't lie about rape!!!"

  • Dillinger||

    >>>after giving up hope that he would return alive

    "place i'm likely to be cut into pieces while I watch" is not first place i'm going on any given day.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Is one of those economists Paul Krugman.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    President Trump instructed his cabinet secretaries Wednesday to reduce their departmental spending by 5 percent or more next year.

    Doubt many MSM will discuss this as Trump wanting to do what he can to cut federal spending.

  • Dillinger||

    less Cristal for staff. check.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Repeat!

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