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Brett Kavanaugh's Illegal Beer Consumption Highlights the Perversity of Drinking Ages

The Supreme Court nominee's teenaged tippling was typical, although the law pretends otherwise.

Senate Judiciary CommitteeSenate Judiciary CommitteeSupreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh mentioned beer 28 times during his testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee last Thursday, inviting mockery and semiotic speculation. The reason the subject came up was pretty clear: Christine Blasey Ford, the California research psychologist who says he tried to rape her when they were both in high school, described him as very drunk at the time, and one possible explanation for his seeming sincerity in denying her charge (in addition to the possibility that he is innocent) is that he honestly does not recall the episode because alcohol clouded his memory.

In response to repetitive questioning on the subject, Kavanaugh said no fewer than 10 times that he has never experienced alcohol-related memory gaps. But the discussion of Kavanaugh's drinking during high school and college ranged beyond that narrow issue, and his responses were by turns defiant, evasive, implausible, and misleading. The tenor of those exchanges was partly due to Kavanaugh's resentment of questions he deemed nosy and irrelevant. But it also reflected the clash between official expectations and the reality of adolescent drinking in America, a contradiction that he and his interlocutors seemed keen to ignore.

"My friends and I sometimes got together and had parties on weekends," Kavanaugh said in his opening statement. "The drinking age was 18 in Maryland for most of my time in high school and was 18 in D.C. for all of my time in high school. I drank beer with my friends. Almost everyone did. Sometimes I had too many beers. Sometimes others did. I liked beer. I still like beer. But I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out, and I never sexually assaulted anyone." Later he added that "the drinking age, as I noted, was 18, so the seniors were legal, senior year in high school, people were legal to drink."

As several news outlets pointed out, the drinking age for beer and wine in Maryland, where Kavanaugh lived and went to school, was raised from 18 to 21 in July 1982, seven months before his 18th birthday. In other words, it was not legal for him to drink in Maryland at any point during his high school years. It would have been legal for him to buy and consume beer in D.C., which did not raise its drinking age from 18 to 21 until 1986, for most of his senior year, but it sounds like the parties to which he refers generally happened in Maryland. The fact that "the drinking age was 18 in Maryland for most of my time in high school" no doubt made it easier for underage students like Kavanaugh to obtain beer, but it did not make it legal.

Once Kavanaugh started attending Yale in the fall of 1983, the legal picture was more complicated. The drinking age in Connecticut at that point was 20, an age Kavanaugh did not reach until February 1985. It rose to 21 that September, but Kavanaugh would have been grandfathered, since he had already turned 20. In other words, it was illegal for Kavanaugh to drink as a freshman and the first semester or so of his sophomore year, a period when he, like most of his peers, nevertheless drank.

I was born the same year as Kavanaugh (1965), and I had a somewhat similar experience at Cornell. The drinking age in New York initially was 19, but it rose to 21 as of December 1985. Unlike Connecticut, New York did not give a pass to people who were already drinking legally at that point. So I entered college an underage drinker, became legal in September 1984, and a year later became illegal again, a status that lasted for a year. Since I have given up all hope of a Supreme Court nomination, I can readily admit that the varying legality of my alcohol consumption had no impact on it, except that I sometimes relied on older friends to buy liquor for me.

What's true in college is also true in high school: It is quite common for students to drink, even though it's illegal. In last year's Monitoring the Future Study, 56 percent of high school seniors reported drinking, down from 87 percent when Kavanaugh was in his last year at Georgetown Prep. When Kavanaugh says "almost everyone" his age was drinking, he is right. Underage drinking was the rule, not the exception, when Kavanaugh was in high school, and it would be strange to hold it against him. But instead of saying that, he misleadingly implied that his beer drinking complied with the law.

Kavanaugh did admit that he sometimes drank too much, but he was evasive in explaining what that meant. "What do you consider to be too many beers?" asked Rachel Mitchell, the prosecutor posing questions on behalf of the committee's Republican members. Kavanaugh's response beggared belief: "I don't know. You know, we—whatever the chart says, a blood-alcohol chart."

It is, of course, laughable to imagine Kavanaugh and his high school buddies consulting "a blood-alcohol chart" before deciding whether to have another brewski. But even if we take Kavanaugh to mean that he was careful not to drive while intoxicated, that does not really answer the question. For someone who is not planning to drive, the question of how many beers are too many has little to do with the legal standard for DUI. A good rule of thumb might be that you've drunk too many beers if you find yourself vomiting or waking up with a hangover. Young people learn their limits through practice, and those limits vary from person to person.

How often Kavanaugh drank to excess in high school and college, and exactly how drunk he was on those occasions, is a matter of some dispute among people who knew him then. But it is safe to assume that he drank a lot, as was (and is) common for high school and college students. It does not follow that he experienced blackouts, that he became aggressive, or that he assaulted Ford (or anyone else). I drank a lot in college, too much on more than a few occasions, but never found myself in a situation where I could not remember what had happened the night before or needed other people's help to piece it together. Nor was that a common experience in my social circle, although I can't speak for Kavanaugh's.

Whatever did or did not happen between Kavanaugh and Ford, this much we know: As a teenager and young man, Kavanaugh drank illegally, and sometimes he drank too much. In those respects he was not at all unusual compared to his peers, who officially were not allowed to drink, did it anyway, and sometimes "had too many beers."

You might even think there is a relationship between illegality and excess, since prohibition pushes drinking underground and makes it harder for young people to learn from older drinkers who might know a thing or two about how to stop short of too many beers. Instead high school and college students bumble along, learning from mistakes they might have avoided. Nowadays almost none of them are legally allowed to drink, even though many of them are considered adults in almost every other respect. They therefore drink on the sly, which is not conducive to moderation or responsibility. That perverse situation was the unacknowledged subtext of all the beer talk at Thursday's hearing.

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  • Ben_||

    Is it even possible to get blackout drunk on only beer?

  • Linux||

    Yeah that's been my question too. There's so many people acting like there's no way he never blacked out drinking all that beer, but I drank pretty heavily in high school and college and the only time I blacked out was one of the times I drank a fifth of liquor.

  • HANSENWT||

    Same, I was 5'6 and 125 lbs, drank a case of beer one night...unfortunately remember everything all too well and wish I blacked out for the whole next day but did not...absolutely know I was blacked out for two occasions over a decade apart (I can still remember before and after well)....both extreme hard core liquor....never on just drinking beer and I like beer.

  • Nom de Sobriquet||

    Good point. I can't think of how an inexperienced (i.e. teenager) drinker could get more than 5 to 7 beers down (depending on physical size) before pulling a Willy the Waterbug in the driveway.

  • HANSENWT||

    Yes I am a bit stymied by Kav and Judge being "inebriated" at the beginning of a pre-party before a party on a Thursday night at 17. Lived similar high school experience...didn't usually have a pre-party ever...and during the week maybe 1 or two beers at most as we would normally have work, school, something on M-F....Friday Saturday Night though....look out...but no pre parties....maybe club first and after party...did that a lot...but they would not have gone to a "club" before 6 pm and be 17....so some of it does not add up. Also as far as slurring your words meaning you were cranked....I would reach that stage quickly but stay there forever and not get inebriated...as far as complete loss of control drunk would take an enormous amount and beer and wine would not get me to that escalation....just a nice happy buzz all night....so not sure that some folks characterization of drinking makes sense.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Yes. Especially with 17-year-olds.

  • Ben_||

    How many 12 oz beers does it take? Per hour, for how long?

    Or are you trolling?

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    All these things depend on body weight of course, and on one's personal tolerance for alcohol.
    And if you don't know your limits, and you have friends egging you on to chug more and more beers, then it's actually not unreasonable.

  • Ben_||

    Friends egging you on don't make your stomach any bigger or more resilient.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    http://www.moderation.org/bac/bac-men.html

    14 beers in 2 hours can yield a BAC greater than 0.2 for a 180-lb man.

    And yes 14 beers in 2 hours is not really unusual for stupid teenagers playing stupid drinking games.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Sorry, that should be 14 beers in 3 hours.

  • Ben_||

    Ok, possible. It would take motivation. And you'd need to not hurl it back up somehow.

    I don't know if I buy that you'd be likely to black out at that level though. Maybe.

  • Intelligent Mr Toad||

    RE: "Is it even possible to get blackout drunk on only beer?"

    Yes, if you boof it.

  • HANSENWT||

    You bring up an interesting point...and I suspect some of the yearbooks are a bit of glamorization or making fun of conversation not reality. Sure they could have tried it but that was much more college type stuff. Also the aluminus...my guess is some of them lied about her or just that she was many of his groups fond topic..and again probably over glamorization of anything that happened especially if she showed up in a few spots. So everybody liked her and they talked about her and maybe a few actually got to go out with her. She was obviously an agreed favorite....doesn't mean what everybody wants it to. Which is why the third accuser seems beyond way out there.....this is 1982....15-17 year olds to include rich kid football players were still afraid of their shadow with girls more then they weren't. I would have absolutely thought it was not only wrong but gross and I am class of 83....so...there's that.

  • JFree||

    Also the aluminus...my guess is some of them lied about her or just that she was many of his groups fond topic...doesn't mean what everybody wants it to.

    Bullshit. It means exactly what everyone thinks it means.

    My guess is they all lied about her. She had a name that rhymes easily with a lot of words and fits in with rugby songs (which is what I played). Which means that she would have been very unfortunate - and been the object of drunken sing-alongs after games or on road trips to games. And some would've taken that as license to pretend that that is all real and made it even more of an insult like they are living out the songs. Far easier since she would never know as she went to a different school.

  • MichaelL||

    Only time I forgot anything about an evening was one while drinking beer. It is about tolerance and BAC. So many other factors are involved. I must be a saint because I never drank illegally. Many of my friends did, in high school. The girl, tat my brother married, had been stealing from the family liquor cabinet by the time she was 10 yo! Almost felt she was becoming an alcoholic, although she did not progress to that point.

  • Homple||

    Yes. I did it my self, on Hamm's to be honest. A good friend of mine did it on 3.2% beer in Menominee, Wisconsin in 1967.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    If it's physically possible than someone's probably done it. There's someone in this world who blacked out on near beer, I just know it.

  • Cy||

    There are a lot of people that confuse 'black out drunk' with 'fell asleep.'

  • ipsquire||

    And somewhere in between, there's "how did I get home?" and "why am I sleeping on the floor?". Do all these "never blacked out" folks honestly remember every party and bar crawl from their early 20s? Even the entirely sober ones? The name of every individual they kissed? Credibility is scarce.

  • BSL1||

    From the land of sky blue waters?

  • Ron||

    Is it even possible to get blackout drunk on only beer?
    Yes if you are a diabetic or an extreme alcoholic where you are always one beer away from blacking out. I have friends with both issues the diabetic refuses to see a doctor and the alcoholic died at 58

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    It is for a scrawny teenager without a strong tolerance for alcohol.

  • DajjaI||

    Klobuchar's father was an alcoholic. Meaning, she believes that the dear man was corrupted and nearly killed by alcohol. The subtext here is to imply that illegal drinking leads to rape. (She also pushes 'human trafficking' propaganda, which is basically the same: "I thought I wanted to have sex for money but in reality I was forced into it by evil men who corrupted my soul.") This way the government can regulate it more strictly and mandate 'treatment'. But overall, this debacle will discredit the addiction narrative. I can't wait to hear what they find out from Mark Judge, author of "Wasted".

  • MSimon||

    Addiction is a symptom of PTSD. Look it up.

    The NIDA says Addiction Is A Genetic Disease

  • Sevo||

    MSimon|10.1.18 @ 12:36AM|#
    "Addiction is a symptom of PTSD. Look it up."
    No, YOU look it up.

    "The NIDA says Addiction Is A Genetic Disease"
    So?

  • HANSENWT||

    Your right on the subtext...drinking leads to rape...they established that as date rape in the late 80's....problem is that was not all 50 states overnight and it was not well publicized...I saw a pamphlet at a doctor's office and picked it up, shared with my wife and she hadn't heard of it either and it was telling us about the NJ laws which she grew up NJ. But now we all know that if a girl drinks she can't give consent...but a guy is fully in control if "something" happens....and they are playing all of that angle here....why she may have carefully chose "1" beer for her memory...if you listen to her there are que's based on now not how a 15 year old in 82 would have thought about the event....I can tell you "rape" was not even in my vocabulary in high school but both boys and girls like to drink beer and get "loosened" up and yeah boys hoped for the best and no one considered that rape...and I never actually heard of anyone getting "raped" the whole time in high school....and I am sure a few thousand times someone regretted the night before....we always blamed the alcohol not each other.

  • Curly4||

    Well Dr. Ford admitted to being drunk at the party which Kavanaugh said he did not attend. So if Kavanaugh's drinking was illegal then Ford's would be more so because she was younger. So is Kavanaugh drinking any more of a problem than Fords? If Kavanaugh is lying, then cannot Ford be lying also because she was drunk and may not recall what happened which it seems to me that she admitted.

  • Nom de Sobriquet||

    I think, had the article addressed this very point (or the state of any of the supernumerary accusers for that matter), it might have had a purpose.

  • JesseAz||

    Can we stop calling psychologist doctors? The replication rate of their studies is under 50%. Would we call a quarter a doctor?

  • kevrob||

    Doctor is Latin for "teacher," derived from the verb docere, "to teach." Why are medical practitioners the only ones who get to use it? Etymologically, college instructors with a PhD have a better claim to it than do medicos who don't teach. In the olden days, any medical man would have apprentices who learned from him, just as lawyers had clerks who "read the law" under their tutelage. I guess they think it classier than "barber-chirurgeon."

  • MoreFreedom||

    Seems to me the idea of what kids did as teens is really irrelevant unless it involves a serious crime (drinking obviously is not, even to excess as Sullum points out many people learn their alcohol limits around that time). Groping someone as a teen would also qualify as not a serious crime in my book. Cory Booker's admitted groping during his teen years also is the definition of hypocrisy given his stance on Kavanaugh's fitness for office.

    This whole character assassination via last minute sexual misconduct allegations is a frequent Democrat tactic, and simply for that reason, including their a) violating Ford's request to remain anonymous when they could have, b) holding it to the last minute rather than having it investigated earlier c) the appearance that Ford's lawyers are working for and being paid by the Democrats, and d) all the solid EVIDENCE supports Kavanaugh, we should just ignore the allegation and Kavanaugh should be confirmed.

    From a libertarian perspective IMHO, Kavanaugh is a good pick compared to the last dozen justices appointed to the court.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    These things are not problems if you have a 'D' after your name. Party members in good standing are exempt from such things. It is the democrat way.

  • esteve7||

    The same people on the left that would argue (somewhat correctly) that we should lighten up on juvenile offenses, not have them haunt you for your life, etc, forget all of that in calling Brett Kav a violent drunk frat boy for drinking beer at 17.

    Principles over Principals. Resist by any means necessary!

  • Linux||

    They would also argue that women who black out are not responsible for anything they do sexually from that point on, especially if they're in school. And God help you if you dredge up her sexual history.

  • HANSENWT||

    you don't want to dredge up that other part but it looks like they have clamped it pretty good so far...I can't even find some reports I saw with her yearbook and some of her class mates and their claim of the lifestyle....one thing that perplexes me a bit if any of her background is true...she did not look like (at the hearing) or sound like a cheerleader who was allegedly a party girl for at least 5 years after this event allegedly took place....(was claims from high school and college days before she moved). If the event wrecked her and yes it could have and how she acts now could be the result of such a horrible trauma....but I have never heard of someone escalating their behavior for 5 or more years then suddenly buckling into this "church mouse" or "scared rabbit" persona....that normally occurs right after the tragedy if that happens and obviously the opposite happens as well so the 5 or so years of getting drunk and being a party favorite would roll with that ....but both happening and one after the other....seems a little strange...hard to find anything on her even a video before the hearing...She talked in that cutsey young girl shy emotional distraught tone the whole time....so does she talk like that right now...did she before? and did she in high school...seems hard to be a cheerleader and no cheerleader I ever met was that shy that's for sure....would be impossible to be a cheerleader.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    Out of curiosity I searched for Ford's yearbooks and hit a dead end in every case, linked page deleted. Tried duckduckgo and got the same result. Pretty amazing that Google would shamelessly censor something relevant to the nomination of a SCOTUS justice.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    I'm sure they had a team on that to make sure nothing could be found.

  • Jerryskids||

    Just out of curiosity, what was the legal age for smoking dope when Obama was in college? There were no questions raised as to his suitability for office over the issue so presumably he never smoked too much, but I'm not sure what, legally speaking, would be considered "too much".

  • HANSENWT||

    It would be interesting if someone would come out with something from those parties....I don't think Obama's fan club could handle it.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    He Was The Light Bringer Who United The Nation and Won The Nobel Prize you racist POS. His dope was a sacrament. Kavanaugh is a drunken rapist. How dare you.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    How about the activities of every democrat on the judicial committee? Democrats tend to be amoral pieces of shit, so I'm sure if a special prosecutor with Mueller's resources were assigned to each one, they could just go until they find some kind of crimes.

    That's how democrats do things.

  • Michael Cook||

    Depends on what you mean by blackout. When I was a young heavy beer drinker I had a directable tunnel vision type of consciousness that could focus on one thing and do it more or less adequately. Often this would be driving a car at high speed, or getting in a sophomoric intellectual argument that would go on for hours, or singing up all the lyrics from songs of the day (or long ago days) from memory, which I would do on bets.

    Anything outside of that tunnel of concentration was very poorly remembered. As I aged into my 30's and had months where I was drinking beer from breakfast until late at night the beer had actually become a staple of diet during very active hard construction work days. Losing consciousness was not a problem. I managed to bang out an amazing lot of passably mediocre work without injuring myself or anyone else.

    The main problem I noticed with myself and other severe beer abusers is that although I could keep up certain priorities for awhile, the things I was neglecting to do in life were snowballing. Child care is a responsibility that really suffers around such people

    I never did hard liquor or any other type of drugs, so I can testify that a beercoholic can function for much too long. Then when you do quit you are stuck with the gut to get rid of...

  • John Galt Jr||

    Depends on what you mean by blackout

    It means passing out ... which Kavanaugh twice refused to deny on the only provable blackout -- the classmate in Mark Judge's book, named "Bart O'Kavanaugh"

    Why would he refuse -- twice -- to say it wasn't him? It's difficult to imagine any reason except to avoid perjury, under oath. Especially when he repeatedly denied EVER blacking out ... except the only provable event.

    What's he afraid of?

  • Demosthenes666||

    Answering would be complete speculation; he isn't the author of that fictional book and didn't create the character "Bart O'Kavanaugh".

  • John Galt Jr||

    Irrelevant. He refused to deny that he had passed out from drinking.
    If I wrote a book saying that someone I know, named Billibob Smithaling, had raped my mother ... and you were asked if you were Billibob Smithaling, would you refuse to deny the rape, because you didn't write the book?

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 9:38PM|#
    "He refused to deny that he had passed out from drinking."

    Q: How much of a fucking ignoramus must you be to think this is anything other than a lame statement by a fucking ignoramus?
    A: You'd have to be that fucking ignoramus Hihn.

  • Agammamon||

    Pretty much. I'd just tell you to fuck off and that would be as much of an answer to your question as you'd get out of me.

  • Agammamon||

    Plus, do you think 'testimony under oath' comes with a real risk of Jehova smiting you if you lie? Because it doesn't. It doesn't even come with much risk that the court system, sitting there with ironclad proof that you lied under oath, will smite you.

    No one is afraid of perjury. No one takes these oaths 'to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth' seriously.

  • Rich||

    Pretty sure "blacking out" and "passing out" are not the same state of consciousness.

  • John Galt Jr||

    The other alternative meaning is even worse for Kavanaugh.
    With alcohol it can mean having no memory of one's actions, thus he could have sexually assaulted Dr. Ford ... and honestly nefer remembered it.

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 9:42PM|#
    "The other alternative meaning is even worse for Kavanaugh.
    With alcohol it can mean having no memory of one's actions, thus he could have sexually assaulted Dr. Ford ... and honestly nefer remembered it."

    You should really STFU Hihn. Any remaining cred you had until now is shrinking to a point value.
    Your lies about his supposed lies are now compounded by your imbecility, assuming Kavanaugh has to answer for either one of your fantasies.
    Are you so stupid that you do not realize your 'guilt by innuendo' is obvious to anyone not as stupid as you?
    Tell your wife to take the keyboard away and take your meds, you fucking ignoramus.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    'Hihn', do you obsessively have a need to attack this man? Or is it that anything related to Trump must be reflexively destroyed by a progressive, such as yourself.

  • Sevo||

    "What's he afraid of?"

    Why are you afraid of honesty, you fucking ignoramus?

  • John Galt Jr||

    Here's undeniable proof of MY honesty. A video of Kavanuagh's refusal and his snarkiness and evasive attack.

    My proof is at that den of commies ... Fox News
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/584.....show-clips

    you fucking ignoramus?

    (lol) Your turn. Where's YOUR proof?

    Anything else?

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 9:47PM|#
    "Here's undeniable proof of MY honesty. A video of Kavanuagh's refusal and his snarkiness and evasive attack.
    My proof is at that den of commies ... Fox News
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/584.....show-clips"
    Your "undeniable proof" has been more than adequately denied; you are an imbecile for even suggesting it is what you claim. It is nothing of the sort, you fucking ignoramus.

    "you fucking ignoramus?
    (lol) Your turn. Where's YOUR proof?"
    Any one of your posts, you fucking ignoramus.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Hihntard thinks his own ravings are 'proof' of things.

  • KevinP||

    Blacking out and passing out are not the same thing. Don't make up stuff.

  • MSimon||

    People who pass out are not Blacked Out?

    Interesting.

  • Sevo||

    MSimon|10.1.18 @ 12:44AM|#
    "People who pass out are not Blacked Out?
    Interesting."

    Maybe you might learn something.
    But, as a lefty dimbulb, I doubt it.

  • Naaman Brown||

    Black out drunk means you are so drunk you do and say things you do not remember.

    Pass out drunk means you go to sleep and do and say nothing to remember.

    The allegation against Kavanaugh is not that he drank enough to fall asleep.
    The allegation against Kavanaugh is that he drank enough to not remember what he did or said.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Dies it count as blacking out if a black dude hits you really hard and you are rendered unconscious?

  • ravenshrike||

    Blackouts have nothing to do with passing out from drinking too much. A blackout is merely the inability to form new memories while at a certain stage of drunkenness. Some people blackout at relatively low BAC levels, while others will never blackout before they fall unconscious from too high a BAC.

  • Agammamon||

    No, blacking out does not mean passing out. FFS man - these are commonly used terms and you should be familiar with them.

    Passing out is just falling asleep. Blacking out doesn't involve falling asleep - though you might pass out later. Blacking out is something people don't even know you did until the next day when they talk about you pissing in the corner of the living room and you tell them you didn't remember it.

  • HANSENWT||

    Actually blackout is before the passing out...you get so drunk that when you wake up the next morning you can only remember to a certain point and it is obvious that you were wide awake from that point until you passed out or simply went to sleep...both times I "blacked out" in my life I woke up in my room or my bed...had no idea how I got there and could remember up to a certain point in the evening then absolutely nothing at all. I had people thank me for getting them back to their room and I was going to thank them for getting me back to mine (they blacked out too). You can actually black out and seem mostly normal i.e. conduct yourself credibly to everyone around you for hours. On both of my occasions I was told I was perfectly normal when I left and went back to my room and the other everyone involved was blacked out but I went to several bars, took a cab, walked through a secure military gate where underage drinking was a huge flag (so I went through a sobriety point). Walked a couple miles and went to my room and went to sleep. I only know those parts because that was the only way I could have got to my bed...I don't actually remember that....the famous part of the story...my last half glass was sitting by the bed next to me and none of us could explain how I would have got a half glass of liquor from a bar through the sobriety check point (and the liquor itself was not legal/sold on base only in town in Japan).

  • Naaman Brown||

    I have gone to sleep after drinking.
    I have never blacked out while drinking.
    I remember everything up to the point of going to sleep (which occasionally was pass-out drunk).
    Which tells me nothing about Kavanaugh's or Ford's drinking effects.

    Unfortunately I have had to deal with blackout drunks who swear to be damned they didn't do what they did. One case there was recording and they still didn't believe it.

  • JesseAz||

    God you're fucking dumb. Blackout drunk refers to damage to memory receptors where you can no longer record memories while inebriated. It doesn't mean falling asleep.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Speaking as someone from the greater DC area, who was underage at the time, as I've mentioned here before, the drinking culture among teens was such that all the bars I knew let people underage into the bar. The guys who checked your ID at the door would put an X on the back of your left hand to designate that you weren't legal. This is the origin of the straight edge "X"--teetotalers would put an "X" on the back of their hand voluntarily, not just to show they didn't want alcohol. Some of the tough guys used to put an "X" on the back of their hands, and when someone offered them alcohol or weed or whatever, they'd use it as an excuse to get violent--for all you knew, you were offering such things to a minor.

    Point is, once you got into a bar, nobody paid much attention to who was buying and who was drinking. Meanwhile, house parties have been house parties since forever, and if the students at George Washington University weren't enough to provide cover for underage drinkers, Georgetown students were all there, University of Maryland students were there, and it's not like Maryland and DC are that far apart.

  • John Galt Jr||

    Did you ever lie about it, under oath?

  • Ken Shultz||

    Who lied about what?

  • John Galt Jr||

    Kavanaugh did. Undeniably Did you? If not, there is no relevance.

    Here's his lie, at Fox News. A video,
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/584.....show-clips

    So did you ever lie about it, under oath?

  • Ken Shultz||

    I watched your video clip.Which part was the undeniable lie?

    Was it when Kavanaugh said that someone wrote a fictionalized account using derivations of real people's names--and that Leahy should ask the author how accurate it was intended to be?

  • John Galt Jr||

    I watched your video clip.Which part was the undeniable lie?

    Umm, the same portion quoted here, on drinking age.

    Again, did you ever lie about it, under oath?

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 9:51PM|#
    "Umm, the same portion quoted here, on drinking age.
    Again, did you ever lie about it, under oath?"

    Oh, goody! Lies in ransom-note format from the fucking ignoramus.

  • John Galt Jr||

    Sevo
    Oh, goody! Lies in ransom-note format from the fucking ignoramus.

    That makes no sense, but you lose anyhow.
    As a responsible adult, I apologized to you below, for my posting the wrong video link and provided the correct proof of Kavanaugh's lie.

    The same lie reported here by Sullum, on drinking age,

    Anything else?

  • John Galt Jr||

    Apology and correction to Ken Schultz. There is . SO MUCH proof against Kavanaugh that I posted the wrong video link.

    The lie I meant, and described -- about drinking age --- is reported here by Sullum, but this is the proper link

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 10:15PM|#
    "Apology and correction to Ken Schultz. There is . SO MUCH proof against Kavanaugh that I posted the wrong video link....."

    More ransom-note bullshit.
    Fuck off, Hihn.

  • John Galt Jr||

    Sevo
    More ransom-note bullshit.

    That makes NO sense.
    One more time, here's the video proof

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 10:25PM|#
    "
    Sevo
    More ransom-note bullshit.

    That makes NO sense.
    One more time, here's the video proof"

    Makes perfect sense, you fucking ignoramus.

  • JesseAz||

    Quote the actual lie fucktard. Stop being cryptic. Kavanaugh admitted he drank. There is no fucking like.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    'Hihn', I have never seen an adult that craved negative attention as much as you do. Not even close. As much as EVERYONE here despises you and loathes your presence, that this is the closest to a warm human relationship as you currently know, and have for a long time.

    IS that why you're so aggressive? Because you know that every person here would be relieved if you were dead, yet we're closer to being your friends than anything else in your life? It must be quite an ongoing act of narcissism for you not to commit suicide each day. Even though that would make far more sense for you than anything you could ever post here.

    And also why you're so pathetic and desperate that even after you were previously banned and purged that you so pathetically clung to this website and slithered back in anyway.

    Tony and PB are valueless, soulless things. Even they are not as pathetic as you. Which is truly astounding.

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 9:12PM|#
    "Kavanaugh did. Undeniably"

    You should watch your own link, Hihn. He did nothing of the sort.
    He pointed out is was fiction and you'd have top ask the author.
    Try again.
    No, don't bother; fuck off.

  • John Galt Jr||

    My sincere apologies. I have so much proof against Kavanaugh that I posted the wrong link, It's the same lie reported here by Sullum on the legal drinking age.

    But you'e also wrong on the link I did quote!

    Hihn. He did nothing of the sort.
    He pointed out is was fiction and you'd have top ask the author.
    Try again.

    EVASION.
    All he had to do was say it was not me. It was not him who puked into a car and then passed out.
    Fiction -- a lame excuse -- is IRRELEVANT. Pay attention.

    If I write a book, and a character named Sevo Sevodingaling raped my mother ..,. and you were asked if that was you ... would you refuse to answer, refuse to say you did not rape my mother?

    Do you understand the question?

    Calling it fiction is also a STUPID lie, for the reason Kavanaugh stated!
    Mark wrote two books DESCRIBING HIS LENGTHY BATTLE WITH ADDICTION ..except when he wasn't. (lol)

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 10:10PM|#
    "My sincere apologies. I have so much proof against Kavanaugh that I posted the wrong link, It's the same lie reported here by Sullum on the legal drinking age."

    Oh, the HORROR! I'll bet he also, hint, hint, did 50 in a 35!
    Fuck off.
    -------------------------
    "But you'e also wrong on the link I did quote!

    Hihn. He did nothing of the sort.
    He pointed out is was fiction and you'd have top ask the author.
    Try again.

    EVASION."

    Pointing out the truth of a matter is not EVASION; it is pointing out the truth of the matter.
    Claiming EVASION is STUPIDITY.
    Fuck off, Hihn

  • Agammamon||

    Some of the tough guys used to put an "X" on the back of their hands, and when someone offered them alcohol or weed or whatever, they'd use it as an excuse to get violent--for all you knew, you were offering such things to a minor.

    What the hell?

  • Agammamon||

    Did you tie an onion on your belt also?

  • My Dog Bites Better Than Yours||

    I had to Google the "Onion" reference.

    Well done, Ag.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Have you never had the displeasure of interacting with militant straightedge folk?

  • Azathoth!!||

    Hence the name 'Minor' Threat

  • HANSENWT||

    I know it worked that way for the military but probably out of respect (base was still 18). Also for the girls. I don't recall ever running into or seeing any high school boys in GT bars and I had a high school girlfriend and a group of high school girls that were sort of in a military guy - high school girl click. I can tell you we used to take bets on who would get home first....meaning you win if a girl drives you in the next day....and some of those girls were a bit young to have mercedes, vettes...etc. I can also tell you my girlfriend's parents were not thrilled with our relationship because of my profession not because of my age...and her mom was perfectly fine as long as I was just her "boytoy"....but many people would not even begin to understand how that could be possible. The 80's were before date rape, sex harrassment (beyond a real boss to employee situation)...and beer was considered harmless...or at least the blame if you woke up with regret, not the guy.

  • ipsquire||

    This is the truth. In fall 1982 U of Maryland and several DC schools regularly sponsored events serving beer. Several dining halls had bar spaces in the evening serving beer. Maryland had a "commuter bar" in the Student Union, next to the big parking garage. Underage drinking was beyond common.

  • Ken Shultz||

    It was the same thing on my summers in San Diego, especially on the beaches. Getting firewood for the bonfire at Del Mar was harder than getting alcohol. It's always been one of the funny things about drinking laws, people assume things about kids that just aren't true--that kids don't drink or that drinking ages are effective at stopping them. It's sort of like talking about sex and kids. My understanding is that the median age that women lose their virginity is 16, which means as many lose it at 14 as lose it at 18. No one wants to believe that kids under 16 are losing their virginity at that rate--and people want to think that drinking laws are effective at keeping alcohol out of the hands of minors. Maybe it's for the same reason--they don't want to worry about their daughters and sons so they tell themselves that their kids don't do the same things they did when they were kids.

  • Juice||

  • Sevo||

    Ohio: A good place to be from.

  • Intelligent Mr Toad||

    RE: "A good rule of thumb might be that you've drunk too many beers if you find yourself vomiting or waking up with a hangover. Young people learn their limits through practice, and those limits vary from person to person."

    WC Fields set the rule: "You are not drunk if you can lie flat on the floor without holding on."

  • esteve7||

    This is how despicable leftist ideology is. From one of my FB friends:

    "Walked into the office to three male co-workers talking about how unfairly Brett Kavanaugh is being treated.
    There were five women in proximity who weren't saying a word."

    Comments: "Trust they are fully aware of where they are and who can hear them"
    "Bullying? Got HR?"

    "workplace harassment doesn't have to be directed at a person or people. It can be a conversation that creates a hostile environment."

    "Those women will always remember what these scumlords are saying and internalize it. I would not be silent, personally, but I don't blame them for keeping quiet."


    This entire ideology is evil.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    What is your point of disagreement?

  • Bubba Jones||

    Women weaponize HR over political disagreements.

    Or simply when it is convenient.

  • esteve7||

    funny is only 1 of those comments was by a woman

  • Sevo||

    chemjeff radical individualist|9.30.18 @ 8:48PM|#
    "What is your point of disagreement?"

    Do you wish your IQ was higher than room temperature?

  • John Galt Jr||

    The issue is that he lied, not the silliness of state laws, Far more relevant, Kavanaugh refused -- twice -- to say if he was the blackout drunken classmate in Mark Justice's book, who puked into a car and then passed out. The classmate's name was published as "Bart O'Kavanaugh" (wink wink)

    This is VERY problematic. He repeatedly said that he never blacked out, So why did he refuse to deny that he had ,. blacked out? Twice? One with the snark that he used for every question that would have established his culpability
    The ONLY time he refused to say he was not a blackout drunk was the only PROVEN event. Right.

    How long until we know who's lying about the FBI instructions? Is it not insane that the investigation is controlled by another accused sex offender, caught on video bragging about sexual abuse?

    The stench of corruption grows stronger every day in this White House.

  • geo1113||

    Passing out is sleeping. Blacking out occurs when you are conscious.

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 8:59PM|#
    "The issue is that he lied, not the silliness of state laws, Far more relevant, Kavanaugh refused -- twice -- to say if he was the blackout drunken classmate in Mark Justice's book, who puked into a car and then passed out. The classmate's name was published as "Bart O'Kavanaugh" (wink wink)"

    How long are you going to continue lying about that Hihn?
    Fuck off.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Oh it's Hihn? Sounded loony enough to be Mary.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

  • Sevo||

    It's another one of his 'names of people whom libertarians might favor and therefore give my bullshit a kinder reading' scams.
    Fucking scumbag is nothing if not dishonest; he, Tony, JFree and a couple of others are competing for 'largest pile of bullshit' award.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Just gonna jump in again and assert my theory that this is not the real Hihn, just someone who co-opted the name.

  • Sevo||

    BestUsedCarSales|10.1.18 @ 12:32AM|#
    "Just gonna jump in again and assert my theory that this is not the real Hihn, just someone who co-opted the name."

    No reason to disagree. The fucking ignoramus posting as "Hihn" and several other socks might be Mary, for all we know.
    The primary handle is "Hihn" (or has been, before the fucking ignoramus started socking), but that's no reason to presume Hihn qua Hihn is the perp.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    There is a theory that Reason banned and purged the 'Michael Hihn' handle was at the behest of the real Michael Hihn, or his legal proxy. This happened related to that offsite enemies list he kept linking to.

  • Ken Shultz||

    No one gives a shit about that.

    People who legitimately don't want Kavanaugh confirmed don't really give a shit about that.

    Some of the disingenuous bullshit I see on Kavanaugh is truly tiresome.

    I have serious reservations about his positions on the Fourth Amendment. I understand some people question whether he's sufficiently empathetic towards women on women's issues--if he, in fact, sexually assaulted someone.

    Am I to understand that you care more about whether he fibbed about passing out in the back of a car than you are about whether he sexually assaulted someone? Am I supposed to take that seriously? Are you just joking?

  • Demosthenes666||

    I answered this above: Answering would be complete speculation; he isn't the author of that fictional book and didn't create the character "Bart O'Kavanaugh".

  • Sevo||

    "I answered this above: Answering would be complete speculation; he isn't the author of that fictional book and didn't create the character "Bart O'Kavanaugh"."

    Exactly.
    Claiming some 'lie' in that exchange is a triumph of hope over evidence; it says more of the claimant than it does of Kavanaugh.
    What's more, it says quite a bit about the honesty/intelligence of that claimant and what it says means the claimant should STFU to do the least damage to his rep, you fucking ignoramus Hihn.

  • John Galt Jr||

    Answering would be complete speculation;

    That's even wackier.

    NOW you say it would be "complete speculation" for Kavanaugh to deny that he had been so drunk that he puked into a car ,... and passed out.

    So --- according to you -- Kavanaugh has no idea if he was so drunk that he blacked out ... so why did he deny ever having done so?

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 10:31PM|#
    "Answering would be complete speculation;"

    Fuck off, Hihn. No one here cares about the voices in your head and your creeping senility.
    Just fuck off.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    Dunno. There's something really persuasive about bold text.

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 8:59PM|#
    "The stench of corruption grows stronger every day in this White House."

    No, you tired old bag, that smell is because you didn't wipe your ass today.
    Now, if you are to claim that, you might provide some evidence, like, oh, what the Clintons did:

    "Emails reveal how foundation donors got access to Clinton and her close aides at State Dept."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/emails-
    reveal-how-foundation-donors-got-access-
    to-clinton-and-her-close-aides-at-state-
    dept/2016/08/22/345b5200-6882-11e6-
    8225-fbb8a6fc65bc_story.html?utm_
    term=.2cbca4a77536

    "Clintons Began Taking White House Property a Year Ago"
    http://articles.latimes.com/2001/
    feb/10/news/mn-23723

    THERE's evidence of corruption. What'chu got, scumbag?

  • John Galt Jr||

    THERE's evidence of corruption.

    Cowardly diversion.(yawn)

    To we libertarians your Authoritarian Right is no better than the Authoritarian Left.
    We've been that way for 50 years. Left and Right combined are now less than 40%, and still shrinking

    Anything else?

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 10:36PM|#
    "Cowardly diversion.(yawn)"

    Yeah, evidence is always 'cowardly diversion'.
    Fuck off, Hihn.

  • Incredulous||

    Based on your comments, I find it hard to believe you're a libertarian. Frankly, I don't give a crap whether he lied to the tyrants interrogating him about his youthful drinking. That's irrelevant to the matter at hand and none of their fucking business. What if they started asking how often he jacked off? None of their fucking business.

  • John Galt Jr||

    Frankly, I don't give a crap whether he lied to the tyrants interrogating him about his youthful drinking.

    At least you admit being a judgmental asshole.

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|10.1.18 @ 1:06AM|#
    "At least you admit being a judgmental asshole."

    Fuck off, Hihn.

  • Ken Shultz||

    I've posted over and over again my statistical analysis of how many seats we should expect to see the Republicans lose in the House come the midterms, but if Kavanaugh isn't confirmed, all that goes out the window.

    The Democrats think they're making this election a referendum on rape.

    It's actually turning into a referendum on social justice warriors.

  • Bubba Jones||

    Did he spike the punch with beer?

    It is hilarious that we are supposed to care about his high school drinking.

  • John Galt Jr||

    Being a Bubba, your ignorance is understandable

    His heavy drinking makes Dr. Ford's story more credible. For example, he could have committed the sexual aggression, but honestly have no memory of doug so ... which is how alcohol blackouts work .. adn why he's a proven liar on his drinking.

    But Hillary's email server.

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 10:41PM|#
    "Being a Bubba, your ignorance is understandable"

    Being Hihn, your stupidity makes your response understandable.
    -----------------------
    "His heavy drinking makes Dr. Ford's story more credible. For example, he could have committed the sexual aggression, but honestly have no memory of doug so ... which is how alcohol blackouts work .. adn why he's a proven liar on his drinking."

    Your bullshit makes your stupidity more obvious; the voices in your head suggest you seek treatment. Claiming hypotheticals to bolster your arguments shows you have none.

    "But Hillary's email server."
    Yes, loser. The hag should be in jail. Setting up a private comm network, bypassing both the security and the accountability of gov't networks is a crime.
    And loser shitbags like you continue to try to make some sort of apologia for that.
    Are you at least smart enough to be embarrassed by that? Or so stupid as to wonder why you should?

  • Incredulous||

    You should change your moniker since you're not a libertarian. A true libertarian would not give a crap about his youthful drinking.

  • John Galt Jr||

    It's about sexual abuse, goober.
    Which part of this sailed over your head?

    His heavy drinking makes Dr. Ford's story more credible. For example, he could have committed the sexual aggression, but honestly have no memory of doug so ... which is how alcohol blackouts work .. adn why he's a proven liar on his drinking.

    PLUS ALL HIS LIES

  • Sevo||

    Fuck off, Hihn

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    More Bold. I'm almost convinced.

  • MSimon||

    The heavy drinking indicates PTSD.

  • Sevo||

    MSimon|10.1.18 @ 12:23AM|#
    "The heavy drinking indicates PTSD."

    Stupid comments indicate stupid commenters.
    Just so ya know.

  • SIV||

    he misleadingly implied that his beer drinking complied with the law

    No he didn't. The non-event in question didn't occur when Kavanaugh was 17. He was referring to the widespread culture of toleration of under age drinking that was the norm at the time. The 18 y/o drinking age was seldom enforced. Brett and Mark and Squee and Timmy didn't have to rely on 18 y/o seniors to get their 'skis (unless they were buying kegs) and after turning 18 they didn't have to drive to DC just to get a 6-pack or a case.

  • John Galt Jr||

    LIAR
    Kavanaugh said, "Yes, there were parties. And the drinking age was 18. And yes, the seniors were legal"
    VIDEO PROOF

    The lie is also reported here by Sullum.

    Anything else?

  • Sevo||

    John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 10:44PM|#
    "Anything else?"

    Yeah. If you're hoping for sympathy for your increasing senility, this ain't the place to get it. Your stupidity makes it hard to be sympathetic.
    Fuck off.

  • Incredulous||

    I agree with Sevo.

    Fuck off.

  • John Galt Jr||

    What is GUARANTEED to piss off a right-wing goober.? VIDEO PROOF!!!

    What do the goobers have?

    Fuck off

    Fuck off

    (sneer)

  • HGW xx/7||

    Isn't totally-not-Hihn-but-rather-John-Galt-Jr a bit old to be morphing into a SJW?

  • Ruffin||

    Kavanaugh graduated 83; this 'event' supposedly happened in 82. After he finished his junior year, but before he was a senior. He was not a senior when the seniors were legal.

    On the broader subject -
    My brother was 17 when they raised the drinking age in Virginia and grandfathered kids who were 18 at the time, just a few months older than him. He never had any problem getting beer through them. As a practical matter, most sophomores could get an 18 year old senior to buy them beer. The legal drinking age may have been 18, but functionally it was about 16.

    Listening to Kavanaugh I didn't get that he was saying he was legal. I got that he was in my brother's position - the seniors were legal so they bought the beer. But you hear what you want to hear.

    By the time I got there, the drinking age was firmly 21. A high school kid getting a college age adult to buy him beer was more difficult. Raising the legal drinking age to 21 raised the functional drinking age to about 18 or 19. We spent a lot of time in 7-11 parking lots pestering customers to buy for us. Until one of us stole his brother's ID and passed it off to bored clerks who never really looked at it.

  • Sebastian Cremmington||

    That is why the drinking age should be 19, if it is 18 it is too easy for high school kids. That said I never had any problem getting beer underage and the fact it was a little difficult made you appreciate the beer and also not drink beer on a Tuesday.

  • Ellis Wyatt||

    Listening to Kavanaugh I didn't get that he was saying he was legal

    He most certainly lied

    I response to his own drinking" "Yes, there were parties. And the drinking age was 18. And yes, the seniors were legal" Proof (video)

    The drinking age in Maryland changed to 21, before he became a senior, and he was not 18 as a junior. At no time was he legal in high school. Associated Press

  • Duelles||

    Geez! I was buying beer in NY at 15 when the age was 18. Big deal. Of course, I didn't like the taste and never swallowed. Can I be an associate justice?

  • John Galt Jr||

    Would you lie about it under oath?

  • ravenshrike||

    It was legal to drink in private residencesso long as the adults were the ones who bought the alcohol. Which means the only illegal drinking that is confirmed is the drinking done during Beach Week.

  • John Galt Jr||

    PAY ATTENTION

    It was legal to drink in private residencesso long as the adults were the ones who bought the alcohol. Which means the only illegal drinking that is confirmed is the drinking done during Beach Week.

    (YAWN)
    HE FUCKING LIED

    UNDER OATH

    AS REPORTED HERE, SPARKY

    THE PROOFl

    Kavanaugh said, "Yes, there were parties. And the drinking age was 18. And yes, the seniors were legal" VIDEO PROOF

  • Sevo||

    BTW, culled from another thread:

    "John Galt Jr|9.30.18 @ 3:39PM|#
    I'm not a Hihn (whatever than means).
    Robert disagreed with me, strongly (lol)
    Does TULPA think state lotteries are coercive? (sneer)"

    What can we make of this? How fucking stupid does Hihn have to be to hope that no one spots his tells? How stupid does he have to be to hope that his bullshit is accepted?
    Is this senility? Or just flat imbecility?
    Are we to be sympathetic if it's the former?
    Naah. He's a fucking ignoramus; get lost Hihn. And I hope your senility makes your typing even more incoherent soon; it's fun to laugh at crips.

  • John Galt Jr||

    ***** SEVO SAYS STATE LOTTERIES ARE COERCIVE!!!
    (SMIRK)

  • Jerry B.||

    Mr. Hihn, are you the fictional person named John Galt Jr who regularly posts boldface comments on Reason? Answer yes or no, please.

  • Agammamon||

    . . . so the seniors were legal, senior year in high school, people were legal to drink."

    uhm . . . ?

    Maybe hand these off to a senior editor, you know, for review, before they're published ;)

  • Agammamon||

    . . . the question of how many beers are too many has little to do with the legal standard for DUI.

    You would be surprised how often the legal limit for driving is used to hammer people who do stupid things after drinking - but aren't driving.

    In many areas it has become the 'official' dividing line between 'shit-faced' and 'sober'. Even though its really supposed to be the line between 'slightly, just perceptibly, impaired' and 'not perceptible impaired'.

  • MSimon||

    The criminal has never even apologized for breaking the law.

  • Sevo||

    Uh, did you j-walk and not report yourself?

  • MSimon||

    No body asked me to be a Supreme Court Judge.

    I'd even swear an oath. I promise not to break any more laws.

  • Incredulous||

    By your idiotic standard, nobody could be a Supreme Court Judge.

  • Sevo||

    MSimon|10.1.18 @ 12:53AM|#
    "No body asked me to be a Supreme Court Judge."
    And a dimbulb like you would find that important.
    Fuck off.

  • MSimon||

    This whole circus has been very good at keeping this out of the news.

    As The Intercept reported last week, the Trump administration assembled a number of hard-line countries, including Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia, as partners before sending out the action plan to all member states. The Philippines — where President Rodrigo Duterte's drug war has drawn international criticism for its extrajudicial killings and brutality — and Myanmar, whose government stands accused of genocide, were both included on the final list.
    Intercept

    Here is more about the program Trump got Russia and China to join. Globalism at its finest. Funny that it was not reported in the pro or anti Trump press.

    President Trump just signed on to the Globalist Drug War. At the UN. At a meeting he sponsored. Who else is covering it besides me? The CTH (link at the link)
    Link

  • Sevo||

    MSimon|10.1.18 @ 12:50AM|#
    "President Trump just signed on to the Globalist Drug War. At the UN. At a meeting he sponsored. Who else is covering it besides me? "

    Check with Amazon. I looked for one of the other imbeciles, and they have tin foil hats for cheap, even the ones that have the shiny side out~!
    Many others have reported it; you are a self-indulgent imbecile.
    Fuck off

  • Brett Bellmore||

    I, too, became old enough to drink, twice, due to the legal age being bumped up from 18 to 21 in Michigan. I found it merely amusing because I didn't drink at the time.

    No grandfathering in Michigan, either.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    I grew up in Michigan and I was legal at 18 and, if memory serves me, they raised it to 21 when I was 21. Obviously a lot of pissed off "gap babies" in between but it was a referendum that they could have defeated if they had bothered to vote or so I read in the paper at the time. This was all before fedgov basically forced the states to raise the drinking age.

  • Rob Misek||

    Consider that you've proven your credibility and maturity through success and are being offered the job that represents culmination of your life's work.

    Then your adversaries, who could find no dirt to sling that would stick, go all the way back to your high school days, to demonize your behaviour then and project it on your character 35 years later. They throw in some completely unsubstantiated allegations for good measure.

    What human wouldn't be upset?

  • Naaman Brown||

    Drinking age laws apply primarily to buying, possessing, and consuming in public.

    Drinking age laws as applied to high school students at private parties in private residences in Maryland in 1982?

    First thing I find on Alcohol laws of Maryland in 2018 is that: "Alcohol laws of Maryland vary considerably by county, due to the wide latitude of home rule granted to Maryland counties."

    Then "Alcohol may be possessed or consumed by an underage person in a private residence so long as it is furnished or allowed by a member of that person's immediate family (typically a parent)."

    The alleged party at the alleged private residence was allegedly held in Maryland in 1982, not in Saudi Arabia, or even Maryland of 2018.

  • tlapp||

    The questions about high school beer drinking were asinine. I only wish someone had said, if they believed that was a disqualifier for his appointment, that any of those that drank beer in high school should turn in the resignation now.
    Some of them may have even smoked weed. Oh the horror.

  • wreckinball||

    Obama

  • Naaman Brown||

    Yet he who is without beer sin cast the first empty can.

    (Don't want the hypocrites throwing bottles.)

  • No Yards Penalty||

    How or why did America raise its drinking age in the early 80s? Was it part of the Just Say No scare drummed up by the shrivelled cunt Nancy Reagan? How did Ronnie get mixed up with the prude, anyway, being a California ''liberal'' originally? For such a great president he was married to, conceivably, one of the most harmful First Cunts in American history.

  • GoatOnABoat||

    Actually, MADD and a democrat congressman from New Jersey were the driving forces behind the national drinking age.

    Wiki:
    "In 1984, the National Minimum Legal Drinking Act, written by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) and influenced by Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), required all states to enforce a minimum legal drinking age of 21 or else risk losing 10% of all federal highway construction funds."

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    A few states, Wisconsin was one I think, fought to the bitter end but the federal courts said fuck federalism and eventually they all folded.

  • GoatOnABoat||

    BREAKING NEWS!!! FBI investigation reveals that, in kindergarten, Kavanaugh once pulled a little girl's pigtails and took her crayons and called her a poopoo head.

  • wreckinball||

    The perversity is that we are discussing this.

    Did he color outside the lines?

  • drisco304||

    I guess if it were Bill Clinton he would have said he drank but didn't swallow.

  • Marc St. Stephen||

    Off topic, but there is but one weird take away for me from the Kavanaugh grilling...

    Once you hear it, you'll never un-hear it.

    Kavanaugh, when animated, sounds like Ray Romano from "Everybody Loves Raymond"

  • swampwiz||

    > But I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out

    It's impossible to consume enough beer (only) - without "ralphing" it up - to black out.

  • Ruffin||

    Ralphing, passing out, and blacking out out are not mutually exclusive.

    We used to hide our beer (Milwaukee's Best, $13/cs of 24) in the woods. Evening comes, it's been 98 degrees all day - drink two, hurl, drink the rest. Hurling was just conditioning to drink hot, flat beer.

    Hurling is not dependent on how much you drink. It's what you drink, how you drink it, and your own intestinal fortitude. It's not some guarantee against getting completely ripped, particularly if you just do it on rinse and repeat.

    Going to sleep is when you deliberately go somewhere and lie down with the intention of sleeping.

    Passing out is when you are so drunk you can't stay conscious if you try and can't be woken up.

    There's the old argument that 72 hours awake + 1 sip of beer + going to sleep = passing out. This was what BK was arguing against when they asked if he passed out and he responded that he went to sleep.

    Blacking out is when you're awake, but don't remember what you did. It doesn't exclude ralphing ("How did that get there?"), passing out ("How did I get under the table and why do I have a penis drawn on my forehead?"), or just trundling off to bed to sleep it off. ("How did I get to bed?") The sober equivalent is when you walk in the front door and realize you don't remember driving home.

  • TJJ2000||

    Whatever happened to the Statutes of Limitation!!! Good grief -- people grow up. Their life's change. Their decisions change. Hopefully for the better but sometimes for the worst. Figuring out who/what they are TODAY should be far more important than 30-years ago.

    Would everyone be okay with defendants drilling prosecution of a mass-murder case by nagging the court about his/her childhood church attendance?

    "He was such a good little baby, never cried or pooped his diaper -- so how can prosecution put this mass-murderer behind bars? He/She was such a darn good kid 30+ years ago."

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