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Trump Apologies for America Ahead of Helsinki Summit With Putin: Reason Roundup

Plus: Judge censors story about crooked cop, cities get tough on home-based businesses.

@JackPosobiec/Twitter@JackPosobiec/TwitterPresidential summit between Trump and Putin today. Displaying an interesting diplomatic tack ahead of his Monday morning meeting with Vladimir Putin, President Donald Trump opined that America's relationship with Russia "has NEVER been worse"—cold war, schmold war, amirite?—and that this situation is all our fault. These historically strained U.S.-Russia relations come "thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity, and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!" Trump tweeted at 2:05 a.m.

Reactions from folks across the political spectrum were full of disbelief and scorn for Trump's statement, which comes on the heel of a new indictment of Russian intelligence officials for alleged interference in the 2016 U.S. election. Here is The Guardian's Moscow correspondent, for example:

And Cato Institute policy analyst Julian Sanchez:

But at least some stakeholders—like, uh, Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs—seemed satisfied with Trump's assessment:

The Trump-Putin summit takes place in Hesinki, Finland, where residents weren't exactly rolling out the welcome mat:

Putin made Trump wait for him, arriving in the country around the time their meeting was supposed to start.

The very fact of the meeting taking place has raised suggestions of impropriety, though this has more to do with everyone's feels than the meeting per se taking place.

Trump told reporters at the start of the meeting: "I really think the world wants to see us get along. I think we have great opportunities together as two countries that frankly we have not been getting along very well for the last number of years."

FREE MINDS

Newspaper must pull details about mob-linked cop's plea agreement. After failing to file plea-deal documents under seal, prosecutors found details about detective John Sara Balian's alleged ties to the Mexican mafia now running in the Los Angeles Times. On Saturday, a judge granted Balian's motion for a temporary restraining order, which means the Times must remove any details from the article that were gleaned from the published plea agreement. "To the extent any article is published prior to issuance of this order, it shall be deleted and removed forthwith," ruled U.S. District Judge John F. Walter.

This is unusual. "Typically, courts take into account if information was already published," Times attorney Kelli Sager said in a statement. "Where it is no longer secret, the point of the restraining order is mooted. To order a publication to claw it back doesn't even serve the interest that may be intended."

FREE MARKETS

Overzealous regulators quashing entrepreneurship. What happens "when the city comes for your home-based business?" An increasing number of people are finding out, note the R Street Institute's C. Jarrett Dieterle and Shoshana Weissmann in a new Wall Street Journal op-ed.

As more people work from home in fields that traditionally required office space, U.S. municipalities are increasingly turning their attention toward these home-based business owners. Without seeing clients at home, putting up advertisements, etc., freelancers and small-time entrepreneurs seldom see themselves as people in need of special licenses just to do the work they do from desks tucked inside their primary residences. But officials often see things differently.

"In 1992 there were about 16 million home businesses in the U.S., according to census data," report Dieterle and Weissmann. "By 2012 that number grew to 27 million. Today about half of all American businesses are home-based, according to the Small Business Administration. At the same time, local governments have become more aggressive in cracking down on home-based businesses."

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    ...and that this situation is all our fault.

    Finally, a president who has the guts to go around and apologize for America.

  • ||

    Hello.

    "Make human rights great again."

    Says the people who kept quiet while Obama drone killed Americans without due process while Trump signs a law punishing sex trafficking.

  • Allen Garvin||

    Sex trafficking is the 2010s equivalent of satanic rituals in daycare--something so vanishingly rare it doesn't really exist, but no amount of money is to big to spend combating it.

    Or, I guess it really isn't so rare, when law enforcement redefines sex work and topless dancing as sex trafficking, and then throws the "victims" in jail.

  • ||

    Hey! Secret meetings between the Pres and a team of lawyers who nod and clap like trained seals at his kill list IS due process.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Obama got to murder Americans via drone, so Lefties think trump wants to do that too.

  • ||

    Unfortunately, the 8-year-old daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki (one of the US citizens Obama killed... little Nawar was also a US citizen) was killed in a SEAL raid last year.

    So it seems that the Left's fear isn't entirely unfounded.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Trump told Piers Morgan at the Daily Mail that he understands fears about Roe v. Wade being overturned but that "It could be a long time before a case ever gets up there."

    So find something fresher to freak the fuck out about.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The U.S. Air Force paid $10,000 apiece for cargo-plane toilet covers.

    And they're always left up, am I right, lady airmen?

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    lady airxen

    FTFY

  • loveconstitution1789||

    #MeTooRevolution

    They're all called Airwomen now.

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    Do they still like seamen?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    "It's Not Just a Job, It's An Adventure"

  • Cy||

    The Airforce has always hated the Navy.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    I don't know but I've been told
    Navy wings are made of gold
    I don't know but it's been said
    Air Force wings are made of lead
    Sound off

  • perlchpr||

    Which, if you're paying attention, is the Navy saying "Our planes can't fly either, but at least they're pretty!"

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Yeah, those cadences never made much sense.

    Two overly heavy military aircraft designs.

  • Libertymike||

    I don't know but its been said,
    sarc's big dick is solid lead.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    If by "big" you mean like Asian men dicks are big, then poor Sarcasmic.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    At the same time, local governments have become more aggressive in cracking down on home-based businesses.

    Because what else are they going to do with their time?

  • Echo Chamber||

    Dunno. Maybe the linked article explains that, but I'm not going to subscribe to find out

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Trump Apologies for America Ahead of Helsinki Summit With Putin

    Dumbass GOP rednecks falsely claimed Obama went on an "apology tour" (he never apologized for the Iraq War or any thing)) while The Dotard actually insults the USA and calls the EU a "foe".

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    Political lies are not a zero-sum game. Have you ever considered that ALL politicians are liars, thieves, and megalomaniacs deserving of scorn? ALL of them?

    No, I doubt it. All you ever do is compare Trump fanbois to imagined Obama glory.

    If it weren't for strawmen, you'd have no comments at all.

  • MarkLastname||

    Are you out of midol again?

  • Don't look at me.||

    I never read articles made up of copies of tweets.

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    cold war, schmold war, amirite?

    We should have named it "schmold war" all along. Nobody would have taken it seriously. Think of the lives that would have been saved!

  • lap83||

    "Finland, too, forces women to produce children for the ruling class"

  • lap83||

    shoulda been the alt-text on that picture

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "I really think the world wants to see us get along. I think we have great opportunities together as two countries that frankly we have not been getting along very well for the last number of years."

    I blame Mitt Romney.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    A classic Putin power move, showing he is the one who's time is most important. https://t.co/93nLrKAhXq
    — Julia Ioffe (@juliaioffe) July 16, 2018

    Whose.

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    Maybe she thinks Putin is literally the embodiment of time and is most important?

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

    Please. He wasn't involved in sending me back here.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    I got you banned? How so?

  • Echo Chamber||

    Putin is time? I thought it was Mueller time

  • End Child Unemployment||

    Pretty sure it's hammerzeit.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The Lefties are gonna freak when Hillary gets her Mueller Lite time.

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    I prefer Mueller High Life. The champagne of wastes of time.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Tastes great, less farting.

  • Drave Robber||

    I thought making them run on time was easier with planes than with trains.

  • Shirley Knott||

    Hey, if the Italians can make trains run on time, anyone should be able to.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    America's biggest Deep State dipshits deliberately drop one of the most ridiculous stink bombs for the sole purpose of trying to screw over Trump and make the summit far more difficult, and Trump is the bad guy for apologizing for just how thoroughly fucking ridiculous our Deep State is.

    Reason "libertarians": madly in love with the precious Deep State since November of 2016.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    This is what a mix of Alex Jones and Bratfart.com will do to your mind, Peanuts.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    "We want the Cold War back and we want it back now!!"

    -Dipshit Dave Weigel and his PFL buddies at Reason

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    US/Russia still have about 90% of the world's nukes. You think the Cold War went away?

    Actually, the way The Dotard is bending over and spreading his ass cheeks for Putin it might soon be over.

  • Cy||

    How many of those nukes do you think are actually operational? How many ICBMs would reach target?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    How many of those nukes do you think are actually operational?

    I don't know but since Rick W. Perry is in charge of them maybe none.

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

  • Lucius Fergeson||

    So are you saying we should just nuke each other to our mutual destruction, like you leftists were worried about with N. Korea? I'm surprised: Leftists now have the same dumb ideas GWB had 15 years ago. Simple diplomacy isn't bad, you know.

  • Citizen X||

    I really think the world wants to see us get along.

    NOT ACCORDING TO ALL THE NEWSPAPERS.

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    To be fair, they're clearly in a different world.

  • SIV||

    That should be Julian "neoconservative apologist for the national security total surveillance state" Sanchez

  • Libertymike||

    Winner winner, chicken dinner.

    + 1,000

    Ken Schultz cited Julian Sanchez as some kind of authority on what is and is not libertarianism.

  • Just Say'n||

    That doesn't speak well for Ken. Julian "god bless the FBI" Sanchez is not well and has thoroughly beclowned himself

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    Hillary Clinton DESTROYS Drumpf!

    Great World Cup. Question for President Trump as he meets Putin: Do you know which team you play for?

    #StillWithHer
    #Resist
    #TrumpRussia

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    I'm sure she nearly died laughing as she typed this... *narrows gaze* nearly.

  • lap83||

    is she implying that he's gay?

  • lap83||

    btw you forgot the best hashtag #treasonsummit

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    Lock him up! Lock him up!

  • Rebel Scum||

    She should look in the mirror...

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    #StillWithHim
    #InternsToo

  • loveconstitution1789||

    #HillaryWonThePopularVote

  • Don't look at me.||

    IT WAS HER TURN!

  • ||

    She's such a lousy, narcissistic, wretched twat.

    And a loser.

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

  • Mike Laursen||

    Ugh! Don't link to a video without warning you're linking to a video.

  • Homple||

    Thank you for the latest update from the Miss Havisham of American politics.

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!

    I wonder how The Heritage Foundation will spin this latest apology tour.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    The following is a list of the 10 most significant apologies by the President of the United States in his first four months of office as they relate to foreign policy and national security issues.

    1. Apology to France and Europe ("America Has Shown Arrogance")

    WE'RE ARROGANT, BITCHES! hardly sounds like an apology.

    But I am not an idiot conservative.

    (Progs suck too)

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    "Putin and his dadgum Russkie agents hacked into muh votin' machine and stole muh vote!!"

    -Dipshit Dave Weigel

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    Dave "Yosemite" Weigel?

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

    He's the rootenest, tootenest, six-shootenist blackguard this side of the Potomac.

  • $park¥ The Misanthrope||

    +2 six shooters

  • Cy||

    "But I am not an idiot conservative."

    We're all well aware of your membership to the "free shit victimhood army."

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Fuck you. I hate Bernie Sanders and his ilk.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Bernie doesn't think he should have more than a few types of ilk.

  • Cy||

    You're anti Bernie? Welcome to the "far right!"

  • loveconstitution1789||

    #ButtplugRightWingLunaticNow

  • MarkLastname||

    You just love that man so much you can't stand to anyone speak ill of him, can you?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Butthole is all about ill'n.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I hate liars and the "apology tour" was as big a lie as "not born in the USA/birther bullshit.

    Why do conservatives need to lie to win? It makes no sense.

    Flag waving and tax cuts should be enough. All Democrats have is "We're not as crazy as the GOP is".

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Have you noticed that the media has moved away from calling white nationalists "Nazis" or "Neo-Nazis"?

    The media is scared and aware that Americans know that Nazis are Socialists.

  • Happy Chandler||

    So the fact that the Republican party has been nominating actual, self described Nazis this cycle means that Republicans are the real socialists?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Major Political Parties in the USA dont have a track record of kicking candidates out of the Party.

    Democrats had Nazis run under that party banner and Republicans had Nazis run under that party banner.

    The GOP is becoming the big spending Nanny-State and absorbing Democrats. The Democratic Party is becoming the 100% Communist Party.

    Nazis and Communists always fought to see who was the most powerful Socialist.

  • Happy Chandler||

    Right. The Nazis showed their socialist bona fides by executing trade union leaders, right?

  • Just Say'n||

    The Democrats are electing socialists with party support.....

  • Happy Chandler||

    Socialism works, is getting more popular, and wins elections.

    Socialism isn't communism.

    Fascists aren't socialist.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Oh Happy, Socialism is getting less popular and more fringe because its toeing the Communist line.

    Historically, Lefties twist their monikers to avoid what they are. Some Marxists called themselves Progressives. Progressives then called themselves Liberals. Liberals then called themselves SJWs.

    In the end, its Socialism and if they want all to belong to the state, then its Communism.

  • Happy Chandler||

    That's not actually true.

    Although that poll is flawed because socialism and capitalism are compatible.

    Remember the lesson of Bernie. Well, that, and Bernie had a push from the Russians.

  • Cy||

    Careful, he might call you a Nazi!

  • Just Say'n||

    We can pretend like the expansion of NATO to Russia's borders and overthrowing the legitimately elected president of Ukraine had nothing to do with Russia's invasion of Ukraine or we can live in reality. The same people who mock others for being offended about football players kneeling during the anthem are awfully pissed when Obama or Trump note how many of America's problems are of our own making.

  • Robert||

    Check.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Every president in modern history has held formal meetings with Russian/Soviet leaders. It would be surprising for it *not* to happen. Yet because the US political climate is so crazed, this meeting tomorrow will be portrayed as deeply unusual -- when it's utterly ordinary
    — Michael Tracey (@mtracey) July 16, 2018

    Everything President Trump does is extraordinary!

  • Shirley Knott||

    I don't think that's the correct portmanteau for 'extremely ordinary'.

    Mind you, I'll take ordinary. The presidential search for greatness has been a national curse.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Extraordinary or deeply unusual? Not the same things.

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

    Fist had to stretch in order to make it fit.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Na. Its like throwing a hotdog down a hallway.

  • Mr. Dyslexic||

    Whenever I encounter the rare hallway, I just use my fist.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Ah, Five-Fingered Death Punch!

  • Happy Chandler||

    When was the last one-on-one meeting, without security staff or even a note taker?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Is that the only way to get things done?

    Why would Trump want to be in a room alone with Putin when Putin has used nerve agents to assassinate his KGB enemies?

  • Happy Chandler||

    He was, for over two hours. He did not leave a record of the discussions for the security team to analyze.

    Why would he? That's the million dollar question.

  • Lucius Fergeson||

    Micheal Tracy is a godsend: A journalist that actually is good at what he does and isn't a brainless twat like the majority of them that work for firms like Reason, Salon, Slate, Breitbart or the big TV networks

  • Rebel Scum||

    Make Human Rights Great Agains

    Eurotards care about human rights while policing speech and not allowing their subjects citizens to be armed. Color me skeptical.

  • ColoradoKook||

    "The goal of politics is the make the world as good as possible. For everyone."

    Therein lies the problem. If that's the goal of politics, the State is almighty achieving this. My only hope for politics is to find a governing structure that is as non-instrusive as possible.

  • Rebel Scum||

    blessed be the immigrant child

    I don't understand the Handmaids Tale connection to immigration. And I don't understand why people who want to be able to have taxpayer funded abortions up to and including the time when babies pass through the birth canal all of the sudden care about the well-being of children.

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

  • Robert||

    Yes, I've written that for about the past millenium, Western "conservatism" has been about delivering babies to boost the popul'n & stock the armed forces. It's a rxn to the medieval plagues & crusades.

  • ||

    Try reading more.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    President Donald Trump opined that America's relationship with Russia "has NEVER been worse"—cold war, schmold war, amirite?—and that this situation is all our fault. These historically strained U.S.-Russia relations come "thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity, and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!" Trump tweeted at 2:05 a.m.

    Reactions from folks across the political spectrum were full of disbelief and scorn for Trump's statement, which comes on the heel of a new indictment of Russian intelligence officials for alleged interference in the 2016 U.S. election.

    Cue Lefty hatred of America and what Trump actually said, in 3...2...1...

  • Echo Chamber||

    "some of the toughest sanctions in years have fallen on Russia's elite under the Trump administration. Sanctions imposed over Russia's invasion of Crimea in 2014 have not been lifted, Trump approved the sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine — something Barack Obama did not do — and he has ordered missiles fired at Syrian military sites, openly targeting strategic operations and allies of Russia"

  • Robert||

    All to forestall accus'ns that he's pro-Russia or Putin's puppet. Maybe he's had all he can take & now can drop that stance, since it didn't seem to work.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    Lawrence O'Donnell: Russia launched a war against the United States of America in 2016. And won.

    As a libertarian, I want a strong President who will get revenge for Russia's attack on our country. All options should be on the table, including a military response.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    While it is obvious that Trump is Putin's bitch it is unlikely that Hillary's strap-on would scare Putin much at all.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    #StillWithHim
    #IncestIsBest
    #InternsToo

  • loveconstitution1789||

    #HillaryLovesBombing
    #Election2016WasHerBiggestBombYet

  • Just Say'n||

    It's strange how much woketarians sound exactly like neoconservatives

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    "There's more feces than I've ever seen".

    -San Francisco mayor London Breed

    Even San Francisco progtards, some of America's biggest and most original protards, are starting to become alarmed at what a complete shithole their city is turning into. Literally. Hey you idiots, what did you think was going to happen when you pushed your stupid bullcrap about how homelessness is some of civic virtue and defecating in the streets in a human right?

    Clean the shit up off your streets, take a little bit of pride in yourselves if that's even possible for you, and enforce some basic norms. You're supposed to be part of an advanced modern society, not the fucking third world, so act like it.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Loan them your outhouse, Mikey.

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    I bet that not even DC Metro PD would allow a bum to take a dump in front of your apartment on Euclid Street.

    San Francisco is really where you belong though, being the fucking sick degenerate that you are.

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

  • Robert||

    STEVE SMITH NOT ALLOW DUTY AT CAVE ENTRANCE!

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Half of San Francisco's population is a walking biohazard experiment, I doubt they're all that worried about airborne or waterborne shit diseases.

  • Rhywun||

    Letting them sleep in piles of their own needles and waste is just a sign of how much they care. Don't you care?

  • Cy||

    Illegally import the 3rd world and wave your magic proggy wand and BAM! ... they're still a bunch of illiterate 3rd worlders.

    Act surprised!

    Scapegoat it to the people who told you not to import a bunch of 3rd worlders.

    Repeat!

  • CatoTheChipper||

    The "scapegoat" step includes advocacy of real socialism (which literally exists only in naive imagination) because capitalism has totally failed to improve the lot of the poor (i.e., a growing influx of prolific, illiterate 3rd-worlders as well as well-subsidized domestic drug addicts and other ne'er-do-wells).

  • Cy||

    Illegally import the 3rd world and wave your magic proggy wand and BAM! ... they're still a bunch of illiterate 3rd worlders.

    Act surprised!

    Scapegoat it to the people who told you not to import a bunch of 3rd worlders.

    Repeat!

  • CatoTheChipper||

    You can say that again!

  • Zeb||

    Not everything is about immigration, you know.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The media thinks otherwise.

  • Zeb||

    Yeah, well, fuck those guys.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    I wouldn't fuck media guys and gals with Sarcasmic's 100% Minianarchist dick.

  • LynchPin1477||

    Legitimately curious what Trump supporters who criticized Obama for talking ill of and apologizing for US mistakes overseas have to say about this....

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    Kiss a Saudi hand, kiss a Putin ass; what difference, at this point, does it make?

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    They haven't downloaded their talking points for the day yet.

  • lap83||

    a president acting apologetic overseas raises some flags, but by itself it doesn't justify all the screeching about treason

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

    Just wait. I'm sure loveprostitution1789 will be happy to fill you in as soon as his three morning espressos hit.

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

    Just wait. I'm sure loveprostitution1789 will be happy to fill you in as soon as his three morning espressos hit.

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

    And the squirrels are definitely overcaffeinated today. Thanks a lot, guys.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    I don't drink Coffee. I don't drink Coffee.

    Like the drink not the man.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    To be fair, Obama gave billions in cash to terrorists of Iran who want to cause the USA harm and many other instances of something for nothing.

    Trump doesn't give a shit what foreigners like Putin, Merkel, The Queen, and Shikha think.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Quit lying, you Nazi.

    Obama didn't give Iran shit. He repaid them what they were owed.

    Why you GOPers need to lie 24/7 is a mystery.

    Or you are just stupid and repeat Redneck AM radio verbatim.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    #ObamaGovesAwayPalletsOfCash

  • Don't look at me.||

    Why was it paid in cash and trying to be secretive about it? Just a little odd, no?

  • perlchpr||

    Obama didn't give Iran shit.

    Clearly, demonstrably false. Absolutely irrespective of any sort of question as to whether the money was "owed" to them or not, on one day, they were not in possession of that pallet of cash, and the next day they were.

  • Sevo||

    "He repaid them what they were owed.

    You bet!
    In cash.
    Behind the barn.
    When he hoped no one was looking.
    There have to be people more stupid and dishonest than you, but you set a very low bar.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The USA is owed Trillions and for some reason, nobody ever wants to pay us back, except in American blood.

    Fuck Persia and now Iran. If they want to pick a fight with the USA, let them start it and turn their desert into glass.

  • Nardz||

    "Legitimately curious what Trump supporters who criticized Obama for talking ill of and apologizing for US mistakes overseas have to say about this...."

    My position hasn't changed on this for years - poor relations with Russia are absolutely the fault of the US and the UK. We imposed Yeltsin and drastic economic changes so that our oligarchs could loot their country, we continue to expand NATO to their borders, we start trouble in Georgia and a coup in Ukraine, we bomb Serbia, and do literally nothing but disrespect and talk shit about them while threatening their survival.
    Russia is a natural ally, but TOP MEN want to keep Europe propped up.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    I would never say Russia is an ally. They are not the enemy that they were as the USSR.

    Russia has a fetish with re-incorporating all former Russia territory back into Mother Russia. Putin is a strongman from the KGB era who uses force to remain in power. Russia wanted to use corruption to get Ukraine back into the fold. Ukrainians hate Russians. The Russians have treated Ukraine horrible for over 100 years. Ukraine is in the Russia sphere of influence though.

    It cannot be tolerated for countries to invade other nations. Its bad for business and ultimately drags the USA into the conflict sooner or later.

    Playing these fools is really the only US choice. Let Russia waste resources on acting tough instead of reinvesting back into their economy.

    Europe is also not an ally. They are not our enemy either.

  • Jerryskids||

    "Typically, courts take into account if information was already published," Times attorney Kelli Sager said in a statement.

    Typically, the information doesn't concern a cop and we all know union rules and following procedures trump the law.

  • Sevo||

    "Elon Musk calls diver who helped save Thailand boys a 'pedo' for slamming his rescue idea"
    [...]
    "Tech billionaire Elon Musk sent a viral shockwave Sunday in a tweet apparently accusing a British diver who helped rescue the 12 boys from a Thailand cave of being a pedophile.
    Musk later reportedly doubled down on the unfounded claim, telling another Twitter user he'd bet money it was "true."
    http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/07/15/
    elon-musk-calls-diver-who-helped-save-thailand-
    boys-pedo-for-slamming-his-rescue-idea.html

    They didn't go for his submarine, so there must be a reason, I guess.

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

    ...

    He be losin' his shit like Mike Hihn.

    ALSO! Before I forget:

    http://www.echoecho.com/html.htm

  • Sevo||

    Don't care about the HTML.
    Not going to do workarounds for Reason's two-bit web management.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Send it to sevo@aol.com.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Being in Thailand means you fuck kids, except Elon Musk who was in Thailand to grab some kids from a well-known hole.

  • Rhywun||

    Of course they are "since deleted" tweets. Billionaire genius mind at work, folks.

  • Mickey Rat||

    It is unfortunate that Twitter allows a celebrity more ways to have a public nervous breakdown.

  • Shirley Knott||

    Is it? Is it really?

  • Cy||

    +1

  • Sevo||

    'Nother +1

  • Citizen X||

    One man's "unfortunate" is another man's "both educational and entertaining."

  • ||

    Musk must be a nightmare to work for. I'm sure his employees hate giving him bad news and the truth.

  • Sevo||

    The Chron doesn't bother with a staff editorial cartoonist, so they reprint whatever the find.
    Today was a left-over Toles cartoon, wherein Trump appointing SC justices is 'taking over democracy'; I guess he should have asked the hag who she would have preferred to 'save democracy':
    https://www.gocomics.com/tomtoles/2018/07/11

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Lefties better get all those pearl clutching cartoons ready for when Trump gets to replace RBG, Breyer, and Thomas with youthful originalists or at least conservatives.

  • Cy||

    Oooooo! Gratzi!

  • Mickey Rat||

    I think Trump's blaming the state US-Russia relations is about as servile as blaming the 9/11 attacks on US foreign policy.

  • Lucius Fergeson||

    But it was the result of bad US foreign policy, namely training Mujahadeen to fight the Soviets and having them backfire and attack us once that was done. I don't think actively antagonizing another state is a good thing, especially when you both have the world's largest nuclear stockpiles in the world. Diplomacy works unlike that bullshit neocon war-mongering of yours that we've been trying for decades now.

  • Tony||

    My question is what do the translators do during the bilateral meeting when Trump is servicing Putin. The BJ would be awkward enough, but the tears and the begging...

  • Don't look at me.||

    You are a strange person.

  • Tony||

    Yet I've never asked any hookers to pee on each other.

  • Just Say'n||

    If you think that legitimately happened, then you are more disturbed than I thought

  • loveconstitution1789||

    He has fever dreams about Trump every day and is disturbed more than anyone can imagine.

  • Tony||

    What reason is there to think it didn't? Trump's too classy for hookers but not porn stars?

  • Just Say'n||

    What reason is there not to believe that Hillary is not afflicted with some debilitating disease?

  • Tony||

    Rightwingers invent conspiracies out of thin air. You have to watch them closely. The pee dossier has more verified facts in it than a year of Tucker Carlson flapping his stupid face.

  • Just Say'n||

    The pee dossier is so credible that the FBI hid who funded the dossier from Congress and FISA courts.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Hillary and Bill Clinton were involved in pedo activity on Lolita Express and on Jeffrey Epstein's island.

    What reason is there to think it didn't happen?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Tony, you should know by now that you are on a forum where most of us are willing to listen to arguments but we require some kind of non-fever dream evidence to back up your positions.

    Even if Trump did pee on hookers while Putin watched... who cares.

    Bill Clinton was the argument that settled it for sitting presidents to be to do whatever they want sexually and get away with it.

    Trump was not even president when the alleged peeing rained down on some whores.

  • Tony||

    So if Obama had extramaritally fucked a porn star, you would have left the story alone, right? Bill Clinton set the standard. You just said so yourself.

    Neither you nor Fat Hannity would have said a goddamn peep. I'm supposed to believe that right?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Obama did cheat on Michelle. You didn't know that?

  • Sevo||

    "If you think that legitimately happened, then you are more disturbed than I thought"

    "Disturbed" doens't cover it. Fucking ignoramus gets close.

  • Mickey Rat||

    Nobody thinks you are on that side of the transaction.

  • creech||

    Wondering what happened to all that Quaker pacifist love that the Dems showed in 2012 when they excoriated Mitt Romney for saying Russia was still an enemy? And why the sudden Putin love among many conservatives? One would almost believe true believers operate on a principals not principles basis.

  • EscherEnigma||

    It's mostly about Putin.

    From 2008 to 2012, he wasn't in charge, and the country's international affairs were different. He got re-elected at the end of 2012, and that's when the relationship started taking a nosedive again.

    We aren't the only the government where elections change our international behavior in drastic ways.

  • Just Say'n||

    "From 2008 to 2012, he wasn't in charge, and the country's international affairs were different."

    He was prime minister, while Medved was the president. But, Putin was clearly in charge, as even President Obama told Medved on a hot mic to tell Putin that he would have more flexibility once he was re-elected.

    There was no change in Russia's foreign policy between 2008 and 2012. And there has been no change in America's foreign policy since the end of the Cold War.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Exactly. Putin waited to be super aggressive until Obama could have his back in late 2013.

    Russia really didnt cause any real problems from 1991 until 2013. If you think Russia actively rigged the Ukrainian election in 2010, then it would be 1991 to 2010.

  • Just Say'n||

    Just admit your hypocrisy and move on

  • Just Say'n||

    Julian Sanchez is not well. The guy suffers from the worst case of TDS in the country.

  • lafe.long||

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    The whole damn thing is a complete sham. A fabrication of the Deep State and their friends in the democratic party to cover their own lying asses.

    Julian Assange knows the truth of what really happened. I just hope he tells the world one day before he dies. Heck, that knowledge may be just about the only thing keeping him alive.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    The Trump-Putin summit takes place in Hesinki, Finland, where residents weren't exactly rolling out the welcome mat:

    I notice the 9 laser-focused protesters in the twitpic are upset with Finland's immigration policy and climate change.

  • Just Say'n||

    It's telling that principled anti-war people on the Left, such as Glenn Greenwald and Tracey, are pushing back on the new Cold War talk, while ostensibly "libertarian" commentators like Sanchez are repeating Bill Kristol talking points.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Like all political parties and political philosophies, there are split tongued agents among you.

  • Jerryskids||

    Well thank God now that Trump has had a chat with Putin, our "worst ever in the history of the universe" relations with Russia have gone to the bestest relations ever between two countries that didn't involve pallets of cash.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Keep you friend close and your enemies closer.

  • BearOdinson||

    I prefer Tony Stark's version:
    Keep your friends rich, and your enemies rich. And wait to find out which is which,

  • shortviking||

    You mean the El Segundo Times. They aren't in LA anymore.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Reactions from folks across the political spectrum were full of disbelief and scorn for Trump's statement, which comes on the heel of a new indictment of Russian intelligence officials for alleged interference in the 2016 U.S. election.

    It's almost as if these people are all ignoramuses.

    Here's a story about why Putin hated Hillary, from July of 2016--before TDS set in with the chattering classes..

    http://www.politico.com/story/.....tin-226153

    As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton's behavior towards Putin was remarkably stupid. Obama deserves his share of the blame, too. If Trump's work with Putin since he was elected has made anything clear, it's that working together with Putin to fight ISIS, etc. was not impossible. It's just that Obama and Hillary Clinton cared more about gay marriage in Moscow and being prudish towards Putin than they did about America's security interests. We wouldn't have won World War II or the Cold War the way we did with an incompetent team like Obama and Hillary in charge.

    Suffice it to say, the current sad state of affairs with Russia is in no small part a direct consequence of the stupid things Obama and Clinton said and did, and anyone who believes otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

  • Ken Shultz||

    I find myself wondering if anybody really believes that TDS is winning libertarianism new friends we wouldn't have otherwise.

    This site used to be rife with legitimate open borders libertarians. I don't think that's changed because the people have changed so much. Rather, I suspect a lot of that is a reaction to people like Dalmia making the case for open borders so badly, that people who used to be open borders have abandoned the position after reading her terrible defense of open immigration (and her TDS attacks on Trump).

    I think it's the same thing with TDS generally. Spewing it doesn't make people want to become more libertarian. It just makes people increasingly disgusted by TDS. Yesterday, I wrote that there's no libertarian substitute for persuasion. Maybe I should have added that there isn't anything persuasive about TDS.

  • Robert||

    That's true. TDS deflects att'n from important libertarian criticism of the state of affairs (including complaints about specific Trump policies) onto thinking that if only we would get rid of or neutralize Trump, things would be OK. Trump's an easy target because he's uncouth, but being couth wins you no points.

    It's like the complaint I had about Steve Mahlzberg: that he picked soft targets to attack on his talk show. But at least they were somewhat legit. Attacking all things Trump because Trump(!!)...who needs it?

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Reactions from folks across the political spectrum were full of disbelief and scorn for Trump's statement, which comes on the heel of a new indictment of Russian intelligence officials for alleged interference in the 2016 U.S. election.

    Judging the veracity of a statement by the people who tweet about it is profoundly lame.

  • Robert||

    Trump's absofuckinglutely right. Steve F. Cohen's been saying for the past yr. what Trump just tweeted.

  • Lucius Fergeson||

    Are you a libertarian or are you a typical neocon/neolib ideologue that likes the beating of the war drums, Hihn?
    The way you change your position constantly in regards to this confuses me.

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