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"There is a rape culture on college campuses that creates an unsafe environment for female students."

That's the resolution for tonight's Reason-Soho Forum debate, which starts at 6:30 P.M. ET at the Subculture Theater in New York's East Village.

Michael Kimmel will be arguing the affirmative. He is the SUNY Distinguished Professor of Sociology and Gender Studies at Stony Brook University and the author of Manhood in America; Angry White Men; The Politics of Manhood; The Gendered Society; and the best seller, Guyland: The Perilous World Where Boys Become Men. Cathy Young will be arguing the negative. She is a contributing editor at Reason magazine, a weekly columnist at Newsday, and a regular contributor to the Jewish Daily Forward and The Weekly Standard. She's the author of two books: Growing Up in Moscow: Memories of a Soviet Girlhood (1989) and Ceasefire: Why Women and Men Must Join Forces to Achieve True Equality (1999).

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  • sage||

    The answer is yes, and you feel it every time you pay back your student loan

  • Cy||

    Your unforgivable government subsidized student loans.

  • ||

    Curious - if Young believes there is no rape culture on American college campuses and Kimmel explains how she's wrong, is that mansplaining or gaslighting? Or does it depend on which one is right?

  • StackOfCoins||

    Why does Reason use Facebook for these streaming events? It's far inferior to YouTube.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Maybe it's easier to alert users it is streaming easier

  • StackOfCoins||

    It just took a shit. Same thing happened during the webathon.

    Please stop using this 3rd world garbage, Reason.

  • Eidde||

    What is the rate of sober, chaste people becoming either complainants or defendants in rape cases?

  • BigT||

    100% because they sober up to complain or when they find out they are accused.

  • Eidde||

    I guess that wasn't *quite* my point.

    Whenever I hear about these college cases, there's generally some kind of booze-sodden party going on.

    Of course I presume there's still stranger rapes, or abuse of trust rapes, etc., my question is about the frequency among boozy partiers versus those who aren't.

  • Eidde||

    Frequency of *claims,* true or false.

  • sarcasmic||

    Since nobody involved is going to tell the whole, embarrassing truth, we will never know.

  • Eidde||

    Suppose someone asked themselves - "I neither want to be assaulted nor to be falsely accused of assault. In fact, I'm going to make that a major objective to avoid either scenario. Given that, should I go to that party, drink to excess, and have sex? Or should I do something non-booze-and-sex related?"

  • Red Tony||

    So Eidde, are you advocating that college students shoot up heroin in their rooms by themselves instead of partying?

  • Eidde||

    Is that the hot new college drug?

  • Red Tony||

    When cocaine cannot kill my pain...

  • Eidde||

    I thought the kids were into ritalin, Red Bull and Four Loko.

    Which they butt-chug.

  • Red Tony||

    Dude, I attended college in the 80s. I'm now in my seventies. I don't know what the kids butt-chug. I only know it's not my penis.

  • Devastator||

    Lol what are you a Puritan?

  • Eidde||

    Now, if both parties are drunk, but there's no reason to suppose the woman is drunker than the man, how can we say that one party is a victim, and the other party took advantage of an incapacitated person?

  • Barbara Yarhead||

    Apparently it is whoever is doing the thrusting. This is why fraternities must teach all members the finer points of drunken cowgirl.
    If the girl is on top don't call the cop!

  • Eidde||

    Now the male feminist is going full Captain Queeg.

  • Eidde||

    Well, I'm not getting turned on at all.

  • Eidde||

    Is nobody else watching this? I feel fairly lonesome.

  • StackOfCoins||

    Hard to comment and earnestly listen at the same time.

  • Eidde||

    Listen? I'm male, I got no time to listen.

  • Eidde||

    Anyway, there used to be long comment threads during the Independents episodes.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    This guy is incredibly condescending.

  • StackOfCoins||

    I have no idea what that stupid prop was meant to convey.

    Oh wait, I do: in this guys myopic mind, every male is automatically a rapist and must vigorously guard against their rapist instincts.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    That's basically the core of the rebuttal by the against.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I came in late. Did we define Rape Culture early on?

  • StackOfCoins||

    "Everyone else is getting some, I didn't: here's why there's a rape culture on campus"

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Well, turns out that I wasn't a part of the rape culture then.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Get fucked, son.

  • Eidde||

    Who are the ones preventing sororities from serving booze?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Can the college even prevent students from distributing booze at a party?

  • Eidde||

    Most sororities have to follow a sexist and potentially dangerous rule that gives men on college campuses power

    Who imposed this rule? The male dictators in the Handmaid's Tale?

    "a rule within the National Panhellenic Conference (NPC) — an umbrella organization of 26 autonomous sororities — that bans alcohol in sorority houses."

    Wait, it's a national sorority organization imposing sexism on itself?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I question whether they meant it as sexist, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if they instigated bad rules upon themselves.

  • Eidde||

    I was attempting what you earthlings call sarcasm.

    I suspect it had less to do with sexism and more with not wanting their sorority houses to have booze-sodden parties, vomit on the carpet, etc., noise while some of the sisters are sleeping/studying/etc.

  • Eidde||

    But listening to Mr. Feminist, you got the idea that Buffalo Bill from Silience of the Lambs enacted this rule so he'd be better able to look for victims.

  • John||

    http://www.independent.co.uk/v.....61831.html

    Speaking of rape culture, and things reason won't cover or talking about. Remember the sad midnight on a Friday two months after the story broke post reason did? We just didn't know what this story was about. Well this woman does. Thanks for all your moral courage and truth to power on this you fucking hipster doofuses. Hi

  • Red Tony||

    Hi, John!

    And yes this is horrible. But it's also England, not the US.

  • John||

    Reason thought England was important enough to cheer lead open borders there and in Europe.

  • John||

    And when it happens here, and it will, reason will still not want to talk about it. To them this kind of stuff is just cultural flavor like food trucks

  • Mickey Rat||

    "My main perpetrator quoted scriptures from the Quran to me as he beat me. However, almost identical scriptures (about the stoning to death of virgins who don't scream when they are raped) can also be found in the Bible."

    The SJW brain washing is so complete in Britain that even a survivor of this horror engages in "whataboutisms".

  • DajjaI||

    The rape culture hysteria is fomented by 2 common propaganda techniques. The first is to model alleged rape scenarios, such as a girl has a few drinks and then "can't remember" the sexual encounter. And yes kids act out these narratives quite literally. The second is to legitimize narrative revisionism - to 'realize' that an encounter was in fact rape after all. The vectors of this propaganda are primarily Lifetime specials and freshmen orientation videos. And they are very effective and I'm amazed the kids don't push back against them more forcefully. Back in my day we used to ridicule such blatant propaganda and these days kids just seem to gobble it up (or join the ranks of the men's rights fringe). This bodes poorly for Trump's push for anti-drug propaganda.

  • Eidde||

    None of the coeds want to act in my "freshman orientation videos."

  • DajjaI||

    Try cgi.

  • Eidde||

    I've also been having trouble getting directors to return my calls...maybe that's the reason.

  • Eidde||

    The prize is a tootsie roll?

    Rape culture!

  • ||

    How's the cuck doing?

  • Eidde||

    Are *you* the tenured head of a Men's Center?

    Sounds like nice work if you can get it.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    A lot of the Peanuts here believe in this bogus "rape culture" thing. I remember discussing that creep Harvey Weinstein and many here were ready to convict him without evidence or for just pulling his dick out in from of a couple of female comedians in his hotel room.

  • Trinka||

    So you were being an apologist for an actual rapist, and think that compares to this.

    No wonder everyone talks shot about you and laughs at how stupid you are. But I honestly had no idea you were also a rape apologist.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    It's cucks like you who help perpetuate this SJW nonsense.

    HW's accusers were saying he exposed himself and jacked off into a potted plant. That is hardly rape, pal. Only later did one say he "forced" her into giving him oral sex.

    Even creeps like HW are entitled to due process.

  • Trinka||

    At least 4 women have accused him of rape. Actual rape. Please continue demonstrating how stupid and uninformed you are

  • ||

    HW has been accused of far worse. Louis CK was accused of jerking off in front of girls. Franken even less.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Then let those four women press charges against him.

    Again, even creeps have constitutional rights and saying so does not make me a "rape apologist". Conservatives have a pattern of convicting people by AM radio. It doesn't work that way under the US Constitution.

  • Trinka||

    Well, that's nice that you think that, but you've already shown you have an interest in minimizing his crimes, so I'm not sure why you're still posting.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Crimes? He was convicted? You sound like Trump convicting people based on race.

    Again, your disregard for the US Constitution is telling. I know conservatives hate the Constitution but you are just proving it.

    Go ahead and tell us how women should not vote and how literacy tests are fine and how the 14th Amendment destroyed states rights, and how Senators should not be directly elected, etc

  • Trinka||

    What part of due process requires you to minimize what he did and be ignorant of the claims against him while insisting such claims don't actually exist?

  • Trinka||

    "Crimes? He was convicted"

    Speaking of telling what kind of psychopath thinks that one has only committed crimes if one is caught and prosecuted for them

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I called him a creep.

    But there is no finding that he is a rapist - yet.

    I know you conservatives. You convict HW of rape without due process but vigorously defend a predator like Donald Trump.

    (notice I call him a predator and not a rapist? He is an admitted predator)

  • Trinka||

    "I called him a creep"

    While minimizing what he did and being ignorant of claims of actual rape made against him, while hiding behind a specious claim of defending due process.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    being ignorant of claims of actual rape

    And you would be the first to convict the Duke Lacrosse team of rape based on claims.

  • Trinka||

    Well, I'm not a court, so I can't convict anyone of anything. You do understand I am not a court?

    However, I can use the March madness "body of work" standard to come to a personal conclusion about the veracity of claims against him.

    What I still don't understand is why you think minimizing the claims against him, and being grossly ignorant of the facts has anything to do with due process.

    As to the Duke Lacrosse case, did all the players have a long history of inappropriate sexual behavior with subordinates? It seems the information in that case is far different, so a normal person would use their judgment based on that information.

    I do understand, however, that such sophisticated ideas are difficult for you to grasp.

  • Sevo||

    Palin's Buttplug|3.19.18 @ 9:40PM|#
    "I know you conservatives. You convict HW of rape without due process but vigorously defend a predator like Donald Trump."

    Turd, those voices in your head ain't getting better.
    Cites or STFU.

  • Trinka||

    "And you would be the first to convict the Duke Lacrosse team of rape based on claims."

    How does he think this is a defense of his ignorance, or even relevant at all? Is that his thing, when cornered, he starts attempting to divert attention?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    You are a classic authoritarian police-state type conservative. A hanging judge type. You want the accused to be locked up by accusation only.

    I am an ACLU liberal who supports due process.

    That is the difference here. There is no mystery here.

  • Trinka||

    Who said he should be locked up?

    Why do you keep diverting attention?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Look, I know why you want to publicly convict HW - he is a Hollywood liberal and you don't like him for it. You have a petty political motivation. Would you call Trump a rapist too? If not I know it is political.

    I support due process. I am a John Locke liberal and donate to the ACLU. That is my motivation.

    Is Trump a rapist?

  • Trinka||

    And yet, the idea of supporting due process without white-knighting for Weinstein is beyond your mental faculties.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Is Trump a rapist?

    Answer that.

    Your lack of an answer will prove your partisan position.

  • Trinka||

    Another sad diversion.

  • Trinka||

    I continue to wonder why you're so unsophisticated as to lump Weinstein, Trump, and Duke Lacrosse into the same category.

    Are you really so ignorant of the different as, or does turning this from your behavior into an assault on me mean that much to You?

    Because no one is buying it for a moment. It's a tired old game, and you're too transparent to pull it off.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Is Trump a racist? Yes or no?

    I want you to apply the same standard to Trump and HW.

  • Trinka||

    "I want you to apply the same standard to Trump and HW"

    I am. You just seem incapable of grasping that.

  • Trinka||

    "Is Trump a rapist?

    Answer that.

    Your lack of an answer will prove your partisan position."

    That seems to be an admission that you're only defending Weinstein because of your own political motivations.

    "Look, I know why you want to publicly convict HW - he is a Hollywood liberal and you don't like him for it. You have a petty political motivation. "

    As does that.

    " know you conservatives. You convict HW of rape without due process but vigorously defend a predator like Donald Trump."

    And that.

    You seem unaware that you've admitted you are reacting to attacks, and not actually defending due process at all.

    In fact, reading your post, you only give lip service to due process, while repeatedly defending Weinstein against the substance of the accusations against him.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I haven't defended HW at all, you idiot.

    ANYONE is entitled to due process. That is no defense at all.

    He may have committed rape. So might have Trump.

    They are BOTH sexual predators though.

  • Trinka||

    "I haven't defended HW at all, you idiot."

    Then someone is spoofing you and doing it for you.

  • Trinka||

    "Is Trump a racist? Yes or no?"

    By your standard, no, since he was never convicted of it in court.

    "Is Trump a rapist?"

    Again, by your standard it would have to be no.

    Have a lovely evening knowing that the President is neither a rapist nor a racist, according the very useful standards you abide by.

    It was big of you to admit that about him, others might disagree with you, but I will be there with you when you shout them down in the name of due process.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Notice upthread I declined to call Trump a rapist?

    You convict HW of rape without due process but vigorously defend a predator like Donald Trump.

    notice I call him a predator and not a rapist? He is an admitted predator)

    I apply the same standard to all.

  • Trinka||

    So we are agreed, Trump is neither a racist nor a rapist.

    No need to belabor the point.

  • Trinka||

    I still don't see how any of that has anything to do with you being ignorant of Weinstein's raps and then pretending the reason you are defending him isn't your political bias.

  • Trinka||

    "Weinstein's rapes" although his rhymes are also probably a form of assault.

  • Red Tony||

    Oh yeah. When the Weinstein story broke, Palin'sB went full "Weinstein did nothing wrong!" in a thread. And was totally creepy about it too.

  • Trinka||

    I'm not surprised, here it seems he is claiming that his accusers "were saying he exposed himself and jacked off into a potted plant. That is hardly rape, pal. Only later did one say he "forced" her into giving him oral sex."

    That means he is either aggressively ignorant of intentionally dishonest.

  • Red Tony||

    He's aggressively dishonest.

  • Trinka||

    And he seems to have some weird martyr complex.

  • Sevo||

    He's got daddy issues, along with a raging case of dishonesty.

  • Trinka||

    I'm legitimately in shock that he's white knighting for Weinstein.

  • Sevo||

    "I'm legitimately in shock that he's white knighting for Weinstein."
    I really have no idea if Weinstein is guilty or not, and neither does turd.
    He is an imbecilic lefty liar with daddy issues whose 'opinions' are not even close to worthless.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I remember when I asked him straight, "are you saying that what he is accused of doing is not rape?"

    His response?

    "Bitches had it coming."

  • Eidde||

  • Eidde||

  • Eidde||

    From Viking warriors to Social Justice Warriors: Scandanavia is launching a politically-correct assault on religious freedom

    "The same progressive values that make the region a global role model are inspiring lawmakers across the north to take aim at key ritual practices for the Jewish community — circumcision and kosher slaughter. These legal efforts might make Jewish life more difficult — or even unviable — in this part of the world, and could similarly affect Muslims, who also circumcise and use religiously specified methods to kill animals for meat."

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Shit, does everything fall under the penumbra of "religious freedom" these days?

  • Eidde||

    They're just talking about prohibiting the practice of Judaism and Islam in Scandinavia. This poses no issue of religious freedom.

  • Procyon Rotor||

    Ooh, are we starting a circumcision debate? My turn. A libertarian conception of ethics doesn't allow for "religious rights" that are separate from the fundamental freedoms of thought and action all people share. "I do this because God says I should" can't be treated any differently than "I do this because I feel like it". Further, our freedoms are constrained by the NAP, and some actions are simply impermissible. Mutilating infants is a violation of the NAP, and as such can and should be prohibited, regardless of the motivations for doing it.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Trash panda scores a KO.

  • Eidde||

    Isn't it interesting that, just as advancing technology provides means for regrowing one's foreskin, if desired, there's an increased move to impose what even by the activists' standards seems a ban on circumcision.

    These Scandinavians are the same social-democrats who screw up in just about every other context - and you trust them to ban the practice of entire religions?

    And the unholy alliance between buttplug and other commenters is probably one of the signs in the Book of Revelations.

  • Eidde||

    what even by the activists' standards seems an unnecessary ban on circumcision.

  • Procyon Rotor||

    So the "entire religion" of Judaism is just cutting up baby dicks? If so, then yeah, I guess I support banning its practice. If it's that important to them, they can damn well wait until the men are adults, and can give informed consent.

  • Procyon Rotor||

    And "foreskin restoration" is bunk. The damage done to nerves and the trauma inflicted on the brain can never be repaired.

  • Sevo||

    "Mutilating infants"
    I'm sure you have an objective definition of that, right?

  • Sevo||

    Put another way, your choice of verbs makes it immediately obvious you have an agenda to promote; you should be ignored.

  • Shut the fuck up Sevo||

    From Merriam-Webster "to cut up or alter radically so as to make imperfect"

    Clearly applies to circumcision you stupid old fuck.
    And I guess that means being a stupid old fuck is your agenda, and why you should be ignored.

    Fuck off now boy.

  • Sevo||

    Shut the fuck up Sevo|3.19.18 @ 11:54PM|#
    "From Merriam-Webster "to cut up or alter radically so as to make imperfect"
    Clearly applies to circumcision you stupid old fuck."

    Only to assholes such as you. Does your wienie not work, limp-kid?
    Fuck off, asshole.

  • Sevo||

    "Does your wienie not work, limp-kid?"
    Oh, and you blame mommy, limp-kid?
    Fuck off.

  • Procyon Rotor||

    I would define it as the surgical removal of a part of the anatomy for non-medical reasons.

  • GILMORE™||

    shortest debate ever:

    Me: (reads stats)

    "According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, the adjusted per-capita victimization rate of rape has declined from about 2.4 per 1000 people (age 12 and above) in 1980... to about 0.4 per 1000 people, a decline of about 85%.

    According to a March 2013 report from the U.S. Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics, from 1995 to 2010, the estimated annual rate of female rape or sexual assault declined 58%, from 5.0 victimizations per 1,000 females age 12 or older to 2.1 per 1,000. Assaults on young women aged 12–17 declined from 11.3 per 1,000 in 1994-1998 to 4.1 per 1,000 in 2005-2010; assaults on women aged 18–34 also declined over the same period, from 7.0 per 1,000 to 3.7.[19][20]"

    Further - data show 'college kids' to be far-less-rapey compared to non-college peers; and that incidence of rape is in-decline in both student and non-student populations.

    to wit: if there is any 'culture' in america at all, it is one that has REDUCED sexual-violence + assault, and LESSENED the sort of risk that the typical SJW pretends is lurking in every potential sexual encounter.

  • Mcgoo95||

    I really want to care about all this.....but I just don't...

  • Banake||

    I feel the same.

  • Banake||

    If the world was a good place, Kimmel would be in jail.

  • Banake||

    If the world was a good place, Kimmel would be in jail.

  • Careless||

    All that needs to be said on the subject: if you told a friend that you had raped a girl last night, what are the odds your friend would not be aghast? 90%? That's rape culture. 50%? Rape culture-y. But we all know the odds are under 1%, and it's a silly concept.

  • Sevo||

    "All that needs to be said on the subject: if you told a friend that you had raped a girl last night, what are the odds your friend would not be aghast? 90%? That's rape culture. 50%? Rape culture-y. But we all know the odds are under 1%, and it's a silly concept"

    I'm willing to accept that there are small collections of thugs who would applaud one another for rape.
    But I'll go further regarding your definition: 1% of the population is too high.
    While I'm not sure how to prove it, I'm more than certain that most anyone would have to ask far more than one hundred random folks to find a single one who supports screwing another under coercion.

  • Sevo||

    This assumes that "rape" is defined as sex under the threat of physical violence; coercion.
    It does not accept "rape" as a post-facto decision that it wasn't a good idea. I've still got both arms, but there have been times when I was tempted to chew one of them off...

  • Eidde||

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