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Time for Senate Republicans to Poke the Bear

The legislative branch is failing its basic constitutional duties, out of cowardly fear of a blustery president.

Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), one of two increasingly lonely libertarians in the House of Representatives, had a crazy idea Wednesday morning in the wake of President Trump's unpersuasive prime-time speech about border wall funding and the government shutdown: Have the House and Senate hash out a spending bill, send that bill to the president, and if he vetoes it, they can override, or not.

"This is our system," Amash tweeted, with the slightest hint of desperation. "We should follow it."

What an intriguing concept: Congress could do its job and ask the president to do his.

Not that it will happen anytime soon. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) made that clear in an interview with Sean Hannity on Tuesday night, ceding the Senate's legislative function to the erratic executive-brancher he once described as "the world's biggest jackass."

"If we undercut the president," the senator warned, "that's the end of his presidency and the end of our party, and we deserve to be punished."

The combination of an aggressive president and a supine Congress has rendered pathetic many a legislator who were once afforded at least some respect. Graham arguably leads the pack.

"This is the most presidential I have seen President Trump," he told Hannity. "It was compelling and everything he said was true."

I've seen more convincing hostage videos.

And it's not just old Republican hawks displaying constitutional obsequiousness to a man who chafes daily at what checks and balances still constrain the presidency. Many of the same young Freedom Caucus representatives who came to Congress spitting fire about Barack Obama's executive overreach are now running interference for Trump on Robert S. Mueller III's Russia investigation.

Former Sen. Bob Corker, also a Republican, came up with a most memorable phrase to describe this hibernation by the legislative branch when he accurately accused Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnel (R-Ky.) last summer of blocking almost all amendments and proposed bills out of fear that "we might poke the bear" residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. "The United States Senate right now…is becoming a body where, well, we'll do what we can do, but my gosh, if the president gets upset with us, then we might not be in the majority," Corker said.

Sooner rather than later, we're going to need Senate Republicans to reanimate their bear-poking muscles. If the country's most influential conservative follows through on his threats to declare a national emergency on the border, deploy additional military on U.S. soil, and go on an eminent domain spree at the expense of Texas ranchers, then it's going to take more than court challenges to thwart the abuse.

But even before we reach a genuine constitutional crisis, whether through authoritarian power grabs or whatever comes next in the Mueller investigation, Congress needs to resolve its own self-made crisis of deferring decision-making authority to the president. The U.S. is fighting undeclared wars all over the globe, the legislative branch hasn't passed a proper budget in more than two decades, and the Senate can't even screw up the courage to limit the president's flagrantly bogus "national security" justification for imposing dumb tariffs.

So embedded has congressional cowardice become that in one of the last acts of his disappointing career, former House Speaker Paul D. Ryan actually smuggled into a farm bill a provision barring the lame-duck Congress from exercising the War Powers Act "with respect to Yemen." Yes, in the farm bill.

In response, the House's other lonely libertarian, Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), infuriated his colleagues by demanding that every subsequent vote in the 115th Congress be counted, rather than rubber-stamped via unanimous consent. It has gotten so bad that your elected representatives don't even want their votes to leave a paper trail.

Meme-inducingly robotic as they were Tuesday night, House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) were right on their essential point: The government shutdown ends tomorrow if McConnell merely resubmits the same continuing resolution the Senate passed unanimously in December, and then senators vote the same way they did three weeks ago.

But Mitch won't poke the bear, at least not until more than a handful of Republican senators are willing to force his hand.

What about that new guy, handsome fella from Utah, who made waves in Washington last week by vowing to "speak out against significant statements or actions that are divisive, racist, sexist, anti-immigrant, dishonest or destructive to democratic institutions"?

Reported the Deseret News after Trump's address: "Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, was silent Tuesday night."

Until Senate Republicans rediscover their tongues, let alone spines, their claim to "constitutional conservatism" should be greeted with hoots of laughter. This is our system. We should follow it.

This article originally appeared in the Los Angeles Times.

Photo Credit: Michael Reynolds/UPI/Newscom

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  • esteve7||

    Oh they are going to need a spine when RBG retires. The Kav show trial will be nothing compared to what's to come.

    (Also really sick to see those on the left want to donate organs etc to keep her alive. They don't care about her as a person, just as a tool for their own ends)

  • EscherEnigma||

    Now, if they wanted to sell organs to keep her alive, libertarians/Libertarians would be all over that. But donate? Simply ghastly!

  • esteve7||

    I would choose a kid with cancer over giving organs to an 80+ year old

  • Sevo||

    EscherEnigma|1.10.19 @ 2:28PM|#
    "Now, if they wanted to sell organs to keep her alive, libertarians/Libertarians would be all over that. But donate? Simply ghastly!"

    Lefties don't care about organs, just mass murder, right?

  • EscherEnigma||

    Honestly, I don't really care about this topic at all. I just think it's hilarious that after another article about how people should be able to sell organs someone pops up feeling "sick" because someone wants to donate one.

  • ||

    Now, if they wanted to sell organs to keep her alive, libertarians/Libertarians would be all over that. But donate? Simply ghastly!

    "Let the peasants worry about overhead and transfer fees!" - EE

  • EscherEnigma||

    [citation needed]

  • ||

    Matt, not to sound all nit-pickish but your last article was about how you knew Trump was going to lie. Shouldn't your next article be one educating and highlighting where he lied?

    I kinda want to know and trust Reason with how they research and fact check because there's a lot of noise out there.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Welch cant show that, so he resorts to Reason M.O.

    Propaganda and lies.

    The Constitution gives the President some say in law making since a presidential signature is required or a 2/3 majority of both House of Congress is required.

    Trump keeps putting Lefties in 'Check' and they fucking hate it.

  • ||

    Be that as it may, Trump made some assertions. The two idiots who were *supposed* to refute those facts did nothing of the sort except stand there blathering on and become a meme.

    Pelosi was trying so hard to not slur, it was painful to watch. 'Here are the facts' and then said nothing.

    So Reason made their own claims and should back it up. It's all I'm saying.

    It's meant less as a criticism and more as an appeal to educate.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Pelosi was trying so hard to not slur, it was painful to watch. 'Here are the facts' and then said nothing.

    It would have been so easy to say, "Look, Trump is claiming that this wall is critical to maintain border security. He's wrong about that. Here are the statistics that give a clearer picture of where the money is already going, and how effective our security departments are in executing their mission." Give those numbers, then say, "An extra $3.5 billion for a wall will not enhance those measures that are already being successfully executed. We're happy to provide $1.5 billion, or $2 billion for more manpower and equipment, but a wall will not improve that nor help the economy. What will help the economy is getting our government employees back to work, so that our national parks and historic sites are properly maintained, taxpayers can receive their tax refunds, etc."

    Something like that puts the pressure back on Trump, because you've laid out a factual basis for your argument, and have even given him a baseline from which you're willing to negotiate.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    What did we get? "This wall is immoral and wrong." That's not an empirical statement, it's a value judgement, and it was guaranteed to get Trump to dig in his heels. Maybe they thought he'd buckle by now, but he's proving far more resilient about this than they apparently expected (maybe they thought he'd fold on this like he did the Obamacare repeal fiasco), which shouldn't have surprised them because it was the keystone of his campaign. Except for the usual suspects like Murkowski, even the Republicans don't seem to be all that nervous about carrying this on, at least for the time being--and why not? The House passed a bill before the shutdown that would have kept the government funded.

  • ||

    I agree. 'Immoral' and 'cruel' are just as you state, value judgments. It was condescending too.

    Moreover, you can't just say 'it's manufactured'. You have to demonstrate how and why. The statistics, as far as I can tell, clearly show there's an issue. How and to what degree one wants to make of it is up for debate. If there wasn't a problem, why has every President since Reagan and both parties discuss it? Seems to me it's a question of will and as you can see, it's possible no one really wanted to dig their heels into it other than pay lip service to it.

    That's why - other than Dalmia - I'd like Reason to present a coherent, dispassionate and REASONED article on it.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    "The House passed a bill before the shutdown that would have kept the government funded."

    Indeed. And, as you probably know, the ACA was a revenue bill that originated in the Senate; They took a dead House bill, (It wasn't even a revenue bill.) and amended away everything but the "HR" number.

    Is there actually a hard and fast rule that says that today's Senate can't take a bill that passed the House last year, and hold a vote on it? If they passed it without any amendments, it wouldn't even require another vote in the House. Just pass it, and send it to the President.

    It would certainly create some legal fun, wouldn't it?

  • ||

    It's meant less as a criticism and more as an appeal to educate.

    Yeah, there was a time when Reason was between good and OK about this. There's a video out there somewhere of Nick breaking down TARP spending. Now, the closest we get is Remy comedically depicting Obama's concessions to Russia in an awkward light.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    Bookies paid those who wager on the "over" proposition with respect to Trump's lies during the Oval Office address. I can't remember whether the line was 3.5 or 4.5, but those who bet on Trump to lie frequently won.

  • Sevo||

    Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland|1.10.19 @ 5:28PM|#
    "Bookies paid those who wager on the "over" proposition with respect to Trump's lies during the Oval Office address. I can't remember whether the line was 3.5 or 4.5, but those who bet on Trump to lie frequently won."

    Commenters who expect assholery from the asshole rev are never disappointed.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    Carry on, clingers.

    Watching Trump carry his band of gullible, downscale, right-wing malcontents into political irrelevance is entertaining, but the important point is that liberal-libertarian preferences were destined to prevail in America anyway. There just aren't enough half-educated bigots in America to change the trajectory of our national progress.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    There just aren't enough half-educated bigots in America

    There are, however, plenty of ill-bred hicklibs.

  • BigT||

    "Bookies paid those who wager on the "over" proposition with respect to Trump's lies during the Oval Office address."

    Citation, or it's pure bs.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    The dems could work with republicans to create veto proof legislation. Then Trumps signature isn't needed.

    But the dems want to pretend they have a principle they are trying to stick to. But they would rather play the resist Trump at every turn and blame Trump for it.

  • ||

    The last thing they want is Trump *winning* on this issue. Could you imagine?

    Also, as I mentioned elsewhere they should make the wall made of bricks and use slave and/or orphan labor.

    Then, when that's done, add flashy lights, install 'Trump Did This' signs, and turn it into 42nd street c. 1974.

    That's one way to get Mexicans to pay for it.

  • EscherEnigma||

    So you're just going to skip-over the fact that last year, when Republicans controlled both the House and Senate, that they still weren't able to draft legislation that Trump would sign?

    If Trump's own party can't compromise with him, I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect the opposition party to be any better at compromising with him.

  • wearingit||

    They'll also conveniently ignore that the Dems passed the same bill that passed 100-0 in the Senate a few weeks ago.

    Facts don't matter to the idiots on this board.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    It's tempting to tell Republicans what they should be doing, as if some of them might do the right thing. But I'm afraid the party might be beyond saving. With the decent, patriotic Republicans like McCain and Bush Sr. passing on and the alt-right Russian puppet faction in control, we must conclude that There's really no other way to put it: The GOP has become a party of traitors.

    #TrumpRussia
    #PatrioticAmericansMustVoteDemocrat

  • HeteroPatriarch||

    If house Democrats pass a bill to end federal drug prohibition in the next two years I will vote for them in 2020. Otherwise what positions do they have I'm common with libertarians? They want higher taxes, more government oversight of speech, healthcare and technology and the abolition of the right to self defense. If you weren't some pathetic useless troll you might come up with actual persuasive arguments instead of whatever talking points are hot on Reddit.

  • ||

    If house Democrats pass a bill to end federal drug prohibition in the next two years I will vote for them in 2020.

    Sure, they might be more inclined to legalize it, but you know they're just going to tax the hell out of it just as bad as any GOP drug warrior would enforce a ban.

    Finally! A chance to play the disingenuous 'pox on both houses' card!

  • Hoodnick||

    You call yourself a liberaltarian and vote Democrat with there march to socialism. Is this a joke? or are you a liberaltarian?

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    vote Democrat with there march to socialism

    The consequence of backwater religious schooling, or the product of a discount Russian-to-English translator?

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    The consequence of hicklib self-loathing.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    Yes, he's a joke. Somewhat more subtle a joke than the Rev, though.

  • Horatio Cornblower||

    Two more notches on OBL's bedpost. Well done, sir or ma'am. Well done.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The legislative branch is failing its basic constitutional duties, out of cowardly fear of a blustery president.

    You really are a Lefty twerp aren't you Welch?

    Congress used to be part-time. Them not working is not necessarily a bad thing.

    Trump has lefties by the short hairs and everyone knows it. Letting Democrats off the hook is what has sent the USA down a spiral of Socialism this past 100 years.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    Welchie Boy is one of the biggest lying con artists you'll ever see in your life.

  • BigT||

    No. This is hyperbolic.

    Welch has libertarian leanings, but must virtue signal to keep his French wife from castrating him. Only KMW is a true libertarian at Reason, who is not caught up in showing her virtue. She needs to purge the squishy ones.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    Trump has lefties by the short hairs and everyone knows it.

    LOL

    If you're embarrassed about your "Red Wave" prediction failing to materialize, just wait until 2020. Democrats are going to have their best showing in decades. Drumpf will destroy the Republican Party for at least a generation.

  • TuIpa||

    Pay your bet.

  • DesigNate||

    There's no way that OBL is shriek. He's just not bright enough to pull this kind of parody off.

  • Mithrandir||

    It's hilarious how dumb you are Tulpa

  • Vulgar Madman||

    "Poking the bear" is why Trump is even possible.
    Go ahead, do it some more.

  • Lester224||

    Not a peep from a libertarian. Nobody here but the MAGA bunch.

  • Ryan (formally HFTO)||

    Libertarians like Welch?

    "Please Neoncons, reopen the government, we miss you so" - "Libertarians?"

  • Tony||

    Whoever floated the emergency declaration thing is the real hero. Trump can reopen government while pretending to fight for his wall while the courts inevitably slap him back.

  • Agammamon||

    Why do we need the government 're-opened'. Only 'non-essential' services have been shut down. All the essential stuff is still up and running.

    And if its non-essential then why do we need to start that up again when its becoming obvious that we can do just fine without it?

  • Tony||

    Okay, let's keep not paying air traffic controllers while requiring them to work anyway, and then you get on an airplane. Stop being a child.

  • Sevo||

    Tony|1.10.19 @ 3:32PM|#
    "...Stop being a child."

    This from the infantile scumbag who keeps hoping mommy will take care of him!
    Sorry to see you're still around. I had hopes you died.

  • Tony||

    I had the flu. *Coughs on you*

  • Sevo||

    Sorry it wasn't fatal.

  • Mithrandir||

    You're a terribly sad, angry, and confused old man Sevo.

    From someone who hates Tony's brand of bullshit socialism.

  • Ron||

    let the airports pay their traffic controllers directly, and screw the TSA just because they may quit doesn't mean planes can't fly and why the hell are beer breweries worried about government approval of labels. when the government doesn't work like during the shut down its up to the people to continue on their own and sell their dam beer any way they please. We've become a nation of appeasers to our own government and are too afraid to work when its not around. the nations founders are rolling in their graves

  • Tony||

    When the nation's founders were thinking about "property," they were thinking largely about "black humans." Who gives a fuck what they think.

  • TuIpa||

    More than give a fuck what you think, so you lose.

  • ||

    When the nation's founders were thinking about "property," they were thinking largely about "black humans." Who gives a fuck what they think.

    2/5 isn't 'largely' by just about any definition.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    That lie was created exactly to have an excuse for not caring what they think.

  • DesigNate||

    Why are ATC's federal employees? And if air travel and shipping would stop without them (not arguing it wouldn't), why are they considered "non-essential"?

  • Azathoth!!||

    They ARE poking the bear, Matt.

    The giant, corpulent Bear that is the left.

    Normally, by this point they'd have caved and we'd be in the 'making excuses for giving the Democrats everything they want phase' while the media went monkey on President Literally Hitler.

    I only hope the ol' turtle has the balls to stick it out.

  • ||

    Normally, by this point they'd have caved and we'd be in the 'making excuses for giving the Democrats everything they want phase' while the media went monkey on President Literally Hitler.

    Giving them everything they want in order to avoid being portrayed as obstructionist morons.

  • BigT||

    "The giant, corpulent Bear that is the left."

    No, the leftists are hyenas.

  • Echospinner||

    What is the rush? No big deal with the shutdown and I just found out they are opening a Chick-fil-a down the street. So life is good.

    More worried about the dumb trade war. Whatever deals they make with China the markets need to settle down.

  • TLBD||

    Matt Welch is barely trying to hide his love for progressives and his Koch funded paycheck.

    Illegal immigration is designed to do two things:

    Breed votes for Democrats.

    Drive down wages for COC republicans/koch libertarians.

    This is why Reason is propagandizing for it. Anyone who thinks this rag is actually a libertarian magazine is retarded.

  • Tony||

    Obviously you can't be a libertarian if you're not for spending billions of taxpayer dollars for useless boondoggles with the intent, but not the effect, of restricting the freedom of individuals.

    "Individuals should be as free as possible until they vote for Democrats, at which point lock 'em up!" --Libertarian 101

  • John||

    Everyone needs the freedom to be forced to bake gay wedding cakes.

  • Tony||

    For someone who hates gays so much you sure do let certain sticks get wedged way up in your ass.

    Do you think the job you do is optional, or do you think you should get to pick and choose which tasks based on your personal preferences?

  • John||

    Yes Tony, every gay has a right to put their foot on any face they like. The love of being an oppressive nasty fuck is why you are gay. I doubt you even like men at all.

  • Tony||

    Yes, being one of the most oppressed minorities in the history of the world is the real *in( to being a power-hungry madman. You figured out the clever ruse.

  • ||

    Neither the 'most', 'oppressed', 'minority', or 'in history' is accurate. At worst, gays are an 'also sometimes oppressed minority'.

  • Dillinger||

    and freed by Tom Hanks in 1992

  • TuIpa||

    Gay cake guy owned the place.

  • ||

    I'm gonna have to ask you to produce proof when he said he hates gays.

  • TLBD||

    Seeing as Democrats are unabashedly anti-liberty, there is no excuse in supporting them from a libertarian perspective. Zero.

    As far as border security, that is one thing any libertarian that isn't really an anarchist has no real issue with the government doing.

  • Tony||

    They're anti-liberty because they start wars based on lies and not pay for them? Torture people without trial? Cage children of refugees? Promote maximum police brutality? Oh no, that's not Democrats. Democrats just want to raise taxes a little bit on billionaires. Billionaires not being taxed--the one liberty to rule them all.

  • TLBD||

    Lol that you think Democrats dont do the first things.

    If you were really about taxing billionaires, you wouldn't be taxing income, you'd be taxing wealth. Income is how upper middle class people compete with billionaires.

    You are so fucking stupid you advocate policies that protect billionaire hegemony. It would be hilarious if it weren't so evil.

  • Tony||

    You think I don't want to tax wealth?

  • TLBD||

    Prove it. All you fuckwits on the left advocate income tax. Why? Because you are bought and paid for, you're just too stupid to realize it.

  • Tony||

    You still haven't made a case for the Republican party.

  • TLBD||

    I'm not making a case for the Republican party., dipshit.

  • TuIpa||

    No one is trying to make a case for the R's, but your stunted world view can't manage the consequences of that.

  • TuIpa||

    "They're anti-liberty because they start wars based on lies and not pay for them? Torture people without trial? Cage children of refugees? Promote maximum police brutality? Oh no, that's not Democrats"

    Um, yeah actually it is.

  • Tony||

    You don't realize by making such absurd false equivalencies you are doing what you just denied doing: defending Republicans like a little bitch.

  • DesigNate||

    They've literally done all of those things, some of them were done by the last fucking president.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    I don't remember if Obama tortured people without trial. But he did order the execution of U.S.citizens without trial. Pretty sure FDR and Johnson did. Not that I want to split hairs. But as for the rest of it actual Democrats did all of those things and will again. Tony's fantasy Democrats however are blameless.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    Right-wing bigots are among my favorite faux libertarians.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    As are far-left hicklibs.

  • KBeckman||

    Anyone who thinks illegal immigration is an actual issue isn't libertarian.

  • BigT||

    OBL, is that you? If not, this douche is horning in on your gig.

  • John||

    REpublicans need to grow a spine and surrender to the Democrats' demands. Freedom is slavery!!

    Can someone over at Salon just give Welch a freaking job offer so he can move on and someone else can occupy the "Dave Weigal Chair for Auditioning for a Major Media Job by pretending to be Libertarian" in Welch's place?

  • Dillinger||

    shhhhhh. every day those knuckleheads don't vote to spend more of our goddam money is a good day. let them vacay forever.

  • Ron||

    they have always had that option of over riding the president but thats not their goal the goal is to stretch this out as long as possible to make everyone look like the other team is bad. It works both ways and thats why I've been telling my friends this is all political theater wether your for or against a wall

  • Truthteller1||

    Thought I was reading a hit piece on msnbc. Complete blather.

  • Rich||

    Have the House and Senate hash out a spending bill, send that bill to the president, and if he vetoes it, they can override, or not.

    Sheesh, Matt -- next you'll be having congress *declare war*.

  • Outofpatience||

    Criticizing the Senate for not pushing a vote when politics has been a team sport for a decade now is a bit short-sighted and an unfair criticism to level only at Republicans. Virtually no politician votes their conscience. Why not point out the inconsistency of the Dems, who all talked about border security on the campaign trail, but now contend it's immoral since someone on the other team is pushing that agenda?

    Also, at its root, I can understand the libertarian pro-immigration stance. However, this isn't a libertarian political system. The U.S. welfare state looks like it may only get bigger. Letting illegal immigration continue unabated is MORE against the ideal than not. One study quoted an estimated $18.5 billion was spent on subsidized healthcare for illegal aliens in 2016, $11.2 billion coming from federal tax payers, some coming from cost-shifting (see the girl in San Fran who broker her arm), but we shouldn't hold out for $5.7 billion one time to try and stop the bleeding? The drugs will come, fine. There will still be people flying here, fine. Maybe you only save $1 billion a year in social benefits and welfare - still sounds worth it to me.

    Get your head out of the clouds. Gotta play the cards we're dealt and the game the dealer called.

  • Dizzle||

    You hear that line about the drugs not stopping as long as there's customers... Where are the majority of these drugs, specifically cocaine, going?

    I think the real reason the dems are so anti-wall, anti border protection, is because their friends in la, Chicago, dc, and nyc dont want their blow prices skyrocketing

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Good point. Fair trade locally grown and produced illegal drugs would cost much more, because the producers will have to pay American wages for the industry all the way through the supply chain. The silver lining is no more funding for the cartels in Central America that cannot deliver anymore, which means no money for their weapons and salaries for fighters, which means no need to flee one's homeland, which means...

    OK, I can see the reason to let refugees enter and apply for asylum, but switching from foreign to domestic production in this case is the moral thing to do.

  • Echospinner||

    I have been seeing articles about the legal pot industry. They are still having a hard time competing with the black market trade. So it might not make all that much difference.

  • posmoo||

    I have never met a libertarian that doesn't welcome a government shutdown because it illustrates the lie that that massive apparatus is even necessary like no argument ever could. Here Welch complains about gridlock (and shutdown), which no libertarian and rarely even conservatives has ever complained about. When is Reason going to replace these progressives on staff with minarchists or anarchos? Heck, even a conservative would be an improvement over these .

  • Brett Bellmore||

    They're more likely to replace the progressives on their staff with outright Marxists, than minarchists. They've been overtaken by the march through the institutions, and the purge has been going on for several years.

  • Cranedoc||

    Trump has nothing to lose by sticking to his guns. People who hate him will still hate him. His base will support the move and blame all negatives on #resisting Democrats.
    It might take until the welfare stops rolling in and EBT cards no longer have money, but the democrats will capitulate.

  • Trigger Warning||

    Why would they capitulate? They have nothing to gain.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Food. What part of EBT cards didn't you understand?

  • Trigger Warning||

    The part where taking away people's food causes them to vote for the party that took it away.

  • EscherEnigma||

    I think sharmota4zeb believes that current Democrat voters who are on food stamps would blame Democrats for the shutdown, and thus change to being Republican voters.

    This is inconsistent with both polling, history, and social sciences, all of which say that the majority of folks are likely to entrench their views rather then change them.

    That is, Republican voters on welfare will blame Democrats, Democrat voters on welfare will blame Republicans.

    So I can see why sharmota4zeb would want to have his belief, but there's no real support for it. This kind of political stunt doesn't do much.

  • Nardz||

    As more and more clips of D leaders, in some cases the very same ones #resisting now, advocating for border walls/fencing/barriers make the airwaves (even if it's only Fox News), it will be harder and harder for the Ds to avoid responsiblity for the shutdown.
    They don't have anything to stand on, certainly not fiscal responsibility (as they just voted for $10 billion in foreign aid), which is why they've jumped straight to the last recourse of losing arguments: racism, immorality, complete denial of any issue.
    The Ds will cave because they have to cave - they're the ones who worship Government

  • Echospinner||

    So it's pretty much government as usual.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    It's not even going to be FOX news; Murdock's kids have taken over the reins, and are in the process of making FOX part of the left wing media.

  • Trigger Warning||

    When did Graham ever have anybody's respect?

  • sharmota4zeb||

    As a simple matter of strategy, consider this:

    The government shut down happened when the Democrats took the house. Which loyal voters will be affected the most by a government shut down? What will they remember about it 2 years from now?

  • EscherEnigma||

    You're right, but if those voters were more honest, they would realize that a Republican-controlled house and senate couldn't pass a budget that President Trump would sign either.

    Fact is, Republicans in office don't actually want the wall, and couldn't compromise with Trump. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Democrats can't compromise with him either.

  • DesigNate||

    Losing less seats in the House then the two or three previous presidents and actually picking up seats in the Senate is a very strange way to rebuke the orange julius.

  • Sevo||

    Fuck off, Hihn.

  • Trigger Warning||

    What is it with you and the parentheticals? You write like Mary Stack.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihnsano still assmad that I owned him like Kunta Kinte on gun control.

  • Echospinner||

    The shutdown is the best thing Trump has done since he was elected.

    I hope it continues.

    As far as the workers same thing happens to us. You lose a job because sales are down, company lost business and is downsizing, all kinds of reasons, happens all the time. Sucks when it does but you move on. Being government does not make you special.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    +100

    Its almost impossible to fire federal workers, so this shutdown causing thousands of them to quit is just another example of how Trump has "checked" the Lefties and their federal employee political donors.

  • BigT||

    Good point! If thousands of non essentials quit, Trump will have shrunken the leviathan with Donkey help. Genius!!

  • tlapp||

    And you may get a little severance, the government workers will get full pay for the days they were closed and their jobs back. Hardly a catastrophe.

  • BigT||

    "Until Senate Republicans rediscover their tongues, let alone spines, their claim to "constitutional conservatism" should be greeted with hoots of laughter. This is our system. We should follow it."

    Yes we should use the system. Why Welch thinks The Heffalumps will over-ride Trump shows his TDS. Recall, Matt, that this is a Party, and Trump swings the biggest dick therein. Rather, they should be crafting bills that Trump will sign, I.e. work together.

    I don't recall whether Matt equally excoriated the Donkeys on the Obamacare film flam. Anyone?

  • tlapp||

    Amash is correct but an article in Reason siding with Corker and Romney? The establishment lovers of ever bigger government including Romney never waivering for his support of an individual mandate for healthcare? We need more allies for Amash, Romney and Corker ain't it.

  • Kristian H.||

    From "A Shutdown Story" by Michael Moore.

    Raphie: What do you want for Christmas, Dad.
    The Old Man: Looking wistfully into the distance: A republican with a spine.
    Ralphie: Hahah. Good one, dad.

  • ValVerde1867||

    The RINO party is done anyway. It is as useless as the liberal Dems.

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