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New Gun Control Bill Encourages Financial Institutions to Report 'Suspicious' Firearm Transactions

You might want to think twice about putting that new gun on your credit card.

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A new gun control bill calls for banks and credit card companies to track and provide transaction data to the feds on some firearm purchases as a way of tracking people who the government suspects might be planning mass shootings.

Rep. Jennifer Wexton's (D–Va.) "Gun Violence Prevention Through Financial Intelligence Act" would require the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) to "request information from financial institutions for the purpose of developing an advisory about the identification and reporting of suspicious activity." The bill's aim is to identify a consistent purchasing pattern among people who buy firearms and firearm accessories in order to conduct "lone wolf acts of terror" and expose how the firearms market in the United States is exploited by would-be mass shooters.

"Banks, credit card companies, and retailers have unique insight into the behavior and purchasing patterns that can help identify and prevent mass shootings," Wexton explained in a statement. "The red flags are there—someone just needs to be paying attention."

The New York Times reports that Wexton's bill was inspired in part by Times columnist Andrew Ross Sorkin's 2018 investigation on several mass shootings that have happened since the Virginia Tech shooting in 2007. Sorkin's work revealed that in at least eight of the 13 mass shootings that killed 10 or more people within that time span, the perpetrators used credit cards to finance their killing sprees. James Holmes, who killed 12 people at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, used a credit card to purchase more than $11,000 worth of guns, grenades, and other military gear prior to his rampage. Omar Mateen, the Pulse nightclub shooter in Orlando, Florida, ran up $26,532 in charges across six credit card accounts in the 12 days leading up to his attack.

Wexton's bill assumes it's possible to tell who is a threat based on tracking credit card activity. Unfortunately, government's past attempts to identify "red flags" by analyzing transaction data has resulted in, as Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown puts it, banks "cast[ing] as wide a net as possible," when deciding what activity gets reported. Banks fear the consequences of being accused of not doing enough to comply with reporting laws and requests. Brown notes that banks' attempts to monitor customers' transaction data in order to identify human traffickers for the government have resulted in the creation of an extremely broad definition of what constitutes suspicious activity, including things like running up large grocery bills and renting DVDs in bulk.

Almost half of gun owners report owning at least four guns, which makes it relatively easy to see how any gun owner could come under suspicion should the government deputize financial institutions to monitor "suspicious" gun transaction patterns. There is no way to determine whether or not someone is spending a lot of money on guns to commit a crime or just because they like them since the transactions are identical on paper. Spending a lot at a gun store might be less unusual than Wexton seems to think.

Wexton also acknowledges that "historically, retail-level purchase information…has been hard to obtain" and that the effectiveness of the advisory would be largely dependent upon the willingness of merchants to share information on "specific firearms products and accessories."

Representatives from both Visa and Mastercard did not respond to Reason's request for comment on Wexton's current bill. But both companies have expressed reservations in the past about, as Visa spokesperson Amanda Pires told the Times last year, "setting restrictions on the sale of lawful goods or services."

Pires also noted that "asking Visa or other payment networks to arbitrate what legal goods can be purchased sets a dangerous precedent."

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  1. Let me guess: buying a gun with cash will also be deemed “suspicious”.

    These assholes are so predictable.

    1. Are you kidding? It would be even more suspicious. Who pays with money these days except people who are trying to hide what they buy, and if you aren’t doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to hide! #proggielogic

      1. > if you aren’t doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to hide! #proggielogic

        If that’s proggie logic, then they borrowed it from the right, as it was the right that first came up with that idea. The right applied to every privacy invading measure they ever backed. If you haven’t done anything wrong, then you have nothing to hide!

        1. It’s almost like you remember the Bush era!

          1. Being an R doesn’t prevent someone from being a progressive.
            See: W, Romney, McCain, etc

            1. I guess Mnuchin is a progressive?

            2. Being an R doesn’t prevent someone from being a progressive.

              Teddy Rooosevelt was the original progressive president.

          2. Oh, please, as if Bush started that. As if politicians of all Parties have not invoked that stupidity for hundreds of years.

        2. If that’s proggie logic, then they borrowed it from the right,

          YES. Exactly! They are the ones that set up and continue to support the extensive AML system that enforces this kind of surveillance (just have a look at Mnuchin’s statements on it). They’re just shocked now that it can be used against them, too.

          1. They’re just shocked now that it can be used against them, too.
            I remember that some of us tried to warn them it would happen. They just laughed.

      2. Randy Moss said it best, when asked how he was going to pay a fine:

        Straight cash, homey

      3. how about someone who was forced into bankruptcy and HAS no credit cards, nor can they get any? Had to sell off most of their guns, or forefit to the trustee, and now things are sorting out wants to get a couple…..

        Or how about the Mom n Pop hock shop who have wearied of paying all the credit card processing fees and decided to go cash……. one legitimate business model.

        The problem with this way of gummit “thinking’ is that no matter HOW the law is written it will end bup implicating MANY who are just going about their business as they have for years. Government do NOT exist to manufacture criminals, or even suspicion. Who CARES what colour is my toilet roll>

    2. Buying with cash will now be illegal since it is proof that you are trying to avoid the reporting of the activity. The government has already done this for those who make financial transactions under the $10,000 reporting limit.

    3. I recently tried to deposit some money in my daughters account, in cash, so it would be immediately available.

      No can do; you guessed it, against federal regs. Have to use a check or such instrument that can be tracked.

      1. Your problem? SHE is obviosuly female, you pbviously male.

        Have any random female show up at a branch other than her home branch,fill out a deposit ticket with her name and account number, step up to the wicket, hand it accross, shut up and wait for it to be processed. I have one account I use for a drop account, then sweep it to a working account right away. No problem.

  2. So we’re getting around not having a federal gun registry by having a defacto federal gun registry?

    1. We already have a defacto federal gun registry. What do you think happens when the guy behind the counter calls the FBI to do a background check when you make a purchase?

      1. Highly dedicated professionals perform their duties with the utmost discretion and then destroy the records?

      2. Same thing that happens to VA doctor appointments?

      3. Who buys guns at gun stores anymore?

        Plus, gun store background checks only log one of the weapons not all of the weapons that you buys during that transaction.

        1. I’ve purchased three at gun stores. Springfield recently came out with a relatively compact, single-stack, DA/SA pistol. I’m a hammer guy, and the fellow behind the counter ordered it just for me before I even knew it existed. I came in for some ammo and he’s like “Dude, check this out!” And I bought it.

          https://www.springfield-armory.com/products/xd-e-3-3-single-stack-9mm/

          Can’t hit shit with it. Always low and left. (I know it’s me, not the gun) But it’s easy to hide and more powerful than a .22 or .380. If I need to use it marksmanship will be the least of my worries.

          1. Put some good ammo in there and that seems small enough to work as a CCW.

            FYI: That video shows the barrel bounce around a lot while the slide is going back during round ejection and rechambering. Glock is like that. Also even the guys shooting it are off target after each round. Sometimes that indicates poor weapon design and sometimes its people who dont have a good grip on the weapon.

            1. Barrel bounce? John Brownings Hi-Power does the same thing…by design. If you want to drive tacks then get a long barrel revolver and a rest.

              1. Some people just dont value accuracy, I guess.

                I prefer to end shootouts with others with a single bullet.

                1. When I was practicing regularly I was a dead-eye with my Model 10.

                  Love that gun.

              2. cravinbob, that’s nonsense. Sure, any handgun will lift the barrel.. you are holding it with your hand below the axis of the barrel, thus there is a lever between the point where the bullit exits and the thing you are using to hold it.

                But a solid metal frame handgun will be far more contollable, as there is a lot more mass for the round to push back against.

                My first handgun was a Springfield XD 9. Miserable punishing thing to shoot. Someone put a high power in my hands….. the XD found a new home and several BHP’s found MY home.

                Or take the Kahr line… the K 40 and P 40 are identical in size and shape, but the K, being all SS, is far more manageable than the Plastic version, same barrel length,same round. I’d not have the plastic frame versions, but carried the K for years. Decided the single stack wasn’t quite what I wanted, so its back to the HHP.
                Sure, the muzzle lifts a bit, but with proper grip it comes right back down just lie a rifle with a properly adjusted support sling.

          2. My brother-in-law refers to these as “bad breath” guns. As in they’re effective at the same ranges that bad breath is.

            I’m actually looking for a small single stack 9mm right now, although I prefer striker-fired pistols for concealed carry purposes.

            1. i tried multiple ‘mouse’ guns until i settled on the Glock 43.

              Which is not to say i’m recommending the G43, rather i’m recommending rent or borrow anything you think might work for you until you find the right one.

              1. Yeah I have a Glock 19 already, I just want something I could potentially pocket carry, and maybe something not a Glock just for variety sake.

                I’ve read mixed things about the 43 in pocket carry scenarios, some people saying it’s too big for normal jean pockets. Have you tried to pocket carry yours?

                I’ll certainly be trying a few options before buying anything.

              2. Beretta 84B w/ Pachmayr grips, doublestacked w/ 13 rounds of BAT 9mmK ammo.

                1. Who needs a registry when everyone talks about their guns online. that said with practice you can get out to 25 yards with small guns. Now lets talk registries. California now tracks all ammo purchases. I no longer buy ammo for my legally owned guns that the state does not know about or I will be purchasing duplicate guns, its always good to have more than one of each

                  1. Who doesnt use VPNs, Tor, alter egos, and other tools to hide one’s superhero identity?

          3. Low and left; most often due to jerking the trigger [very common]; dry some dry firing and that should help you see what is happening and correct it. Also use a good two handed grip.

            1. It’s only with that pistol. I think it’s because it’s so thin. I do practice dry firing but I still flinch a bit when it’s got live ammo. Practice. Though not when it’s 20 degrees outside.

              1. try dry firing with a penny or nickle flat on the end of the barrel and try to keep it there through multiple shots.that helped me a lot

                1. have a friend help you with the old “Ball and Dummy” drill. (no, YOU are not the dummy….)
                  Friend has two mags….. one with one live round, the other with one snap cap.

                  Hand him the pistol, have him pop one of the mags in the well, then rack the slide, then hand it back. You have no idea whether its going to say click or BANG. Have him watch, from the safe side, the barrel as you SQEEEEEEEEZE that trigger. The barrel WILL lift of the gun says BANG. It should not move one nanometer when it says click.
                  Keep at it, perhaps multiple sessions, until you break that trigger and impart NO motion to the gun as you do so.
                  Learn proper trigger motion, too. The pad near the end of your T finger should rest in the lever of the trigger almost at the bottom. WHen you draw that finger back to break the shot, flex NOT from the uppermost joint, where the finger meets the hand. That imparts sideways motion, pulling the shot to the left for right handed shooters. Flex from the second joint so that you draw the last section straight backward. Do that slowly and steadily until the shot breaks, almost a surprise. If the rounds persistently hit low, you are “bucking”, anticipating the recoil of the gun and pushihg it forward into the shot. STOP IT~!!!!.

                  A few sessions with the Ball and Dumy drill, well run by a helpful fried, should cure it all, IF your grip is decent.

        2. Nope. ALL the weapons being bought, up to a max of five, go onto the 4473. The caller is required to give details about every one of them.
          It is NOT a “backgorund check” it is a perission to buy EACH of those guns. A background check SHOULD be about the person doing the purchasing.

  3. A massive domestic spying initiative… but for the children.

    1. And we “pretend” to be surprised that the Democrats overwhelmingly support the Patriot act.

    2. No different from the other AML initiatives, except in the specific target.

      1. Of course, and we were against those too. We warned of this shit in the 90s during the Know Your Customer Banking Laws, but did anyone listen? Nooo.

        It’s also why the concept of an income tax is immoral. It begets a massive domestic spying regimen.

        1. It’s also why the concept of an income tax is immoral. It begets a massive domestic spying regimen.

          Yep, for that reason alone it is one of the worst possible tax regimes.

  4. Well, when so many people seem okay that the government wants to know each phone call they make, each post they make to social media, and every email they send or receive, why should we be surprised that the government wants to know each and every item we purchase?

  5. New Gun Control Bill Encourages Financial Institutions to Report ‘Suspicious’ Firearm Transactions

    Seems like Visa/MC is pretty reluctant to start prosecuting its own customers for legal actions. Should be interesting to see how the whole Title IX idea works out when the people in charge of your kangaroo courts are between dubious and outright hostile to your ends.

    1. Yeah, but money service businesses, thanks to the War on Drugs/Terror/Whatever is scary today have to rat out their customers by law.

  6. Hmm…. maybe I will have some fun. I am an avid gardener as well as a re-loader of ammunition. Perhaps I should go out and purchase (in small quantities from several vendors), about 1000lbs of fertilizer, about fifty pounds of smokeless gunpowder, and some diesel (for my tractor, of course). Then, to top it off, I will rent a U-haul truck … just for kicks. (Well, it WOULD be fun to screw with the “authorities, I must admit.)

    1. It’s all fun and games until SWAT breaks down your door and shoots your dog.

      1. Yep. Unfortunately for SWAT, I don’t have a dog. Good luck to them trying to hit any of my nine crazed cats.

        1. Nine? Fuck. I’ve got two (thanks to a divorce) and that’s two too many.

          1. Don’t get me wrong. I love pussy. But they shit and shed and shit and shed…. And don’t get me going on cats.

              1. One of my cats is deaf. He’s a good boy, but he’d be toast if he went outside. Feline pancake. Coyote food. Whatever. He’d be dead. Already lost a cat to coyotes. Christmas Eve. Cat didn’t come back that night. Next morning found a bloody, trampled spot of snow with a lot of cat fur. Was a fair amount of coyote fur as well, so he didn’t go down without a fight. Followed the trail to another spot further from the house. There were too many tracks going in an out of the woods to count. And lots of blood. Seems that lots of wild dogs got a mouthful.

                I wasn’t sad. That cat was mean. Good riddance. But I will be sad when the deaf one dies.

                1. It’s always sad to lose a pet. Over the years I have had, and lost, cats, dogs, goats, horses, chickens, ducks, and a pot-bellied pig.

              2. mine STAYS outside. I don’t even have to feed it.

          2. Nine cats is a low point for us. Yes, We have a sizeable house. The cats have their own wing when we don’t want them stalking us for treats.

            1. Isn’t that expensive? I’ve only got two indoor cats. Food and litter add up quick. Nine? Fuck….

              1. Yep. With vet bills and all, it can add up. Between cats, my wife’s art supplies, my model railroad and penchant for acquiring stringed instruments, and our time at the shooting range, we have a fair share of moderately-expensive hobbies. But hey, you can’t it with you, right?

      2. ……”or just shoots him.” Winning a wrongful death suit for a couple million dollars isn’t too enjoyable when you are the dead one.

        1. Unless you are a Ferengi, I think that might count for your afterlife.

  7. A new gun control bill calls for banks and credit card companies to track and provide transaction data to the feds on some firearm purchases as a way of tracking people who the government suspects might be planning mass shootings.

    Whomever buys weapons and ammo via anything but cash is asking to be on more government lists than they already are for agreeing to a background check.

    Buy weapons and ammo via cash and with private parties. If you must use gun dealers, pay in cash and buy multiple weapons. Background checks are per transaction not per weapon. In other words, the government would only know that you bought a certain weapon at a dealer when you actually purchased 10 guns.

      1. Seriously. Check it out the firearms section. All cash transactions or trades. Can find some great deals with enough patience. Not that it does your Southern ass any good.

    1. . If you must use gun dealers, pay in cash and buy multiple weapons.

      FYI, transactions over $10,000 in cash (or structured to be under) must still be reported to FinCEN.

      1. That is for deposits to a financial institutions.

        All business sales dont need to be reported to the FinCEN.

        The gun dealer can then decide how to deposit that cash.

        Anyone who follows those unconstitutional FinCEN laws is a moron. These agencies get their power from people being scared of them.

        I have received multiple letter from FinCEN about transaction “discrepancies”. I wrote in big letters FUCK YOU. I sent their letters back to them with a copy of the CATO pocket Constitution. Never heard back from them.

        I chock me being added to yet another government list. Who gives a fuck.

        1. Form 8300 is for cash transactions over $10,000, not just banking/money transmission: https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/fincen-announces-electronic-filing-form-8300

          Anyone who follows those unconstitutional FinCEN laws is a moron.

          I guess you can tell that to people in prison for money laundering. I’m glad you weren’t prosecuted, but it’s not a risk some people want to take (even if the law is unfair and unconstitutional).

          1. “Many businesses such as car dealers, boat dealers, and art and collectible merchants, sometimes deal in large amounts of cash. Each person who is engaged in a trade or business that, in the course of that trade or business, receives more than $10,000 in cash in one transaction or in two or more related transactions, must file Form 8300.”

            Yup. No federal statute that demands this. I would never file one of these on a customer. Fuck this agency.

            Freedom isn’t free. Sometimes you just have to tell a government agent to go fuck themselves.

            1. What about 31 USC 5331?

              https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5331

              That seems to specifically require it.

              Freedom isn’t free. Sometimes you just have to tell a government agent to go fuck themselves.

              Sure, then you spend the rest of your life in a concrete block isolated from anyone you care about while everyone else refers to you as a criminal.

            2. My point is, you’re not going to stop FinCEN reporting requirements by just not doing them. At best, they will overlook you because they don’t care. But they can always come for you. And you won’t be advancing the cause of liberty sitting in prison.

              1. I feel bad for you to be so scared of the government.

                I follow constitutional laws and ignore the unconstitutional laws.

                All Gun control is unconstitutional so I ignore all gun laws.
                All reporting laws are unconstitutional powers, so I ignore all reporting laws.
                All product bans are unconstitutional, so I ignore all prohibitions.
                ….

            3. Additionally, what you mention is NOT “money laundering”.

              18 U.S. Code § 1956. Laundering of monetary instruments

              Money laundering has this element of the crime that requires the money originate from unlawful purposes.

              In other words, “laddering” lawfully acquired funds is not illegal.

              1. Alright, IANAL so I’ll believe you that it’s not money laundering. But there are nonetheless criminal penalties for failing to report these transactions. And anyway, imagine this scenario: someone buys weapons from you in cash, you don’t report, and the person commits an armed robbery. Pretty sure you’re gonna be in deep shit, or at least have a good chance at it. You’ll do what you want, but I think it’s horrible advice to tell people to ignore these requirements when there are real consequences.

                I am being practical, that’s all.

                1. How is the government going to know that I sold a gun to someone when the transaction is 100% anonymous? I did nothing illegal by selling a gun to someone who later commits a crime. Thats like selling a car to someone who later runs someone over.

                  Some more advice is to know your constitutional rights, know what government can and cannot legally do, and stand up for your rights.

                  Freedom aint free. Sometimes standing up for what is right is hard.

    2. don’t forget, though, every 4473 has five lines for guns being purchased.. and every one of them listed gets recorded….. in the FFL’s book, AND because he MUST keep th 4473 for twenty years or until he closes his doors.

  8. This would also not be a problem if American held our government to the civil rights protections found in the 2nd amendment.

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    All gun control is unconstitutional.

    1. State’s Rights overrule the federal govt. unless a federal crime has been committed. And tyranny resides in your courts and has for a long time, they police, deputies and marshals all standing around waiting to take you the Greyhound bus. Those deputies are supposed to aide you and have power over police and the marshals but nobody has told them that.
      Read this : https://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

      1. in practice, the states tend to do what they please. HOWEVER SCOTUS have determined that that pesky Second Article of Ammendment IS incorporated to the states, AND to the individuals residing within them. Thus the RIGHT to arms is NOT subject to regulation, control, or other infringement at state or local level, let alone at Fed level. But every state seems to have their own ways of infringing, despite the plain meaning of the plain language in that Second.

        Anyone else remember a few years back when Montana decided to become a sort of sanctuary from Fed gun regs. Passed a new law, if a firearm is made inside the state, is sold inside the state, and remains inside the state there is NO requirement to comply with federal gun laws No BGC, no other limits as are imposed by FedGov. But FedGuv, being the nannie control freaks they are, said NOPE. You MUST comply with ALL fed laws. I believe they mostly knuckled.

  9. Almost half of gun owners report owning at least four guns

    Only four? Really? At a bare minimum you need a carry pistol, varmint rifle, deer rifle, and a shotgun. That’s the barest fucking minimum. I’ve got a rotating collection. I buy something, shoot it for a while, then trade it for something else plus or minus some cash. Got a P95 I will be trading out soon. Anyone in New England have something to trade? I’ll put some cash on top.

    1. Depends where you live/hunt. I live in the suburbs, so no need for a varmint rifle, and in IL you can only hunt deer with a shotgun, so no deer rifle either

      That said, I own more than four guns lol

      1. and in IL you can only hunt deer with a shotgun

        Seriously? What’s the point? I haven’t gotten a deer yet, but the last thing I’d want to do is pepper it with buckshot. Seems cruel. Rather use a .308 and get a clean kill. I don’t have much experience shooting slugs. I suppose that would work, but wouldn’t it destroy a lot of good meat? Talk about stupid laws.

        1. State is the 2nd flattest in the country – bullets travel a long way

          Reasonably high population density, even in rural areas. Most places its hard to get more than 1000ft away from a neighbor’s house.

          Buckshot is illegal, slugs only

          1. I suppose that makes sense. I live in a sparsely populated forest. Bullets don’t travel very far, and even if they did there wouldn’t be much to hit.

            1. Last I checked, these sorts of restrictions are common in midwest states.

              In Iowa we have more hills, and lower population density, but its still shotgun with slugs only. In the last year or two they’ve allowed certain pistol calibers to be used in rifles.

              Muzzle loaders and pistols (specific requirements of course) are permitted in most if not all midwest states as well, including IL.

              1. Interesting. I learned something new. Thanks.

    2. i go by the following rules:
      1 gun for each working arm in the house
      2 is 1

      plus a few backup backups just in case.

    3. HEY, “more than four” does NOT mean “only four”. “More than four” means somewhere between five and five hundred million.

  10. >>>Financial Crimes Enforcement Network

    the fuck? they get special rings?

  11. Well, thanks to everyone who, throughout the past several decades, set the precedent about financial surveillance. Sure, it starts out to catch “the bad guys,” but it always ends up eating you, too.

  12. The problem with this is that sooner or later, more sooner than later the government will want to go and collect all the guns and ammunition not only from the criminals but from every body that is not P C (to whichever party is in power at the moment). This is a great start to an dictatorship or a government like was in Germany and other states with dictatorial powers. Thus the power that be will be able stop an armed rebellion of concerned citizens because they will not have a means of protecting themselves.
    Maybe it is getting time for the soil of freedom to be fertilized with the blood of freedom fighters.

  13. I live in Jennifer Wexton’s district. She was last seen sponsoring a surge pricing bill that led to $40 tolls during rush hour on I-66, sending huge amounts of commuter traffic onto nearby surface roads. Nobody should take her seriously on anything having to do with money.

    1. It’s a good thing stupid legislators are never re-elected or get anything passed then.

  14. Four guns?
    Those are newbie numbers.
    Here in Florida everyone has more than 4 pistols.
    Plus a carbine and a few rifles

    1. And enough ammo to put a small country’s ammo supply to shame?

    2. Those are newbie numbers.

      Those are numbers that Harvard School Of Health survey sycophants consider to be ‘on average too many’.

      I put the number of actual 4-gun households responding to a phone call from Harvard about the number of guns in their house with ‘Four’ at around 5%.

  15. This latest children-saving measure should mesh quite nicely with AG Barr’s precrime program (which Reason failed to even acknowledge):

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6509496-Attorney-General-Memo-Implementation-of-National.html

    Take heart, my fellow Americans – it’s only through losing all our freedom that we’ll once more be free!

  16. Except for the non-so-minor detail that such a reporting system violates 18 USC 926(a).

    No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established.
    Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s  authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

    It doesn’t matter the source of the data. The Federal government is not allowed to use financial transaction data to gather information on who is buying guns or ammo, how much or where.

    1. Proposed laws being unconstitutional has never stopped them in the past and they’ll be damned if it starts now.

      1. Exactly. All gun control is unconstitutional, so this will just be another unconstitutional gun control statute that effectively and intentionally infringes on the peoples right to keep and bear Arms.

  17. Rep. Jennifer Wexton’s (D–Va.) “Gun Violence Prevention Through Financial Intelligence Act” would require the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) to “request information from financial institutions for the purpose of developing an advisory about the identification and reporting of suspicious activity.”

    Eric Holder hardest hit.

  18. Financial Crimes Enforcement Network : )

    guns and guns, very confused

  19. Better buy that belt-fed .50 cal with iTunes gift cards, then. They’re anonymous.

    -jcr

    1. i tunes gift cards.. now THAT is brilliant!!!!

      Those BMG fifty guns make SUCH a pretty sound… using an i Tunes card is so fitting…… and we KNOW there is no record of what anyone buys with those cards…..

  20. Anecdotal, but likely typical of An incompetent government. A cousin in IL had domestic abuse charges Amount other infractions and was, by IL law not allowed to possess a gun. Never were his guns taken from him and he shot and killed his brother in law and misfired while trying to kill his sister. Perhaps now some justice shall find him we hope.
    Cash sales are inconceivable.

  21. Remember this started in 1987 with suspicious possible maybe plant leaves transactions. This, thanks to Biden and other fossils, segued into asset forfeiture confiscation of real property and bank accounts, then the George Waffen EO subsidizing faith-based asset forfeiture till the economy collapses. And here we are with suspicious possible maybe again… just like Deutschland during Kristallnacht celebrations. Oh, I voted libertarian.

  22. All you chuckleheads announcing what weapons you own and ways around laws (you think), this is why I called you “chuckleheads”. While you piss away your time and brag about how smart you are your state has one more law to pass and no more buying or selling for you. The Red Flag will curtail what you say here and anywhere but you do not grasp that do you? It is up to you and you a lone, furthermore your ‘humor’ is lame.

    1. Whomever lives in a state that has red flag laws and cannot get a gun is a moron. Build your own gun if you have to.

      Libertarianism is founded on fighting for natural and protected rights. The fact that our government is out of control is even more reason to stand up for the rights we have left.

  23. where did this Holmes fellow buy “grenades” this reader asks the fucking idiot author of this piece of crap story

    1. Look around on the internet.

      Dont forget your ATF tax stamp.

  24. How long before we see gun shops accepting bitcoin, monero, etc.?

  25. Don’t put ANYTHING on your card which is RELATED to guns.

    That credit card record from 8 years ago, showing purchase of “Stock #569876543, cleaning patches, .223” is probable cause for a search warrant (and subsequent raid) when you have failed to register a Scary-Looking Gun that they don’t see you getting a background check for. And the bank’s computer never forgets what you have bought.

  26. I am certain the ones advocating for this “law” are thinking it is just like the fertilizer bomb making supplies being tracked by the financial records. The difference, of course, is that the fertilizer bomb making supplies being purchased by a person living in an apartment in huge quantities is very different from a person buying a gun legally and tracking how many a person purchases and how much ammo is purchased is not any business of the government and it is banned by the constitution as in: “the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.

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