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Manchester Teen Faces Sex Offender Status for Touching 17-Year-Old on the Arm, Waist

"Touching someone's arm to get their attention, I would have thought was normal."

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Last fall, in Manchester, England, an awkward 19-year-old male student touched a 17-year-old female classmate's arm on the street during the daytime. He later said he had wanted to make a friend.

This rattled the young woman so much that she went to the police. Now the young man is facing possible jail time and could be placed on the sex offense registry.

"The complainant's evidence was very clear, logical and without embellishment," a magistrate told the young man. "We can think of no motivation for you to touch the victim other than sexual. Had she not taken evasive action the assault was likely to have been even more serious."

At his hearing, student Jamie Griffiths was convicted of two charges of sexual assault, in part because the accuser, now 18, said that she had "no doubt" that had she not moved away from him that first time he touched her arm, he would have gone on to touch her breast.

As she told the court, according to The Manchester Evening News:

"I was just set on getting home and [reviewing] for my mock exams, but as I was coming over the bridge I saw him facing a hedge and I thought it was really weird. He wasn't doing anything. He was just facing the hedge, staring at it.

"As I walked towards him, I was watching him and he suddenly swung round so he was facing me.

"I remember it happening fast. As soon as he moved, I moved, and I said: 'stop' and he touched me on my arm.  I sort of jolted out of the way and I went into the road to avoid him and he very quickly walked away…

"I forgot about it for a while because I had my exams. I just thought it was weird behavior."

It does sound like weird behavior. Does it sound like a crime punishable by possible jail time and placement on the sex offense registry?

The accuser reported the incident to the police. In a second incident, the young woman was walking to school when Griffiths walked in front of her and touched her side. "It was quite a while—three to five seconds," she said. "He smirked at me, he didn't stop, he just touched me and walked off and I broke down crying in the street—it was quite traumatic."

The accuser had since read about some other incidents on a local Facebook group (we don't know what those were) and thought that perhaps this encounter was related to them, so she and her mom filed a crime report.

Afterward, she said, "Every time I started working I would cry because I would think of it. I felt very unsafe, even in my own home."

She was applying to college—Oxford University—and was hampered by this stress. Both incidents happened when the accuser and accused were at school together studying for their A Levels, which are more-or-less the English equivalent of the SATs.

As for Griffiths, he had been dealing with something on the side. Unbearably lonely, he told the magistrate, he googled "how to make a friend." It was good to start off with a joke, he read, and decided to give it a try.

"I went to touch her arm to start a conversation and she just walked off," he said. "My intention was to make a friend. All my friends had left. I was lonely. I just wanted to speak to someone," Except, he explained, "The words just didn't come out."

What she read as a smirk he says he intended as a friendly smile. As for the physical contact? "Touching someone's arm to get their attention, I would have thought was normal," he said.

Normal or not, touching someone in public, on their arm or on their waist, does not seem to rise to the level of sexual assault. Just because something is abnormal or upsetting doesn't mean it's a crime.

The magistrates in Manchester disagree. Griffiths now faces a possible maximum sentence of ten years in jail and registry as a sex offender.

It is indeed hard to make friends, or interact with other people at all, if awkward but brief encounters like this are considered criminal behavior.

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123 responses to “Manchester Teen Faces Sex Offender Status for Touching 17-Year-Old on the Arm, Waist

  1. >>This rattled the young woman so much that she went to the police.

    for all their plusses chicks ruin a lotta shit on this planet.

    1. Plusses like…?

      1. Boobs for two…

      2. Vaginas.

        CB

      3. oh they’re more fun than everything they ruin don’t get me wrong

  2. Were they worth saving in WW2?

    I worked at a tutoring center for kids when I was in high school. We were specifically instructed if we needed to get the kids attention we would either touch their forearm or upper back by their shoulder blades.

    1. This 17-year old girl wasn’t at Normandy with us.

    2. Touching the arm is ok. Putting your hand on a girl’s waist uninvited is not ok. Especially since it is a second incident after the girl made it know she does not want to be touched. Unwanted touching is assault, guys.

      1. Unwanted touching is assault, guys.

        Incorrect. Unwanted touching can be considered assault. There are laws protecting and even commanding some forms of potentially unwanted touching.

        1. Of course. It depends on context. In a crowd, touching is unavoidable. This was not that.

        2. well every woman should declare they do not want to be touched by having it tattooed on their foreheads.

      2. Full. Blown. Assault.

        Lock the motherfucker up.

        1. She’s not a mother, I don’ t think; and there’s no proof he actually wanted to fuck her.

      3. I’m not sure what article you read, Chipper, but the behavior you describe is not proven by the article above.

        And, no “unwanted touching” is not assault. That’s a specific legal crime with specific legal elements. Some unwanted touching might be assault if all the other legal elements are met. Touching someone on the arm to get their attention does not meet that threshold (despite what this UK magistrate thinks).

        I don’t know what the appeals process is like in the UK. If a similar decision were handed down in the US, I’d hope the Appeals Court would hand the magistrate his/her head for such a slipshod decision.

      4. “Unwanted touching is assault, guys.”
        – At common law, it’s battery. That’s not the issue here. The issue is whether it is sexual assault.

      5. Kill yourself, you piece of trash.

  3. “smirk”

    Here we go again.

    1. It’s only a smirk if the guy isn’t cute enough.

    2. Rule #1: Don’t be physically unattractive near a college woman
      Rule #2: Don’t be physically unattractive and poor near a college woman
      Rule #3: If you have to be physically unattractive near a college woman, apologize for existing and stand as far as possible from her. (Note: This still qualifies as practically rape)

  4. The way the laws are written it is the same here in the U.S.A. Any type of physical contact is consider assault. Even tapping some one on the shoulders.

    1. Technically that is the case. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of anyone convicted for battery for touching someone’s arm to get their attention, though. And this guy was done for sexual assault. Which is definitely absurd given what he actually appears to have done.

    2. And of course that is the way it should be. Do you want someone following you around, tapping you on the shoulder, and telling you it’s perfectly legal to do so?

      1. No, but I’d also hope that people would consider what they are doing to someone when they call the cops on them for some minor infraction.
        If you think a stranger should be charged with assault for tapping you on the shoulder once or twice to get your attention, there is something very wrong with you.

        1. No, but if some 260 pound corn-fed boy put his arm around my waist uninvited, I am calling the police.

  5. “He smirked at me, he didn’t stop, he just touched me and walked off and I broke down crying in the street—it was quite traumatic.”

    The accuser had since read about some other incidents on a local Facebook group (we don’t know what those were) and thought that perhaps this encounter was related to them, so she and her mom filed a crime report.

    Afterward, she said, “Every time I started working I would cry because I would think of it. I felt very unsafe, even in my own home.”

    If forsee a long, miserable life for this dumb bitch.

    1. Eh, she’ll get on the talk show circuit now, find a dude with some cash, divorce him, lather, rinse, repeat.

    2. ““He smirked at me, he didn’t stop, he just touched me and walked off and I broke down crying in the street—it was quite traumatic.”

      Classic sexual assault. Touch some chick on the arm and walk off. And I had always understood sexual assault to be a SERIOUS thing, not something so petty. It seems most people when sexually assaulted are roughed up a bit, clothing removed, forceful intercourse or insertion of some sort. . . that sort of thing.

      Poor girl. Spanky is right, if this was a sexual assault, she is going to have a very rough life. Perhaps the muslims will protect her if she wears the Black Coleman tent.

    3. He was a serial groper/grabber. She reported him because her friends in the neighborhood were also reporting assaults by him. But I guess you chose to ignore that bit.

  6. “Touching someone’s arm to get their attention, I would have thought was normal.”

    It is for some people. To tell the difference follow these simple rules to avoid sexually harassing anyone.

    1. Be attractive.
    2. Be good looking.
    3. Don’t be unattractive.

    1. Money and a nice car doesn’t hurt, either.

      1. Or, as The Dictators would put it…

        1. Or in Harvey Weinstein’s case, the “Directors.”

      2. Risky though… they give the “victim” something to go after.

    2. If you think being attractive prevents you from being the victim, you’re wrong.

      1. In the future, men need to start using first strike defense. In this case the young man should have gone straight to police after his encounter and filed a report that she had aggressively physically assaulted him using her arm and shoulder. Further, he should assert that she threatened that if he did not sexually assent to her felonous desires, she would file a false report alleging he attacked her.

        We poor men, have become conditioned to accept such toxic behavior from women. It must stop. Da#ned Sexist, racist Misandrist Matriarchy.

    3. He lied. Remember that there was a serial groper on that street. He also groped her side, too, after she had yelled “Stop!” and run away from him the first time.

      And no, looks have nothing to do with it. “Oh, a HOT peeping tom? I’m cool with that!” “Oh, a HOT serial groper who lies in wait for women? Yay!” said no one, ever, not even one time.

      You’re sick in the head if you think otherwise.

  7. It is indeed hard to make friends, or interact with other people at all, if awkward but brief encounters like this are considered criminal behavior.

    You think it’s hard making friends or even interacting with other people, imagine being so emotionally fragile that you dissolve into a puddle of helpless angst every time someone touches you. That girl seriously needs to be institutionalized. Not just for her own good, but she’s demonstrably a threat to the safety and well-being of others.

    1. “You think it’s hard making friends or even interacting with other people, imagine being so emotionally fragile that you dissolve into a puddle of helpless angst every time someone touches you.”

      For all she knew, he could have been a Pakistani rapist ignored by the police for years. It’s not a good idea to touch strangers in an effort to ‘make friends with them.’ If you are lonely and friendless, stick to online interactions and keep your hands to yourself.

      1. Great. Now I have that Georgia Satellites song stuck in my head. Thanks.

        1. I didn’t until I read your reply, but now I do as well.

      2. For all she knew, he could have been a Pakistani rapist ignored by the police for years.

        For her own safety and sense of well being she should cover herself from head to toe.

        1. You may not have noticed, and you probably won’t like me saying this, but a kind of ‘virtual chador’ has been slowly enveloping our society for some years now.

      3. “”For all she knew, he could have been a Pakistani rapist ignored by the police for years””

        What a leap. Every interaction should be weighed with Pakistani rapists in mind.

        How do we know you’re not the rapist?

        1. It’s ‘T H E R A P I S T’!

        2. “What a leap. Every interaction should be weighed with Pakistani rapists in mind.”

          No leap at all if you’re a part of the Reason community.

      4. But clearly he was not a stranger-stranger, as she knew him from school, and knew him well enough to identify him by name to the pigs..

        1. He may have been a secret Pakistani rapist.

          1. Named Jamie Griffiths?

      5. Or, as I am reminded of a famous social consciousness play:

        “DINGO: Oh, wicked, bad, naughty, evil Zoot! Oh, she is a naughty person, and she must pay the penalty — and here in Castle Anthrax, we have but one punishment for setting alight the grail-shaped beacon. You must tie her down on a bed and spank her!

        GIRLS: A spanking! A spanking!

        DINGO: You must spank her well. And after you have spanked her, you may deal with her as you like. And then, spank me.

        VARIOUS GIRLS: And spank me. And me. And me.

        DINGO: Yes, yes, you must give us all a good spanking!

        Monty Python and the holy Grail, Book of Castle Anthrax, Chapter II verse 4-10.

    2. She had already jumped away from him one time, when he had lunged out at her and touched her arm, which from her description, she was using to shield her breast, which seemed to her the aim of his attack. Maybe he wasn’t actually trying to grab her boob, but after she yells “Stop!” and runs away once, he then goes and corners and feels her up a second time. There’s also a serial groper reported by her friends on that street–and she ends up going to the police because she thinks it’s probably him. (Newsflash: it’s probably him.)

  8. “Every time I started working I would cry because I would think of it. I felt very unsafe, even in my own home.”

    MAN THE HELL UP.

    1. Girls don’t like to be touched by smirking strangers. Who knew?

      1. To the point that it causes PTSD? Bullshit.

        1. To the point of calling the cops. Isn’t that enough?

          1. My statement has nothing to do with whether she should have called the cops or not, and you’re quite aware of that.

            1. She doesn’t need to have PTSD to call the cops, or feel bad about being touched by a lonely, friendless smirking stranger. I’m not sure why you would bring PTSD into the issue, or why you imagine I can read your mind.

              1. Every time I started working I would cry because I would think of it. I felt very unsafe, even in my own home.

                1. My advice to her: Don’t cry, don’t think of it, and feel safe, especially in your own home.

                  1. You are assuming she has any element of self control, an obvious mistake.

                    1. I am also assuming she will ignore unsolicited medical advice from an internet comment board.

  9. Meanwhile, police in the UK ignored Pakistani gangs actually raping British women for years.

    1. You have to make allowances for cultural differences. Why, you wouldn’t want the Brits to give up their tea time, would you? It’s the same thing.

      1. It brings to mind the old story from the British Raj.
        (Paraphrasing)
        “It’s our tradition to burn widows on the funeral pyre.”
        “Yes, and it’s our tradition to hang people who burn widows to death.”
        What happened to those people?

    2. They are still doing so. Rotherham hasn’t stopped, the media there are just banned from reporting on it.

      It wouldn’t surprise me if this article gets Reason banned in the UK.

      What a nation of cucks.

    3. They even jail people who call attention to that. The British people should really overthrow the left there.

  10. Joe Biden hardest hit.

    1. He’s just trying to make friends.

      1. He needs extra hugs cause of his son.

    2. Biden is just a ‘fingertip politician’. Whatever the fuck that means.

  11. Even if he went on and groped her breast, is that serious enough to destroy his live forever with the registry? I thought the fragility of females was a Victorian thing, but it appears to be back.

    To me a breast grope would be a weekend in jail, maybe several weekends on a road crew. But permanently blackballed for life on a registry that will deny him gainful employment. Sheesh.

    When I was young and stupid I once groped a friend’s butt. She turned around and slapped me so hard I instantly lost my stupidity. Sometimes 18 year olds are stupid, and they should not have their lives ruined forever for it. A short, swift, and non-permanent consequence is what’s needed.

    1. “But permanently blackballed for life on a registry that will deny him gainful employment. ”

      There’s more to life than being at the beck and call of some employer. Jeffrey Epstein had an independent and comfortable life up until shortly before he killed himself. He never had to worry about an employer looking over his sexual proclivities.

      1. Did OBL highjack your handle?

    2. At 18, I went to hug a friend who expressed her displeasure by kneeing me hard enough in the groin to drop me to the floor. That single incident was enough to teach me to always pay attention to physical cues and not initiate physical contact with women unless it will be accepted. A push, slap, kick, or even a knee would not have been unwarranted in this instance and she would would have walked away feeling righteously indignant instead of victimized.

    3. Should go back to caning. A really good caning, and this idiot would probably stop lurking on the street and grabbing women. (Occam’s razor says he’s the serial groper on the street.) If he keeps it up, THEN cut off his balls. The reporting on this is super dishonest. They have all the facts there but carefully arranged so you are misled about what was actually going on.

  12. And in a few years, this (presumed) female will be bitching and griping about how hard it is to meet a guy.

  13. Here’s my speculation.

    The girl couldn’t handle the pressure of exams and knew she wasn’t getting into Oxford, so she found someone else to blame her anxiety and failure on.

  14. Ironically, I just returned to work from attending a corporate “Anti Harassment” training seminar and this was the first article I read. According to HR and Legal that were conducting the seminar, this was in no way, shape, or form harassment I truly hope at some point in her life, she has a medical emergency and everyone just ignores her. According to that ignorant magistrate, “We can think of no motivation for you to touch the victim other than sexual.” So in England, according to this ruling, if you give someone CPR, the ONLY reason MUST be sexual.

    1. Having been through about 16,000 of these trainings, this is not entirely true.

      If that kid had tried touching her numerous times, after she said she didn’t like it, or even showed enough discomfort that others noticed, then it very well could amount to harassment. (Note: Harassment is not the same as Assault.)

      And you know what? As a manager I have dealt with this situation numerous times. Kids wearing inappropriate shit to work, guys who don’t understand personal bubbles, habitual huggers. Exactly ZERO of those situations have resorted in me having to call the cops, or even fire someone. In a couple of cases, there were written warnings because the issue had reached HR before me.

      Someone needed to pull this kid aside to explain that he is doing this shit wrong. A parent, or teacher. Fuck, even the cop. What does it say about this world that the first time this kid is given a good talking to about good vs bad behavior was in front of a fucking judge.

      1. Someone needed to pull this kid aside to explain that he is doing this shit wrong. A parent, or teacher. Fuck, even the cop. What does it say about this world that the first time this kid is given a good talking to about good vs bad behavior was in front of a fucking judge.

        Somebody should also probably pull the girl aside and say something as well.

        It should be noted that this is the desired state of affairs for anyone who says “it takes a village”.

      2. He’s almost certainly the serial groper lurking on the street and grabbing random girls. The time for a good lecture was before he started lying in wait to grope women.

    2. When I was at a medical company, we all had to have mandatory sexual harassment training (after two lesbians got into spat and reported each other. Sigh).

      Anyway, one of the managers asked, “My job frequently requires me to ask people to take off their clothes and lie on the table while I take pictures. Is this a bad thing”

    3. Gawd forbid, you have the audacity to pull someone back from stepping unthinkingly in front of a large truck.

      Or to push someone out of the way of a falling piano.

      And it’s always better to let them have a seizure unabated then to risk preventing their hitting their head, biting their tongue or inhaling vomitus. .

  15. Why do young people these days have so much trouble exhibiting assertive behavior. A strong, direct “don’t touch me” on her part would probably have sufficed in the first instance to prevent the second and a strong and direct “I told you before not to touch me” in the second instance, probably would have gotten nearby people involved to the point that she wouldn’t feel like a victim. I know I would at least stop and she if she was OK before walking away if I heard something like that.

    Instead, she engaged in the passive-aggressive thought experiment game of ‘what is the most horrible outcome I can imagine’. Most moms are already fantastic at that game, and the police are trained to play it, but the magistrate should be above it. What reason does a judge have to engage in fantasy?

    1. Exactly. There are about 100 possible interventions that could have taken place to stop this behavior prior to going to the cops. The problem here is that a weird kid makes people feel uncomfortable, and so no one ever took responsibility for the matter. What a joke.

    2. Most women don’t have great communication skills, especially when dealing with the opposite sex. It seems the don’t “deal well with confrontation.” Poor girls, can’t stand up for themselves without a police or parent escort.

    3. Why would this even be necessary? Who the fuck goes into trauma because someone touched their arm? Why is that even upsetting? Walk away and get on with life….or….”every time I think of it I start to cry….” What a waste of oxygen

    4. No. She yelled “Stop!” the first time he touched her–when he reached for her in such a way that she was convinced that he was grabbing for her boob. She dodged aside while yelling, and he made contact with her arm. She ran into the street to get away. Then, he forced her to the side of the walk to pin her and grope at her waist while smiling at her. The SECOND time, she was terrified. The first, she wrote it off to something weird.

  16. I was doing an IT job (pulling some network cable) at a restaurant.
    Walking down the food production line with a small ladder in hand (no other route to take), I said “behind you” and put the back of my free hand lightly between the shoulder blades of several busy employees, to avoid them turning and running into me – possibly spilling product or falling. Exactly as I’d done a thousand times in my youth when I worked in restaurants. I got a few “thank you”s from them, but nothing else.

    I immediately got accosted by the manager for “sexually assaulting” her employees. She pulled the employees into the office and tried to get them to make a statement. They all declined and nothing came of it. But her reaction shocked me. If I’d touched the manager, I’d have likely had a criminal complaint filed against me and my company.

    1. #metood

    2. Sounds like a disgruntled employee utilizing one of the weapons of the weak in order to disrupt the company and stick it to the man. The wobblies used to sabotage their workplace with a wrench between the gears. Now we jam up the works with reports of sexual harassment.

    3. That “manager” is scum.

  17. When those crybaby women in Iran and Yemen talk about their rapes, severed limbs, beheadings and prison time for not wearing head coverings, we should show them this. This will shut them up!

  18. “We can think of no motivation for you to touch the victim other than sexual.”

    Even when he explained what his motivation was?

    Perhaps his action was a technical assault (or battery). But it surely wasn’t a sexual assault.

    1. She’d already yelled “Stop!” and had run into the road to escape him once, and he groped her again. There was also a serial groper on the street, grabbing many girls. This is just one case, but do you realistically think it wasn’t him?

  19. “”I remember it happening fast. As soon as he moved, I moved, and I said: ‘stop’ ”

    Reason left out the “stop” part in its conclusion for some reason.
    It does destroy the conclusion somewhat

    1. You know perfectly well why they left it out. They also failed to note that she believed that he was lunging to grope her breast when that happened, and the only reason that he didn’t make contact is that she dodged out of the way and blocked him. THAT is when he touched her arm.

  20. I gotta wonder what this chick looks like on the outside.
    (Inside she is really ugly)

    1. There was a serial groper on that street. He had lunged at her before, and only because she blocked him did he come in contact with her arm and not her breast. The defense was, “you can’t prove he was trying to grab her boob because he actually didn’t–he was just and awkward snowflake.” Sure. And the serial groper lying in wait for schoolgirls totally wasn’t him, too.

  21. “You let my daughter drown?!”
    Me: Yea sorry. I don’t wanna risk assault charges for rescuing her.

  22. Don’t touch a woman or spend time alone with her unless you’re married to her; that’s pretty much been the rule for centuries, and you’re a fool if you think it has really changed much.

    What has changed is that even in marriage, men really aren’t safe from crazy accusations anymore.

    1. Pence had it right all along.

  23. This girl is a piece of trash. But the prosecutors are simply scum who need to be hanged.

    1. No, the Reason columnist is a piece of trash for making a serial groper into a victim. But they know their loser audience.

  24. The Brits have gone Loony Tunes.

  25. The world would be a better place if this woman stuck her head in a meat grinder.

  26. So they’ve criminalized being a harmless loser. Great job #metoo movement. Really doing a great job making sure trump gets reelected.

    1. You’re not a man if you think it’s cool for men to hang out on streets and lunge at and grope women. Reason distorted a story that was highly distorted from the beginning. There was a serial groper on the street, who was attacking a lot of women. The accuser heard her friends talking about their attacks after she’d been attacked herself. In the first incident, the man lunged out at the school girl, in her school girl uniform, with his hand extended. She yelled “stop!” He did not. She moved away and moved her arm so that he came in contact with her arm. If she had not, he would have grabbed her boob–what he was aiming for. The entire defense consisted of, “You can’t PROVE that he was trying to grab her boob because he didn’t ACTUALLY touch it!” And then the nonsense about “wanting friends.” He wanted to get off on grabbing school girls. That’s what he really wanted.

  27. Honestly, I’m so angry right now at the Media and DNC for sabotaging themselves again, I just, I’m leaving this site. Yes, it’s clearly a Biden front. I knew that. We all know that. But you at least tried to make sense of things that didn’t involve Joe Biden. I was a fan. I’d love to see you embrace truth like The Hill has lately. It’s so refreshing. I used to absolutely hate those folks with a purple passion, but they put in the hard work restoring their own integrity.

    Let’s hope you do the same.

  28. The guy in the story is named but the woman is anonymous. How many lives is she going to destroy until she wises up (or not)?

    I think that it would be useful to start a “toxic person*” registry. Don’t talk to her, don’t look at her, don’t touch her with a ten foot pole, whether you’re a man or a woman. If she tries to touch you, call police.

    * Some “untouchables” might be men

    1. Maybe someone will lose their shit on her and beat her to death.

    2. She is a minor. He is an adult.

      She’d like it if you didn’t lurk on the street trying to jump out and grab her boob. I know I would.

  29. Something is rotten in mock-turtle land when Lenore Skenazy–coven-mistress of barbaric colonial laissez-faire–is called upon to lecture British Subjects about the proper uses of Law. The mass importation of snowflake Berserkers and endless wrangling over voter rejection of the Anschluss must be taking its toll. Irish voters repealed a papal-mohammedan forced-labor amendment by a whopping 2/3 margin, with women rejoising in the streets. Yet in what remains of Merrie-Olde, the Anschluss that took Austria ten days to consummate is endlessly turning teenagers of former Pepperland into tattle-tales and crybabies.

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