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Proud Boys and Antifa Playact Protest in Portland

“It was healthy discourse in a controlled environment,” said one Proud Boy. But was it?

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At 9 a.m. we drive west over the Morrison Bridge. The bridge that would dump us closest to today's rally in Portland, Oregon, the Hawthorne Bridge, has been closed by police. We pass 20 more cops, costumed in full riot gear, as we exit onto the other side of the Willamette River.

Downtown, which should be busy on a Saturday morning, is a ghost town. Only one coffee shop is open.

"It's Portland," says my friend Ben. "Can't have a riot without coffee."

The riot in question, which it's been announced will start at 10:30 a.m., has been billed for weeks as the next big confrontation between leftists and the alt-right. This showdown is ostensibly in response to a June 29 incident in which journalist Andy Ngo was attacked by alleged members of the radical group antifa. When video of the attack went viral, antifa's critics saw it as evidence that the movement is violent; antifa's defenders argued that Ngo, who often writes critically of the group, brought the attack on himself and was profiting from it. Pundit Michelle Malkin started a GoFundMe for Ngo (currently clocking in at $194,000), and former InfoWars reporter Joe Biggs—now affiliated with a right-wing group, the Proud Boys—announced he and his crew would come from Florida to stage an "End Domestic Terrorism" rally in Portland.

In response, Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler pinned to his Twitter feed: "A message to anyone who plans on using Portland on August 18th to commit violence and spread hate: We. Don't. Want. You. Here."

They came anyway. Yet by 10 a.m. there are more police than demonstrators along Portland's waterfront. There are also park rangers in their Mountie-like uniforms (one never sees rangers here), concrete barriers (no one wants another Charlottesville), and a police boat doing a slow trawl on the west side of the Willamette.

There are also a lot of camera-toting news people with not a lot of news to cover, unless you count a lone Proud Boy yelling, "The Portland Police Bureau took my flagpole! The Portland Police Bureau took my flagpole!"

One of the few people watching this is a 20-year-old holding a flag that reads "Come and Take It" below a drawing of a cannon. Christian tells me he's driven from Dallas, Texas, to be here.

"I have a girlfriend here anyway," he says. "But I'm not the biggest fan of antifa. I've been to a couple of Proud Boys events. I never saw them start anything. I'm here to support them."

An expanse the length of maybe two football fields is where today's confrontation is set to be staged. On the south end is a smattering of right-wingers: men in flak jackets carrying American flags plus one guy in a QAnon shirt. On the north end, on what might be called the anti–Proud Boy side are hundreds of people. These include Black Bloc anarchists wearing the equivalent of riot gear: black face masks, black motorcycle or bicycle helmets, black clothes. Some carry black umbrellas, maybe to shield themselves from photos and the press. (Antifa demonstrators don't like to speak with the media.)

Leavening the mood is a quartet in chef's toques, carrying signs that read WHITE FLOUR and WIFE POWER. "We're standing up to white supremacy with a little humor, highlighting the absurdity," one says before asking if she can "anoint" me with a sprinkling of flour. Kudos to these folks and others who dressed up and brightened the day.

Effie Baum is a spokesperson for Popular Mobilization, or PopMob, which organized today's event after learning of the Proud Boys' decision to again descend on Portland.

"We were the ones who also helped with the rally on the 29th," she says, and that she's gratified to see about eight times as many people on her "end" of the field than the other.

"Excellent. That's our entire goal," she says. "I hope that we outnumber them and that they are not able to get any of the things they're looking for, which is provocation and any type of altercations and that they aren't able to make their toxic masculinity riot porn, which allows them to do more recruiting on the internet."

What might be seen as the opposite of toxic masculinity riot porn is gathered nearby, random grown-ups who identify as left if not as part of any particular group—"keep Portland weird" mainstays dressed as superheroes and mermaids and anarchist clowns and bananas and houseplants and more, including two young men wearing full-body Winnie the Pooh outfits.

"One of them is maybe a fake!" shouts one college-age Pooh boy, before tunelessly strumming a ukulele with an A (for anarchy) sticker.

There is also a middle-aged man in a shirt from the John Brown Gun Club. On July 19, a member of this self-proclaimed "anti-racist, pro-worker" firearms club was killed by police after allegedly throwing incendiary objects at a Tacoma immigration center.

I ask him why he's here. "We don't really talk about this," the man replies, politely. Then: "We are here and stand up for what we believe in. These groups [the Proud Boys] make incursions into Portland every six months. We want to show up for what they are against."

Which is? "Liberal democracy," he says. "We want to keep people safe, generally."

A little before 11, there's a perceptible shimmy in the air. Police are lining up at the south end of the field, preventing people from crossing the line. Ben, who served six years in Iraq and Afghanistan, points out there are at least four grenade launchers set to shoot tear gas canisters.

"They're also called 'bloop guns,' for the sound they make when they shoot," he says as the first real altercation of the day begins, an antifa guy getting right in the face of a Proud Boy. There's a lot of shouting and chest-thumping as at least 100 people press in on them, filming with their phones, everyone yelling, though no one as loudly and as repetitively and as a man shouting, "Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Thank you, Jesus! Thank you, Jesus! No hate! No hate!" He is trying, I realize, to bring down the temperature. An hour later I will see this man again, again putting himself between combatants, his shirt soaked with sweat, his eyes almost spilling tears.

The first confrontation unknots as quickly as it formed, leaving behind a young woman with a shaved head under a camo baseball cap. "I am here to support everyone in the anti-antifa movement," she says. "What I hope is going to happen is we have a peaceful demonstration. What I think is going to happen is what always happens. Antifa is going to throw a punch and there's going to be a fight. There always is a fight. Look at June 29. Wait, what's happening?"

What's happening is that police are cinching people in, surreptitiously corralling the antifa crowd. Shouts of, "NO MORE NA-ZIS! NO MORE NA-ZIS" start as a news chopper hovers overhead. Whether by design or spontaneously, the crowd of maybe six hundred swarms below the Morrison Bridge. It becomes very loud very fast, shouts and drumbeats banging off the concrete stanchions overhead.

"GO HOME FAS-CISTS! GO HOME FAS-CISTS!" the crowd chants, though the Proud Boys and their supporters are nowhere in view. It later turns out they are still on the other side of the river. Nevertheless, the group under the bridge is pumped, visibly agitated, except for a line of young men in black masks standing very still. They carry canes and those umbrellas and, in one case, a Louisville slugger made of metal. A young man whom, maybe because I look so threatening with my notepad, flashes his black brass knuckles at me.

The crowd continues to chant as a tape blaring from a nearby police car warns on repeat, "NO MARCHING IN THE STREET—IF YOU ARE IN THE STREETS YOU WILL BE SUBJECT TO ARREST." I ask Gregory McKelvey, who is handing out stickers that read "SARAH for Portland Mayor—#OurPortland," what he's doing here today, besides managing Sarah Iannarone's 2020 campaign.

"I'm here because I think it's important for the city of Portland to show that anti-fascism doesn't necessarily look like black-clad protestors," he shouts above the racket. "That anti-fascism looks like fathers like me, nurses, teachers and really all of the Portland community."

Including, evidently, a man standing nearby dressed as Obi-Wan Kenobi.

"I think it's important for everyday anti-fascists to come out and show that this city opposes the bigots that oftentimes infiltrate our city," McKelvey continues. "I think it's important that we show up and outnumber these out-of-town, out-of-state bigots."

How does he think Ted Wheeler's handled the situation?

"I think that the mayor has promoted a lot of rhetoric that both sides contribute to this violence," he says. "I think having police in riot gear contributes to a militarized and violent presence here and I think there's been a lack of guidance and leadership at the top levels that's led to the situation we're in."

Portland Police further kettle the pack, keeping them on this end of the field, keeping them under the bridge. This just as the Proud Boys have marched over a bridge and reached the south end of the park. Portland Police have gotten grief from many quarters in the run-up to the rally, but they do appear to know where the today's groups are going to amass and how to keep them away from each other. This may well be the result of cooperation from an unlikely quarter: According to Proud Boys chairman Enrique Tarrio, who flew in from Florida for the rally, "As soon as we landed, we spoke with Portland [Police Department]. I was telling them, look, you guys tell me what the best marching route is."

As for their intent today, Tarrio told his crew the night before the rally that there was to be "no fighting whatsoever….We go in together, and we leave together….We're going to have a badass time in the park, while [antifa] go and burn down the city."

The Proud Boys and their supporters spend less than an hour in the park before starting a walk back over the river, this time on the Hawthorne Bridge, which has been reopened for them for this purpose. Entering the bridge's roadway, the roughly 200 Proud Boys and supporters shout, "USA! USA! USA!" to several construction workers on a scaffold. The workers seem a little bewildered. The group shouts, "Thank you for your service!" to police officers, who say nothing in return.

The march back is subdued, the tenor and energy completely different than being on the ground on the other side. A few people start singing, "Na-na-na-na, hey hey hey, good-bye." It doesn't catch on and they continue over the bridge in relative quiet.

"I knew it was going to be calm, but I didn't know it would be this calm," says guerrilla street artist and Proud Boy member Sabo, who came up from Los Angeles to march.

Once on the other side, the Proud Boy leadership poses for a group photo. Everyone is smiling and seems relaxed, maybe relieved. Asked if he thinks the day was a success, a Seattle Proud Boy says about his own people, "Absolutely. Not a single person injured, no one arrested."

"It was healthy discourse in a controlled environment," says a young man wearing the Proud Boy "uniform" of black Fred Perry polo shirt. "That's all we can ask."

"Let's go fucking barbecue!" someone shouts.

One wonders: What has been accomplished? To what discourse does the young man refer? Antifa was angry that the Proud Boys would show up in "their" city—that they would dare to come here. The Proud Boys countered: You can't stop us. (Before the day is over, Joe Biggs announces they'll be back again next month.) Both groups insist it's the other side making trouble, the other side that's violent. Each side is reactionary, fed on hatred and on our willingness to keep tuning in for the next episode.

Which, for today, is essentially over by early afternoon. There are a dozen arrests, but very little stemming from confrontation between the groups, more stragglers siphoning off last bits of rage.

Looking like one big fizzle, incidents will be amped and misreported before the sun is down. A video of a man dressed as some sort of gladiator being attacked by a mob while trying to protect his "12-year-old daughter" will be streamed and tweeted, including by Andy Ngo and picked up by Michelle Malkin. It will take me 35 seconds online to learn the gladiator is a serial provocateur and if the person he's shown with is his daughter, she's 24. That they appear to have dressed her so she looks like a child strikes me as particularly reprehensible.

"It's all show business," says Ben as we walk back over a bridge. Several guys in MAGA caps are yelling "USA!" at a few anarchists; a young man in a black body suit is doing some sort of wiggle dance. "If it were real, there would be bodies stacked."

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  1. losers.

    1. It’s street theater for dummies looking for meaning in their boring lives.

      1. It’s Kabuki theater for journalists.

        So, yes, what you said.

        1. We should just chip in and get Portland an NFL franchise so they’ll have something better to do.

          But seriously the problem is that Portland is the least Black major American city with just 3% Black population. So it’s hard to prove your anti-racist when it’s almost impossible to live there and have Black friends. So to prove you are anti-racist then white people have to call other white people racists (who have more black friends than they do) and get in fights with them to prove how not racist they are.

          1. But seriously the problem is that Portland is the least Black major American city with just 3% Black population.

            But seriously, Cracker, you’re full of crap. Crackers always are.
            https://suburbanstats.org/population/oregon/how-many-people-live-in-portland

            And how is that even relevant?
            To anything said here?

            1. Oh dear, instead of 3%, the ACTUAL number is 6, according to your info. Truly, you obliterated him there.

              1. Bullshit is bullshit. Pulling it out of one’s ass … that’s your trick. And,why are you BAIL on this, Cracker?

                And how is that even relevant?
                To anything said here?

                Anything else?

    2. Lefties fighting Lefties.

      1. Yup. Also lol at the masked coward flashing his brass knuckles at a woman with a notepad. Real tough, kid. Real tough.

  2. When video of the attack went viral, antifa’s critics saw it as evidence that the movement is violent

    People with eyes saw it as evidence that the movement is violent.

    1. Aren’t they pretty openly and explicitly violent as a movement? At least in the sense that they consider violence an acceptable tool to use in whatever the hell they are trying to accomplish?

      1. Yes Zeb they are. But, somehow when a group that professes violence actually attacks someone for the crime of recording them on video, somehow reason thinks the story is some variation of “Republicans pounce”.

        1. This story took a whole lot of words to say “both sides”. I think I can guess which side would be better neighbors.

          1. The Proud Boys are regular guys that you could split a pitcher of beer with. Antifa are a mob of enraged soyboys who are wretched, insufferable progtards.

            The Proud Boys are just a response to the endless progtarded public bullying by Antifa.

            1. +1,000,000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!

            2. Last of the Shitferbrains, you actually make people retarded for having read your drivel.
              Honestly, you are contender for the stupidest Trumpanzee fuckwit poster in the history of Reason.com.

              1. Awwwwww….pat on your little head.

            3. Indeed, you read some of the coverage, and you would get the impression that the Proud Boys came first, and Antifa organized against them, regrettably countering their violence. When the actual situation was the opposite: Antifa was attacking conservative events, and the Proud Boys organized to oppose THEM.

              1. Liar.

        2. I decided to wade into the shihole that is a Wikipedia editors’ bitchfest about an article.

          For antifa, the EDITORS commented that Ngo was antagonizing them.

          Makes me feel better about never once giving them a penny when they beg for it. Useless fucks.

          1. USELESS FUCKS — anyone who does not kiss an alt-right ass.

      2. Yes, a

    2. Yeah, I found that particularly disgusting. Why should we treat beating somebody up as evidence of violence? Why not instead credit Antifa’s claim he brought it on himself by daring to photograph them?

      Both positions are equally reasonable, no?

  3. What was accomplished? How about a peaceful assembly. These days that is something.

    I also note that no mention of weapons for the Proud Boys, only for the “peace-loving” Antifa.

    1. >>>What was accomplished? How about a peaceful assembly.

      was supposed to be a riot.

    2. historically at least, because the Proud Boys are the ones who actually go through the legal paperwork to protest (unlike Antifa who mysteriously get a pass), they have an official meeting place, and the cops have disarmed them of obvious weapons and body armor there before they even start. My guess, most folks just don’t bring stuff if they know its gonna get “TSA’d” and never given back.

      1. Progressives need the deck stacked in their favor. Even then, they’re just worthless soyboy pussies.

        1. Do you ever tire of being a satire of an internet tough-boi with a gun boner and a Trump poster you jerk off to, Last of the Shitferbrains. Isn’t being a Daily Stormer enough for you and the other retards.

          1. Awwwww…..pat on your little head.

    3. Police removed flags from the Proud Boys so they wouldnt use them as a weapon. Not joking.

      1. Police allowed Antifa and their supporters to be armed.

        You gotta say this part.

        Police DISARMED the Proud Boys and let Antifa retain ALL their weapons.

        Because people need to understand that the police are no longer their friends.

        1. Portland should be put under martial law by Trump. Then enact a zero tolerance policy against Antifa, who should be designated a domestic terror group.

          1. They are cowards. They will never take off their masks, and they favor attacking from behind.

            1. And only when they outnumber their victims at least six to one. I favor confronting them in public with a rooftop spotter armed with a high powered rifle to deal with any threats to my person.

          2. Or, fire Republitard fuckwits like you, Last of the Shitferbrains, into space where you can no longer shit up the Reason.com threads with your drivel.

            1. Awww….here’s a complimentary panties unknotting machine.

  4. In response, Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler pinned to his Twitter feed: “A message to anyone who plans on using Portland on August 18th to commit violence and spread hate: We. Don’t. Want. You. Here.”

    That’s pretty rich coming from Ted Wheeler. And a demonstrable lie.

    1. “We. Don’t. Want. You. Here.”
      The mayor of Portland writes like a 15-year-old.

  5. “What might be seen as the opposite of toxic masculinity riot porn is gathered nearby, random grown-ups who identify as left if not as part of any particular group—”keep Portland weird” mainstays dressed as superheroes and mermaids and anarchist clowns and bananas and houseplants and more, including two young men wearing full-body Winnie the Pooh outfits.”

    And they are doing a splendid job of it.

    1. “What might be seen as the opposite of toxic masculinity riot porn is gathered nearby,”

      Ah, toxic anti-masculinity.
      Sure isn’t enough of that these days!

      1. Antifa soyboys need to vent their impotent rage by ganging up wearing ski masks.

  6. or PopMob, which organized today’s event after learning of the Proud Boys’ decision to again descend on Portland.

    All 15 of them.

  7. “…including two young men wearing full-body Winnie the Pooh outfits.”

    And what does [Chinese] President Xi have to do with this?

  8. Seems like good reporting, although there was one incident involving antifa attacking a bus full of Proud Boys (or something right-wing group) that went viral. And as usual, despite the fact that there’s cameras freaking everywhere, we still can’t seem to figure out who started it since everything is selectively edited.

    1. from what I heard (according to OregonLive, which is admittedly left wing), it looks like the whole bus thing was of course, Antifa attacking folks. The people in the bus, however, were American Guard, who best as I can tell from 30 seconds of research actually are white supremacists pretending to be constitutionalists.

      1. According to Antifa everyone is a white nationalist except beta cucks.

        1. Yeah, I know. I also know that’s a croc of shit where the Proud Boys are concerned, they’re a pretty diverse bunch, you just gotta be male and proud of America to join them. The thing is, this American Guard group appears to be the real deal. The article I read said the leader and a large chunk of the membership are “reformed” white supremacists from a pretty serious bunch, by their own admission.

          1. Still doesn’t give you the right to attack them.

            It’s that whole 1A thing

          2. All of which ceases to matter as soon as Antifa initiates the violence themselves.

        2. Getting beta, beta all the time.

      2. Funny how this group, just like the Proud Boys, makes no mention of being white, and in fact say they are open to all races, get labeled “white nationalists”.
        Is that kind of like the claim that anyone, who espouses a color-blind society, is a racist?

        1. Liar,

      3. So, at absolute worst, antifa made white supremacists sympathetic victims.

        Good job, antifa.

  9. A young man whom, maybe because I look so threatening with my notepad, flashes his black brass knuckles at me.

    You’re there as a journalist. We know how Antifa views your type.

    1. I get the impression that ‘with us or against us’ is how they view every type.

      1. Since the Antifa are well aware that what they’re doing is illegal, they view anybody documenting what is going on as “against us”.

  10. Bunch of the biggest whiniest pussies in the country. If a natural disaster were to occur decimating Portland, Antifa, and the Proud boys, the country as a whole would be better for it.

    1. What do you have against the Proud Boys? Do you hate patriotic people?

      1. He probably hates retards. So don’t expect a Christmas card from him, Last of the Shitfer brains.

        1. One wonders what sort of nasty things your daddies did to you, to make you so ignorant and angry. . .

          C’mon, cupcake – show us on the little doll what they did.

        2. Awww….daddy issues go away if you just let them, sweet cheeks.

      2. I hate faux patriotic pussies.

        It’s like that scene where heath ledger was the joker and he goes “i know the squealers when i see them and…”*slowly points at the puss*. Well I know the pussies when I see them.

        That’s the proud boys (less so than antifa, but not that much less). We are going to put on our chest rigs, and camo, and march right into the heart of where antifa is! Oh and we will walk around for a minute, and then request police assistance out real quick. Then claim victory. We will make sure to telegraph everything we are going to do to make sure the news sees us fight with the antifa pussies, and file a request with the cops to make sure we dont get hurt on the way out.

        This is a battle between 2 factions of fucking pretenders who think they have the stones for the real deal. None of them have seen real violence or combat, otherwise they wouldn’t be showing up to act like they are ready for their little civil war they clamor for. If one of the proud boys or antifa members saw one of their comrades get a limb blown off they would run for the hills and never look back.

        Would love to see the shit break off and the slap fight ensue between them. Would make for some good TV.

  11. One wonders: What has been accomplished? To what discourse does the young man refer? Antifa was angry that the Proud Boys would show up in “their” city—that they would dare to come here.

    What was proved is that every culture likes walls around itself to keep others out.

    1. Except that last I looked Portland was still part of the US and the constitution still applies there. So it is not “their city”. The proud boys are free to march around and say whatever they like.

      1. Portland doesn’t recognize a document written by dead, slave-owning white men.

        1. The courts, who are backed by the military, are a bit more hard nosed about it.

            1. Only to guntards and the NRA.

              1. Said nobody with a brain, ever.

                1. Says the guntard/bully

        2. Which is odd, considering the incredibly racist past of Portland. It’s still one of the whitest cities in the US, demographically speaking.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_black_exclusion_laws

          1. I have read about that. Funny how where I live in flyover country it is like 30% black population and this dumb stuff doesn’t happen.

          2. Minadin’ss link PROVES him a lying sack of shit conservatard

            The Oregon black exclusion laws were attempts to prevent black people from settling within the borders of the settlement and eventual U.S. state of Oregon. The first such law took effect in 1844, when the Provisional Government of Oregon voted to exclude all black settlers from Oregon’s borders. The law authorized a punishment for any black settler remaining in the territory to be whipped with “not less than twenty nor more than thirty-nine stripes” for every six months they remained.[1] Additional laws aimed at African Americans entering Oregon were ratified in 1849 and 1857.[2] The last of these laws was repealed in 1926.

            1. Which part of the word “history” do you not understand? Are you illiterate, stupid, or both?

    2. Portland does not belong to Antifa. What a stupid statement by Reason

      1. The quotation marks make Man from Earth the BIGGEST dumbass on the page!!

  12. Why does Antifa even exist? I see no evidence of creeping or even abrupt fascism happening in the US government.

    1. Fascism is anything that disagrees with free medi-college for all.

    2. They’ve been told that fascism is here, though. Trump is very much like Hitler, he’s literally worse than a racist, and we’re already sticking people in concentration camps at the southern border.

      It’s just a matter of time before the armed police start patrolling the streets in riot gear every weekend and announcing mandatory curfews. And there’s no way the irony of that last point will be lost on them, no way at all.

    3. There must be a term, for a group whose intent is to further an agenda, but they themselves pretend to be a force against that very agenda?

      I mean besides unbelievably cynical.

      1. False flag or red team.

        1. Black shirts?
          Brown shirts?
          Red guard?

      2. Department of Justice?

      3. Hey FASCISTS ….

        The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs


        “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
        Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
        Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.
        Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry, on the left OR right.

        Left – Right = Zero
        Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree.
        As the “traditional” left and right shrink toward extinction.
        While authoritarians, Left and Right, are braying like jackasses and chirping like dodo birds.

        1. Fuck off Hihn. How many times do you have to be banned from here before you get the message?

          1. He trots out the same old propaganda lies about the same sad day about which he knows nothing.

            1. Deconstructed Potato — RETARD — denies UNDENIABLE VIDEO PROOF.

              John — WHINY PUSSY — when PROVEN a liar.

      4. Israeli?

        1. Irrelevant babbling?

    4. They exist because there are stupid commies in the world who think it’s exciting and edgy to pretend to be some kind of para-military group and beat up people who disagree with you.

      1. This story took a whole lot of words to say “both sides”. I think I can guess which side would be better neighbors.

        1. If you’re Black it’s a little more obvious.

          1. The Proud Boys are led by a Cuban.

    5. Keep in mind that Antifa doesn’t stand for “Anti-Fascist”, it stands for “Anti-First Amendment”. AntiFA, not Antifa. Free speech for me but not for thee, your speech is violence and our violence is speech, hate speech is not free speech and hate speech is any speech I disagree with.

      1. Keep in mind that Antifa doesn’t stand for “Anti-Fascist”, it stands for “Anti-First Amendment”.

        The psycho be drooling again.

        1. So wipe your chin, drooler.

    6. Lefties always have a militant wing of the Democrat Party.

      KKK
      Fascist League of North America
      Silver Legion of America
      Friends of New Germany
      German American Bund
      Red Brigade
      Irish Republican Army
      American Nazi Party
      Weather Underground
      Students for a Democratic Society
      Black Panthers
      Symbionese Liberation Army
      May 19th Communist Organization (M19CO)
      United Freedom Front
      Black Lives Matter

      1. Antifa are the latest

        1. The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
          “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
          Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
          Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.

          Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry, on tye left OR right.

          Left – Right = Zero
          Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree.
          As the “traditional” left and right shrink toward extinction.
          While authoritarians, Left and Right, are bellowing like goobders, chirping like dodo birds.

      2. The IRA is not like the others, for many reasons…

  13. Exactly what was the rationale by antifa’s defenders that Ngo brought the attack on himself? That seems a pretty bold assertion that requires some explanation.

    1. A short skirt.

      Whenever you see a group of Scotsmen in skirts, it means they’re about to shout warrior cries and charge at you.

      Andy Ngo’s real name is Andrew MacNough.

    2. Ask the author.
      She seems to give to that claim equal weight as reality

    3. It isn’t complicated. The Antifa are a criminal conspiracy, they show up in masks to commit violence against people exercising their constitutional rights. This is a federal crime.

      If you show up with a camera and start documenting a crime, don’t expect the criminals to smile and pose for the camera.

      So, in a sense, Ngo went in there knowing his actions would get him attacked. But that was part of documenting that the Antifa are criminals, if they weren’t, Ngo would have been safe.

  14. “…cooperation from an unlikely quarter: According to Proud Boys chairman Enrique Tarrio, who flew in from Florida for the rally, “As soon as we landed, we spoke with Portland [Police Department]. I was telling them, look, you guys tell me what the best marching route is.””

    The Proud Boys want to cooperate with police so their demonstration is peaceful and isn’t disrupted. Why is this “unlikely”?

    Sounds like you’re both-sidesing the heck out of this, even when your own reporting shows it’s one side with the weapons, and the other side working with police to help exercise a 1st Amendment right of peaceable assembly.

    1. That is exactly what she is doing. If Antifa wasn’t there, the Proud Boys would march around Portland without incident. The violence that occurs is 100% the responsibility of antifa. Whatever you think of the Proud Boys, they are not violent the way antifa is.

      1. I don’t know much about the Proud Boys and I’m not sure whether or not I like them (I suppose such disclaimers are necessary nowadays), but as long as their assemblies are peaceful why should it be a problem? Much less a threat to democracy.

        1. Plus doing something legal simply because you’ve been threatened and told not to do it, is a proud American tradition.

        2. I don’t have a lot of use for the Proud Boys but they have a right to say and think what they want. They are not as far as I can see violent.

          1. I’ve debated on starting a local chapter. Just to piss off the area progressives. Then after the accusations of racism are leveled, I’ll turn over leadership to a black member.

            That will fuck with them.

            1. Area progressives hardest hit.

      2. But if Antifa weren’t there, neither would the Proud Boys.
        I think you are right and the Proud Boys are not starting any violent confrontations. They are being very careful not to. But it also seems like the possibility of confrontations with Antifa that are likely to become violent is a big part of the reason they are there.
        I’m not trying to say “both sides” are equally bad here. But it isn’t as if Proud Boys came to have a nice event and Antifa happened to show up. It was by design a confrontation with Antifa. Which I can sympathize with a bit. But I’m not sure it’s really going to accomplish anything good.

        1. The fact is, Antifa attacks and beats the shit out of anyone daring to say something in public they don’t like. The Proud Boys know that and object to it and show up and march to show Antifa it is still a free country.

          So, in that sense, yes the Proud Boys are instigating it. But they are only instigating it by doing what any person in this country does and should have a right to do in the first place.

          1. I definitely understand the impulse to do what they do. Like Eddy says below, it’s good old American contrarianism. “You can’t tell me what I can’t do”.
            If the left had any sane activists, they would be out marching in opposition to Antifa. But there don’t seem to be too many of those these days.

            1. The problem is Antifa won’t quit with running the Proud Boys out. Eventually they will come for everyone who doesn’t do exactly what they want.

              1. Eventually they will come for everyone who doesn’t do exactly what they want.

                I’m sure that’s what they think. But then they will find out that many Americans are perfectly capable of defending themselves.

                My take: Antifa won’t do much outside of a few weird cities that for some reason put up with their shit.
                That’s not to say that nothing should be done to stop them in places where they have gotten some kind of pass on their violence and bullying. But I don’t see them as a significant threat to anything.

                1. I think people will stand up as well. But, that fact doesn’t make the Proud Boys wrong for standing up now. Everyone should be standing up to Antifa now and not waiting until they happen to come for them.

                  1. To see what happens when you wear a MAGA hat in Seattle, check out Saleem n Dion on YouTube…assaults of all kinds…fists, eggs, milkshakes…screaming, crying, curses, and cops intervening often.

                2. Ok Zeb.
                  Try wearing a MAGA hat in public

                3. explain that to the federal offices in oregon that were blocked by Antifa or the speakers who were attacked by antifa in California. your right Antifa has never started anything. NOT

                  1. Did either of you actually read what I wrote? I never claimed that they haven’t started anything or caused problems or been violent against innocent people, or that there aren’t places where you will be assaulted for wearing a MAGA hat.
                    What I said is that I don’t think they are much of a threat outside of the insane enclaves where they have been allowed to get away with some awful shit. I could be wrong, but how about trying to explain why I might be wrong instead of talking about some things I never said.

                    1. OK, I will modify this:
                      But I don’t see them as a significant threat to anything.
                      Yes, they are a real threat to the people and institutions they are really threatening. That is happening. What I meant is that they aren’t really much of anything outside of the few places where they operate with impunity.
                      I think that eventually they will go over a line, or people will just get sick of their shit and shut it down. The only reason they are getting anywhere is that they are being allowed to commit crimes in broad daylight on the street.
                      Again, I could be wrong. If you think I am, address the things I am actually saying. If I’m wrong I want to know it.

                4. I think you’re underestimating the extent to which the universities are functioning as indoctrination machines. The Antifa are fed by a growing stream of left-wing lunatics.

                  Sooner or later they’ll start attacking events outside their protected enclaves. But they’ll probably change their tactics when they do. Start resorting to bombs, maybe, instead of personal violence.

                  1. Start resorting to bombs, maybe

                    Apparently they already have, unless this one dude was a “lone wolf” type deal.

          2. Citation needed fuckface.

            Antifa death count: [fill in the blank]
            Nazi death count: [fill in the blank]

            And don’t weasel your way out of this formulation. You’ve guilted by associated American liberals with Stalinism more times than can be counted.

            1. Antifa death count = 0
              Proud Boys death count = 0

              You not trying to use guilt by association on the Proud Boys are you?

            2. Tony, your premise, like you, is garbage. You continually insult decent patriotic people and support murderous traitors. Of course progressives are stalinistic. This is by design.

              Now quit denigrating patriotic people fight back against your fellow travelers. We are good, and you are evil.

            3. Do you mean ACTUAL Nazis?
              Do you mean ANYONE who called themselves “Anti-Fascist?”

              ACTUAL Nazis: 7.4 million Germans in the war, 5.9 million in the Holocaust, unknown number of foreign nationals attributable in combat.
              “Anti-Fascists”: 7.5 million in the Holodomor, 5 million in the Povolzhye famine, 2.3 million in the Kazakh famine, 77 million in the Great Leap Forward…honestly, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

              And don’t claim ALL of those groups wouldn’t (or DIDN’T) claim to be “anti-fascist.”

            4. Back to get your usual dosage of being told what a useless retarded faggot turd you are?

            5. “Fuckface”? You came in pretty hot right there, Tony, just to get shot down white-knighting for cowardly terrorists.

        2. I have no idea if it will do any good.

          But like I said, there’s a long American tradition of doing perfectly legal stuff simply because you’ve been threatened with violence or disruption if you do it. Sort of a way to say “(expletive deleted) you, we can do it if we want, and if you want us not to do it, stop trying to stop us from doing it!”

          1. Like open carry in a time of heightened awareness?

        3. “How dare someone confront antifa with their powerlessness to impose mob dictats!”

        4. But if Antifa weren’t there, neither would the Proud Boys.

          This.

          But not for the reasons you lay out.

          The Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, The Oathkeepers and all the rest of these groups are finally>/I> a response to the Left and the Democrats endless parade of violent terrorists who seek to silence the opposition–from the KKK all the way through to Antifa.

          And we better hope it’s not too little too late.

          This should have started right after the KKK did–the citizens should have greeted the klan with lead, and their supporters, ALL of them, with rope. And it should have kept going–any person whose ideology and actions are directed towards the forceful removal of the rights of Americans should be shown the exit.

          The progressives, the eugenicists, the socialists, the fascists, the communists–all of the left.

          The Proud Boys came to show support for Andy. To say that they were there to show that they would not allow this to happen again.

          They were there to defend against leftist violence.

          Antifa was there to engage in more leftist violence.

          If you can’t see the difference you need help.

        5. They’re there to stand up to those terrorists, who have violently occupied Portland for over a year.

      3. If Antifa wasn’t there, the Proud Boys_____________ would march around Portland______________ without incident. The violence that occurs is 100% the responsibility of antifa.
        Could be said for almost every incident involving antifa.

    2. I think they just want to provoke the left into showing their true colors. That in and of itself is political speech.

    3. Sounds like you’re both-sidesing the heck out of this

      Oh, yeah. I knew that when I read that people wearing black face masks were carrying black umbrellas to shield their faces from the press, despite the fact that we’ve seen multiple videos of people being hit and beaten with the umbrellas.

      It’s not even surprising from Reason anymore.

      1. Speaking Truth to Power
        OMIGOD! bad.casual is incensed, INCENSED that Reason favors the “alt-left” ….

        despite the fact that we’ve seen multiple videos of people being hit and beaten with the umbrellas.

        (sneer) BEND OVER while I jam ONE video up your pathetic ass (gleeful grin)

        The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
        “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
        Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
        Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence … and cold-blooded murder.
        Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry.

        These are Racists and Jew-Haters. In Charlottesville and here.

        Take NEITHER side, Left – Right = Zero
        Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree. As the “traditional” left and right shrink toward extinction. Replaced by Authoritarian THUGS, left and right, roaring like dinosaurs, chirping like dodo birds.

        How many will RAGE and DENY undeniable video PROOF?
        As over a dozen already have, on this page.

        1. Hihnfaggot, why are you a racist bigot?

          1. Racist = opposing racism?
            Thus, Trump is not a racist, because he does not oppose racism.
            Who’s your strategist, George Custer?

            1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano hates it when his commie butt-buddies are criticized.

            2. Hihnfaggot, why did you change socks to reply to me? We all know it’s you. And you are a vicious bigot.

              1. “Racists oppose racism” say the goobers!

                The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
                “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
                Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
                Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.

                Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry, on the left OR right.

                Left – Right = Zero
                Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree.
                As the “traditional” left and right shrink toward extinction.
                While authoritarians, Left and Right, bellow like goobers and whine like pussies.

  15. Speaking of Portland – OK, it’s off-topic –

    Hippie types disrupt Mass to protest non-woke African priest.

    http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/portland-parish-protests-new-priests-policies

    1. Racist white people disrupt African man trying to do his job.

    2. What is it with lefties wanting to be in places they hate? These old geezers could just go join the Episcopalians or Unitarians and it would all be cool. Instead, everything has to bend to their will or they throw a tantrum.

    3. How many times can Eddy be a total hate-spewing psycho?
      Applauded by John!!! And CDRSchafer!!!!!
      ALL DEFENDING THE KKK.

      This is RIGHT-WING … anti-immigrant … AGGRESSION, (ROFLMAO)

      PORTLAND — Parishioners of St. Francis of Assisi Parish in the Archdiocese of Portland staged a protest against their pastor during a June 30 Mass.

      The Oregonian uploaded a video of the protests Aug. 11. The video shows elderly parishioners dressed in white, carrying signs into the assembly during the Eucharistic consecration, and attempting to shout down the pastor, Father George Kuforiji, during the Mass. Other parishioners are shown looking visibly uncomfortable at the disturbance.

      The protests reportedly concern Father Kuforiji’s decision to remove unauthorized changes to the liturgy which had become common in the parish over previous years, and to take down a sign at the entrance to the church saying “Immigrants & Refugees welcome.”

      READY … FIRE …. AIM.

      1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano only supports freedom of association in one direction.

        1. Even if true, how does that change Eddy, John and CDRSchafer being PROVEN liars? … And you BABBLING off-topic, to ALSO defend the KKK?

  16. Interesting how the narrative of how the Proud Boys are facist, racist, white supremacists who spread hate is always repeated by and never critically questioned by anyone in the media. They may be, but none of these stories provide evidence to that fact. The media simply repeat it as if it’s a known fact. I’ve yet to see any actions by the Proud Boys to indicate that. I have seen video evidence that Antifa is racist and hateful and use fascist tactics.

    1. The author of this piece would be kicked out of all of her social circles if she dared to even consider the possibility that the Proud Boys are not one and the same with the SA.

    2. If AlmightyJB has not seen it, then it never happened.
      Just as Tucker Carlson says white supremacists are a hoax, because he’s never MET one. (DJT?)

      Will the inconvenient truth EVER prevail?
      https://reason.com/2019/08/19/proud-boys-and-antifa-playact-protest-in-portland/#comment-7900588
      Not for the Authoritarian Left or the Authoritarian Right, competing for who can whine the loudest. Who can “win” by shouting down any and all disagreement For the glory of mindless conformity.

      1. Fuck off, hihn

        1. (sneer) Your FAILURE … to shut me down, thug.

          1. (sneer) Your FAILURE…to sustain a marriage, Dumbfuck Hihnsano.

            1. PROVE IT, PSYCHO

    3. I was thinking the same thing. Who are they, what do they actually believe? I don’t hear that from any source. Just “alt-right” or “white supremacist”. “Alt-right” is probably fair. But as far as I can figure out, they are about the superiority of Western culture, but not really about any kind of racial superiority. But no one on the left seems to be able to make that distinction these days.

      1. THAT’S WHAT “WESTERN CULTURE” MEANS to Trump and his loyal puppets.
        1) KLearn geography
        2) WHY ELSE WOULD A PRESIDENT LIE, SO SHAMELESSLY TO DEFEND modern Nazis and the KKK of assaults and murder?

        https://reason.com/2019/08/19/proud-boys-and-antifa-playact-protest-in-portland/#comment-7900588

        But no one on the left seems to be able to make that distinction these days.

        They are not as bigoted as you. And it’s NOT just “the left.” Will YOU deny absolute proof?

        1. Oh my god. Get a grip you fucking weirdo.

          1. Why can only a weirdo call you out as a liar … amd PROVE IT?
            Trump’s Brownshirts.

            1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano knows about lies because he does it all the time.

              That’s why he claimed handguns had been completely outlawed in the UK, then changed his copypasta when I humiliated him and got his sockpuppet nuked.

              (dances around fetchingly)

              1. GUNTARDS BE PSYCHOS

                http://www.bbc.com/news/10216955
                The deaths led to a nationwide campaign for even greater gun controls. The campaign succeeded in making it illegal to buy or possess a handgun, something which had been excluded from the legislation passed after Hungerford.

                1. Spoken like a true lefty.

                  1. Prove Red Rocks full of shit

                    Tricky Vic — if only lefty’s post PROOF and FACTS,. you are PROUD to be a bullshitter (snort)

            2. The Proud Boys are good, and Antifa is evil. You’re evil too.

    4. The Proud Boys have plenty of Jews, blacks and Latinos among their members. They even have a chapter in Tel Vic started by some IDF soldiers. And nothing screams ‘Nazi’ like a group of Jewish Israeli soldiers, right?

        1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano promotes white supremacy with a Bing search.

          1. Whiny pussy, when PROVEN a liar … goes CRAZIER

  17. Typical protest (without counterprotesters):

    “Maple street is closed today for a protest. I don’t know what it’s about – the rain forest or Confederate statues or something.”

    1. Eventually someone will get around to asking whether we really need Confederate statues in our rainforests.

      1. In Portland.

        1. In Brazil.

          Scroll down to “Confederado Monument with the surnames of the families and the Confederate flag in Cemitério dos Americanos”

          https://www.alabamapioneers.com/brazil-alabama-confederacy/

  18. Where will it end? Where did it begin?
    It began in Charlottesville, and the President’s treasonous lie that the “alt-left” launched the violence, and cold-blooded murder, as he shamefully defended the very worst of hateful bigots: today’s version of Nazi gas chambers and KKK lynchings.

    The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
    “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
    Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
    Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.

    Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry.

    These are Racists and Jew-Haters. Ivanka and Jared are Jewish. Trump threw his own daughter under a bus. SHAMEFUL.

    Left – Right = Zero
    Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree.
    The “traditional” left and right shrink toward extinction. As we now see authoritarians, both left and right, roaring like dinosaurs, chirping like dodo birds.

    1. At least I admitted when my story was off-topic.

      What does your story have to do with the Proud Boys?

      1. Nothing. It is Hihn. He is batshit crazy. Just ignore him and try not to make eye contact.

        1. Keep proving us right, John … as you laughingly dismiss undeniable video proof as “batshit crazy.”

          Who posts facts and sources, to inform? Who initiates unprovoked personal assaults, to oppress truth? (yawn)

          (Posted in self-defense of aggression, by a raging conservatard).
          In Nazi Germany, brownshirts patrolled city streets and public venues, physically beating and suppressing any and all “disloyalty” to the Master Race, private citizens who fueled Hitler’s rise to power and atrocities. The same thuggish “mentality” as cyber-terrorists in this digital age. Sad.

          1. See Jeter, whatever you do, do not make eye contact.

          2. Keep proving us right Hihn. You can do that by linking one of your previous posts. Yeah, that will do it.

            1. SHAMEFUL, TrickyVic, the ONLY link in this thread is to an OFF-SITE video, PROVING Trump a psycho liar.

              And now you. even worse

      2. What do Americans have to do with the Revolutionaries?

    2. Well thank you for sharing this with me, I was under the impression that the initial assault was a bunch of woke pantywaist SJW virtue signalers attacking a bunch of statues.

      But I suppose anybody can cherry-pick a specific point along the timeline and mark it as “where it all started”.

      1. Pretty much that. Antifa came there for the specific purpose of starting a riot. Once they did that, and it appears they did, they should have been held just as criminally responsible for that woman’s death as the loser who murdered her.

        1. +100

          1. PROOF OF A PSYCHOPATH!!!

            NOW watch John LIE ABOUT VIDEO PROOF … Why? …. TO JUSTIFY COLD-BLOODED MURDER (vomit)

            > Antifa came there for the specific purpose of starting a riot.

            Who were the ONLY ones who came ARMED … and carrying RIOT SHIELDS …and DID launch the assaults and MURDER ,…… with video PROOF!

            Once they did that, and it appears they did,

            ONLY A PSYCHO WOULD DENY UNDENIABLE VIDEO PROOF … REPEATEDLY

            https://reason.com/2019/08/19/proud-boys-and-antifa-playact-protest-in-portland/#comment-7900588

            NOW … HOW SHAMELESS CAN ANY HUMAN BE?
            THIS is BELOW the bottom of the barrel.

            they should have been held just as criminally responsible for that woman’s death as the loser who murdered her.Even if John had NOT been PROVEN a PSYCHOPATHIC LIAR …. how would that justify MURDER, you shameless excuse for a human being?

          2. ANOTHER LAME EXCUSE FOR MURDER
            ANOTHER SHAMELESS DENIAL OF ABSOLUTE PROOF! (shudder)
            ANOTHER LAME EXCUSE FOR MURDER
            ANOTHER SHAMELESS DENIAL OF ABSOLUTE PROOF! (shudder)

            loveconstitution1789
            +100

            As Reagan and Goldwater weep in silent shame.
            And the Christ, Jesus, sobs uncontrollably.

            loveconstitution1789
            +100

            As Reagan and Goldwater weep in silent shame.
            And the Christ, Jesus, sobs uncontrollably.

            1. You know nothing of Reagan, or Goldwater, while i know everything. You are a drooling ignorant communist.

              1. He’s become a parody of himself. I find it funny. Like a clown.

      2. Watch the video, else you make a total public ass of yourself, like Jerryskids and John! So far. (sneer).

        They WHINE that the “alt-left” MAY have launched the assault … which is WHY they later stood there, peacefully and unarmed, as nazis marched toward them, armed with clubs and carrying riot-type shields… BECAUSE the Nazis so beloved by John and Jerrryskids are SO pure and loving, they could FORGIVE even an unprovoked assault against them. (swoon)

        UNDERSTANDING undeniable proof requires an IQ only a bit higher than a box of rocks.

        As other thugs join in …. who launched the unprovoked assaults HERE? And defended same in Charlottesville? (See box of rocks above)

        Make my day!

        1. What video? The one of you shutting your diapers, then masturbating while you eat your own shit?

          No thanks, commie.

          1. Last of the Shitheads
            What video? The one of you shutting your diapers, then masturbating while you eat your own shit?THIS video, you sick fuck

            The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
            “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
            Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
            Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.

            Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry.

            These are Racists and Jew-Haters. Ivanka and Jared are Jewish.
            Trump threw his own daughter under a bus. SHAMEFUL.

            Left – Right = Zero
            Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree.

            1. You are a fascist subversive. Kill yourself.

              1. If you also kill yourself, Last of the Shitferbrains, this website would improve immeasureably.

                1. Aww go clutch your blankie and wait for daddy to play that bedtime game you love.

      3. I was under the impression that the initial assault was a bunch of woke pantywaist SJW virtue signalers attacking a bunch of statues.

        What? You’d have to be crazy as a hihn to think that!

        Or someone who took the time to sift through the dreck and watch the whole freaking thing from the tiki parade forwards.

        1. BULLSHIT AZATHOTH

          The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
          “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
          Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
          Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.

          Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry.

          Left – Right = Zero
          Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree.

          1. Michael, as I have often pointed out in our conversations, that is not the ‘initial assault’.

            I’m truly sorry. But you need to, as I noted, sift through all the video from that awful day to get an accurate picture.

            But, I understand, I have deigned to speak to Michael Hihn. There will be no rational response. You will re-post the same disjointed snippets you always post.

            I do not know if you are capable, anymore, of forming a rational statement–never mind a cohesive argument, but I will always try.

            1. Why is Azathoth the CRAZIEST goober here?

              as I have often pointed out in our conversations, that is not the ‘initial assault’.

              LIAR … and PSYCHO

              FIFTH CORRECTION
              Claims the “alt-left” launched an assault on his beloved nazis and racists … then just STOOD THERE, UNARMED … as ARMED nazis and racists, carrying clubs and shields marched en masse for revenge.

              THAT is why!!!!

    3. The first time I ever posted on Reason was to respond to Hihn the day after Charlottesville. I had no idea then that he was bat-shit crazy and was not interested in dialogue other than with the voices in his head.

      For everyone else, I will just repeat what I said then. The counter-protestors were engaged in violence. The protestors had a permit to be in the park and the counter-protestors did not. Just because they were holding hands and singing does not mean they were not engaged an inherently violent act.

      Restraint is violence. Ergo, pushing your way past someone blocking you is self-defense. Violence is justified when it is in self-defense. Both the police and the courts recognized this.

      I know Hihn will disagree. To that end, I would advocate that he tie himself to a concrete block with a short rope and step off the end of any pier to test my theory of restraint as violence. If he doesn’t drown, I will fully admit that I am wrong.

      1. Chuckles the Snarky Piggy (well-named) … another LAME bullshitter
        THIS GIGANTIC MISFUCK SAYS VIOLENCE IS … WAIT FOR IT …HOLDING HANDS AND SINGING!

        Will THIS goober assault YOUR CHURCH CHOIR … in self-defense?

        The counter-protestors were engaged in violence. The protestors had a permit to be in the park and the counter-protestors did not.

        THE ASSAULT WAS ON CITY STREETS!
        https://reason.com/2019/08/19/proud-boys-and-antifa-playact-protest-in-portland/#comment-7900588

        Just because they were holding hands and singing does not mean they were not engaged an inherently violent act.

        (smirk)

        I know Hihn will disagree.

        With RIDICULE. And the Constitution you so despise
        *FREEDOM OF SPEECH
        *FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY.

        THIS is Trump’s core base.

        1. Chuckles offered you ABSOLUTE PROOF, which you denied. You are a liar. The left were the villains in Charlottesville, and are always the villains. Just like you.

          You’re with the terrorists!

          1. FEEL THE HATRED!
            Fascists deny the undeniable. Claim ASSERTIONS are proof.

            The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
            “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
            Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
            Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.

            Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry, on the right AND left.

            Left – Right = Zero
            Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree.

            1. God bless Trump, and goddamn the Hihnfaggot.

      2. Chuckles’ BIGGEST lie. Is there NO limit for these people???

        Both the police and the courts recognized this.

        (SNEER)
        4 men charged in violent Charlottesville rally described as ‘serial rioters’

        Three members of a white supremacist group were sentenced to prison Friday for kicking, choking and punching multiple people during the 2017 “United the Right” rally in Charlottesville and other rallies in California. The three were members of the California-based militant white supremacist organization “Rise Above Movement.” The group no longer exists, according to the attorney’s office.

        A fourth defendant, Cole Evan White, will be sentenced at a later date, the attorney’s office said.

        “These defendants, motivated by hateful ideology, incited and committed acts of violence in Charlottesville, as well at other purported political rallies in California,” U.S. Attorney Thomas T. Cullen said.

        “They were not interested in peaceful protest or lawful First Amendment expression; instead, they intended to provoke and engage in street battles with those that they perceived as their enemies.”Who provides documented proof?
        Who punishes truth with lies, ignorance and unprovoked assaults (like their heroes in Charlottesville)?

        1. Hihn, it looks like it’s time to get your local mental health officials involved. They can cart you off to the sanitarium,, again. This time they should permanently commit you until it’s time for hospice.

          1. MORE RAGING HATRED AT ABSOLUTE PROOF

            PROOF THAT CHUCKLES IS AS PSYCHO AS ProudToBeAShitlord.

            1. Yep, plenty of time for your raging hatred when you’re in a padded cell

              1. What the fuck is wrong with that dude?

                1. What kind of psycho denies absolute video proof???
                  (A Trumptard)

  19. http://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1162815805840510976

    Some guy named Ian Miles Choeng gives what should be the photograph of the year maybe the decade here.

    1. Holy fuck that is sweet.
      I have a ‘friend’ on social media who has a ‘friend’ who claims to be in AntiFA…I wonder if it is in one of those pictures.

    2. Caption contest for what they black dude is thinking!

  20. http://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1162831742492762112

    The Karl Marx doll in the background is too perfect

    1. Can a PHOTO reveal more than a FULL action video — showing both the prelude and the assault? Trumpsters think so.

      https://reason.com/2019/08/19/proud-boys-and-antifa-playact-protest-in-portland/#comment-7900588

      Left – Right = Zero
      Two sides of the same authoritarian coin.

      1. Can Hihn be anymore crazy? You have been banned a dozen times Hihn. No one wants you here.

        1. But JOHN is NOT a THUGGISH BULLY, and he’s PROUD to be called out as a LIAR and THUG … seven times on this page alone!

          Can Hihn be anymore crazy? You have been banned a dozen times Hihn. No one wants you here.

          “Crazy” = video PROOF.
          Behold the Charlottesville “Mind”

          I take screenshots every 15 minutes, If the comments manager punishes me AGAIN for defending libertarian values … I’ll have his or her ass even worse than yours,

          It was FIVE times, and I have screenshots that ALL were attacking libertarian values over massive assaults the alt-right thuggery.

          LIBERTY CANNOT BE SILENCED

          1. I’ll have to talk to the content manager about putting together a case for a TRO against you. We will petition the judge to have you enjoined from using any sort of Internet connected device. Even from the mental hospital where you will soon be involuntary committed.

            Your online enemies list is ABSOLUTE PROOF of your ongoing threat others and yourself.

            1. HOW psycho can aggression be?

              I’ll have to talk to the content manager about putting together a case for a TRO against you. We will petition the judge to have you enjoined from using any sort of Internet connected device. Even from the mental hospital where you will soon be involuntary committed.

              PERHAPS worse than even Donald and Adolph?

              1. Even worse. Maybe they will give you a lobotomy. I will direct them to do so.

                1. Hey, Nick, Why did your people shut down his ASSAULT for review …. and then APPROVE IT????

                  MORE EVIDENCE!

                2. Hey, Nick, Why did your people shut down his ASSAULT for review …. and then APPROVE IT????

                  MORE EVIDENCE! (screenshot)

    2. OMFG!!!

      NOW John says a DOLL is worse than MASS ASSAULTS and MURDER!
      Can there BE any more proof of hatred and bigotry?
      Linking to a twitter-psycho.

      COUNT HOW MANY ASSAULTS I LAUNCHED BY SIMPLY LINKING TO …. proof! (gasp)

      https://reason.com/2019/08/19/proud-boys-and-antifa-playact-protest-in-portland/#comment-7900588

      1. See people, never make eye contact with Hihn. Just put a quarter in his cup and move along.

        1. A quarter? How about a fresh dog turd, instead?

          1. He is just a lunatic.

            1. John: He is just a lunatic
              TheLibertyTruthTeller: I know you are, but what am I?
              Dturtleman: A fresh dog turd
              TheLibertyTruthTeller: I know you are, but what am I?

              Amazing performance by what one would peg as a most annoying 3-year old. Yet; seems to have a little better sentence development than most 3-year olds.

              Oh, wait — I know!! Its a Liberal.

    1. The dancing unicorn is awesome.

      PROOF:
      the alt-right equates PROOF of their mass assaults. beatings and MURDER with …. dancing … and DEFENDING cripples.

      (They’re playing to their fellow brownshirts, with NO concern for informed readers, or those seeking truth. The mob mentality. Sad)

      1. My god you are a crazy son of a bitch. Wow.

        1. Do yourself a favor John and pretend he doesn’t exist. He’s only here to provoke a response so don’t give him one.

        2. PROOF: the alt-right equates PROOF of their mass assaults. beatings and MURDER with …. dancing … and DEFENDING cripples. (calling out John’s twitter links)
          (They’re playing to their fellow brownshirts, with NO concern for informed readers, or those seeking truth. The mob mentality. Sad)

          My god you are a crazy son of a bitch. Wow.

          (sneer) Check those twitter leaks, compare with video PROOF of Charlottesville guilty that he and his “comrades” want to SUPPRESS.
          https://reason.com/2019/08/19/proud-boys-and-antifa-playact-protest-in-portland/#comment-7900588

          LIBERTY CANNOT BE SILENCED … especially by cowardly, lying psychos

          1. Liberty won’t be silenced, even by you.

  21. I realize Antifa greatly outnumbered the Nazis, but that’s not reason FOX News has to take the side of the Nazis.

    1. Fox didn’t take Antifa’s side as far as I have heard. Antifa was the only national socialist organization there.

      1. Dude, Antifa aren’t nazis. Nazis are people who wear black and smash storefronts.

        1. Nazis are literally the people Antifa exists to protest against.

          That you people are Nazi sympathizers shouldn’t could your basic observational skills.

          1. And Kim Jung Il is really a Democrat.

            1. Yeah, agreed, Nazis are not the same thing as Nordic democratic socialists. Equally white though.

              1. Tony, you and your friends are the Nazis. The people you argue with here, and the Proud Boys are the good guys, fighting for freedom. Case closed.

                1. Proud Boys are a bunch of jobless faggots who can’t wait to be fodder in a civil war.

                  1. Speaking from experience, NYP?

                  2. Awww gonna start a slap fight?

              2. Hey Tony — Do you not realize the contradiction Antifa is.. It popped up in your very comment…. “Equally white though.”

                If that is not the most racist, fascist statement I have ever heard!!!!

                Yet, Antifa entire premise is exactly that! Running around being the most racist and fascist groups to hit the U.S. all the while claiming to be against racism and fascism…

                It’s the wolf in sheep’s clothing.

                1. They are entirely irrelevant to me. The only time I hear about them is when I hate-watch FOX News. It’s a bait for stupid assholes.

                  They still outnumbered the Nazis though.

                  1. What’s hilarious is lowbrow hick garbage like you think you’re intelligent and educated just because you’re the one doofus who finished a coloring book in your inbred retard Okie town. Just kill yourself toy retarded faggot Okie douche.

                    1. Because you seem like someone who grew up in a cosmopolitan metropolis.

            2. Well, it is the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

          2. It is rotten and dismal that a world of so many hundred million people should be ruled by a single caste that has the power to lead millions to life or to death, indeed on a whim…This caste has spun its web over the entire earth; capitalism recognizes no national boundaries…Capitalism has learned nothing from recent events and wants to learn nothing, because it places its own interests ahead of those of the other millions. Can one blame those millions for standing up for their own interests, and only for those interests? Can one blame them for striving to forge an international community whose purpose is the struggle against corrupt capitalism? Can one condemn a large segment of the educated Stürmer youth for protesting against the greatest ability? Is it not an abomination that people with the most brilliant intellectual gifts should sink into poverty and disintegrate, while others dissipate, squander, and waste the money that could help them? … You say the old propertied class also worked hard for what it has. Granted, that may be true in many cases. But do you also know about the conditions under which workers were living during the period when capitalism “earned” its fortune?

            — Joseph Goebbels, NAZI.

            1. Don’t you people spend much of your time bitching about the intellectual class?

              1. What do you mean, ‘you people’?

                1. Far-right assholes. You’re all the same. Even across generations. It’s ludicrous.

                  Yeah, this time the college professors really are wrong, what with their book lernin’! Off to Siberia!

                  1. Tony, the trash that call the,selves college professors are not intellectual. Neither are you. You’re all very stupid.

                    It’s part of your progtardation. You should all go drink Drano, right away.

                    1. lol… Progressive Education = progtardation… Well said.

              2. Oh Anthony, I thought you went to pray the gay away

                1. Why, do you know where someone is doing that near me? I do have a slight fetish for showing Christian boys the light.

                  1. I don’t hang out with the religious. They, like leftists, are mentally deficient.

            2. Hey, Diane! SHAME ON YOU .. FOR DEFENDING NAZIS AND RACISTS.
              YOU LOSE … AGAIN!!!

              The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
              “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
              Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
              Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.

              Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry, left OR right.

              Left – Right = Zero
              Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree.

              1. I know you are but what am I?

              2. Diane didn’t defend anyone. But we all get that you don’t understand that and you will continue to post the same thing, over and over and over.

                You are a leftist one trick pony.

          3. No, Nazis are the people that the Antifa of the 1930s were fighting against (while promoting a similarly evil and destructive ideology themselves).
            Antifa aren’t Nazis and neither are Proud Boys. Stop it.

            1. Antifa more closely identofy with communist subversives. Like the Rosenbergs.

            2. When you’re out at the Nazi/Commie end of things, arguing the differences is like arguing the difference between strangulation and hanging. The Antifa are one, and thus similar to the other.

              The Proud Boys are neither.

          4. My god you really one repulsive pile of shit. Fucking kill yourself you retarded inbred turd.

  22. The Antifa Brown Shirts should move to a more welcoming country, such as Cuba, North Korea or Venezuela or some other totalitarian country.
    Their beliefs and tactics would be welcomed with open arms there.
    Why is it I get the Antifa jack offs are really the New Nazi Party of America?

    1. Because you are dyslexic on a holistic scale?

      1. Hey Tony, at least you’ve got Hihn in your side. A delusional, senile, moron who rants and raves incoherently. That’s you pal here. Plus that child rapist, Buttplug.

        At Reason, you’re ‘The Squad’. Have fun with that, asshole.

    2. UNCLE JAY … supports his tribe of vermin, with typical a!

      The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
      “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
      Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
      Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.

      Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry, left OR right.

      Left – Right = Zero
      Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree.
      As the “traditional” left and right shrink toward extinction, AUTHORITARIANS, both left and right, are now braying like jackasses, chirping like dodo birds, and bullying like the thugs they BOTH are..

      1. Yep, gonna lock you up in an insane asylum. Just like Miggs.

  23. Good job of reporting what most everyone not on the fringe knows…these events accomplish absolutely nothing.

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  25. I think it’s important for everyday anti-fascists to come out and show that this city opposes the bigots that oftentimes infiltrate our city,

    Sounds like Portland is a hotbed of bigotry and fascism; better stay away.

  26. Andy Ngo did a great job play-acting a brain hemorrhage.

    1. Amd all he needed to do it was a brain hemorrhage!

  27. Good reporting of an actual event by a journalist. Wish we had more of that. Too bad that it doesn’t include more photos. If he had a photographer it would spruce it up.

    The whole thing is pretty funny actually. The writer captures the silliness going on.

  28. The mayor is a joke.

    It’s pretty simple. Those who attack people will be immediately arrested.

    Doesn’t matter what they are saying. 1A is pretty absolute.

    Let me guess the usual set of dipshits can’t comprehend this?

  29. Could the FBI please Gitmo Last of the Shitferbrains so at least he’d stop shitting up these threads?
    Thanks in advance.

    1. Awww gonna go play bad touch with your priest later?

  30. Only one side in this conflict are terrorists, and any honest report would say so. “Antifa” (really anti-First-Amendment) exists in order to forcibly prevent speech events by conservatives.

    And if Portland’s mayor really didn’t want terrorism there, he would not have ordered Portland’s police to stand down rather than arrest, or better yet shoot, the sons of bitches. He needs to go to prison.

    1. The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
      “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
      Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
      Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.

      Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry, on the left OR right.

      Left – Right = Zero
      Libertarians have said that for 50 years. A growing majority of Americans now agree.
      As the “traditional” left and right shrink toward extinction.
      While authoritarians, Left and Right, are braying like jackasses, whining like pussies and chirping like dodo birds.

  31. Still think it’s hilarious that Antifa is generally whiter than the Proud Boys, who, regardless of what you think, aren’t actually white supremacists, just assholes. There are a billion bad things people can be other than white supremacists, but that is the only word in the left’s dictionary to describe anything bad.

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  33. Hey look! The “Liberal paradise” of free-stuff and social-justice migrated/spread from CA into OR.

    Funny – Not sure they got their free-stuff or social justice but they sure as heck are bringing gang land to the streets of Portland. They have so much in common with ISIS its not even funny.

    1. Democrats borrow trillions to pay for free stuff.
      Republicans borrow trillions for free tax cuts.

      But Trump’s GOP are the worst EVER on debt, and the worst in 25 years on the economy, … called out by even FOX NEWS

      FOX NEWS: Trump in big trouble for 2020. Political and economic warning signs there for all to see

      The strong economy Trump touts is anything but and the signs are obvious.

      First, Trump cut taxes and said it would pay for itself. Instead, it has exploded the deficit. President Barack Obama inherited a trillion-dollar budget deficit in 2009, but it was down to $600 billion by the time he left office. In just two years, thanks to tax cuts, Trump has taken the deficit back to a trillion dollars. And on “Fox News Sunday,” White House Economic Advisor Larry Kudlow admitted that the administration is looking at more tax cuts.

      Next, Trump said China would bear the costs of his trade war with them. Really? Trump’s suspension of additional tariffs is an admission that they have been hurting American consumers despite his claims to the contrary. In the Fox News Poll, 46 percent said tariffs were hurting the economy. Americans know the cost of everything has increased while their paychecks haven’t increased.

      The fact is Trump’s best economic growth is 3.5 percent in two quarters out of the 10 quarters he’s been in office, CNBC’s John Harwood reports, adding that same growth figure, 3.5 percent, is Obama’s seventh best quarter, George W. Bush’s eighth best, and Bill Clinton’s 17th best. Yet, Trump claims his economy is the best ever. Far from it.

      If that wasn’t bad enough, a staggering 59 percent of voters think Trump is tearing the country apart.

      Fox News leaves Trumpsters all alone, twisting in the wind …

      Obama inherited the 2nd worst economy since the 1930s
      Trump started with the longest recovery EVER for an incoming President … FROM OBAMA … and is WORSE than Obama on the economy and the worst EVER on debt, which he campaigned on PAYING OFF!

      The REPUBLICAN New Deal! = the biggest clusterfuck since FDR!

      Left – Right = Zero

  34. What I really love is that McKelvey guy’s channeling of George Wallace and Orval Faubus whining about ‘outside agitators’ .

  35. This has always bugged me.

    Hihn always posts this, but I never see it where I can play it.

    The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs

    So today, I made a point of taking a look at it

    It’s from Unicorn Riot, and it’s posted under this header–

    Trump just said antifa started fight on sat by “charging in swinging clubs” at racists. Video shows the opposite

    And there is, in fact, a guy in there who’s swinging a club headed into a line of people blocking the road.

    But this is not the beginning. This piece of footage comes from AFTER the group was expelled from the park–just after. There were a few points where counterprotesters blocked the road as the alt-right group were leaving and the groups clashed.

    Trump may have been talking about when they were in and around the park, or when they were first expelled and were exiting through the police line (where there were scuffles while the police watched).

    There’s a lot of footage, and, depending on your POV you can make either side evil.

    But this piece, that Hihn keeps posting, is not, at all, from the beginning of the protest.

    1. And there is, in fact, a guy in there who’s swinging a club headed into a line of people blocking the road.

      PSYCHO LIAR … There were DOZENS of alt-right assailants.

      PROOF, for those who CARE

      The initial assault, Charlottesville– Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs


      “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
      Alt-Right Fascists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
      Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence.
      Shame on Trump and ANYONE who defends lies, hatred and bigotry, on the left OR right.

      MORE PROOF ….

      1. Part 2

        4 men charged in violent Charlottesville rally described as ‘serial rioters’

        Three members of a white supremacist group were sentenced to prison Friday for kicking, choking and punching multiple people during the 2017 “United the Right” rally in Charlottesville and other rallies in California. The three were members of the California-based militant white supremacist organization “Rise Above Movement.”

        A fourth defendant, Cole Evan White, will be sentenced at a later date, the attorney’s office said.

        “These defendants, motivated by hateful ideology, incited and committed acts of violence in Charlottesville, as well at other purported political rallies in California,” U.S. Attorney Thomas T. Cullen said.

        “They were not interested in peaceful protest or lawful First Amendment expression; instead, they intended to provoke and engage in street battles with those that they perceived as their enemies.”

        Trump’s own DOJ says he’s FULL OF SHIT ,… under oath. OMG
        Have you NO SHAME AT ALL?

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