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Libertarians and Never Trump Republicans Court Justin Amash to Run for President

Plus: Democratic candidates still in shock about Daenerys Targaryen

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The House Freedom Caucus voted to condemn Rep. Justin Amash (R–Mich.) over the latter's suggestion that President Trump did indeed commit obstruction of justice, and should be impeached for it.

Amash is one of the founding members of the House Freedom Caucus, which came into existence in 2015 with the aim of pushing a Tea Party agenda in Congress. These days, it is little more than a pro-Trump cheerleading squad. Every member who attended the Monday meeting voted to formally oppose Amash, according to The Washington Examiner. (Amash was not in attendance.)

With the president and his sycophants in full attack mode, the effort to persuade Amash to join the Libertarian Party and run for president is intensifying. According to The Hill:

"There are a lot of Libertarian Party members actively encouraging Rep. Amash to switch parties and seek the Libertarian nomination," said Nicholas Sarwark, the chairman of the Libertarian National Committee. "This is probably the most organized recruitment effort I've seen going back to 2012 when people were trying to recruit [former Texas Rep.] Ron Paul."

If he were to run as a Libertarian, Amash could have a big effect on the 2020 presidential race. He would be expected to perform well in Michigan, which is one of Trump's must-win states. For this reason, those in the Trump orbit might come to regret running him out of the Republican Party, if that is indeed what happens.

Amash's principled stance on Trump has already drawn a primary challenge from a state representative, Jim Lower, who describes himself as "Pro-Trump, Pro-Life, Pro-Jobs, Pro-2nd Amendment, and Pro-Family Values," in that order.

FREE MINDS

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D–NY), one of two dozen or so Democrats running for president, is very unhappy about the ending of Game of Thrones.

"I hated it," she told NowThis, a news video site. "I hated the last three episodes."

SPOILERS: Gillibrand took issue with the last season's treatment of Daenerys Targaryen, who suddenly became a psychotic dictator, killed thousands of innocent civilians, vowed to bring fire and blood to every corner of the world, and was assassinated by Jon Snow.

"She came to power over many years and many struggles as the Breaker of Chains," said Gillibrand. "She's someone who made sure the lowest income, the least empowered, could have a voice and that's who she was. Her goal was to reform government and make sure it represented the people first."

That's true but it is not at all inconsistent with Dany's turn toward illiberal means to achieve her ends. Many a mass-murdering tyrant has professed to doing only what is necessary to rescue the enslaved, provide for the poor, and reform government to obey the people.

With several Democratic presidential candidates signaling that they love Game of Thrones—likely part of a misguided effort to seem relatable to young people—we should hope they internalize the lesson that power corrupts even the well-intentioned.

FREE MARKETS

Google is complying with the Trump administration's decision to blacklist Chinese tech company Huawei as a threat to national security. According to CNN:

Google is restricting Huawei's access to its Android operating system and apps after the Trump administration blacklisted the Chinese tech firm.

The move is a huge blow to Huawei, whose goal is to be the top smartphone brand by the end of 2020.

Last week, the Trump administration barred American companies from selling to Huawei without a US government license in a significant escalation of the trade war with China.

"We are complying with the order and reviewing the implications," a Google spokesperson said on Monday. Huawei, the world's No. 2 smartphone seller, relies on a suite of Google (GOOGL) services for its devices, including the Android system and the Google Play app store.

The Silicon Valley giant is suspending much of that access, according to multiple reports, after Washington placed Huawei on a list of foreign firms deemed to undermine American national security or foreign policy interests. Listed companies are barred from receiving components and software unless the trade is licensed.

QUICK HITS

  • President Trump instructed former White House Counsel Don McGahn to refuse to testify before Congress.
  • Snowflakes on the right: Alabama Public Television decided not to air the most recent episode of the kids' program Arthur, which features a gay wedding.
  • Actress Emilia Clarke discusses the Thrones finale and the burden of knowing for two years that her character was going to break bad.
  • DCist, a local news site, doxed the proprietor of the popular Unsuck DC Metro Twitter account, which tweets about the unreliability of DC's public transportation system and the lazy incompetence of its employees. (We stand with you, Unsuck!)
  • A new Knight Foundation survey finds that 41 percent of college students believe hate speech should not be protected by the First Amendment.

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408 responses to “Libertarians and Never Trump Republicans Court Justin Amash to Run for President

  1. President Trump instructed former White House Counsel Don McGahn to refuse to testify before Congress.

    “Tweet your comments to them. They like that.”

  2. If Kirsten Gillibrand ever became President the night would be dark and full of terrors.

    1. Winter would come, in the form of a non so benevolent dictator, though she may have started out with high hopes.

  3. Alabama Public Television decided not to air the most recent episode of the kids’ program Arthur, which features a gay wedding.

    And yet Bert and Ernie living in sin is just fine for kids to see.

    1. This episode brought to you by the letters L, G, B, T, and Q.

      1. funny.

      2. Nicely played, Leo Kovalensky II.

        Poorly played, Alabama.

    2. I’d inquire what is the point of bringing up sexuality AT ALL in a show aimed at pre-schoolers.

      1. Since when does marriage involve sexuality?

          1. You’re both right.

            – Fellas

      2. Since when does marriage have anything to do with sex? Am I right, fellas?

        1. A day late and a dollar short, eh, Mr. Fist?

      3. I’d inquire why you think showing a wedding in a TV show is “bringing up sexuality”. Maybe I’ve only been to really boring weddings

        1. I think he means “sexual orientation”.

          1. The only allowed orientation in Alabama is missionary.

            1. Good luck getting the sheep to stay still on its back.

              1. That’s part of the allure.

        2. I’d inquire why you think showing a wedding in a TV show is “bringing up sexuality”

          You are being obtuse. ‘Gay’ is a modifier that describes a person’s sexual orientation. So to explain to a child why a wedding is ‘gay’, it is necessary to explain what sexual orientation means. Which is, by definition, ‘bringing up sexuality’.

          If it is any consolation, just plain ‘wedding’ also implies sex, but I think that most parents get around that when kids are young by explaining it as people get married to start a family.

          And, yes, you have only been to really boring weddings. Usually someone gets drunk enough to bring up Prima Nocta.

          1. It cracked me up that people got all butthurt over Tony Stark bringing up Prima Nocta in Age of Ultron. It’s so totally in character for him.

      4. Because everyone must push the LGBTQ agenda now, or else be Othered.

      5. Well Dam, it’s a great opportunity to get at people through their kids. Something cults like to do. Cults like progressivism.

      6. The earlier the indoctrination, the better.

    3. Is “Bottoms Up” an appropriate toast at a gay wedding?

  4. …and the burden of knowing for two years that her character was going to break bad.

    As opposed to everyone else who knew six years ago.

    1. was going to break bad

      AMC crossover opportunity? Dragons on meth?

      1. Meth breathing dragons would be something to see.

        1. “I am the danger.”

      2. Denaerys: “Say my name!”
        Lannister soldier: “The whole thing, with all the titles and everything?”

  5. A new Knight Foundation survey finds that 41 percent of college students believe hate speech should not be protected by the First Amendment.

    In other news, only about 60% of those moving on to higher education should have.

  6. There will only be two meaningful choices, Trump and the democratic nominee. If never Trump republicans, if any still exist, are serious, they have no choice but to vote for the democrat. A vote for Amash is a vote for Trump.

    1. No it’s not. That’s some idiotic thinking. A vote for Amash is a vote for Amash.

      1. Perhaps it’s insight on how that person would tally votes.

        1. 30 out of 50 children hackers (ages 8-16) at the 2018 DefCon were able to hack into ‘imitation’ state-level voting systems and change the results. And in large part because every electronic system sold in this country has the same flaw – they are all based on floating-point tallying/calculating even though NO voting system should ever be anything other than integer-based.

          Best way for that generation to take over the country and force the older generation to stop with the debt crap is to hack the outcomes. If they did and got caught, I would certainly welcome being on the jury to nullify any punishment.

          1. JFree
            May.21.2019 at 12:39 pm
            “30 out of 50 children hackers (ages 8-16) at the 2018 DefCon were able to hack into ‘imitation’ state-level voting systems and change the results. And in large part because every electronic system sold in this country has the same flaw – they are all based on floating-point tallying/calculating even though NO voting system should ever be anything other than integer-based.
            Best way for that generation to take over the country and force the older generation to stop with the debt crap is to hack the outcomes. If they did and got caught, I would certainly welcome being on the jury to nullify any punishment.”

            JFree posts here to show how fucking ignorant lefties can be. And succeeds!
            Fuck off and die, slaver.

    2. Want my vote? FUCKING EARN IT.

    3. Meanwhile Trumpbots will be saying “A vote for Amash is a vote for the Democrat.” Both will be wrong.

      1. Nobody will miss the hardline libertarian vote. How many elections do we have to have to prove that?

    4. No election my lifetime has ever turned on my single vote, and the chances of it ever happening are vanishingly small (and that’s is especially true for presidential elections). So I never vote strategically for the lesser evil, since it’s never, EVER going to make a difference in the outcome. And I feel better voting for somebody who doesn’t disgust me.

  7. we should hope they internalize the lesson that power corrupts even the well-intentioned.

    Don’t be so naive.

    1. Power especially corrupts the well-intentioned. Evil people with bad intent are already corrupt and know exactly what they intend to do with power, it’s the “good-intentioned” people who so easily justify their evil deeds with the excuse that the ends justify the means and as long as they intend to make a good omelet it doesn’t matter how many eggs they have to break.

  8. “She’s someone who made sure the lowest income, the least empowered, could have a voice and that’s who she was. Her goal was to reform government and make sure it represented the people first.”

    She melted Kings Landing dumbass. She reformed government – by setting it on fire.

    1. She reformed government – by setting it on fire.

      I’m OK with that.

  9. “A new Knight Foundation survey finds that 41 percent of college students believe hate speech should not be protected by the First Amendment.”

    As a left-libertarian, this is promising. But I think we can get that number even higher!

    I recommend Reason contributor Noah Berlatsky’s piece Is the First Amendment too broad? The case for regulating hate speech in America.

    #LibertariansAgainstHateSpeech
    #BringBackBerlatsky

    1. Ah, the Berlatsky doctrine.

      So, under this Berlatsky doctrine, civil rights can be infringed if its exercise hurts people’s feelings.

      Same-sex marriage hurts people’s feelings. Why not ban same-sex marriage?

      What about gay pride parades? Do they not hurt people’s feelings? Why not ban gay pride parades to protect their feelings?

      What about shutting down Islamic mosques because they hurt the feelings of terrorism survivors? Or shutting down Catholic churches because they hurt the feelings of sexual abuse survivors?

      And, of course, is not public safety a greater interest than protecting people’s feelings?

      Why not arbitrary searches and seizures at the whim of the police?

      Why not reducing the burden of proof in criminal trials to a preponderance of the evidence?

      The question is not what civil rights violations could be justified under the Berlatsky doctrine.

      The question is what could not.

    2. would think the non-binary entity whose existence is literally speech would go light on the supply-side of restriction.

    3. Dude, stop with that shit. Berlatsky only wrote one article for Reason, and it sure as hell wasn’t that one.

      1. I count more than one.

        And please don’t misgender me with “dude.” I’m non-binary.

        1. I’m non-binary.

          So is “dude.” Go watch Good Burger

        2. So much easier to beat these punk hippie 41 percenters into submission and then cull the progtards.

          Problem solved.

        3. Okay, It should stop that shit.

    4. The truth is hate speech to those that hate the truth, cretin.

    5. The Alt-Right advocates bringing back Christian blasphemy laws.

      “Since no censorship is demonstrably not an option with the Left, the only question is what kind of censorship there will be. Let it be our kind.”

  10. Gillibrand took issue with the last season’s treatment of Daenerys Targaryen, who suddenly became a psychotic dictator…

    “Suddenly.” This from the idiot who paraded mattress girl around with credulity.

    1. Self-awareness is not something leftists have in abundance

      1. The Gillibrand bitch is a traitor to the Second Amendment.

  11. “Alabama Public Television decided not to air the most recent episode of the kids’ program Arthur, which features a gay wedding.”

    Now do NPR and actual news… pick literally any day of the week

  12. A new Knight Foundation survey finds that 41 percent of college students believe hate speech should not be protected by the First Amendment.

    That’s nice, but what is their relationship with Knight Industries?

    1. KITT hit hardest. Michael was unable to be reached as he was in mandatory sexual harassment training as a result of the #metoo movement.

      1. lols. both posts.

    1. “Refugees from shitholes continue to make in-kind contribution to Trump’s re-election campaign”

      Where’s Shikha when you need her. I want a piece on how hard the refugees are fighting to keep Trump in office. Start with Omar, that woman should be jailed for the funds she draws to Trump 2020, got to be in the millions.

      1. Give her a break. Obviously she suffers from massive head injuries

    2. A person who claimed on social media to have been at the station when the incident occurred said that the group of males had “hammers and bars,” and that they seemed to be “attacking anyone who looked like they had money or were white.” The witness, who said he isn’t white, said he didn’t want to “[take] on a bunch of dudes with blunt objects,” and that he “hurried an older white lady away” and they walked a few blocks to catch a bus.

      Where, oh where, it the outrage over this obvious hate crime? Why isn’t Rep Omar [D MN] taking to Twitter to denounce it?

      1. Oh yeah, “This is not going to be a country of the white people.” I suppose her constituents were just following orders.

      2. Where or where is an article in the Star Tribune on this? Oh, never mind. Star Tribune.

    3. The little-known Bang-Bang Maxwell gang.

    4. Now ponder why these types of stories get so much mention on right-wing media.

      1. It’s almost like the media is actively working to create bias and distrust between different groups of people. You could almost say they are being adversarial…

      2. Because the progressives ignore it?

      3. Hey Pedo Jeffy, you know what else ‘right wing media’ doesn’t like? Child rape enthusiasts, like YOU.

        1. You’re just boring and tedious.
          Don’t you have some more Democrats to murder?

          1. I’m focusing more on sick kiddie rapers , such as yourself, at the moment. You sick piece of shit.

      4. Now ponder why racebaiterjeff gonna race bait.

        His race baiting is a malignant societal cancer. Instead of discussions to debate points, it’s nothing but the fear, hatred, and resentment of identity politics.

        “Whitey hates you! He’s gonna getcha!”

        He’s burning a cross on every lawn he can find.

    5. Countries are People.

      Import Not Americans, Become Not America.

    1. Even more bad economic news.

      Dressbarn is going out of business, plans to shut all 650 stores

      The economy is so bad people cannot even afford clothing.

      #KrugmanWasRight

      1. Can’t afford cheap clothing.

        1. And if people can’t afford cheap clothing, how are we supposed to buy medium-priced or expensive clothing?

          Expect more clothing stores to shut down soon. And it won’t improve until a Democrat is back in the White House.

          1. In the future, everyone will be nude.

        2. Alternatively everyone is doing so well they no longer need cheap clothing and can afford more expensive clothes

    2. Ford to lay off 7000 workers too.

      I thought that The Con Man was going to force carmakers to open up plants in the US?

      1. I thought things couldn’t get much worse after Sam’s Club closed all those stores. Little did I know, that was just the beginning of the economic devastation caused by the hacked election of 2016.

      2. Sarah Palin’s Buttplug
        May.21.2019 at 10:02 am
        “Ford to lay off 7000 workers too.”

        Pick those cherries, turd:
        1) DeVos
        2) Gorsuch
        3) Kavanuagh
        4) Ajit Pai, end net price fixing
        5) Major reduction in the growth of regulations.
        6) Dow +35%
        7) Unemployment at 3.0% (!)
        8) The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year high
        9) Got repeal of the national medical insurance mandate.
        10) Withdrawal from Paris climate agreement.
        11) Not sure about the tax reform; any “reform” that leaves me subisdizing Musk’s customers is not what I hoped for. Let Musk run a company for once. But cutting taxes is good.
        12) Pulled support for the $13 billion Hudson Tunnel project.
        13) More than 16,000 jobs have been cut from the federal leviathan
        14) MIGHT have a deal to de-nuke NK.
        15) Killed monbeam’s choo-choo
        And finally:
        15) Still making lefties steppin and fetchin like their pants is on fire and their asses are catchin’

        1. Spending and deficit skyrocketing
          Migrant crisis getting worse
          North Korea lobbing missiles all over the place in open defiance
          Allies hate the motherfucker
          Iran rebuilding nuke program
          Trade wars decimating farmers
          No trade deal ratified.
          Failed to kill Obamacare
          Failed to increase GDP despite massive Keynesian tax cut
          Alienating traditional small government conservatives
          Sold soul of GOP to nativist racist types

          1. That’s your list? Good grief. I was giving TDS victims the benefit of the doubt but if this list is your counterpoint … I don’t know what to say to you. Especially the “failed to kill Obamacare” aren’t you a big fan of it? WTF you are just an enraged partisan and you know it.

            “failed to kill obamacare” is on MY list of reasons I’m disappointed in Trump but I don’t believe for a second it’s on yours.

            1. No, you’re wrong again.

              I have REPEATEDLY said the ACA is far better than single-payer (Medicare For All) since it is a market-based system where buyers choose from insurers who set their own prices.

              1. Sarah Palin’s Buttplug
                May.21.2019 at 11:04 am
                “…ACA […]is a market-based…”

                And he’s going for another gold in “Most Idiotic Statement of the Day”!

                1. You’re ON Medicare, you senile old fuckstain. Of course you would defend it.

                  1. “You’re ON Medicare, you senile old fuckstain. Of course you would defend it.”

                    Folks, one more try for “Changing the Subject”!
                    Turd is no fire today!
                    Go chase up kiddie porn sites, you pathetic excuse for humanity.

                    1. That was a very piss poor list he offered; DPK “lobbing missiles ‘all over the place?’!” And “migrant crisis getting worse” is nothing short of code for “build the wall!” My favorite is “allies hate the mother fucker.” Actually looks like a pro Trump post, but with TDS you just never know.

                  2. The kiddie raper is bitching again? He must have gone dry from his childhood porn marathon viewing sessions.

                    1. This is what PB makes me think of…….

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDqRJvHdwqo

                      PB is basically Wendell.

              2. “”from insurers who set their own prices.”‘

                Partially true.
                You set prices based on services you offer. The ACA requires them to offer services, which affects prices.
                Insurance companies would be allowed to offer more or less services for more or less of a cost in a market-based system.

          2. Sarah Palin’s Buttplug
            May.21.2019 at 10:43 am
            “Spending and deficit skyrocketing
            […]
            Sold soul of GOP to nativist racist types”

            Annnnnnd, we have the WINNAH in “Most Pathetic Case of TDS”!
            I certainly hope it’s fatal, turd; the world will be better off.

          3. “Migrant crisis getting worse”

            This one is funny too. Like Trump did something to make those migrants come into Mexico? WTF are you talking about.

            1. The Con Man RAN on fixing this problem. Gullible voters believed him.

              He failed on that too.

              1. Poor Sarah Palin’s Buttlug and his child porn legacy.

                1. Oh right I thought I recognized his name, he’s the kiddie porn guy.

                  1. He is ABSOLUTELY the kiddie porn guy. His personal hero is Jerry Sandusky.

              2. “”The Con Man RAN on fixing this problem”‘

                It’s congress’s problem to solve, not the executive.
                The executive seems willing to solve it in the absence of Congress, but people cry foul when he does.

        2. “2) Gorsuch”

          Hands down this should #1, but I like your list

        3. Sevo you forgot signing the First Step act, and clemency for Alice Marie Johnson a victim of the drug war

          1. Danke; added to the list.

        4. “13) More than 16,000 jobs have been cut from the federal leviathan”

          Sevo do you have a cite for this? I’d love to read about it.

          1. Right heyah:
            “The Incredible Shrinking Trump Administration
            More than 16,000 jobs have been cut from the federal leviathan. Only 1.9 million to go!”
            https://reason.com/2018/01/02/the-incredible-shrinking-trump-administr/

            1. awesome, thanks

      3. Oh, and keep stepin’ and fetchin’, lefty scum

      4. What shriek the kiddie-porn linking pederast omits here is that the jobs are white-collar ones, and most of the cuts are overseas positions. About 2,300 are US jobs, none of them in the existing factories.

        1. Even if they were all auto manufacturing jobs, who cares.

          Ford makes garbage vehicles, IMO. Whomever is making decisions for what is on the market deserves to get fired.

          Chevy wants to keep vehicle prices high by adding more nonsensical features as a selling point. The car cannot shift into gear until the seatbelt is engaged. Fucking Nanny-Staters and their crony capitalist asshat executives.

          1. GM was poisoned by Obama when he interfered with what should have been a legal chapter 11 reorganization. Another thing Obama should be in prison for.

      5. Those are white-collar jobs, I thought you didn’t consider them “workers” because they don’t produce anything

    3. TJ Max and Marshall are up beating sales forecasts.

  13. It sounds like the Freedom Caucus has become like the Tea Party – pretty much subverted from the beginning by members who don’t actually believe in freedom, they just want to be a part of the new club. Maybe why Thomas Massie refuses to join.

    1. It’s a Caucus, not a Cuckus. GTFO of here Amash.

      1. lol +1

  14. The House Freedom Caucus voted to condemn Rep. Justin Amash (R–Mich.) over the latter’s suggestion that President Trump did indeed commit obstruction of justice, and should be impeached for it.

    In keeping with Amash’s preferred medium for weighty political discourse, the condemnation took the form of the Twitter GIF of Jonah Hill giving the cut it out signal.

  15. When are we going to stop hearing about Game of Thrones, whatever that is?

    1. Every time someone says it the deadline extends an hour.

      Imagine thinking there’s a constitutional crisis but also there’s time for a fictional show about dragons…

    2. In a few weeks, probably.

    3. As soon as Democrats find a new dictator to swoon over

    4. When are we going to stop hearing about Game of Thrones

      As soon as a white non-Democrat commits a “hate crime.”

      1. Considering the many accounts of black and refugee crime going on, GoT will be around for a while

  16. …we should hope they internalize the lesson that power corrupts even the well-intentioned.

    I’d hope that they would just recognize that actions have consequences not always foreseen but sometimes on a devastating scale and that maybe letting the peasants do for themselves might be the best course. Or that even dragons understand the tree of liberty quote.

    1. We should internalize that the Left wants power and they mean it.

      You can never read 1984 Part 3, Chapter 3 enough. O’Brien explains the Modern Left.
      http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/19.html

      The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it.
      Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?’


      1. But always — do not forget this, Winston — always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever.

        If you want a picture of the future, imagine a bull shitting on a human face — forever.

  17. When Rep. Amash cites the specific parts of the Mueller report that he believes show actions that cross the threshold of impeachability, I might give him some consideration. Right now, he’s just another of the “Trump’s guilty and I don’t have to prove it.” legion.

    1. Agreed. At least Bill Clinton committed a felony.

      1. Plus his many rapes over a forty year period.

  18. House Freedom Caucus = Aborto-Freak Caucus

    1. They should rename themselves “Literally Handmaid’s Tale Caucus.”

    2. Oh, look! Turd is here to prove how stupid one person can be!

      1. The Aborto-Freaks are winning nationwide, Sevo! You should be proud of your GOP.

        They can’t cut a dime of the bloated federal budget but the GOP is winning the uterus wars.

        1. Oh look! Turd is really trying to prove he’s dumber than that!

        2. Considering less abortion means more kiddies for you to stalk, you should be ecstactic about this.

        3. Taking a break from distributing child porn there Shreek?

    3. I thought the aborto-freaks were the ones who wanted to kill the baby outside the mother because they missed their chance inside

  19. I’m sure all the complaints on “Unsuck” are real. However, I ride Metro at least four days a week and have never had a significant delay. The escalators at Dupont Circle are acting up, however–on two occasions no down escalator–but otherwise nothing in at least two years. What about the airlines, which are, you know, private enterprise?

    1. An escalator can never break: it can only become stairs. You should never see an Escalator Temporarily Out Of Order sign, just Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the convenience.

      – Mitch Hedberg

      1. +10000000000

    2. Are you serious? The trains used to run way more often than they do now and would go later into the night. Maybe the train isn’t delayed or stopped on the track like they would do from time to time for a while, but now if it’s not rush hour you might have to wait for 20 minutes for a train instead of 7 or 8 like it used to be.

  20. A new Knight Foundation survey finds that 41 percent of college students believe hate speech should not be protected by the First Amendment.

    ——–

    I hate hate speech, so try to arrest me commie nut jobs.

    1. That isn’t how it works. Hate speech is speech that attacks and dehumanizes marginalized groups.

      These are examples of hate speech:
      “Transgender women are just men in makeup.”
      “If open borders is such a good idea, Israel should try it.”
      “African Americans commit too much violent crime.”

      These are not hate speech:
      “I hate hate speech.”
      “I hate white people.”
      “Kill all men.”

      Get it?

      1. You’re on fire today.

        1. He’s dragon us back to reality.

          1. Some of us just tail behind on the discussion.

            1. That went over my head.

      2. Even the transgender men? That seems problematic, I’m reporting you OBL

      3. “men are not women” == hate speech. Am I doing it right? Lol

        1. “Chelsea Manning is a male, and a traitor.”

      4. No, I don’t get it. I don’t get it at all.

        As a self identified gay, transgender, bi-sexual, bi-racial, Muslim lesbian, I disagree with your post.

      5. What about fatties, and uggos? Or Fatty uggos?

  21. Maybe making nonspecific charges of impeachable offenses and casting aspersions on the motivations of your colleagues who may have come to different conclusions is not the way to win friends and influence, and perhaps is less than principled.

  22. “Uber and Lyft could face tax for snarling S.F. traffic: ‘Everyone needs to pay their fair share’”
    […]
    “Uber and Lyft could face a tax in their hometown that would raise millions of dollars for San Francisco’s transportation needs — like fixing bike lanes or increasing traffic enforcement….”
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Uber-and-Lyft-could-face-tax-for-snarling-S-F-13865123.php?cmpid=gsa-sfgate-result

    Never mind that major thoroughfares have been closed or severely restricted for years through mis-management of construction projects, nor that we have awarded 1/3 of major streets to the 1% who bike to work. Nope, none of that has caused ‘snarling’.
    Peskin is like the commie scum who blame anything but their idiotic ideology for starvation and mass murder.

    1. that’s what auto fees and gas taxes are supposedly for. Jesus christ they just want to grab money. Nothing can outdo government greed.

    2. It’s San Francisco. I expect that city to never do the right thing until it’s tried every wrong thing there is in the book, and sometimes not even then.

  23. Unfortunately Amash made his comments yet provided no examples of where he believes Trump committed such acts. Sounds a lot more like a cheap political splash to make his announcement to run as a Libertarian. I had always thought better of him.

    1. His fore-lock tugging during the Kavanaugh hearings was not impressive; a lot like narcissistic ‘signalling’ to me, and this smells the same.

      1. It’s entirely possible he’s playing pragmatic politics. The Trump admin might be willing to make some policy concessions to keep him from running a third party spoiler campaign in an important swing state.

        1. He’s about to get primaried and doesn’t want to go down looking like a chump, so he is trying any way possible to fight the Trump Train, which is doing nothing but picking up steam.

          If he really wanted to do long term good for libertarians he would take every chance he got to fight the welfare state. Instead he just makes unsubstantiated claims about Mueller porn to get virtue signalling points

          1. Yeah, maybe. I’m not very good at mind reading; so I don’t know what his angle is.

            If he does run third party, I’ll sure as shit vote for him. Of course, I live in a solid red state. So I can vote whoever I want for President relatively consequence free.

            1. To me it looks like he is pulling a Jeff Flake, he sees the iceberg and is trying to mitigate the damage to the ship.

              If he campaigns on a reduction in the size and scope of the federal government then I’ll vote for him. Even if I think he’s acting like a punk

            2. Of course, I live in a solid red state. So I can vote whoever I want for President relatively consequence free.

              Doesn’t matter if you live in a red, blue, or purple state. You can vote for whichever candidate you actually prefer with extreme confidence that your own vote will never tip a presidential election.

              1. “You can vote for whichever candidate you actually prefer”

                Uhh, and throw the election to Jill Stein… Yeah no thanks.

  24. “More importantly – although we strongly encourage parents to watch television with their children and talk about what they have learned afterwards – parents trust that their children can watch APT without their supervision. We also know that children who are younger than the ‘target’ audience for Arthur also watch the program.”

    Does seeing gay instantly turn children gay or something?

  25. “Juul hires consultant linked to Trump as it shells out money for SF ballot fight”
    […]
    “…The company spent nearly $465,000 in April, public records show, to hire a stable of both local and national political operatives — including Fabrizio Ward, a Florida firm with ties to President Trump….”
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Juul-hires-top-Trump-operative-as-it-shells-out-13864661.php?cmpid=gsa-sfgate-result

    NOOO! Not *TRUMP*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    It’s the Chron; the hack assigned to the ‘trump is a big poopyhead’ desk couldn’t come up with anything better.

  26. “She’s someone who made sure the lowest income, the least empowered, could have a voice and that’s who she was. Her goal was to reform government and make sure it represented the people first.”

    No, she always intended to rule as an absolute monarch. The ultimate expression of the idea that everything will be fine with the right people in charge.
    It’s hilarious and pathetic that people are upset about how she ended up. The half-assed ending is the real outrage.

    1. Well they were only complying with an authoritarian dictate, and now it has been eased so they will do what they can do continue working with Huawei. So what.

  27. “She’s someone who made sure the lowest income, the least empowered, could have a voice and that’s who she was. Her goal was to reform government and make sure it represented the people first.”

    It’s funny because she never did any of that. She expected utter submission from anyone and everyone. The freed slaves were given a voice, sure, as long as it was “yes, my queen, whatever you say”

    Democrats hate being told how much they love tyrants

    1. Yeah, she talked a lot about making people free and empowered. But her actions were all about her own power and demand for absolute submission.
      She did seem to have principled opposition to slavery and rape, but mass murder was always in her play book.

    2. The end of the first season, when she stands there nekkid with dragons, everyone, rich and slave alike, kneel before her as Mother of Dragons.

      Of course she was going to be corrupted into a Stalinesque figure, that was telegraphed right from the beginning! She demanded total submission to the rightness of her cause. Which was never the poor, it was to put herself on the throne.

      1. The end of the first season, when she stands there nekkid with dragons, everyone, rich and slave alike, kneel before her as Mother of Dragons.

        The Horde left when Drogo died. The only ones left were Drogo’s household slaves slaves and Jorah.

  28. President Orange Obstruction (POO) is innocent and has absolutely nothing to hide, thus his full cooperation with Congress.

    1. President Orange Obstruction (POO)

      Did you workshop this one first? It’s… well… something.

      1. It’s Palin’s Buttplug.

        1. oh, the kiddie raper…….

          1. Lay off the buttplugger. Posting instructions on how to search for kiddie porn doesn’t make him a kiddie raper. It just makes him a repulsive, degenerate creep.

            1. I propose putting more emphasis on tormenting Pedo Jeffy , aka Chemjeff, for being the sick piece of shit he is too.

              1. racebaiterjeff

  29. That Democrats love Game of Thrones is not at all surprising. They love good intentions and ignore everything else. Daenerys is the perfect Democrat. She symbolizes the idea that good intentions are sufficient. Screw the consequences, no Democrat ever thinks that far ahead.

    Democrats love Daenerys for the same reason they still secretly love Stalin. She’s the strong leader who can get things done. Why Trumpistas aren’t also on board is surprising, as I would think she would appeal to them as well.

    1. “Why Trumpistas aren’t also on board is surprising, as I would think she would appeal to them as well.”

      Nah, the last battle was an argument against open borders. Just because you surrender to the hordes doesn’t mean they’ll be nice to you

    2. “She symbolizes the idea that good intentions are sufficient. Screw the consequences, no Democrat ever thinks that far ahead.”

      She also perfectly symbolizes the Lefty wish fulfillment fantasy of Noble Whitey Champion of adoring Brown People.

      1. She’s a meme for this.

        Whitey in Aqua Dress crowd surfing an undifferentiated Brown Horde.

  30. Libertarians and Never Trump Republicans Court Justin Amash to Run for President

    Does this mean the “Broken Toys for Amash Committee” is actually a thing?

  31. >>>If he were to run as a Libertarian, Amash could have a big effect on the 2020 presidential race.

    this time .05% is gonna matter?

    1. I’ll vote for him as the libertarian president. He’s not perfect but he’s the closest thing to my ideals that will be running.

      1. >>>as the libertarian president

        he seems to be shy of the balls to be (L) in the first place? mho

    2. He would almost certainly be enough to swing Michigan if he were to run. Trump only beat Hillary by 0.3% in MI. Gary Johnson pulled 3.6% and Amash would likely pull more in his home state.

      1. Why would anyone who voted for Trump in 2020 vote for Amash now? That is weapons grade stupid to claim anyone would. Anyone who believes that Trump is somehow guilty of “obstruction of Justice” and that a lawful election should be overturned because of it, is already voting Demcorat and almost certainly voted Democrat in 2020.

        Amash won’t change shit except to get him a recurring gig on MSNBC.

        1. It only takes 0.3%. He’d likely pull that just out of his own district.

          Trump must be somewhat concerned. Why else would he come out swinging with the nicknames on Twitter?

          1. Why do you assume that people who voted for him for the House would automatically vote for him for President? Especially when they know he can’t win the election and as you note below the entire purpose of his candicy and the best realistic result is to put the Democratic nominee in office?

            Moreover, why do you think Trump will not get more votes running as an incumbent with a pretty solid economy and record than he did running as a total wild card hell raiser who was subject to the worst media attacks of any nominee in my lifetime?

            Trump may lose, but it won’t be because of Amash.

          2. “It only takes 0.3%”

            Against Hillary in the last election. Making an assumption about the next one based on that one is kind of silly.

            1. I agree if it’s any of the Democrats currently in the race except Biden. Biden is probably already going to be ahead of where Hillary ran in the rust belt states.

              It’s not silly. It’s over a year before the election and it’s about the best information we have at the moment.

        2. Amash is NOT a Libertarian, so would a Libertarian vote for him?

          Trump has done more Libertarian-ish things in office than any Libertarian to date. Even GayJay’s accomplishments as Gov of NM was nothing compared to how much Trump has advanced Libertarian positions and government officials to keep it going. Plus, Gary Johnson was a Republican as Trump is a Republican.

          1. I agree with you there. I woulnd’t quite say he’s been libertarian but at least far more small-government minded than any president in my lifetime.

          2. Amash did get 88% in the most recent NTU rating, gotta give him that.

        3. > …and that a lawful election should be overturned because of it

          No one’s claiming that. That’s not what an impeachment does. The best (or woese) that could happen is we get a President Pence.

          Only the batshit crazy think an impeachment would mean President Pantsuit.

          1. Yeah, no, you’re dead wrong, getting rid of the man that was elected is very much within the definition of “overturning a lawful election” especially when the method relies on nonsense and bullshit.

        4. I would because I was told Mexico would pay for a wall, not me. I was also told that healthcare would get fixed.

          And if Trumps deregulation has worked this well, imagine the additional market gains from a libertarian style regulatory policy

      2. If you just assumed that Biden were the nominee and he carries PA and MI (thanks to Amash) plus all the other states that Hillary won, then I think that puts it down to 270 to 268. Things would get pretty interesting.

        1. Leo’s guide to real estate investing:

          Step 1, assume an apartment building

          1. Isn’t that pretty much what any guide to real estate investing would in fact do?

            It is a good joke about economists, though.

        2. What you’re doing there is why the Dems were crying on election night.

          1. +100

            #DemocratFalseHope2020

      3. >>>He would almost certainly be enough to swing Michigan if he were to run.

        maybe. Al Gore lost Tennessee. lots of things can happen.

  32. Gillibrand knows she’s talking about a fictional chick, yes?

    1. You think Gillibrand can tell the difference between reality and fantasy? What have you been taking?

  33. Vote Amash because abuse of law enforcement and exectutive power doesn’t matter as long as it victimizes someone who deserves it.

    #Libertarian moment.

  34. Far-right terrorist Jack Renshaw gives Nazi salute as he is jailed for plot to murder MP.

    Neo-Nazi Jack Renshaw has been jailed for life with a minimum of 20 years over a politically-motivated plot to kill MP Rosie Cooper.

    Several supporters shouted “we are with you, Jack” after the 23-year-old was sentenced at the Old Bailey for preparing acts of terrorism against the Labour MP and for threatening to kill a police officer who had been investigating him.

    https://news.sky.com/story/neo-nazi-jack-renshaw-jailed-for-life-over-plot-to-kill-his-mp-11722061

    1. I hear the far right is into child porn distribution. Being an expert on the subject, is that true Shreek?

      1. If you say so, you far-right nut-job.

        1. You are the resident expert in child porn. Please, share some of your expertise with the rest of us.

        2. Yeah PB, you sick child raping monster. Kill yourself.

  35. http://alphanewsmn.com/audio-mob-with-hammers-descends-on-minneapolis-east-bank-lrt-patrons/

    Mob of Somali teenagers armed with hammers descends on Minneapolis train station attacking and robbing anyone who was “white and looked like they had money”.

    Isn’t open borders grand? Wokeltarians assure me that inside every Somali is an American just waiting to get out. The picture of Leftism is a boot on a face. The picture of Wokeltarianism is a mob of Somalis attacking and robbing people with hammers.

    1. >>>armed with hammers

      it’d be cute if they tried that in Dallas.

      1. It would be except that you know as well as I do the first person who rightfully shoots one of those little bastards will be the next George Zimmerman. It is everyone’s duty to be victimized by those higher on the intersectionality scale.

        1. John, you Tiki Torch carrying cowards should go confront them. You and your Nazi/Klan brethren should have no problem taking them on since you all are so badass gun-carrying Constitutionalist types.

          1. Did it bother you when Reason banned you for putting up links and instructions for accessing child porn? Or did you figure you would just get a new screenname and it was no big deal?

            Also, what about that stuff appeals to you? Is it the taboo of it? Did you get addicted to adult porn and just went looking for bigger and bigger thrills until you got into the kiddie stuff? Or are you one of those rare people who only finds children sexually attractive?

            Enquiering minds want to know.

            1. Lying POS – just like the Con Man.

              1. It is true and everyone knows it. So stop denying it and answer some questions about it if you are going to be here.

        2. Well, better George Zimmerman than some of the other possibilities. At least his self defense defense was successful.
          Perhaps I am insufficiently cynical, but I doubt someone would get the Zimmerman treatment if it was unambiguous who the aggressor was. It seems pretty certain that Martin was aggressive, but there is room for doubt as there were no other eye-witnesses.

      2. armed with hammers

        Say what you want, but they make some fine baking soda.

        1. You, sir, are going to hell for that one.

    2. I blame George HW Bush.

    3. I spend a lot of time in Minnesota and every Somali I’ve met there has been a wonderful, nice, hard-working person. 10 adolescent boys got together and did something violent? How surprising and awful! Indictment of the entire Somali community in MN? Hardly.

      1. Yes, a mob of teenagers attacking and robbing people because they are white is a much larger indictment of the Somali community than your having met a few nice Somalis over the years is a defense.

        I know they are sacred immigrants but sometimes people really do suck.

        1. Same logic as someone that says a few one-off attacks by white men on various communities’ religious centers is an indictment of all white men. Sloppy progressive thinking.

          1. If that starts happening, it will be an indictment. Let me know when there is a case of mobs of White teenagers attacking random black people with hammers. The day that happens will be the day we have a problem.

            1. Oh so it specifically must be 10, and the weapons must be hammers?

              Glad to know that you think the actions of the few impugn the integrity of the many. I didn’t take you for a collectivist, John.

              1. Show me a case of where it has happened any time in the last ten or twenty years and we can have the debate.

                And of course the same question can be asked of you. How many times does this have to happen before you admit that there might be a problem? Is there anything that the Somali community could do that would cause you any concern at all?

                1. Sorry, for white people all I have is several mass shootings done by lone wolves that killed several hundred people. But, unlike you and the progressives, I won’t impugn the good intentions of people based on the color of their skin or religion for the actions of several people who happen to belong to the same demographic.

                  I think that 10 Somoli teenagers attacking people with hammers is a problem, John. Its a problem with those 10 teenagers and their families. It could be a problem with that particular neighborhood, their schools, their local mosque. We simply don’t know yet. I realize YOU have drawn a connection, in a similar way that people draw connections between all white people and recent mosque shootings. Its a shitty connection.

                  I think its more telling that you jump to impugning the integrity and good will of thousands of people for the actions of a few. But that is standard stuff for collectivists.

                  1. Sorry, for white people all I have is several mass shootings done by lone wolves that killed several hundred people.

                    We have black people doing that too. And outside of Charleston none of it targets another race. And yes, white racism has been a problem in this country and no doubt still exists today. The problem of white racism is kind of a big deal. I am surprised you haven’t heard of it.

                    I think that 10 Somoli teenagers attacking people with hammers is a problem, John. Its a problem with those 10 teenagers and their families. It could be a problem with that particular neighborhood, their schools, their local mosque.

                    But could never be indicative of something larger for reasons. The fact that Somalia is a complete shithole riddled with lawlessness , terrorism and jihadism is just bad luck I guess. The Somalis themselves and their culture has nothing to do with it.,

                    I get it. White people are evil and Somalis are all noble wonderful people who are just occasionally the victim of “bad luck”

                    1. White people are evil and Somalis are all noble wonderful people who are just occasionally the victim of “bad luck”

                      I guess there’s no getting through to someone who can’t see people beyond their skin color. That’s a shame. Take care.

                    2. How about instead:

                      Countries are the way that they are due to a whole host of reasons – national culture, certainly, but also historical events and external forces come into play.

                      Somalians, like Americans, like everyone, are neither “all noble wonderful people”, nor are “all shithole people”. They are just people, some are good, some are bad, and deserve to be judged on their individual merits.

                    3. Trip K,

                      Why is Somalia so much worse than the US and what if anything do the people who live there have to do with that fact? You seem to be saying that they have nothing to do with it and there is no such thing as culture or anything but collections of individuals who somehow have no role in the larger community around them. It is an interesting theory of human interaction.

                    4. Countries are the way that they are due to a whole host of reasons – national culture, certainly, but also historical events and external forces come into play.

                      Somalians, like Americans, like everyone, are neither “all noble wonderful people”, nor are “all shithole people”. They are just people, some are good, some are bad, and deserve to be judged on their individual merits.

                      If they are just like Americans, then why is Somalia so much different than the US?

                      It is amazing how racist you people are when you get down to it. You just can’t hold other races to any standard of behavior. You don’t see them as human beings. You see them as props in your personal morality play.

                    5. Why is Somalia so much worse than the US and what if anything do the people who live there have to do with that fact?

                      Why don’t you tell me. I’m always stoked to learn from a PhD in Somali history.

                      You seem to be saying that they have nothing to do with it and there is no such thing as culture or anything but collections of individuals who somehow have no role in the larger community around them. It is an interesting theory of human interaction.

                      Nope. Just saying that we don’t have enough information to know why these kids did what they did. We don’t know if it was their religious leaders that encouraged this behavior, if it was social media, if it was school-related or what. We just don’t know. I just find it interesting that you are able to know right off the bat. You are all-seeing and all-knowing, John.

                    6. If they are just like Americans, then why is Somalia so much different than the US?

                      Does Somalia have the same natural resources that America has?
                      Does Somalia have the same history of colonial rule that America had?
                      Does Somalia have neighbors that are friendly towards their nation, or belligerent towards their nation?

                      For that matter, do you think the reason why America is the way it is, is due solely and completely to the choices who are living here right now? Do you think historical events may have had a role in how America developed?

                    7. It is amazing how racist you people are when you get down to it.

                      Projection.

                      You just can’t hold other races to any standard of behavior.

                      Yeah, I don’t think we should be holding entire races in contempt for criminal actions of some of the people that share their country of origin. I’m a horrible person I guess.

                    8. Yeah, I don’t think we should be holding entire races in contempt for criminal actions of some of the people that share their country of origin.

                      The most ironic part, is that John loses his shit whenever anyone points out that murderous thugs like Dylann Roof or Timothy McVeigh were also white males. Collective guilt for thee, but not for me!

                    9. Somalia has some of the best farmland in Africa. It has a ton more natural resources than say Hong Kong or Korea.

                      Somalia is different because Somalians are different. You people are just naive morons who think everyone in the world is just like you. If it wasn’t so dangerous, it would be funny how stupid and ignorant people like Jeff and Trip K are. But hey, they get to virtue signal their love for the brown man and that is all that matters.

                    10. The most ironic part, is that John loses his shit whenever anyone points out that murderous thugs like Dylann Roof or Timothy McVeigh were also white males. Collective guilt for thee, but not for me!

                      Yep, and he repeatedly dodges that point during this entire conversation. I brought it up but it goes ignored because he knows he’s using the exact same logic as the gun grabbers and the progressive morons.

                    11. “Yep, and he repeatedly dodges that point during this entire conversation.”

                      Nah, you just weren’t paying attention.

                      He draws a distinction between groups and individuals. You may not. You not getting that, and repeating the same argument over and over thinking your failure to register his response is “dodging” is your problem.

                    12. He draws a distinction between groups and individuals. You may not. You not getting that, and repeating the same argument over and over thinking your failure to register his response is “dodging” is your problem.

                      Nope. He leaves it completely unaddressed.

                    13. “Let me know when there is a case of mobs of White teenagers attacking random black people with hammers”

                      No, actually, he addresses it right there. Again, you simply didn’t get it. It was in direct response to your post which said

                      “Same logic as someone that says a few one-off attacks by white men on various communities’ religious centers is an indictment of all white men. Sloppy progressive thinking.”

                      He is clearly drawing a distinction, which you missed.

                    14. It is amazing how racist you people are when you get down to it. You just can’t hold other races to any standard of behavior

                      Jesus, John, that’s the exact opposite of what he was saying. He said people should be judged on their individual merits and behavior, and not based on race or nationality.

                    15. No, actually, he addresses it right there. Again, you simply didn’t get it. It was in direct response to your post which said

                      He is clearly drawing a distinction, which you missed.

                      I disagree. In your cited example, John is drawing a distinction between 1 person killing dozens and 10 people injuring a few. Its the most shallow of distinctions, and not even the one that’s important. It completely side-steps the point that I was making.

                      I was drilling down into the logic of that argument… that is: why can we say that Samolis have a cultural problem when members of their community do something wrong, but we can’t say that white Americans have a culture problem when members of their community do something wrong?

                      I’m making this argument specifically because I know that John hates it when progressives point at several examples of mass-murdering white men with guns and say “see! white people have a problem!” I’m pointing out that John is doing the same thing.

                      Either you missed this point accidentally or deliberately, but I won’t attack you personally in the same way that John attacked me.

                    16. I don’t know about Somalia or Minnesota, but in Columbus Ohio there are two Somali groups (clans? tribes? gangs?) that are responsible for a never ending feud that is responsible for half the murders for the last 20 years. And it spills over into other groups who live in harm’s way.

                2. Is there anything that the Somali community could do that would cause you any concern at all?

                  What precisely has “the Somali community” done, John?

                  1. Made their home country into a shithole and made the city of Minneapolis much worse than it was before they arrived.

                    But I am sure a few of them run food trucks. And that is what is important to people like you.

                    1. Do you think Somalians are, overall, bad people? Do you think they are an inferior category of people compared to, say, Americans?

                    2. I don’t think they are overall good or bad. I just don’t want to live in the same type of society they do. Somalis do have different values from me and see the world differently. Good for them and I couldn’t care less how they make their own country. But I do not want those values to be imported to the US.

                      That is what makes you such a racist, though a benevelent one. You can’t comprehend that Somalis as a group could be different than you and hold different values. You can’t see them as people with a free will who can not want the same things you do. You see them as just like you because in your naive view of the world that is what they have to be. Well, they are not like you and don’t want to be like you. That doens’t make them bad but it makes you pretending otherwise pretty stupid.

                    3. He did say that Somalia is different because Somalians are different.

                      Perhaps he thinks they should be separated from the rest of the community. Perhaps John thinks they should be concentrated, like in some sort of camp, away from the rest of America. After all, they are guilty of the state of their home country.

                      If America goes full socialist, can we say it’s John’s fault? John is an American, and America will be a socialist shithole. Therefore, John will be a shithole socialist by his logic. We should restrict John and his family from moving anywhere else if America ever becomes an inferior country economically to other countries.

                    4. That is what makes you such a racist, though a benevelent one. You can’t comprehend that Somalis as a group could be different than you and hold different values.

                      And you think those values are to grab hammers and start hunting people down in train stations? According to you, that’s just what Somalis do, its their culture. Replace these 10 boys with any 10 Somali boys and they would do the exact same thing, right?

                      Replace Dylan Roof with John from Reason.com and John would do the exact same thing. Because, culture, right?

                    5. “And you think those values are to grab hammers and start hunting people down in train stations?”

                      Well, they did it. Do you think they were going against their values when they did it?

                      Here’s your problem, and where you just aren’t getting it. A single person losing their shit and going nuts is inevitable and simply the cost of being alive. It is part of every culture, and we just have to accept that.

                      So, when you offer Dylan Roof as a counterpoint, you fail to understand, one guy is always going to happen. It doesn’t make your point. It actually makes it clear that you have no counterpoint, because the dynamics of 10 guys hammering people is nothing like the situation of a lone wolf. If you HAD a counterpoint, and make no mistake, they exist I’m certain, you’d use a valid counter-example instead of a single guy losing his shit.

                    6. It actually makes it clear that you have no counterpoint, because the dynamics of 10 guys hammering people is nothing like the situation of a lone wolf.

                      No, but there are other dynamics at play. Groups, especially groups of teenagers, are often capable of behavior that the individuals would never engage in.

                    7. If you HAD a counterpoint, and make no mistake, they exist I’m certain, you’d use a valid counter-example instead of a single guy losing his shit.

                      Actually, my point was that neither of these things are appropriate excuses to impugn the integrity entire communities and paint tens of thousands or millions of people as violent based on their country of origin. These examples are all USELESS for accurately trying to determine the motives and attitudes of communities of thousands or millions. That was my point, and it went over everybody’s heads.

                    8. Except Zeb’s. I think that Zeb clearly understood what I was trying to say.

                      John went full “foam at the mouth” and assumed that I disagree with him on everything, want open borders, transgenderism nonsense, etc. When someone disagrees with you once and you start to flip out and take it personally – that’s when you know you’ve been reading way too much politics. I’ve actually been there, and I highly suggest that that people feeling this way take a few months off from reading the news. It works wonders for blood pressure.

                    9. Just learned that “s” tag is for strike through. I thought it was for “strong”, which bolds characters.

                  2. I love this pretend time when all the leftists get butthurt because the rest of the world is a shithole and their utopia is being held back by hammer wielding monsters. Leftist would rather take a hammer to the head than face reality

                    1. Their whole life revolves around these types of Lefty fantasies.

          2. Not every person in Somalia is a bad person. Indeed, most are not bad people. Enough of them are, however, to make it a place where you would never want to live. The more Somalis you import into the US, the more the US becomes like Somalia. Pointing out that not all Somalis are bad people doesn’t change that fact.

            1. Why do you think Somalia is the way it is, John?

              Do you think it’s because Somalians collectively and consciously created it that way?

              1. If Somalians didn’t make Somalia what it is, who did?

                Martians?

                Countries are people.

            2. Their kids will be much more American than Somali. Their kid’s kids will grow up hearing 2nd hand stories of their grandparent’s travels to their new home country. Their kid’s kid’s kids won’t even know a single word of the mother country’s tongue.

              Meanwhile, there will be friction sometimes, yes. Also, open borders is a terrible idea if you also have a welfare state. Which is why open borders is a terrible idea for America.

              1. Their kids will be much more American than Somali.

                I have a bunch of people who were attacked with hammers who disagree. There are also millions of unassimilated Muslims in Europe who disagree. Sorry but your wishful thinking and virtue signaling about the powers of magic dirt and the innate goodness of the sacred brown people does not convince me to not believe my lying eyes.

                Go tell your wokeltarian fairy tales about how inside every Somal;i is a Libertarian American waiting to get out to someone who is dumb enough to believe them.

                How do you people believe this shit? Is virtue signaling just that damned addictive? It must be.

                1. I have a bunch of people who were attacked with hammers who disagree. There are also millions of unassimilated Muslims in Europe who disagree. Sorry but your wishful thinking and virtue signaling about the powers of magic dirt and the innate goodness of the sacred brown people does not convince me to not believe my lying eyes.

                  You’re a keyboard warrior so lets not get ahead of ourselves here. You haven’t seen shit. All you’re doing is reading selectively sourced material from the same websites over and over just like the rest of us.

                  Go tell your wokeltarian fairy tales about how inside every Somal;i is a Libertarian American waiting to get out to someone who is dumb enough to believe them.

                  How do you people believe this shit? Is virtue signaling just that damned addictive? It must be.

                  It’s not that hard to think of people as individuals rather than groups of people based on skin color, John. You’re frothing so hard at the mouth I think you’re just 1 step away from being one of these teenagers – ready to roam around with your buddies and your guns to go round up some innocent Somali families for what some unrelated Somali teenagers did one town over.

                2. You’re a keyboard warrior so lets not get ahead of ourselves here. You haven’t seen shit. All you’re doing is reading selectively sourced material from the same websites over and over just like the rest of us.

                  I have lived in Europe and the Middle East. You once met a Somali cab driver.

                  t’s not that hard to think of people as individuals rather than groups of people based on skin color,

                  No its not hard. What is hard is to understand that because people are individuals doens’t mean there isn’t any such thing as culture or that people in large groups don’t make a difference in a place. That is something that is clearly beyond your limited mental ability and even more limited experience.

                  Go somewhere besides Disney land and meet actual people and live in an actual alien culture and get back to me about your Wokletarian fantasies.

                  1. Of course there is such a thing as culture. But people are not just mindless robots programmed to obey some culture algorithm. They are individual human beings who deserve to be treated and judged as individuals.

                    Let me put it another way. Suppose I eat a lot of cheeseburgers, get fat, and develop coronary artery disease. Whose fault is it? Is it my fault, based on my dietary choices, or is it the fault of “American culture” and I am just a victim here?

                    1. “But people are not just mindless robots programmed to obey some culture algorithm”

                      Go on twitter and read through mainstream progressive journalists content, and all the mouth breathing betas who puppet their shit. There’s a reason the term NPC exists.

                    2. So then, Ryan, what is the cultural script that you are mindlessly acting out? Or are you somehow immune to the culture algorithm?

                  2. I have lived in Europe and the Middle East.

                    You don’t need to lie to me, John. I wouldn’t be impressed with you anyway.

                    No its not hard. What is hard is to understand that because people are individuals doens’t mean there isn’t any such thing as culture or that people in large groups don’t make a difference in a place. That is something that is clearly beyond your limited mental ability and even more limited experience.

                    Never said that or implied it. But lets take it at face value – what is it about American people and American culture that drives Americans to slaughter innocent children at school or kill indiscriminately at places of worship?

                    Why do you, with your white skin, endorse the murder of innocent children, John?

                    1. You don’t need to lie to me, John. I wouldn’t be impressed with you anyway.

                      It is not a lie. I lived in Germany from 2004 to 2005. I was in Iraq from 2003 to 2004 and literally drove the country end to end. I have driven and seen a larger percentage of Iraq than I have of the US. And there wasn’t a single ethnic group in that county I didn’t meet. Then I went back in 2010 and 2011 and worked with the Kuwaiti and UAE governments on emergency management issues. Spent an entire year working with everything from the Princes to the lowest cop or firefighter.

                      Not everyone is as stupid and untraveled as you are. If there is anything you would like to know about Middle Eastern and Muslim culture or history, just ask. I would be happy to answer, though I doubt you are trainable.

                      Never said that or implied it.

                      Everythign you said implied it. Your whole point is that importing huge numbers of people from alien cultures has no efffect on the country and certainly no adverse effect because you met a few who were great people.

                    2. Meanwhile, John totally dodges the argument about how his logic is exactly the same as people who say that school shootings and mass shootings at religious institutions are a problem with Americans and American gun culture. I bet that’s an issue of individuals, isn’t it John?

                      “Collective guilt for thee, but not for me!” indeed.

                    3. Trip K,

                      If Baptists start attacking people with hammers and waging the Baptist jihad, I will be the first to admit that we have a baptist problem. I am not dodging the issue at all. I am granting your premise and pointing out that you have no evidence for you claims.

                      And would you like to apologize for calling me a liar for telling the truth about my experiences? Or will you just be a weaselly piece of shit and pretend that never happened? I am betting on the latter.

                    4. And would you like to apologize for calling me a liar for telling the truth about my experiences? Or will you just be a weaselly piece of shit and pretend that never happened? I am betting on the latter.

                      I have no way of verifying that, and you know I don’t have any way of verifying that. Meanwhile, you have a way of verifying what my argument was, but you intentionally misrepresented it because you have no way to engage with it and you are STILL doing it. Goes to show how weak your argument is.

                      Turns out you can travel but still know absolutely nothing. Damn shame you are to all of us, John.

                  3. And the most ironic part of all is that you are actually letting these 10 boys off the hook for their alleged criminal behavior. Because after all it’s not really their fault based on their individual choices, it’s all the fault of “Somali culture”. You’re adopting the argument on the left that people aren’t responsible for their choices, because they are victims of “the system” (which you call “culture”) which is inescapable and creates the conditions through which individuals are only automatons acting out their roles in the script.

                    1. And the most ironic part of all is that you are actually letting these 10 boys off the hook for their alleged criminal behavior.

                      Once in a while you say things that are even stupid for you. No one has said anything like that. All ten should be hanged in front of their homes and left to the crows with no one allowed to cut them down.

                      The problem here is not that anyone thinks they should walk. Even you are not that stupid. The problem here is that people like you and Trip K think that them doing this is just bad luck and has nothing to do with any larger issues because God damn it Somalis are wonderful people.

                    2. The problem here is that people like you and Trip K think that them doing this is just bad luck and has nothing to do with any larger issues because God damn it Somalis are wonderful people.

                      Literally a quote from me 35 minutes ago, in this very conversation: “I think that 10 Somoli teenagers attacking people with hammers is a problem, John. Its a problem with those 10 teenagers and their families. It could be a problem with that particular neighborhood, their schools, their local mosque. We simply don’t know yet.”

                      But lying about your opponent’s position is part and parcel for you, isn’t it John? A trick you learned from Palin’s Buttplug.

                    3. No one has said anything like that.

                      That is your entire argument, John. That people should not be judged by their individual actions, but instead by the “culture” from which they come. Those Somali boys were just acting out a cultural script from Somalia that they had no choice but to obey. Pick any 10 random Somali boys from anywhere in Minneapolis and they would all do the same thing. They would beat white people with hammers given the chance, because they’re Somalis and therefore all interchangeable. At least be consistent with your own argument.

                    4. “It could be a problem with that particular neighborhood, their schools, their local mosque. We simply don’t know yet”

                      Just like grooming gangs, huh? Just 10 rogue dudes, all different backgrounds, skin color, religion… just crazy how they all meet up

                    5. Thankfully we have people like Ryan on the case, who can confidently assert that brown-skinned Somalis are all equally likely to beat white people with hammers. He knows this because they are brown-skinned Somalis.

                    6. Just like grooming gangs, huh? Just 10 rogue dudes, all different backgrounds, skin color, religion… just crazy how they all meet up

                      Unlikely. I’m more interested in who or what led them to such abhorrent behavior — was it a local Muslim leader that hates the west and preaches hate? Was it an economic motive? Was it radicalization on twitter or other social media? Was it something that happened at school? We just don’t know yet, and because we don’t know yet, I’m hesitant to blame an entire group of people. Is that so horrible? Does that make me a wokletarian to want to know all the facts? Does that make me a leftist? How many questions can I ask in a row?

                      The world is complex but John wants to boil it down to “white people good, brown people bad” and I just don’t think that is a good way to go.

                    7. Repeated:

                      I don’t know about Somalia or Minnesota, but in Columbus Ohio there are two Somali groups (clans? tribes? gangs?) that are responsible for a never ending feud that is responsible for half the murders for the last 20 years. And it spills over into other groups who live in harm’s way.

              2. “Meanwhile, there will be friction sometimes, yes. Also, open borders is a terrible idea if you also have a welfare state. Which is why open borders is a terrible idea for America”

                Holy shit some of them are capable of thinking in the real world. Now let’s talk about what happened with Omar, and how she got elected through shitting on American values…. How’d she get in office? who voted for her? Is there a section of Minneapolis responsible? Where are they from? Why would such a large group of people vote for someone who openly bashes the United States?

                1. shitting on American values

                  Omar’s values *are a part of* American values. She’s an American, isn’t she?

                  If 10 Somali boys behaving badly are supposed to be ambassadors for “Somali values”, then aren’t the comments of Ilhan Omar, who last I checked is an American citizen, representative of “American values”?

                  You can’t have it both ways with your culturally reductionist arguments. Either Somalis everywhere represent “Somali culture”, or they are individuals acting on their own initiative. Either Americans everywhere represent “American culture”, or they are individuals acting on their own initiative.

                  1. Omar’s values *are a part of* American values. She’s an American, isn’t she?

                    Yes she is. And that is the problem. Import people who are antiSemetic and view it as their right to shit all over the country that saved them and you will end up with that being a part of American culture.

                2. Holy shit some of them are capable of thinking in the real world. Now let’s talk about what happened with Omar, and how she got elected through shitting on American values…. How’d she get in office? who voted for her? Is there a section of Minneapolis responsible? Where are they from? Why would such a large group of people vote for someone who openly bashes the United States?

                  Actually there is some anecdotal stuff I’ve seen indicating that Somali people in MN that are pissed she’s taking these stupid activist stances. People interviewed said that they care more about jobs and the economy than they care about Isreal. But that is all anecdotal – we simply don’t have data to answer your questions yet. But, I will say that I may have missed that time Omar advocated for getting groups together to torment people with hammers.

                  Also, since when did people vote for people based on values anyway? Its usually “that person looks like me” (ESPECIALLY in minority communities) or “I feel like I could have a beer with them” or “they’ll probably give me free shit”.

                  You’re looking at this from a libertarian’s perspective, that is, a principled one. Most people don’t vote based on a set of rigid principles that align with one another.

              3. “Their kids will be much more American than Somali. ”

                Can’t wait til *all* American children go on gang rampages with hammers.

                Assimilation is not a one way street, particularly in a society taught to loathe itself.

    4. I posed this earlier but it bears repeating:

      A person who claimed on social media to have been at the station when the incident occurred said that the group of males had “hammers and bars,” and that they seemed to be “attacking anyone who looked like they had money or were white.” The witness, who said he isn’t white, said he didn’t want to “[take] on a bunch of dudes with blunt objects,” and that he “hurried an older white lady away” and they walked a few blocks to catch a bus.

      Where, oh where, it the outrage over this obvious hate crime? Why isn’t Rep Omar [D MN] taking to Twitter to denounce it?

      1. “It’s only a hate crime when Whitey does it”

  36. The targets of his attacks—often low-level Metro employees or the riders themselves—don’t have access to the same large social media platform.

    Alex Jones?

  37. Rep. Justin Amash (R–Mich.) would never receive the republican nomination so to run for president he would have to run as an independent. To run as an independent one will have to remember that the anti-Trumpers and independents that he could possible attract would not have voted for Trump in the first place so these votes would have gone to the the democrat nominee. So each vote he would get would be a backhanded vote for Trump by taking them away from the the democrat presidential candidate.

    1. The best Amish could hope for is if the Democrats ran a real lunatic and he could then attract suburban Democrats who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for as yet unnamed lunatic or Trump either one. Trump’s approval rating among Republicans is near 90%. When you consider the divisions in the Democratic party right now between the hard left and the reminents of the old center left, it seems pretty likely that Amash running as an independent would attract more Democrats than Trump voters Republican or otherwise.

      1. Amish don’t run for political office. Or tweet. They do rap sometimes.

        Amash do run for political office. And tweet. And prob can’t rap or jump.

        1. You should be thankful I throw in the odd spelling error. Otherwise, what would you have to talk about?

          1. the fun is trying to figure out whether they’re on purpose

            1. John’s a master of spelling malapropisms. A veritable Norm Crosby.

  38. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D–NY), one of two dozen or so Democrats running for president, is very unhappy about the ending of Game of Thrones.
    I can understand Gillibrand’s (D-NY) stand on this series. I think that it reveals what the democrat party would do if they could. They would setup a dictator to advance their agenda under the pretense of for the good of the people. But like most dictatorships we have experience with in history or even in modern history the dictatorship turns out to be for the dictator and his/her supporters.

    1. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?

      Orwell was a prophet.

  39. So, it seems like every Grrrrrrrl Power progressive is pissed off about Daenerys becoming what do-gooding politicians always do.

    It seems the story did a pretty good job of representing “doin’ right ain’t got no end” politics.

    1. Doesn’t making tired political points take all of the fun out of a fantasy show?

      1. But that’s just it, it wasn’t a tired political point, the show (IMHO) was representing the human condition and the trajectory of people who come into power.

        Unless you mean Gillibrand and Warren making tired political points. Then yeah.

        1. Outside of nude scenes with hot chicks, I really never understood the appeal of that show.

          1. It was a very well executed court intrigue drama with some good action thrown in. And nudity.

    2. And there are still plenty of other strong female characters left who didn’t spend the whole run trying to be authoritarian tyrants conquering the world. The most respectable was probably the Mormont girl. And Sansa was kind of a bitch, but you can’t say too much bad about her.

      1. Right. But feminism is about equality. Which means women are first.

  40. http://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1130652373658066949

    Florida records the reason for every abortion in the state. In 2017, abortions that were done because the child was a product of rape or incest, the woman’s life was endangered by the pregnancy, the women’s health was endangered by the pregnancy, the woman’s psychological health was threatened by the pregnancy, or there was a serious fetal abnormality combined represent .4014 percent of all abortions done in the state. That is right, less than one half of one percent of abortions are done for those reasons.

    Meanwhile, the other 99.5% of abortions are done for social or economic reasons or are entirely elective. The claim that legalized abortion is necessary to save the lives of women outside of very rare circumstances is a complete lie. If the pregnancy is a threat to the woman’s health, 99% of the time the sollution is to induce labor.

    1. And here are some reflections about the rape exception, by someone who was conceived in rape but managed not to get aborted.

      https://www.lifenews.com/2019/05/17/i-was-conceived-in-rape-im-the-1-they-exploit-to-justify-100-of-abortions/

      1. The claims that abortions are necessary for the life of the mother is just bullshit. If a woman knows that getting pregnant at all is a threat to her life, she is likely to take a lot of precautions and unlikely to get pregnant at all. If the pregnancy becomes a threat to her health or life during the pregnancy, it will almost certainly occur past viability. In that case, the medical sollution is to induce labor not an abortion. The abortion is more risky than inducing labor.

        When you understand that, these numbers are not surprising.

        1. OK, but you were lumping the rape abortions with the life/health ones. It’s a different situation.

          Especially since (at least if you believe the Supreme Court) it is cruel and unusual to execute a rapist. Even if it were OK to kill a guilty rapist, that wouldn’t make it OK to kill an innocent unborn child, and the fact that the same people who would kill the child are squeamish about killing the actual rapist makes the contrast all the more gruesome.

          1. I am not lumping them together. My point of adding them up is to show how rare any of the professed reasons for abortion other than pure elective actually are.

            You misunderstand my point.

            1. I get it, and the guy I linked to gets it as well – saying how he’s one of the 1% (or fewer) rape-based pregnancies which are used to justify the remaining 99%.

              This 1% (or fewer) is used as leverage to legitimize the dehumanization of the unborn – “product of rape” or what have you. This can then be used to expand abortion more broadly –

              “well, if you allow abortion for rape then you’re basically imposing childbirth as a punishment to slut-shame women, you don’t *really* care about the unborn!”

              “If a woman says her pregnancy resulted from rape, we must BELIEVE THE VICTIM, not pester her in her time of trauma with picky questions about whether the rape actually happened!”

              It’s a slippery slope toward more and more abortions.

              Oh, and if a teenage girl gets pregnant from statutory rape, it’s often the criminal who presses for the abortion to hide his crime, and abortionists who are complicit in this are aiding rapists. So it’s not like the prochoice people have any moral high ground here.

              1. This may seem like nitpicking someone who is taking a prolife stand, but this sort of situation, though rare, can be an entering wedge to legitimize abortion more broadly, plus the primary issue which is that the unborn child is innocent – just as innocent as a child conceived in a consensual one-night stand.

                If you want to kill someone, kill the rapist, assuming the oh-so-humanitarian Supreme Court will allow it.

              2. Yes, all of those sorts of exceptions end up swallowing the rule. Make it abortions legal in the case of rape, and everyone woman who wants an aboriton will just claim rape and that will be it.

                1. My sarcasm detector just lit up, so I’ll just say that *at the very least* these exceptions dehumanize a category of innocent human beings, and at worst they encourage abortions outside the exception. The “Roe” of Roe v. Wade acknowledges that her claim that she got pregnant from a gang rape by Mexicans was false – yet this is the story which went into the record in Roe v. Wade and many people swallowed it until she recanted. Fortunately no actual Mexicans were arrested because of her story.

        2. The claim is bullshit because if modern medicine, IOW Science!, for those ignoramuses that supposedly worship it.

          A later term abortion by necessity involves dilation, which is the risky part of the delivery, particularly because it raises blood pressure.

          It is statistically much safer to deliver via caesarean with a spinal block or even local anesthesia than to do a dilation and extraction

          1. And the statistics bear that out. There have been multiple GYNs who have made your point on Twitter and over the internet. No GYN who plans to keep his malpractice insurance would ever reccomend a late term abortion as a better medical alternative than a C Section.

            The other way you can tell it is bullshit is that the pro abortion movement never has any actual women whose lives were saved by a late term abortion. If such women existed, it is impossible to imagine why the pro abortion movement wouldn’t parade them in front of Congress to explain how an abortion saved their lives. That they don’t do that is truly the dog that didn’t bark in the abortion debate.

          2. All this arguing around the edges is annoying. Either a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy or she doesn’t.

            1. Only in the first 7 trimesters!

        3. Occasionally they are. My very anti-abortion aunt had a D&E.

  41. Actress Emilia Clarke discusses the Thrones finale and the burden of knowing for two years that her character was going to break bad.

    I guess I don’t get this. All of the indications were there that she had all the makings of a Tyrant. I guess people just weren’t paying attention.

    I like to think of Daenerys as the Elizabeth Holmes of GoT.

    1. How is that a burden for an actor anyway? Playing a character who evolves and transforms into something different than they started is what actors normally call a great opportunity.

      1. >>>How is that a burden for an actor anyway

        this. take your money for pretend-time and stfu

        1. Oh common, why be toxic about this? It seems obvious to me that it was a burden because she wanted to tell people. Just like many people, when they have a juicy secret, its soooo hard not to tell people.

          Nothing wrong with that.

          1. the burden was she was gonna have to face the hashtag.

          2. Oh she had to keep a secret. The poor dear.

            1. What is wrong with you? It’s not even a controversial subject or political at all. Its like saying “man it was so hard to keep that twist at the end of the movie a secret! But I wanted you to see it for yourself.”

              Are you even human, John? DO YOU HAVE FRIENDS?

      2. Its a burden because she is no longer a SJW hero to the gillibrandistas of the world

    2. “”All of the indications were there that she had all the makings of a Tyrant. I guess people just weren’t paying attention. “”

      Sounds par for reality. No one wants to pay attention to the bad things or markings of a Tyrant for those you like. True with Trump fans, Bernie fans, Hillary fans, Obama fans, ect..

  42. With the president and his sycophants in full attack mode, the effort to persuade Amash to join the Libertarian Party and run for president is intensifying. According to The Hill:

    If he were to run as a Libertarian, Amash could have a big effect on the 2020 presidential race. He would be expected to perform well in Michigan, which is one of Trump’s must-win states. For this reason, those in the Trump orbit might come to regret running him out of the Republican Party, if that is indeed what happens.

    With Lefties and their sycophants constantly attacking Trump for limiting many of their government programs, LINOs are looking for any way to derail the unstoppable Trump winning reelection 2020.

    #MAGA

    1. Libertarians love washed up Republicans like children love puppies.

      1. I’d think (L) would be all “hey stop thinking (L) is where you can go to protest your own party, losers”

        1. And said loser Republicans run back to the party at the first opportunity. See Weld for example. Big L libertarians are the cheapest date in politics.

      2. Libertarians love washed up Republicans like children love puppies.

        The fact that lovescontroll69 calls himself a Libertarian certainly adds veracity to this claim.

        1. SparkY’s new handle does not know what a Libertarian even stands for.

  43. “Amash is one of the founding members of the House Freedom Caucus, which came into existence in 2015 with the aim of pushing a Tea Party agenda in Congress. These days, it is little more than a pro-Trump cheerleading squad.”

    The Freedom Caucus is a pro-Trump cheer leading squad compared to what–certainly not compared to the pro-AOC cheer leading squad that is the Democrat Party, in both houses of Congress and among Democrats running for president.

    I’ve been more critical of the Freedom Caucus than anybody around here–especially their rejection of a bill to that would have cut $772 billion from Medicaid (because of what it didn’t also do). But they’re by no means simply a pro-Trump group.

    On the other hand, Little Robby has been about as intellectually honest as Tony–and about as clear with the facts. I gifted subscriptions to this magazine for years. It’s so fucking embarrassing! It’s like that time I went to see Celtic Frost in the ’80s in Hollywood–with no idea that they’d just completely sold out and gone full on Poison Glam Metal. Take a look for yourself if you don’t believe it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs7TO3oxt6M

    They were playing a shithole in Hollywood. The audience was half skinheads, with punks and thrash metal longhairs–because all the glammed out dudes with makeup go chased out of the parking lot. WTF were glam guys showing up to an underground show? We had no idea they had that video in heavy rotation on Headbangers’ Ball.

    The band kept getting attacked by the audience. I remember there was this one giant, skinhead dude, easily 6’5, looked like did nothing but lift in prison for years. In the middle of Popeye forearm, he had a tattoo of that thing from the cover of Morbid Tales. He kept pointing at it, then giving Tom Warrior the finger, and screaming, “Fuck you! Fuck you!”. One of the other band members started dancing in front of him again, and the skinhead just lost it, and started beating the fuck out of the band.

    Tom Warrior started screaming for security. The club guys and the manager in the back started yelling at him from offstage, “He is security! They are security!” Yeah, the clubs usually hired scary skinheads to work security at these gigs, and half the guys that were attacking the band were, in fact, club security. Turns out, if you want to put on makeup, dress up like a girl, and dance around in front of a bunch of hardcore kids who think they’re coming to see you do Into Crypts of Rays, you can’t really depend on them NOT to attack you for it.

    No, that wasn’t Celtic Frost, and, no, the shit Robby is peddling around here isn’t libertarianism.

    Libertarians court Amash to run for President, like really? What libertarians? Are there any libertarians here in this thread calling for Amash to run? Is there any evidence for this that Robby gives above, or, like one of Tony’s emphatic statements, are we supposed to believe it’s true just because Robby said so?

    You suck, Robby. Your work sucks.

    1. Waiter, I want to order some of what Ken is smoking.

      1. I think ‘Ken Shultz’ is a collection of bits from different autobiographies that some random dude thought sounded cool.

        1. You suck.

          Fuck you.

    2. More Libertarians support McAfee, who was last seen in the Bahamas on the run from federal authorities than support Amash for President.

      1. McAfee is a nut. That would have been so embarrassing.

        The most libertarian thing you can do in most election is not vote for anybody. The purpose of most elections is simply for the government to legitimize the horrible shit they do to us. Why should I add to that legitimacy with my participation?

        I’ll tell you why: because one part has devoted itself to the cause of authoritarian socialism, that’s why.

        If it’s not leading candidates signing on to the authoritarian socialist Green New Deal, it’s people like Kamala Harris, yesterday, promising that she will fine any company that pays men more than women 1% of their profits for every percentage point that men are paid more than women.

        There isn’t anything principled about not voting or voting for a protest candidate in the LP when we can use our votes to prevent an authoritarian socialist from getting into the White House. It’s another example of how so many of my fellow libertarians go so far astray. It’s all, “Fuck you, cut spending!”, but then when a bill comes before the Freedom Caucus that would cut $772 billion from Medicaid, a socialist entitlement program, the Freedom Caucus votes against that bill–because it didn’t do more! How fucked up is that? These are like anti-drug who would oppose legalizing marijuana–unless we also get rid of zoning laws that keep marijuana out of local jurisdictions that don’t want it. I’d rather stop throwing people in cages for nonsense and keep fighting for the rest.

        Trump is bad on immigration and free trade, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to let that stop me from using my vote to keep a full blow authoritarian socialist out of the White House. If an authoritarian socialist gets into the White House because of our protest votes, that’ll be the most embarrassing thing libertarians have ever done.

        Worse than one of Robby’s articles, even.

        1. Let me add, that cvnt Harris balatantly lied. She said “80% for the exact same work“. That is a complete lie. Women who do the same work with the same tenure and qualifications get paid the same, in white collar jobs often a pct more. It’s already illegal not to.

          And I have seen NO ONE call her out for lying

          1. It’s amazing how often you hear that repeated as if it’s obviously true and not a complete lie. “For the same work”.

        2. +100

        3. “I’ll tell you why: because one part has devoted itself to the cause of authoritarian socialism, that’s why.”

          For as far as the eye can see, every election will be the Flight 93 election. Dems are actually getting *more* totalitarian every day.
          https://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/

        4. “If an authoritarian socialist gets into the White House because of our protest votes, that’ll be the most embarrassing thing libertarians have ever done.”

          You’ll have emotions much more painful than “embarrassment” if the Left gets back in power.

      2. Amash certainly isn’t someone that I would classify as a hard-core libertarian. I mentioned in a another thread yesterday that OnTheIssues has him right on the boundary between libertarian and conservative on the Nolan chart. I’d say that’s pretty accurate. He’s a libertarian-leaning conservative.

        I’d also venture to guess that he’s more libertarian than 99% of Republican elected officials. He’s certainly more libertarian than Trump.

        1. If he is such a “libertarian” why is he completely ignoring the abuses that clearly occurred by the FBI and CIA during the Trump Russia investigation?

          Like I said yesterday, if he were upset about those, he would at least have the moral authority to criticize Trump. But the fact that he is silent on such clear abuses of government authority makes him into a hack.

          1. +100

          2. “If he is such a “libertarian” why is he completely ignoring the abuses that clearly occurred by the FBI and CIA during the Trump Russia investigation?”

            Amash is forming a new congressional caucus:
            Libertarians for the Deep State.

            Open Borders Uber Alles means you’re for government of the government, by the government, and for the government.

        2. When I was doing a deep dive into the Reason archives yesterday, I came across this poll of Reason subscribers in 1987:

          “Politically, [the average Reason subscriber] describes himself as a libertarian (58 percent, followed by 26 percent conservative). He opposes retaliatory import restrictions (88 percent), bans on “adult movies” on cable TV (80 percent), and the government’s drug war (59 percent); he wants to privatize Social Security (81 percent). On foreign policy, he’s fairly hawkish. He supports U.S. aid to the contras—both nonmilitary (54 percent) and military (46 percent, a plurality)—and he backs “Star Wars” (66 percent).”

          —-Virginia Postrel, November 1987

          Within two years of that survey, the Berlin Wall came crashing down.

          https://reason.com/1987/11/01/who-are-you-joe-reason/

          Reason has shifted to the left, and it may make us see people like Amash as if they are further to the right than libertarians. That may be an illusion. It’s like the term “Mexican food”. Are we talking about some idealized vision of traditional Mexican cuisine that may not actually be indicative of what real Mexicans eat, or are we also including the Pizza, burgers, and Chinese food that Mexicans eat?

          In other words, where is the median on the Nolan chart if you do a statistical analysis of real libertarians? The curve will skew one way or the other.

          41% of Reason subscribers supported the Drug War back then, and 81% wanted to privatize social security. Those libertarians weren’t horrible freaks back then, and they aren’t so freakish today. If Amash isn’t a “real” libertarian, it probably isn’t because of culture war issues. It may be because he doesn’t support doing things like privatizing social security. That might put him near the median for self-described “libertarians”.

          I cannot tell you how disappointed I was in the Freedom Caucus for opposing cutting $772 billion from Medicaid because of what it didn’t do. There has never been a better opportunity to cut a socialist entitlement program in my lifetime, and there probably never will be another one. And when we see Reason staff that oppose cutting those programs, support Title IX so long as it’s fair, etc., etc., we’re not really looking at the center of the libertarian mind. Reason is probably far to the left of that. We shouldn’t forget it.

          1. “Reason has shifted to the left”

            The Long March Through the Institutions trampled through Reason.

    3. love it.

    4. +1000

    5. Hell yeah!
      And FWIW, if I went to an Amon Amarth concert and they came out with makeup and glam shit, I would probably do the same thing.
      Thank the gods that I know that won’t happen!

  44. Oh, and I maintain that the only principle Justin Amash is really sticking up for is the undemocratic principle of overturning election results over the objections of the voters.

    Removing a president from office is a political decision that is supposed to be informed by the popularity of the president by way of Congress. It does not matter if the President is guilty of murdering a child in broad daylight. What matters is whether the American people want the president removed from office for it.

    All those of you who are arguing that Trump didn’t break the law are completely missing the point. By arguing that Trump didn’t break the law, you’re feeding into the argument that this should be the determining factor–and it shouldn’t. I know your hearts are in the right place, but you’re carrying water for the opposition, whether you realize it or not.

    The problem is that you’re conflating two separate questions. One of them is whether you as an individual think that the president’s crimes are sufficient to remove him from office. You can believe they are. I thought that Bill Clinton’s crimes were sufficient to remove him from office–but I never thought he should be removed from office over the objections of the American people. I thought George W. Bush’s crimes were sufficient to remove him from office–he basically dared his opponents to impeach him because (from his view) he was protecting us from terrorism. I thought Barack Obama’s crimes, especially in regards to the NSA and violating the Fourth Amendment rights of hundreds of millions of Americans, was more than sufficient to remove him from office. I never thought that Congress should remove him from office over the objections of the American people–regardless of whether he broke the law.

    Whether Trump obstructed justice is a red herring–just like whether the Starr investigation was all about Clinton boinking an intern was red herring. I thought Clinton deserved to be removed from office because they embezzled money from the taxpayers by way of the RTC into Bill Clinton’s election campaign.

    However, I never thought that Bill Clinton should be removed from office over the objections of the American people. Rather, I thought that the American people should support removing him from office.

    I hope you all see the difference. It’s the same thing today. The question isn’t whether Trump obstructed justice. The question is whether the American people support having a presidential election overturned. They do not. And Justin Amash is not being principled. Advocating that your fellow Republicans in Congress ignore the wishes of the voters is not principled. It’s the opposite of principled. The principle is that presidential election results shouldn’t be overturned by Congress over the objections of the American people.

    If the framers had wanted to make this all about crime, they would have given impeachment to the courts. The framers did not want politicians ignoring the people on the powers that were given to Congress. In a free society, democracy has a proper purview. In fact, you can’t have a free society without these things:

    You cannot tax the American people over their objections and without their input by way of Congress.
    You cannot inflict wars on the American people over their objections and without their input by way of Congress.
    You cannot overturn presidential elections over the objections of the American people and without their input by way of Congress.

    If the American people don’t want what we want on these issues, then it is up to rational and moral people to persuade them. If the Republican Party (like Nancy Pelosi) is reluctant to impeach Trump for fear of what will happen when the voters hold them accountable, that is part of the burden of liberty–that within the proper purview of democracy and a necessary precondition for a free society. That’s the principle that Amash would have the Republican party ignore.

    1. Let me start by saying I’m not a lawyer, haven’t read the Mueller report, and am not qualified to make a determination on whether Amash’s claims have any legal basis. I don’t necessarily think that Trump should be impeached because I don’t know enough of the facts of the case (nor do I really care enough to read the Mueller report).

      But, my simplified way of thinking about impeachment is that the House is akin to the role of a grand jury. Amash doesn’t necessarily have to think that there’s enough evidence to convict Trump (ie remove him from office) to support bringing forward formal charges (impeaching). After all, the potential trial hasn’t even happened yet. We only, thus far, have the prosecution’s side of the case.

      I do agree that through the process of impeachment and the trial in the Senate, the Congress must be held accountable to the people, and that’s precisely why it’s not handled by the courts.

      1. . Amash doesn’t necessarily have to think that there’s enough evidence to convict Trump (ie remove him from office) to support bringing forward formal charges (impeaching). After all, the potential trial hasn’t even happened yet. We only, thus far, have the prosecution’s side of the case.

        If you put Amash in the role of a Prosecutor and with the responsibilities that come with it, that is not true. A prosecutor ethically should not bring charges unless he has a good faith belief that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The jury can disagree of course but the prosecutor has an ethical duty to only bring charges he think will stick. He can’t just charge people and say “let the jury figure it out” consistent with his ethical duties, though no doubt many prosecutors do that.

        Beyond that, until Amash lays out exactly what he claims Trump did and exactly what evidence exists to show that Trump did it, Amash’s claims should not be taken seriously. Read his tweet thread. I can’t see a single specific fact or piece of evidence given in it.

        Sure Congress can strictly speaking impeach for whatever it wants. But, that fact doesn’t make it fair or right to demand impeachment without making specific allegations and providing at least some evidence to prove them.

        1. Amash should definitely formalize his case for supporting impeachment. Twitter is not the place to do that. What he probably doesn’t realize is that, like me, the vast majority of Americans haven’t read the Mueller Report. Lay out your case in an Op-Ed or something. There isn’t a paper in the country that wouldn’t publish it.

          But I’m not naive enough to believe that he does or doesn’t have a case just because he hasn’t yet articulated it. The people who came out and supported Trump immediately after the report was released are no more principled than the people who came out for impeachment. None of them read the report before reaching their conclusion, and arrived there only through partisanship. At least Amash has claimed to have thoroughly analyzed the report before reaching his conclusion… right or wrong.

          1. But I’m not naive enough to believe that he does or doesn’t have a case just because he hasn’t yet articulated it.

            I would say that thinking he does have a case is being naive. To assume that he does have a case is to assume good faith and honesty on the part of a politician. That sounds pretty naive to me. The cynical view is that he has no case and is just grandstanding for attention and angling for a job when he leaves the House.

            As far as the Mueller report goes, you don’t have to read the entire thing to know that it concluded there was no evidence that Trump ever conspired with or even cooperated with the Russians during the election. Not even the most rapid anti Trump people are claiming he did anymore.

            If Trump didn’t conspire with the Russians, that means he was innocent of the charges that brought forth the investigation. So what do you have left? Obstruction of justice? Really, even though the report concluded there wasnt’ enough evidence to indict and even though said “obstruction” involved a crime that didn’t exist? Is it your opinion that Amish is right that such a thing would be worthy of impeachment? And more importantly, so grave that we should ignore the clear abuses that occurred in launching the investigation in the first place.

            Amash’s position boils down to this; Trump should be impeached because he obstructed justice into an illegal investigation into a crime he didnt’ commit and despite the fact that the special counsel could not find enough evidence of the alledged obstruction to even indict much less convict Trump.

            You go right ahead and defend that claim.

            1. My understanding of the way the obstruction of justice statutes work is that a crime doesn’t have to have been committed for obstruction to happen. Again, I’m not a lawyer.

              Obstruction of justice? Really, even though the report concluded there wasnt’ enough evidence to indict and even though said “obstruction” involved a crime that didn’t exist?

              The Mueller Report, based on commentaries I’ve read only refrains from recommending prosecution on obstruction because a sitting President can’t be prosecuted, only impeached. “Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct,” Mueller wrote. “Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,” Mueller wrote.

              I’m not going to defend Amash because I don’t know his case. He should lay it out if he has one. That we can agree on.

              1. They said that but they also said there wasn’t enough evidence even if it were possible. Beyond that, we are still left with it was “obstruction” of an illegally launched investigation into a crime that didn’t happen. That should matter shouldn’t it?

                Serious question, do you just not care that the FBI and CIA abused its power to launch this investigation and seems to have engaged in a conspiracy to create an investigation where none was justified in hopes of overturning an election? Do you not thing that matters?

                Clearly Amash doesn’t because he has to my knowledge never said a word in objectiont to it. Do you think he is right to do that? Do you think Barr is right to investigate that issue and hold the people responsible to account assuming that is what he finds?

                Why doesn’t that seem to bother you? I would think any libertarian would find it enraging. Indeed, a few do. But they seem to be in the minority. Most Libertarians seem to think it is okay because such things are justified because Trump was the subject. Is that your opinion?

                1. Serious question, do you just not care that the FBI and CIA abused its power to launch this investigation and seems to have engaged in a conspiracy to create an investigation where none was justified in hopes of overturning an election? Do you not thing that matters?

                  I absolutely do think that matters. Congress should dismantle, repeal FISA absolutely. And not just for Presidents, but for all Americans here and abroad. By the way, Trump signed the reauthorization for the latter. That nobody seems to be talking about getting rid of secret courts altogether is the real tragedy out of this whole fiasco. That these secret FISA warrants would be used for political gain was a completely expected outcome of their very existence.

                  The people who abused power to orchestrate this investigation for political gain should be held accountable if convicted as well. You’re right about that.

                  Abuse of power by a President to obstruct justice is a serious matter, IMO. Even if an investigation was started for the wrong reasons, I believe that a President abusing his power to obstruct justice is a breach of his oath to uphold the Constitution (at best). That’s the standard Presidents should be held to, even if their actions aren’t “criminal” in the strictest sense. Now, that being said, I’m not saying that Trump has done these things. Short of someone clearly laying out the evidence and allowing Trump and his legal team the ability to provide a defense, I’ll withhold my judgement of whether or not he did anything which warrants impeachment. As I’ve said before, I respect Napolitano and Amash both, and expect them to support their claims.

              2. You can have obstruction of justice without being guilty of an underlying crime, but what are the chances of having mens rea in obstructing an investigation into a crime that didn’t occur? You’d have to construct one of those bizarre mystery writers’ scenarios where someone wrongly thinks s/he committed some crime, and therefore obstructs the investigation.

                1. You know, like “killing” someone who was already dead.

      2. “I do agree that through the process of impeachment and the trial in the Senate, the Congress must be held accountable to the people, and that’s precisely why it’s not handled by the courts.”

        Amash’s problem is that he’s effectively going after his fellow Republicans for refusing to ignore their own constituents. Elected politicians are not suppose to do that! Sure, a representative can always vote his conscience–and his constituents can always vote him out of office for voting his conscience. Meanwhile, overturning an election is not a thing to be done lightly.

        Remember, the reason Nancy Pelosi hasn’t impeached Trump is probably not because she doesn’t have the votes. It’s because she’s afraid of what the voters would to Democratic candidates in 2020 if she impeached Trump. Yeah, it’s a political calculation, but then how can we fault Congress for taking the will of the American people into consideration?

        The First Amendment starts out, “Congress shall make no law”. That’s because freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc. are outside the proper purview of a popularity contest. We can’t have a free society if those questions are subject to popularity by way of Congress.

        On the other hand, free societies also require that we don’t overturn elections without consideration for the will of the American people, as well. I’m not saying Amash is being immoral about this, but I think he’s at the very least wrong about the principle involved. Congress is supposed to take the will of the people into consideration. That’s why impeachment is in Congress and not the courts.

        1. >>>he’s effectively going after his fellow Republicans

          results of “effective” pending

          >>>Elected politicians are not suppose to do that!

          there was no twitter or faster-than-instant fame when the unwritten rules were written. justin got 2 days so far w/no substance

          1. There is such a thing as bad publicity.

            Chris Christy committed political suicide when he did a photo op with Barack Obama just a few days before his election against Romney, praising Obama for saving the people of New Jersey from a hurricane. Republican voters never forgot that.

            Republicans haven’t forgotten about Bill Weld’s gushing support for Hillary Clinton either. I can still see Kennedy (on Fox Business) going after him for that.

            I think this is like that. This is a betrayal of the party. This is Amash on the Senate floor calling for others to come help him stab Julius Caesar to death–and no one coming to help. He may walk away with his conscience intact, but he can’t go back to work with any hope of ever being a darling of the Republican party after that.

            1. ton of fun to watch now I care less. it’ll be interesting to see if it lifts him or kills him.

            2. Et tu, Justin?

      3. Trump doesn’t have to break the law to be impeached. Impeachment can be for any behavior that Congress determines to be unbecoming of the office. We went through this during the Clinton years and it’s like everyone forgot.

        I’m not making an argument for or against impeaching trump, but it’s important to remember that there doesn’t have to be a statutory breach for impeaching a sitting president.

        1. Yeah, I think it would be a tough sell without a break in the law.

          It’s like casus belli. Technically, you don’t need one, but in reality, in order to get the people to support a war, it’s a whole lot easier if you have one. So if you don’t and you want to go to war, make one up!

          It’s not just Yellowcake in Niger, Gulf of Tonkin, the Lusitania, Sinking of the Maine, etc.–People have been doing it for thousands of years!

          Anyway, if you want to impeach a president, breaking the law isn’t necessary, but it’s hard to imagine impeaching a president without a crime of some kind hanging in the background, real or imaginary.

  45. I am not sure that Amash is asking the Party to ignore what the people want. And I’m not sure we know what the people want because there appears to be a goodly number who are apathetic or still want to hear the reasons whether or not Trump obstructed justice.
    I’d love to see Reason sponsor a “debate”, pro and con, from legal experts or other qualified commentators, on each of the ten or eleven issues that Mueller “investigated” as possible obstruction.

    1. The bottom line is that the public at large only cared about any of this to the extent that it showed Trump conspired with the Russians to win the election. The moment Muehller concluded that didn’t happen, and he did conclude that, the whole thing ceased to be important in the public’s mind outside the very rabid partisan base.

    2. “I am not sure that Amash is asking the Party to ignore what the people want. And I’m not sure we know what the people want because there appears to be a goodly number who are apathetic or still want to hear the reasons whether or not Trump obstructed justice.”

      The primary reason why Nancy Pelosi hasn’t impeached Trump already is because she’s afraid of what the voters will do to Democratic Party candidates in 2020 if she impeached Trump.

      That is as good an indication of where voters who might swing Democrat stand on the issue of whether Trump should be impeached. No, the Democrats probably won’t lose any seats in New York City or California because Pelosi impeaches Trump, but what about Democrats running in Michigan, Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania?

      Amash would have his fellow Republicans ignore their fear of the voters’ wrath. Isn’t that right? Isn’t that what we’re talking about?

      1. +10

      2. But you’re holding Amash accountable to the party. What about his conscious, his constituents? He’s free to support anything he wants and then face his own consequences.

        Pelosi is a party leader, and she does have some party accountability to consider with her decisions. Amash, not so much.

        1. Amash is free to voice his concerns and vote his conscience.

          And the voters are free to defeat him in the primaries the next time he’s up for election.

          There’s a term for elected politicians fearing the voters. It’s called “democracy”. This is the way it’s supposed to be.

          P.S. The libertarians we need to transform society are already in Congress. Our aim should be to persuade the voters to want a libertarian society, and the politicians already in office will fall all over themselves to be more libertarian than each other.

          . . . except for a few who will claim they still want authoritarian socialism because of their principles. The principles of politicians are mostly an illusion. Their principles reflect which ever way the wind blows–and that is as it should be. That’s why congress’ powers are carefully circumscribed to only those areas where democracy is necessary for the functioning of a free society.

          No taxation without representation.
          No wars without representation.
          You assholes have no business messing with our First, Second, etc. Amendment rights.

          Claro?

          1. That is truly one of the best explanations for what the limits of democracy are in our constitutional republic.

        2. But you’re holding Amash accountable to the party. What about his conscious, his constituents? He’s free to support anything he wants and then face his own consequences.

          Just because he can doesn’t make it right. What if he supported a Bill of Attainder against Trump. Would that be okay? If not, then why should we assume supporting impeachment based on a poor or nonexistent justification is okay?

          1. Amash claims to have reviewed the document with his staff and apparently has a justification for why he supports impeachment. Because I respect Amash, I’m intrigued as to why he came to that conclusion and as I’ve said before, he owes us clear justification for his claims. If he doesn’t, then I’ll stop paying attention to this whole investigation again.

            1. He’s had ample opportunity to dos so and (crickets)…

              1. Your point is valid. Because I respect Amash, and because he didn’t immediately jump to this conclusion after the report came out I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt. But if he doesn’t back up his claims soon then I’ll go back to ignoring it.

    3. Didn’t Volokh have one?

    1. That makes me like it even more, of course.

      If I could have written the ending, I would have made it even better–worse from Warren’s perspective.

      I’d have had John go to the dark side and join Deny. Arya would realize she’d have to assassinate Deny to save both John and Westeros from wars, but John would realize what was happening and murder Arya. John would become a vicious tyrant. Deny would go insane with power.

      This is what happens when you think the solution to our problems is putting the right people in power with good intentions–EVIL EVIL EVIL, Choke on the evil.

      Perfect libertarian ending.

      1. A straight up evil ending like that would have been LOLz. Nothing like incest tyrants with dragons right???

  46. I can’t remember when there were so many assholes running for the POTUS position.
    But there’s little I can do except vote Libertarian like I’ve been doing since 1992.
    May the smallest asshole win.

  47. Yes, because Libertarian voters really, really want a candidate who supports witch hunts against the executive and approves of people thrown in jail for victimless crimes (like resisting witchhunts). That’s what libertarianism is all about! Just ask the Reason writers! /sarc

    I think we are seeing a repeat here of history of where former actual liberals turn into authoritarian leftists. That’s how the American left acquired the “liberal” label in the first place, and now they are going to acquire the “libertarian” label as well.

    Good riddance, Amash.

    1. There really does seem to be a strong bad streak in most left libertarians… They want to witch hunt and drive out all opposition just as much as mainstream lefties, but are just barely principled enough to think it should be a private witch hunt instead of a government run one… Most of the time. Other than forcing gay weddings, and other violations of peoples freedom of association… But they want total adherence to their person beliefs. Gay stuff, open borders, doing drugs, etc. With gay stuff on drugs it’s one thing to say it should be legal, I believe that is obviously the case… But to talk it up as if they are great things in and of themselves, and any questioning of that greatness makes you a horrible person… That’s little better than progs.

      I still maintain that almost every libertarian I have known IRL was a right-libertarian, and that just as the MSM and most institutions were taken over by leftists, the left-libertarian minority has taken over all libertarian institutions of note as well. Even though they’re the minority.

      Right-libertarians need to reassert themselves in the libertarian movement, because it’s basically just turning into “Libertarians are just Democrats who like low taxes.” Which is obviously a play on the old line that “Libertarians are just Republicans who smoke pot.” Which IMO is a WHOLE lot closer to where libertarian ideals actually line up in terms of the parties.

    2. (like resisting witchhunts)

      Resisting coups is part of the job description of the President.

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  50. […] last night’s petty Freedom Caucus (HFC) rebuke of co-founder Amash for saying out loud what many Republicans no doubt think about President […]

  51. “If he were to run as a Libertarian, Amash could have a big effect on the 2020 presidential race.”

    Big effect indeed. He’d split the anti-Trump vote and make an authoritarian victory more likely.

    He’ll be Nader in Florida all over again.

  52. Amash is a retard. I’ve just been losing more and more respect for that man as his TDS gets worse and worse.

    As far as Arthur… Good? In what fucking world do we need to be propagandizing 6 year old fucking kids with prog bullshit about gay weddings being awesome?

    I don’t mind gay people, but that kind of stuff is exactly why the commies are now taking over the country… We’ve allowed them to warp the minds of multiple generations in this country, my own included. I’m sure Arthur is filled with pro socialism/egalitarianism messaging too.

    All those divisive issues need to wait until kids are older, and then discussed in a pros/cons both sides have their say kind of way… Not just cramming “You must like this or you are Hitler!” down their throats from the time they’re 3 years old.

  53. Look at all this girly gossip. President Orange Obstruction (POO) sure has a talent for bringing out the coprophiliacs.

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    1. Reason and the Neocons are pushing Amash to be The Egg McMuffin of 2020, for the sole purpose of putting the “Democratic” Socialists in power.

      Open Borders Uber Alles Globalism means government of the government, by the government, and for the government.

      Politics is now nationalism vs. globalism. Pick a side.

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