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Kirsten Gillibrand Knows More Than Your Doctor When It Comes to Pain Pills

Putting the government at the center of health care means putting politics at the center of doctor-patient relationships.

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Here's a tweet from Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D–N.Y.), who is running to win her party's presidential nomination. This should bother anyone who thinks that doctors should be able to treat patients without running everything past Congress. It's also a premonition of what to expect if a national single-payer health plan such as Medicare for All ever gets fully implemented (Gillibrand supports Medicare for All).

Any number of things about this tweet and the legislation it's pushing are just terrible. The certitude with which Gillibrand speaks is terrifying, especially given her lack of medical training. That it's bipartisan underscores the notion that the only thing worse than a gridlocked government is one in which Democrats and Republicans actively work together (Cory Gardner is a Republican senator from Colorado).

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And then there's the reality that "punishing patients won't reduce opioid deaths," as Reason's Jacob Sullum wrote in December, when a new Medicare rule lowered the amount of medicine that could be dispensed in a given prescription:

Opioid prescriptions, measured by total [morphine milligram equivalents], have fallen by a third since 2010, while opioid-related deaths have more than doubled. Instead of reducing deaths involving opioids, the crackdown on pain pills has pushed nonmedical users toward black-market substitutes, which are much more dangerous because their potency is highly variable and unpredictable.

The Trump administration wants to cut opioid prescriptions by another third in the next three years. What could go wrong? We already know.

As Sullum has documented again and again, restricting access to prescription painkillers has left patients in agony while pushing people with abuse issues into more dangerous and deadly situations.

Because of its size, Medicare already sets too many prices, regulations, and practices in the delivery of American medicine. If and when it expands to cover the entire population, you can expect not just a profound level of dysfunction based on how it already operates but ever-increasing political grandstanding along the lines of Gillibrand and Gardner's intervention into the doctor-patient relationship.

In 2017, Paul Detrick and I explained what's wrong with the Medicare for All plan from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.). Take a look:

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94 responses to “Kirsten Gillibrand Knows More Than Your Doctor When It Comes to Pain Pills

  1. Does she think there’s no pain worse than wisdom tooth extraction?

    What a fucking loser.

    1. Really, it’s hard to imagine a more arrogant example of political hubris. It’s bad enough when they just give some vague thoughts on “man up”, but to give as your genotype such a simple procedure and pretend it is the baddest, most painful, terrible no good kind of hurt possible ….

      Fuck off, slaver. Just fuck off and wish you were dead because the pain is so fucking bad.

      1. No shit. The useless cunt tweeted this a year ago and can’t comprehend the contradiction:

        “A woman’s health care decisions are between her and her doctor, not politicians in Washington.”

        I guess in her fucked-up world, women are never ever ever in severe pain.

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      2. I had my wisdom teeth extracted some years ago. Even with the strongest painkillers I was given (opioids) I was in agony for 3 weeks.

        F this ignorant arrogant quackunt.

    2. The correct spelling of ‘loser’ on the internet is ‘looser.’

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  2. This is rather disappointing. However, we must keep in mind Gillibrand correctly advocates zero government interference in the patient / doctor relationship when it comes to abortion care. So she’s overall still quite good on medical privacy.

    1. Oh fuck off. You can do better than that. You don’t have to dry-hump every Democratic Dog that comes along wagging its tail.

      1. He wouldn’t be OBL.

      2. You must have missed my dozens of posts criticizing Democrat Tulsi Gabbard.

        1. Dont you mean Mrs. Assad?

        2. You mean the ones where you said she’d be the last Dem you’d vote for, but still ahead of everybody else?

          Oh come now. You might as well dry-hump a fireplug.

    2. Hey, OBL, answer this:

      What about a woman who has made the courageous decision to abort and subsequently experiences a great deal of pain? Should she be denied the opiods she needs for pain relief?

      1. I thought by leading with “This is rather disappointing” I was making it clear I’m against government-imposed pain pill restrictions.

        1. But since you say she’s “still quite good” I guess that means you’d support limiting pain pill restrictions so long as abortion isn’t limited?

          1. Dude, it’s a parody. It’s hard to stay in character and be consistent on something so illogical.

            OBL provides comic relief – give him a break.

        2. But since you say she’s “still quite good” I guess that means you’d support limiting pain pill restrictions so long as abortion isn’t limited?

    3. You really are too good at this, OBL. Look at all the triggered people!

  3. These are heroin pills, and addiction can be triggered by just one of them. Excess pills are often misused. Shorter prescriptions can save many lives.

      1. He’s not being serious.

        BTW, anybody who thinks that I am PB’s sockpuppet needs some meds. Perhaps you were just joking, but, if not, please child.

        1. Fuck you Screech, and yes he is being serious.

          Stop posting kiddie-porn links and you won’t keep getting banned.

          1. You are losing credibility.

            Peeps here know me. After all, its been about a dozen years that I have posted here.

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          2. This is a different a-hole. You may need a scorecard with all the PB socks, however.

        2. I’d be ashamed to admit I was PB too.

          1. Who would confuse Liberty Mike with PB?

            1. Confuse implies they are different people when they obviously aren’t.

              1. All the H&R handles are simply one person with multiple personalities using this forum to argue with himself.

                Shut up, that’s not true.

                You shut up, fuckface.

                See what I mean?

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                  1. “Obaba ate a dog” is one of the more annoying of my multiple personalities.

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    1. Morphine, heroin, codeine and oxycodone are all derivatives of the opium plant, but are derived from different components. So, no, these are not “heroin pills”. It is also known that the use of the derivatives is more addictive than the use of the opium plant. The War on Drugs is responsible for the suppression of the use of opium and the spike in the use of heroin. The high cost of contraband heroin led to the practice of intravenous injection in order to use smaller amounts to achieve the same effect and is exponentially more addictive than smoking or snorting.

      Regardless, the idea that you can get addicted off one hit is pure poppycock. You couldn’t ethically conduct the experiment it would take to reach such a conclusion based on the scientific method, and the anecdotes of addicts are spurious at best.

      You might not want to believe the hype that the War on Drugs caused the problem with heroin, but I lived through the ’80s and watched the government seize on the misuse of a diet pill (amphetamine) and manage to schedule-II that into the complete clusterfuck that is the meth epidemic.

      There is no state that a man might find himself in that cannot be made lower by the intervention of government.

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    2. “These are heroin pills, and addiction can be triggered by just one of them. Excess pills are often misused. Shorter prescriptions can save many lives.”

      Which still leaves the congress critters out of the question whatsoever.

    3. So now her son’s on twice as many pills as before. Progress!

    4. How about we find you and beat the shit out of you until you’re in so much pain you can’t move, you indescribable imbecile?

    5. Protect me from myself. PROTECT ME FROM MYSELF!!!
      Or whatever …

  4. Anyone who thinks government should run health care should be sentenced to 10 years VA care only.

    1. Which would effectively limit them to three visits – – – – –

  5. Kirsten Gillibrand is polling at 0%.

    1. Hell hath no fury like kicking Franken out of the Senate. She’ll quit after a 5th place showing in New Hampshire.

      1. Fifth? She’s gonna finish behind Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard. Kirsten deserves to get thrashed by Marianne Williamson.

  6. It’s hard to wrap my mind around this much ignorance and hubris in such a short message. I can only hope she develops something along the lines of renal cancer so she’ll understand the issue better.

    1. Had that. Not good even to joke about. Even to evil statefuckers.

  7. I slipped and fell down a rocky incline last summer while portaging a canoe in the boundary waters and cracked a rib; when I went to the doctor the next week he told me to take Advil for the pain. He said they weren’t giving scripts for injuries “like that” anymore, and I told him thanks, but I’d use Canadian Club instead. Fuck all these guys.

  8. “No one needs more than 65 years of life.”

    1. Carousel! Carousel!

      1. Renew! Renew!

        (run, run)

  9. My Body My Self and it shall not be controlled by the centralized socialist state.

    I’m pro choice and I vote.

  10. So much for a woman’s choice about her body – – – – – – –

  11. Those medical patients with their aches and pains, they should walk it off, they should be proud to be making sacrifices to theoretically save junkies from their own behavior.

  12. In a healthy society, such a tweet would guarantee whomever assassinated Senator Gillibrand a medal.

    1. I’d take them out drinking and pay their tab all night long.

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  14. Fucking nanny statists. Anyone who uses “nobody needs…” should be executed and then exiled.

  15. Christ, what a cunt.

  16. I’d like to see her go through six months of Stage 4 throat and neck cancer treatment without opioids, as I just did. My daily OxyContin dose maxed at 250mg. I kept a journal of my dose and my calorie intake, in case anyone doubts my story. Surgery, chemo, and radiation (which burned my neck into a caricature of a grilled ribeye steak, ironic because I could only drink my meals). So who is going to say what 7 days of OxyContin is? 1,750 milligrams like me, or 560 milligrams that I started with? And who was going to go pick up the prescription every 7 days, and then go fill it? I was lucky to have a spouse, a daughter, and a sister who took turns driving me to radiation every day, and ensuring I got my medication. How many people are as lucky as I am? KG and others who espouse similar solutions have never faced the reality of pain that will kill you. I lost 50 lbs, and was on the edge of having a tube implanted in my stomach. All of this rhetorical nonsense demonstrates a complete lack of compassion for those facing what I faced. Does that mean I lack compassion for those who die from abusing opioids? Absolutely not. Surely there’s an intelligent path towards mitigating abuse. But don’t get in-between me and my doctor!

    1. Cancer related pain is understood as a different category of pain. And usually, pain doctors understand this and will dose appropriately as it’s a different disease/life process that the patients endure.

      Opioids in general need to be prescribed less, as honestly, most of our country are bunch of fucking pussies. Many minor joint surgeries, general surgeries, and fractures that our nations’s physicians prescribe a month of opioids (or more) for (because patients whine, bitch and complain if they dont get them), other countries give them some Tylenol and a handshake….and that’s all they fucking need.

      1. For clarification; govt of course shouldn’t have any say whatsoever in this, as it is extremely variable on a case by case basis and needs to be evaluated by someone who knows what they’re doing. Any limits they would try to set are an affront to the doctor-patient relationship and freedom in general….

        I just think most doctors and patients need to grow a set on their own and learn to deal with minor to moderate pain, and treat extreme pain when it is merited.

        1. Appreciate the clarification. Thanks.

      2. Pain is subjective. Keep the decision between doctor and patient, and try not to judge. A broken rib or two plus an allergy that causes you to sneeze can be close to hell on earth for some people, but for others, it was just a fun night out getting in a brawl. Most ODs are from street drugs now, as the pill mills have been shut down. This is specifically about KG’s one-size-fits-all thoughtless solution.

      3. I’d like to see you in severe pain and denied any painkillers, fuckwit.

        Some people can ONLY get any pain relief at all from opioids or similarly strong medicine. Why are you so fucking cruel that you want people to live in pain when we have the medicine to reduce that pain to levels that they can live with?

        1. I wouldn’t have to be denied them, I would reject the prescription up front as I have every time one was presented to me. Anti-inflammatories (OTC ibuprofen) were enough when I had broken ribs, broken collar bone, and massive skin abrasions everywhere when I got T-boned by a retard not paying attention in his pickup (I was on my bike). If I lived with stage 4 cancer and had mets everywhere, maybe that’s a different story and I would take some.

          As I said before, there are scenarios where it is appropriate but society as a whole needs to toughen up. I can’t tell you how many people we see come through that are on adderall, ativan, and an opioid to get them through the day because they have been coddled and told “it’s ok honey, you NEED those things, people just don’t understand your truth, what you are going through”. What we are really doing is crippling them because they don’t learn any real coping mechanisms. Not to mention being on these things long term has other negative effects aside from the mental dependence.

          “Some people can ONLY get any pain relief at all from opioids or similarly strong medicine. ”

          The reason for this is usually because they are tolerant from…you guessed it…being given opioids too much for unnecessary things, and then being given them for an extended/chronic period of time without good reason. And no, there aren’t millions of people walking around who just happen to be “resistant” to most pain meds other than opioids

          1. I mean for all I care, make them OTC, legal everywhere, and let people take whatever the hell they want, including ketamine and marijuana; and let the responsibility fall squarely on their shoulders as well. I just won’t be personally responsible for being a candy man for patients and enable a process that I know is going to be a detriment to them.

          2. ShotgunJimbo|3.21.19 @ 10:13AM|#
            “I wouldn’t have to be denied them, I would reject the prescription up front as I have every time one was presented to me.”

            Goody for you. No fuck off telling other people what they should do, slaver.

            1. “I mean for all I care, make them OTC, legal everywhere, and let people take whatever the hell they want, including ketamine and marijuana; and let the responsibility fall squarely on their shoulders”

              “Goody for you. No fuck off telling other people what they should do, slaver.”

              LOL

              You know us slavers, advocating for taking the power from ourselves (as well as the govt) and giving it to the people along with placing the decision and responsibility on their own shoulders.

    2. I think it would be a very good idea for a group of chronic pain patients to confront that bitch at her office.

      -jcr

      1. Personally, I just want to beat the fucking cunt within an inch of her life then deny her any pain medicine whatsoever.

  17. Because no one needs a month’s supply for a wisdom tooth extraction.

    Just suck on some Midol, the way God intended.

  18. The certitude with which Gillibrand speaks is terrifying, especially given her lack of medical training.

    I’m sure there’s a thousand other things she knows absolutely nothing about that she’s an expert on, too. And every damn one of them is the same way. I saw one of them speaking of the electoral college and off-handedly mentioning that he didn’t think it was a very good design. Really? Do you have any idea who designed it that way and why he designed it that way, you arrogant motherfucker? How many constitutions have you written that have survived for a couple of centuries? But sure, I’m sure you’re just the guy to trust to re-write the constitution because you’re too fucking stupid to grasp just how ignorant you are.

  19. Depraved, sadistic, power-grubbing cunt.

    -jcr

    1. That’s rather understated.

    2. But enough about Suderman, let’s talk about Gillibrand.

  20. Maybe we need to round up the cosponsors of this mess in the Senate and House and do some testing to see what the proper levels of pain medication are. Break a few bones, crush a vertebra, extract a couple of teeth and the carefully chart what their pain levels are for a few days. Then give them a weeks worth of vicodin and see if that makes it all better.

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  24. Prescribing a week’s worth of opioids for a pain that is only expected to last a day or two is at the very least unethical. If the medical community cannot police this behavior, of course legislators will.

    1. Fuck off, slaver.

    2. You’re an idiot and have no idea what you’re advocating for.

  25. Meh, thin the herd by weeding out the weak and the stupid.

    I had spine surgery once. The doctor gave me a 30 day supply of something. I don’t remember what it was. I took one pill and the whole world turned into a giant warm fuzzy blanket giving me a big friendly hug. When I came out of it I threw the rest in the toilet. I fear the drugs more than I fear the pain.

    Later my wife mentioned those pills were worth $50 each on the street. I kind of wondered how she knew that, but I didn’t ask.

  26. “Because no one needs a month’s supply for a wisdom tooth extraction.”

    Another would-be commissar telling us what we need and what we don’t need.

  27. May this twat deal with this ….

    Went down on my MC a few years back. Airlifted to hospital. Broken collar bone that is pinned together now. Collapsed lung. They stopped counting at 14 rib fractures. So many rib fractures my rib cage actually detached from my diaphragm (flail chest). About two weeks of limited movement developed kidney stones. In the words of the doc, ‘easily identifiable kidney stones’. Eventually the stones needed to be blasted with ultrasonic to be broken down to pass.

    A word on those ‘evil’ insurers …. I pay for my own insurance as I have the last 20 years due to the fact that I own an S Corp. The insurance company picked up the tab minus my $2500 deductible and has continued to grandfather me in so I can avoid all of the Obamacare bullshit. I love my private insurer.

  28. She’s an authoritarian imbecile.

    “Because no one needs”

    The most evil phrase in the left-wing arsenal.

    Amazing. The hubris.

  29. I’m glad they’re letting this twit have it.

    How cruel this idea.

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