Immigration

As soccer superstar David Beckham kicks off the Los Angeles Galaxy's 2008 season, Drew Carey asks what this says about immigration in the U.S. in a new reason.tv video.

While workers from Mexico draw the ire and fiery rhetoric of anti-immigration forces, there was no outrage or concern when the English-speaking soccer hero brought his family and curling free kicks to America.

"I think we should welcome all peaceful people to our country," says Drew Carey. "They get to the pursue the 'American Dream' and we get to benefit from all the wonderful things that immigrants bring to our country-like good old fashioned soccer. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me."

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  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    Soccer is a reason to Build The Wall and keep out immigrants.

  • DJF||

    Yep, anything to keep out a bunch of guys in shorts taking 90 minutes to run around and fall down to pretend they were fouled so they can miss a penalty shot.

    Be more interesting watching Mexicans picking fruit.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Have they improved their feigned mortal injury acting since the 1980s? Sounds like an opportunity for government to save Hollywood acting teachers. "The Life Acting Preservation Bill" is a possible title.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Soccer is a reason to Build The Wall and keep out immigrants.

    THIS

    All spectator sports suck. Soccer is the Nicole of spectator sports.

  • Almanian!||

    What Longtorso said

  • Harvard||

    With any luck at all the game is now subject to Americanization.

    Sticks perhaps, might make the game palatable.

    Eye gouging? Maybe a bit overstated, but indeed an improvement.

  • Harvard||

    Perhaps I will reconsider. My sister's sons are short, thin girly males.

    Gives them something to do outdoors I suppose.

  • fish||

    You could have them mow, trim and edge.....that's an outdoor activity.

  • Hawk Spitui||

    I hear Reason is hiring interns...

  • Slammer||

    World Cup is the once every four years opportunity for people who know fuck all about sports and don't watch them to look down on those of us who do.

  • Almanian!||

    Keep telling yourself that

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Soccer is like immigration. It's un-American.

  • Almanian!||

    SNAP.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Soccer, like immigration, is foreign, boring, and probably gay.

  • Irish||

    Craiginmass is officially our dumbest troll.

    I just read the comments on the Nader video where he claims that without Nader we would all be getting mangled in 20 MPH car accidents because apparently no one would have bought a seat belt without Nader telling them to do so.

  • Sevo||

    So he and Tony were having a retard-fest and I'm wondering which one was played by Jim Carrie and which was played by Jeff Daniels?

  • Rev-Match||

    I breezed through that as well. He had nothing but false premises and has clearly put zero effort in trying to learn what his ideological differs believe.

  • Irish||

    Progressive firebrand caught plagiarizing, resulting in the New Republic writing a paragraph totally lacking in self awareness.

    Given Hedges’s institutional pedigree, this discovery shocked the editors at Harper’s. Hedges had been a star foreign correspondent at the Times, where he reported from war zones and was part of the team that won the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for covering global terrorism. In 2002, he had received the Amnesty International Global Award for Human Rights Journalism. He is a fellow at the Nation Institute. He has taught at Princeton University and Columbia University. He writes a weekly column published in the widely read progressive website Truthdig and frequently republished on the Truthout website. He is the author of twelve books, including the best-selling American Fascists. Since leaving the Times in 2005, he has evolved into a polemicist of the American left. For his fierce denunciations of the corporate state, his attacks on the political elite, and his enthusiasm for grassroots revolt, he has secured a place as a firebrand revered among progressive readers.

    Yeah, how could someone with all those far left credentials end up being a scumbag? The left is so well known for their mild, temperate personalities and willingness to play by the rules.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Amith Shlaes issues a cartoon edition of her anti-New Deal work, The Forgotten Man:

    "By turning their collective nose up at graphic books, conservatives surrender education ground to the more artful progressives. In the case of economics, conservatives leave fans of markets, not to mention fans of balanced history, unequipped to rebut when the progressive cartoon books come along. In the end, I finally found the artist, a brave and talented Canadian maestro named Paul Rivoche, to produce a graphic version of Forgotten Man. The book is out this week, which is what provoked this column. But many other illustrated histories are necessary too. Where is the new cartoon Animal Farm? And where is Paul Johnson’s illustrated Modern Times, which would look so fine in Tintin style? The graphic novel is a genre that can serve conservatives as well as it does progressives. But only if those conservatives can picture that."

    http://www.nationalreview.com/.....ity-shlaes

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Jeff Shesol denounces the cartoons in the New Yorker

    "And it’s hard to deny Shlaes her point. There is nothing inherently liberal about the medium. It starts with empty panels; you can fill them up with anything. If the Zinns and Saccos are using this tool, why not the Shlaeses and—someday—the Coulters?

    "If “Graphic Edition” is a commercial success, we can surely expect to see more books like it on the rightward reaches of the shelf. But perhaps we should find a different name for the genre. The second word in “graphic novel,” after all, is not incidental. The most important graphic novels—books like Art Spiegelman’s “Maus” and Marjane Satrapi’s “Persepolis”—are truly literary works, rich with complexity and ambiguity, even in addressing the theme of good and evil. In the modern conservative movement you have, by contrast, a denial of complexity and an abhorrence of nuance; you have what the historian Richard Hofstadter, half a century ago in his “Anti-Intellectualism in American Life,” called “the one-hundred per cent mentality”—a mindset that “tolerate[s] no ambiguities, no equivocations, no reservations, and no criticism.” This makes for pretty good propaganda, but lousy literature."

    http://www.newyorker.com/onlin.....entry-more

  • Sansos||

    Mentioning "The most important graphic novels," without talking about the epic Sandman series, is like talking about English literature without talking about Shakespear.

  • PapayaSF||

    In the modern conservative movement you have, by contrast, a denial of complexity and an abhorrence of nuance

    Bull. It's the left that insists on centralized, top-down, one-size-fits-all government regulation and programs. That is the real "denial of complexity and abhorrence of nuance."

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Amity not Amith

  • GILMORE||

    "Bill Bennett, one who gets the medium, noted recently"

    Amity = you use the 1980s Drug Warrior pioneer as your 'book critic'?

    Sigh.

  • Homple||

    Looks like that Cantor thing has reason.com sweating.

  • Hawk Spitui||

    Between that and the EU elections, expect tantrums for weeks...

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    I am really not sure how a massive government building project that gets these results, even before the first red card, really help anybody.

  • ||

    So, shall this be the open thread?

    Yes? Excellent! Let's read something stupid:

    You know what would make software better? State licensing!

    Frailey suggests that software engineers should be
    required to demonstrate a certain level of expertise before
    offering their services to the public, just like professionals in
    disciplines like medicine and law.

    “Anybody can claim to be a heart surgeon but how do you know
    whether they’re any good?” Frailey said. “You start by saying, ‘Do
    you have a medical license?’”
    Despite all these warnings, in 2012 a group of
    Republicans in the Senate, led by John McCain, blocked a bill that
    would have created new standards to oversee cyber threats to the
    nation’s infrastructure because, they argued, it would be too
    expensive for corporations to follow the proposed new rules.

    That attitude is dangerously shortsighted—as society becomes
    increasingly dependent on technology the average person (or average
    congressperson) doesn’t understand, it’s necessary to have
    regulations in place to minimize coding failures that can leave
    people without power or worse.
  • Austrian Anarchy||

    The Nader thread is further down.

  • Jerry on the sea||

    Can't wait for the English to self-destruct against Portugal today.

  • Dances-with-Trolls||

    Don't they typically wait until the third game of group play or the first round of the knockouts to self destruct as to more agonizingly tear their countrymen's hearts out?

  • Rhywun||

    Well, Spain and Uruguay didn't wait - why not England too.

  • Timon 19||

    England isn't even in Portugal's group.

    They play Italy today.

    The US plays Portugal a week from today.

  • Jerry on the sea||

    Yes, Italy my bad.

  • Jerry on the sea||

    GK: man city
    RB: liverpool
    CB: chelsea
    CB: man utd
    LB: everton
    No worries!

  • wwhorton||

    I think you mean Italy.

    Yeah, that's gonna be must-see TV. I don't get the English national team. I mean, we're sort of a decent C-grade team that occasionally shows sparks of brilliance, but, in all fairness, MLS gets outperformed by the WNBA in ratings. There isn't a football/soccer culture in this country.

    But the British live and breathe that shit. I mean, with the exception (or aberration) of cricket, that's basically the only serious professional sport. There's rugby, but that seems a little like hockey in the US; a dedicated but modest fan base.

    So how the shit do the English always wind up self-destructing in the World Cup? Is there just not enough local talent anymore? Is it like baseball in the US, where a good chunk of the most talented professionals are from other countries?

  • Timon 19||

    TV ratings for MLS may not be as good as WNBA, but attendance is no match. MLS has managed to pop into that area just behind hockey quite well.

    As far as there not being a soccer culture in the US, that betrays a total lack of paying attention the last 20 years. Once again, the US will send the most fans by far to this World Cup, and aside from Mexican immigrants (many of whom also root for the US), a large plurality are US fans first.

    There absolutely is a soccer culture here, an it's huge. TV coverage is only a small part of it, and judging by the ratings every 4 years, it's pretty damn big. A big piece of evidence that it's only getting bigger is that this is the last tournament ESPN will broadcast for a while because they got massively outbid for the next two, which will be back in unfriendly time zones.

  • Irish||

    TV ratings for MLS may not be as good as WNBA, but attendance is no match. MLS has managed to pop into that area just behind hockey quite well.

    MLS actually gets more people per game than the NBA.

    Of course, MLS plays in larger stadiums and there are far fewer games, both of which give the MLS an advantage in per game attendance. It's still important to mention their attendance rates because they show pretty good evidence of getting more and more popular.

  • Timon 19||

    MLS gets more people per game than the NHL, too, and they're not far off of MLB.

    Now, you're right about the numbers of games, but we're comparing leagues that have a 60-110 year gap in history. That and the payrolls are completely different.

    A 20-year-old league that started mostly from nothing and competes not just with the other US sports but with massive leagues around the world...well, it's a pretty good feat for it to be where it is.

    As for the stadiums, for the most part, the soccer-specific stadiums that most of the league uses are on par with NBA or NHL areas as far as capacity (sometimes smaller). They can scale up, of course. Seattle plays in a cavernous NFL stadium, and it regularly puts a ton of people in it. But for the most part, the capacities are 18-23k or so.

  • ||

    MLS gets poor tv ratings but they also have poor TV contracts, thats about to change at least a little with the new deal. I can't even watch my local games.

    EPL coverage on the other hand has huge ratings even though its on weekend mornings. Liga MX also has great ratings.

  • Timon 19||

    EPL has huge ratings in part BECAUSE it's on weekend mornings.

    In part.

    The last MLS contract was pretty big (something like $90 million all told?). It may not be executed very well, though.

  • Dances-with-Trolls||

    Dude, Reason, if you are going to trot out a bunch of stale threads for the weekend at least have the decency to put the one new thread about the glorious victory of our artisanal cheese-crafting comrades on top.

  • Sevo||

    "What Can Soccer Tell Us About Immigration?"

    That US'ers ain't the only ones to think a game played by men matters?

  • Sevo||

    Lefty columnist confused and amazed regarding the invisible hand; thinks it's brand new, 'cause watermelons:

    "Silicon Valley embraces open source as a moneymaker"
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/art.....hc-bustech

  • GILMORE||

    "What can Soccer Tell us About Immigration"

    Uhm.

    "immigration is"
    - tedious and never ending
    - stupid people get really excited about it
    - people fall down and cry every now and then and everyone has to pretend like they care but they really dont
    - in the end people mostly dislike it because they dont think America is kicking anyone's ass

    ? did i miss something

  • The Late P Brooks||

    You people are fucked up.

    LE MANS

    Who cares about fags rolling around in the grass?

  • Timon 19||

    People who don't care about fags driving around a course for 24-hours.

    (This sort of thing is exactly what pisses me off about SoccerFan - the need to tear down one sport in order to glorify another - and yes, I know that was part tongue-in-cheek)

  • Almanian!||

    MotoGP at Catalunya. There's a Latin-language-based location with an event worth watching.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    THAT WHICH DOES NOT INTEREST ME MUST BE BAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNED!

  • Beezard||

    The U.S. looked fuckin good against Nigeria. We pass like that and make it back to defend in time and we might just make it out of Hell Group.

  • Beezard||

    And as far as the soccer hating, every sport is tedious and stupid if you're not into it. Soccer is like Guinness. It's an acuired taste but once you like it it might be all you want.

    I'd say there's nothing worse than a bad soccer match and nothing better than a good one. The joy comes in the way it's played, not the amount of goals. There is such a thing as an awesome 0-0 draw.

    The Cup to me is more of a quasi-religious ritualized form of warfare and celebration of nationalism. It's how our natural human tendency towards nationalism should be cultivated and pruned. Much better than real religion or nationalism. I always found it strange how many flag wavers bash the game when it's the one that matters to everyone else. You can piss of Mexicans way better by beating them at footie. The United States and everything it stands for was always much better when we were underdogs taking on the world. You get that on the international level with soccer.

  • Timon 19||

    Did you notice the a-capella extended versions of the Chilean and Colombian anthems? They delayed the Aussie and the Greek anthems by quite a bit.

    It was a pretty awesome spectacle.

    I find it epically hilarious how many lefties don't realize that the Gadsden flag is more a symbol of (unfortunately) hipster soccer fandom as it is of the Teathuglikkkan racists.

  • Beezard||

    Yeah. Love it.

    I dig the regionalized forms of cheering too. The Chileans (Argentinians too I think) have that rhythmic whistle thing . I was at a friendly with El Salvador and they'd all stomp. 5,000-10,000 people could just shake the whole stadium, it's pretty wild. I still like rude songs ala the English, myself.

  • Beezard||

    Hate the plastic horns though. 2010 was an awful atmosphere.

  • lap83||

    I played soccer for about 6 years, but I don't get the appeal as a spectator sport.

  • Timon 19||

    Congratulations.

  • lap83||

    "What can soccer tell us about immigration?"

    and the winner for hipstertarian article title of the year goes to..

  • Hawk Spitui||

    Oh lookie! She's baaaack!!

  • Almanian!||

    Yeah, they addressed this on RedEye two nights ago. What an insufferable cunt.

  • Hawk Spitui||

    Looks like she just can't let it go. At least this time she gave PapayaSF and chmercier "honorable" mention. Looks like AlterNet will be a target rich environment for some time to come.

  • PapayaSF||

    Sheesh. How strange that she chose my comment as an example of terrible things said about her, and not the quote I was responding to.

    jmomls | 6.12.14 @ 3:32PM
    You know what offends me? Fat ugly liberal harridans in smelly old birkenstocks who think it's a good idea to overpay for trendy hipster foodstuffs.

    To which I replied:

    PapayaSF | 6.12.14 @ 4:03PM
    Actually, she's a pretty hot MILF.

    And I'm the one showing "rage" and "fear" via "insults"?

  • C. Anacreon||

    She obviously put that in, while "crying foul", to show everyone that someone thinks she's a hottie.

  • PapayaSF||

    I'm actually getting some upvotes on AlterNet for defending myself. Of course, Disqus no longer shows number of downvotes, so who knows how many of those there are. And a few people insist I still "objectified" her in a "degrading" way.

  • Hawk Spitui||

    Same as they say - no good deed goes unpunished. Next time you'll know better.

  • Flemur||

    "Soccer was invented by European ladies to keep them busy while their husbands did the cooking."

  • Almanian!||

    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!

  • Timon 19||

    The Ticos did themselves proud. I'll look forward to watching that tonight. I was pretty shocked when I checked my phone in the 60th minute or so.

  • Timon 19||

    Whoa. Italy scores, then England responds a couple of minutes later. Really the only way they were going to be able to stay in it. England's physio stretchered off for...excessive celebration?

  • Timon 19||

    England is lucky to be level, though. Italy is doing whatever they want on England's left side.

  • Beezard||

    England's attack was all exciting and new for about 60 minutes. I thought they might tie it up. Then they spent the last 30 minutes trying to walk it right through the middle of 11 Italians instead of getting behind them at speed. Over and over. 30 minutes. Same old England.

  • Timon 19||

    Balotelli with the header to put Italy in front. Poor marking, great cross, professional finish.

    After that Keystone Kops routine near the end of the half where Jagielka had to bail out Hart, a second for Italy seemed likely.

    England has responded well, though.

  • Timon 19||

    Nice dive, Stevie G. Wanker.

  • Beezard||

    Any sheistyness vs. Italy is cosmically and karmically deserved from now until Armageddon. They are the worst sort of manipulative divers, whiners, referee swarmers out there. And that's saying something considering Brazil and Portugal exist.

    I despise purely defensive football when they have the obvious talent to go forward, and they deserve to be punished by an equalizer every time they do it. But they usually don't get punished because they're that good. And flopping and parking the bus wins games. It's undeniable.

    I'm still chafing from 2006 when I had to pay the Sicilians I worked near $10 on a bet after Australia outplayed them with plucky inspired determination only to have Italy flop in the box at 80+ minutes. I morally don't feel I lost that bet. But they were Sicilian so I felt I better cough up.

  • Timon 19||

    Holy smokes, Italy is playing very un-Italian defense. They've been letting England - ENGLAND - have some very good chances in the box.

  • Timon 19||

    The last 20 minutes have been more catenaccio-like. It's like a switch flipped.

  • Timon 19||

    Cote d'Ivoire are level...and now they're up!

    Holy shit!

  • PapayaSF||

    While workers from Mexico draw the ire and fiery rhetoric of anti-immigration forces, there was no outrage or concern when the English-speaking soccer hero brought his family and curling free kicks to America.

    What an idiotic comparison. In essence it says: "Some people object to millions of uneducated, sometimes criminal and even diseased poor people from Mexico showing up uninvited, and yet those same people don't object to an English-speaking millionaire and his family moving here."

    Yeah, what a paradox! Those hypocrites and their nonsensical distinctions!

  • Beezard||

    But they'll work the jobs nobody wants. Like construction retail or food service.

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