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Exclusive: Ron Paul Responds To New Republic Story

About an hour ago I followed Ron Paul outside the Radisson in Manchester, NH to get his response to James Kirchick's explosive New Republic piece, "Angry White Man." The article goes through the Texas Republican's newsletters from the 1970s through the 1990s, and finds dozens of offensive comments about gays, blacks, and other targets.

I was told by Paul's staff it was old news and he didn't want to talk about it, but I asked the candidate a few questions as he moved to his car.

Here's a transcript:

reason: Do you have any response to The New Republic's article about your newsletters?

Ron Paul: All it is--it's old stuff. It's all been rehashed. It's all political stuff.

reason: Why don't you release all the old letters?

Paul: I don't even have copies of them, because it's ancient history.

reason: Do you stand by what appears in the letters? Did you write these...?

Paul: No. I've discussed all of that in the past. It's just old news.


reason: Did the New Republic talk to you before they ran it?


Paul: No, I never talked to them.

reason: What do you think of Martin Luther King?

Paul: Martin Luther King is one of my heroes because he believed in nonviolence and that's a libertarian principle. Rosa Parks is the same way. Gandhi, I admire. Because they're willing to take on the government, they were willing to take on bad laws. So I believe in civil disobedience if you understand the consequences. Martin Luther King was a great person because he did that and he changed America for the better because of that.

reason: You didn't write the derogatory things about him in the letter?

Paul: No.

Paul's position is basically that he wrote the newsletters he stands by and someone else wrote the stuff he has disowned.

Matt Welch blogged an MSNBC appearance by Kirchick yesterday.

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Comments to "Exclusive: Ron Paul Responds To New Republic Story":

Edward | January 8, 2008, 3:49pm | #

Wow, very forthcoming.

jkp | January 8, 2008, 3:51pm | #

Disappointing.

Bingo | January 8, 2008, 3:52pm | #

incoming clusterfuck of a comment thread in 3..2..1...

Gene Trosper | January 8, 2008, 3:52pm | #

What will kill the Paul campaign is the refusal to deal with this in a direct, no holds barred manner.

ed | January 8, 2008, 3:53pm | #

But is this the end, the beginning of the end, or merely the end of the beginning?

KJ | January 8, 2008, 3:54pm | #

It was a dirty tactic on the Kirchick's part. I mean, if he took some time to do some research, contact Paul's campaign folks, and etc. I'm sure this all could've been dealt with accordingly, but he went through with it for some personal reason, not journalistic ethos.

This makes me disappointed since I support the New Republic, but looks like they lost another customer by publishing this piece.

Brett | January 8, 2008, 3:55pm | #

Old news or not, very disappointing. Crap like this will likely cause him to lose his congressional seat as well.

joe | January 8, 2008, 3:55pm | #

First time I've seen Paul act like a standard-issue politician.

Old news. Rehashed. A staffer who's been let go.

When did he hire Ari Fleischer?

Captain Chaos | January 8, 2008, 3:56pm | #

Has this thing hit the major media outlets yet?
If they pick up the story, it will almost certainly be the end of the campaign. Racism is one of those accusations that is so toxic that truth (in this case, Paul apparently didn't write the articles in question and gives no signs of being a bigot) is no defense. It was a great ride while it lasted, anyway.

fyodor | January 8, 2008, 3:56pm | #

I guess everyone's thinking the same thing, but I'll come out and say that I'm never happy when a candidate says something's old news or politically motivated or that he's addressed it before, although the last of those may be pardonable if he doesn't have the time or resources to adequately address it at the moment, then he can refer as specifically as possible to when he did, which of course Paul doesn't do here. It may be frustrating to address inflamatory stuff you've addressed before, but so it goes, that's how it works. But it doesn't make sense to say it's old news since if it's being discussed now it's current news, and so what if a charge is politically motivated, that has nothing to do with its truth or validity.

WLMH | January 8, 2008, 3:57pm | #

Kirchick admits he's a mere propagandist, not a journalist: http://gays-for-ron.blogspot.com/2008/01/jamie-kirchick-i-dont-think-ron-paul-is.html

Other information about the article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/018418.html

Mike Henderson | January 8, 2008, 3:57pm | #

Is this the best the Old Media can do? To rehash long-since disproven charges of bigotry?

Ron fired the guy who wrote much of this crap and repudiated his vitriol, but it seems the Old Media is getting very desperate.

Gene Trosper | January 8, 2008, 3:58pm | #

The Paul campaign just released
this statement
.

It's a start, I suppose.

highnumber | January 8, 2008, 3:58pm | #

Now that I have finished reading the article, here is the definitive take on it:

The anti-black and anti-gay stuff are just awful, awful things to have one's name associated with. The bits about Israel don't seem that extreme. Kirchick doesn't quote anything anti-Semitic at all. The warnings to militias seem reasonable. RP's associations with crackpots outside his newsletter don't seem like that big of a deal. Get active in anti-(big)government movements, even if you are perfectly sane and reasonable, and you will find yourself associating with some people who are totally rational about something like foreign policy or property rights and totally bonkers about the ATF or the FDA or something.

Kirchick tells us that the newsletters were "consistently saturated in racism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and conspiracy-mongering." He does not demonstrate that. He shows that racism and homophobia played in the newsletters on at least some occasions. Paul and his campaign should answer for that.

njgood | January 8, 2008, 3:58pm | #

The fact that very few of the newsletters have any kind of bylines are NOT going to help his case in the least.

Stephen The Goldberger | January 8, 2008, 3:59pm | #

i dont understand, what do you guys want him to say??

JW | January 8, 2008, 3:59pm | #

Meh. Weak defense. How did it happen multiple times? He doesn't read what his office puts out?

Crap, now I'll have to go and read the article.

Kane | January 8, 2008, 3:59pm | #

GRRRRRRR I take back my endorsement. GRRR

Ayn_Randian | January 8, 2008, 3:59pm | #

I don't know if I blame him...he doesn't have a lot of MSM visibility, and this certainly isn't the way the one would want to gain it.

fyodor | January 8, 2008, 4:00pm | #

This will not satisfy people shocked by the Kirchick piece, but Paul's position is basically that he wrote the newsletters he stands by and someone else wrote the stuff he has disowned.

I take it this is what Paul said when he "discussed all of that in the past"?

Guy Montag | January 8, 2008, 4:00pm | #

TNR just did a glowing article on the Dr. Paul staffers. Sounds like they are not forcing a position from the editors down to the reporters. Or, perhaps, they are trying to play both sides?

Ray Robison | January 8, 2008, 4:00pm | #

Old news? Is there a statute of limitations on being a racist, old kook?


Ray Robison is the author of Both In One Trench: Saddam's Secret Terror Documents'

http://www.bothinonetrench.com

Rand Thinker | January 8, 2008, 4:00pm | #

Ron Paul is a huge threat to rich white men. By the way would a racist want to repeal federal drug laws?

Tom Camp | January 8, 2008, 4:00pm | #

What did he say that isn't true. It may be politcally incorrect, but its all true.

njgood | January 8, 2008, 4:01pm | #

Also, it's not like these were newsletters he was merely "associated with". These were put out under HIS NAME.

Whether he wrote them or not...that's not a good look.

Braden | January 8, 2008, 4:01pm | #

The guy who 'broke' the story admitted he didn't believe his own accusations and that he was trying to get a candidate's supporters 'riled up', and because Dr. Paul's are so enthusiastic they were an easy target.

Now suddenly it's on Drudge and MSNBC? Ridiculous!

Evan | January 8, 2008, 4:01pm | #

The reason he says it is old news is because it WAS brought up in his congressional campaign and debunked.

ChicagoTom | January 8, 2008, 4:01pm | #

That was disappointing.

Look, if a newsletter goes out with your fucking name on, you own it. And even if he didn't write it, or read/approve it, that doesn't excuse anything. That makes him incompetent and stupid and possibly lazy. He should have had more input on it. It was going out in his name.

IMHO, This whole hiding behind an ex-staffer is cowardly, and so is his refusal to talk about it.

For someone who is supposed to be so gosh darn principled and forth-coming he sure seems to want to avoid this subject and deflect any and all responsibility.

Burt | January 8, 2008, 4:01pm | #

This was a blatant smear job.

It was a hit piece.

And it won't work.

JW | January 8, 2008, 4:01pm | #

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

Yeah, that wasn't too smart of a thing to do.

Look | January 8, 2008, 4:02pm | #

lets not forget who the New Republic is, they're agenda driven socialists, for gods sake. Paul is right it's "political", a smear job.

RALPH | January 8, 2008, 4:02pm | #

RON PAUL HAS BEEN EXPOSED AS AN AGENT OF PIAPS!!!!

thinkahead | January 8, 2008, 4:02pm | #

What a bunch of nervous nellies, all of you. And so ready to jump ship, too. Did you think this sort of smear campaign wasn't coming? We haven't seen anything yet. Think about the Institutions whose existence are threatened by a successful Paul candidacy.

joe | January 8, 2008, 4:03pm | #

I guess we finally have our answer to the question "Why would Don Black donate money to a libertarian?"

Brian Carnell | January 8, 2008, 4:03pm | #

"This will not satisfy people shocked by the Kirchick piece, but Paul's position is basically that he wrote the newsletters he stands by and someone else wrote the stuff he has disowned."

Um, David, does that explanation satisfy you? Maybe if he was running for mayor, that's one thing, but we already have enough nonsensical "plausible deniability" and passing the buck to take seriously the claim that Paul gets to pick and choose which quotes from his own newsletter count.

mambu152 | January 8, 2008, 4:03pm | #

I thought as much. He kept shouting about neocons at all the debates.

Guy Montag | January 8, 2008, 4:03pm | #

Ayn_Randian,

Check Forums: AKO Discussions (Group: AKO Discussions), there is a thread related to this over there.

Gene Trosper | January 8, 2008, 4:03pm | #

Having personally been involved in the libertarian movement since 1988, I can attest to the crackpots we can attract. I remember seeing a couple of NAMBLA members at the 1993 LP national convention and at a california LP canvention in 1994, a booth was selling The Spotlight and other anti-semitic/racist garbage. We banded together and physically moved their booth far away from the other vendors. Interestingly, some LP members objected to the move because we "violated" the contact that vendor had with the LPC to sell their wares.

ed | January 8, 2008, 4:03pm | #

Damn! And he was this close to winning the nomination.

Warren | January 8, 2008, 4:04pm | #

Letting something slip by with your name on it is forgivable. Having it happen time and again over decades is not. If Paul doesn't finish in the money today in NH it won't matter. Everyone will go back to ignoring him. If he does outperform his poll numbers, this could be big trouble for him.

goddamnit

Ben | January 8, 2008, 4:04pm | #

That's a pretty sloppy article. And none of the stuff quoted sounds like any of Paul's other articles or essays. The author clearly has an agenda here.

Bill Whalker | January 8, 2008, 4:05pm | #

I smell Bagels on this smear job.
Neo Cons are running scared.

Jack F | January 8, 2008, 4:05pm | #

Let's see the newsletters before we jump to contusions.

Joe | January 8, 2008, 4:05pm | #

It is over for Ron Paul. No way he surivives this. He needed to run a perfect campaign to make it into March, but this is a deal killer.

Lamuella | January 8, 2008, 4:05pm | #

how shocking. He stands by the stuff that makes him look good and disowns the stuff that exposes him as a petty bigot.

Either he was involved in the hateful words put out in the newsletter, or he was incompetent enough to let a newsletter with this kind of evil garbage be put out IN HIS NAME for years and years.

Either way it doesn't look good.

joe | January 8, 2008, 4:05pm | #

Yes, it's a hit piece. Yes, Kirchick is disreputable.

So, does that make the ink disappear off the back issues?

Jamie Kirchick is a P.o.S., therefore it's ok that this crap was published under Ron Paul's name.

The phrase "as homenim" gets thrown around here a lot, whenever someone calls someone else a mean name, but that's not what ad homenim means.

Bingo | January 8, 2008, 4:05pm | #

James Kirchick is the biggest troll in the world.

Ayn_Randian | January 8, 2008, 4:06pm | #

ChicagoTom, could you be more hysterical?

his refusal to talk about it.

He did talk about it. He said it's old news.

Look, if a newsletter goes out with your fucking name on, you own it. And even if he didn't write it, or read/approve it, that doesn't excuse anything. That makes him incompetent and stupid and possibly lazy. He should have had more input on it. It was going out in his name.

He's never said that it excuses him. He's taken responsibility for the fact it went out in his name.

From the Statement: "For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”"

So yeah, you can hush now. He's talked about it, said he acknowledges that he has moral responsibility for it but said he didn't write the material or endorse.

What do you guys want, tears or something?

Never Ends | January 8, 2008, 4:06pm | #

Racism has been a plague on America for so long. And so many of these comments in the article are not racist, but the reaction to call them racist certainly is. Other comments are indefensible. Luckily, liberty is color blind. As a fierce anti-racist, I will continue to support Ron Paul.

From RP | January 8, 2008, 4:06pm | #

Campaign Response:

January 8, 2008 5:28 am EST

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul issued the following statement:

“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

Cesar | January 8, 2008, 4:06pm | #

People actually read The New Republic?

joe | January 8, 2008, 4:07pm | #

Evan,

What was debunked? The Ron Paul Freedom/Survival Report DIDN'T say what Jamie Kirchick reports?

Pig Mannix | January 8, 2008, 4:07pm | #

I thought Kirchick was going to provide photo-copies of the newsletters - where are they?

Tammy | January 8, 2008, 4:08pm | #

A Fitting End for Ron Paul

Dean Barnett captured the Ron Paul phenomenon best with this analysis, appropriately titled "The 'Don't Tase Me, Bro' Candidate." But now the New Republic's Jamie Kirchick has finally found the documents that prove what most of us knew all along: Dr. Paul isn't just kooky, he's deranged. (You may not be able to get through to the TNR server, probably because it's been spiked by Drudge traffic though I don't discount the possibility that the Ron Paul blimp has met its fate in some kind of kamikaze mission against the TNR offices.) Kirchick found the documents at the University of Kansas and the Wisconsin Historical Society, and while they often contain no bylines, they are published in Ron Paul's name, and frequently written in the first person:


[W]hoever actually wrote them, the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul's name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him--and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing--but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics.


I won't reproduce the quotes here, but there is no plausible explanation that might insulate Paul from the fallout. Kirchick and others attacked Paul a few months back over his failure to return a $500 check from a prominent white supremacist. At the time, Paul had explained that he couldn't possibly screen ever donor. Of course he couldn't, but the media had screened this one for him, and he refused to give back the money anyway. Now we know why. He's been speaking in code to the dregs of American society this whole time. And he had no intention of alienating his base of support.

CJ Maloney | January 8, 2008, 4:08pm | #

A disappointing response by Dr. Paul to this issue. Surprising, because he had to KNOW it was bound to come up eventually.

I have read the newsletters on line for an article I wrote, and the writing was certainly NOT his. That being said, his response to the issue, which is NOT old news to many people who have never heard of him before, was tepid, at best.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/malone2.html

chris | January 8, 2008, 4:08pm | #

"People actually read The New Republic?"

No, but DailyKos and Little Green Footballs will team up with them if it involves smearing Ron Paul.

David Duke | January 8, 2008, 4:08pm | #

So what's the problem here?

Allen Lottinger | January 8, 2008, 4:08pm | #

This is just a distraction from the real issue. What is more racist, publishing colorful opinions in a newsletter 20 years ago which were probably used out of context in The New Republic (owned by Murdoch), or policies which have led to the deaths of hundreds of African Americans and hundreds of thousands of Arabs, not to mention the maimed and emotionally wounded. This is how the media works, they emphasize the trivial and ignore the truth. Wake up everybody!!!

Ayn_Randian | January 8, 2008, 4:08pm | #

Besides, NH is today and I doubt that this is really going to affect the voting in a significant way.

Sam Grove | January 8, 2008, 4:08pm | #

I'm sure he's learned something about what you can trust others with. Obviously he mistakenly placed his trust in someone he shouldn't have.

I do remember this being hashed out on this site in the past year. The timing tells us all we need to know about it.

ed | January 8, 2008, 4:08pm | #

I can't help but wondering what this thread will look like after the 400th post...

JJ | January 8, 2008, 4:08pm | #

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul issued the following statement:

“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

Steven | January 8, 2008, 4:09pm | #

So either Paul is a racist/bigot/homphobe/anti-semite (true) or he's an incompetent naive fool (also true) who allowed un-named staffers write this filth under his name for YEARS without ever checking on them? What kind of leader does that say he is?

Sorry Paulians (actually not really), the Truth (you all should be real familiar with that work) about your Messiah has been exposed again and your pathetic mob tactics won't work again.

4truth1 | January 8, 2008, 4:10pm | #

You are being lied and manipulated by the media. They want war. They are agents of death and are lying about Ron Paul, because he threatens them.

RON PAUL'S OWN WORDS:

Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of H. Res. 58. I saw Muhammad Ali as a man of great courage, and I admired him for this, not because of the courage that it took to get in a ring and fight men bigger than he, but because of his stance in 1967.

In 1967, he was 25 years old. He was the heavyweight champion of the world, and for religious beliefs, he practiced what Martin Luther King made popular, civil disobedience, because he disagreed with the war. I thought his comments were rather astute at the time and were not complex, but he merely said, I have no quarrel with the Viet-Cong. He said the Viet-Cong never called him a name, and because of his religious convictions, he said he did not want to serve in the military. He stood firm, a man of principle, and I really admired this as a quality.

He is known, of course, for his athletic skills and his humanitarian concerns, and these are rightly mentioned in a resolution like this. But I do want to emphasize this because, to me, it was so important and had such impact, in reality, what Muhammad Ali did eventually led to getting rid of the draft, and yet we as a people and we as a Congress still do not have the conviction that Muhammad Ali had, because we still have the selective service; we say, let us not draft now, but when the conditions are right, we will bring back the draft and bring back those same problems that we had in the 1960s.

I see what Muhammad Ali did as being very great. He deserves this recognition, but we should also praise him for being a man of principle and willing to give up his title for 3 years at the age of 25 at the prime of his career. How many of us give up something to stand on principle? He was a man of principle. He believed it and he stood firm, so even those who may disagree with his position may say at least he stood up for what he believed in. He suffereconsequences and fortunately was eventually vindicated.

LJ | January 8, 2008, 4:10pm | #

This piece written in the New Republic more or less jibes with the perception I had of Paul while growing up in Lake Jackson: an extremist who was always on the fringe.

s. danori | January 8, 2008, 4:10pm | #

Ron Paul may or may not believe the things written in his newsletter. But, assuming the newsletter was not free, he has made money off these racist conspiracy groups for decades. Not unlike Alex Jones (albeit much more under-the-radar).

Brad | January 8, 2008, 4:10pm | #

The newsletter was put out by a seperate corporate entity in which he held a small minority position. It was a business over which he presumably had little control or oversight. Most of the smear pieces had nothing to do with his campaign office or campaign, and whenever somebody was involved that person was fired.

You can talk all you want about the newsletters, but the voting record and his public statements before the house and the people of the country represent an anti-collectivist, anti-racist platform and to me such individualist thinking is about as far from racism as you can get. I'd be hard pressed to find another candidate, especially on the dem side, who is more anti-racism than Dr. Paul is.

joe | January 8, 2008, 4:10pm | #

"For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”"

What does this mean? Does it mean he agrees that he is just as morally culpable as if the words came from his pen?

Jay F | January 8, 2008, 4:10pm | #

Well, if all the spin that has been put on him about who have aligned themselves with his campaign, this will surely get him elected!

If not, Hillary at least won't be the 2nd black president.

From The Keystrokes of John Q. Public | January 8, 2008, 4:10pm | #

Old Racist who has done pro bono work for women of low incomes, including black and hispanic women... Straight out of the pages of the KKK handbook right there. Not like he could get a woman of "color" to go on TV and say He delivered my baby pro bono.

Bingo | January 8, 2008, 4:10pm | #

Can everyone please flame each other without copying and pasting the same thing over and over again?

Sheesh.

DenisL | January 8, 2008, 4:11pm | #

This is all old news. And has been discussed and explained to my satisfaction many times. Ron Paul is the most pro-gay rights, anti-racist, and anti-sexist candidate running in either party, bar none. He is a libertarian in name and in principles. He would never have been nominated to be the LP presidential candidate if he was not pro-freedom for everyone, including the folks that all of us hate.
Ron Paul did not write these things in the old newsletter. Some one else did. The person was fired. Additionally, be careful of the context and the question being asked. Ron Paul does not speak in 30 second sound bites. It takes time to explain his positions on complicated issues where the government has been screwing things up for people and the harm needs to be undone. Furthermore by his actions over many years it is 110% clear that these accusations are all part of a smear campaign by the neocons to discredit Dr. Paul. The reason is simple; he is beginning to have his anti-war, pro-economic and pro-individual freedom message heard by America. And he is taking votes away from the other 5 pro-war candidates. Slowly but surely he is showing them all out to be inconsistent flip floppers! He is the un-politician. It is a simple and ugly smear campaign. That has been tried before. Check out his web site and his voting record for 30 years. He is the most consistent pro-individual rights person running. He voted against the Patriot act for gosh sakes! The New Republic, like Fox News, seems to have been taken over by the neocons present in both parties. I support and trust Ron Paul.

RALPH | January 8, 2008, 4:11pm | #

LEW ROCKWELL IS A TERRORIST-CODDLING, AMERICA-HATING, BUSH-LOATHING AGENT OF PIAPS!!!!

Mark | January 8, 2008, 4:11pm | #

This is old news. The only thing shocking is that none of you seem to be aware of these newsletters. I'm pretty sure it was even on drudge a few months back before it resurfaced here today. It's been brought up a couple of times in Paul's past congressional races as well.

RP supporter | January 8, 2008, 4:11pm | #

Well, if Ron Paul thought 30 years ago that Israel was spying the the US, that means I now think we should be in Iraq for the next 100 years and exectue pot smokers! TNR showed me the light!

Don | January 8, 2008, 4:12pm | #

This is old news ONLY if you never heard it before. Otherwise it is enlightment of Ron Paul's thought process.

Frank Rizzo | January 8, 2008, 4:13pm | #

Hopefully this sees the death of this moron's presidential campaign.

Dave | January 8, 2008, 4:13pm | #

A man w/ his record for defending individual liberties does NOT go and make statements like this. He's human and made a mistake by not editing his publication while he was occupied w/ delivering babies. Someone else printed this in his name, he didn't review it, and he's accepted moral responsibility for it. That takes a full grown man. I'm still going to vote for him in SPITE of this obvious smear job. Everyone of you should do the same thing...his message hasn't changed (that takes integrity), nor will my vote (I'm demonstrating my integrity).

VM | January 8, 2008, 4:13pm | #

"Ron Paul is the most pro-gay rights"

???

Allen | January 8, 2008, 4:13pm | #

Has the Soviet-style, self-policing brainwashing become so effective in this country that people react so viscerally to allegations of politically incorrect opinions? Even if he said these things or some of them -- so what? Do you really believe the Harvard and Yale boys, the power brokers, bankers, and high finance people that run this country and hold positions of power are choir boys? You're in a fight for your country and possibly your life and your playing right into to this kind of priggish, censorious non-sense intended to distract and divide. Hillary, Obama, Guiliani, and Romney aren't saints, you know -- a little bit of research into their writings or personal life will quickly reveal that. So Ron Paul might have said some uncomfortable, offensive things. So who you going to vote for -- the rest are soooooo much better and moral, right?

Todd | January 8, 2008, 4:13pm | #

"The only reason blacks stopped rioting in LA was because their welfare checks were ready to be picked up."

That's hilarious! Does anybody know if backcopies of RP's newsletters are available for purchase?

crimethink | January 8, 2008, 4:13pm | #

The racial slurs that Kirchick gives dates for are all from the years 1990-1994. This is exactly the same range of dates in which the stuff that came out 12 years ago was published. Kirchick's statement on MSNBC last night that it "spanned two decades" is, to put it kindly, not supported by the evidence he offers.

If you believed Dr Paul's explanation before, why do you not believe it now? That's what I don't get.

Michael Cathcart | January 8, 2008, 4:13pm | #

The campaign should have responded within minutes of Kircheks remarks on Tucker yesterday. I realize this is all old news and has been dealt with in the past, but that wont satisfy some. It is a political smear tactic on Kirchek's part, he needs his guy Giuliani, to beat Ron Paul today. That is the reason for drudging this back up. The New Republic is a disgisting leftwing/pro-war rag, which once referred to Ross Perot as a Hitler lover.

The new York Times attempting this kind of smear, and they were forced to retract their statements.

Kirchek admitted on Tucker that he has never seen or heard ron paul use anykind of racist statements in any kind of public speech or talk. Instead he insinuated that Paul uses codewords, never mentioned what those codewords were, but I have a feeling that the primary code word he is reffering to is "states rights." That left wing rag, hates states rights.

If anyone buys into this crap, especially being released the day of an important primary, and taking into account the background of the magazine (i.e. Stephen Glass, Pro-war agend) and taking into account the political leanings of Kirchek (a huge Giulini supporter, major neo-con, pro-war) and lastly take this email response into account from Kirchek: you can see it yourself at:
http://gays-for-ron.blogspot.com/2008/01/jamie-kirchick-i-dont-think-ron-paul-is.html


Hi Berin,

Thanks for writing; and I’m glad you enjoyed by [sic] piece in the Boston Globe. I’ll try and make the [DC Log Cabin Republicans] party tonight, though [LCR President] Patrick Sammon isn’t particularly happy with me after I wrote this piece [attacking LCR for not endorsing Giuliani, whom Kirchick calls "the most pro-gay Republican White House contender in history"]
http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid50709.asp

Anyways, I don’t think Ron Paul is a homophobe; I’m just cynical and enjoy getting supporters of political candidates riled up. If you were a Giuliani guy I’d have called him a fascist. But I must say, the Ron Paul supporters are the most enthusiastic of the bunch! [Emphasis added.]

Best,
Jamie

lol | January 8, 2008, 4:14pm | #

"No, but DailyKos and Little Green Footballs will team up with them if it involves smearing Ron Paul."

Ironic isnt it? the crazy socialists and the crazy war mongers unite as one to condemn who Senator McCain calls "the most honest man in congress"

TJ | January 8, 2008, 4:14pm | #

Everything the New Republic listed as being in the Ron Paul newsletters is either true or widely held as true. Go ahead, prove me wrong. BTW, isn't the New Republic the rag that makes up sensational stories?

Tannim | January 8, 2008, 4:14pm | #

So in other words, we pillory him for stuff allegedly written over twenty years ago, with no original sources, no real authorship, and the only link is the name of the newsletter they supposedly appeared in?

If this were a courtroom the case would be laughed out of court.

And the fact that this twerp went to obscure places to find this stuff indicates that he had an agenda to fulfill, to try to smear Dr. Paul, and that completely undermines his credibility.

So let's see the sources, and let's have this guy PROVE his allegations.

Sorry, I don't buy it.

And even if it were true, isn't it possible and entirely proper that people can change their views for the better???

4truth1 | January 8, 2008, 4:14pm | #

The New Republic is run by a man who wants to enslave you. Don't believe it's lies.

Herbert Croly and The New Republic
Posted by Bill Anderson at January 8, 2008 02:27 PM

The New Republic was founded by Herbert Croly, a "Progressive" who believed that the Constitution should be abolished in favor of the will of governing elites. Here is what Virginia Postrel wrote about him several years ago:

Crolyism overturned the ideal of limited government in favor of a combination of elite power — commissions to regulate and plan — and mass democracy.... Frustrated with constitutional limits, Croly wrote, “It remains ... true ... that every popular government should in the end, and after a necessarily prolonged deliberation, possess the power of taking any action, which, in the opinion of a decisive majority of the people, is demanded by the public welfare.” This statement, while extreme, pretty much sums up today’s governing philosophy.


So, keep in mind that this is the philosophy behind TNR. It is a view that the political elite need to tell everyone else what to do, and use lethal force against people who resist.

JackieLangley | January 8, 2008, 4:15pm | #

---Paul's position is basically that he wrote the newsletters he stands by and someone else wrote the stuff he has disowned.---

Figures, if we just take his word for it, then he is a tool who isn't bright enough to know what is being written in his name. If we don't believe him, he is just trying to cover for poor statements.

Either way, he is not presidential material.

JohnKing | January 8, 2008, 4:15pm | #

Obama is the only practicing racist in the Presidential field.

His church dogma is more pro-Africa than American, pretty disgusting to say the least. Read carefully, these people are full blown racists parading as christians.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

Tiquan | January 8, 2008, 4:15pm | #

What I don't understand is why he has to abandon the opinions in the newsletter...whether it makes people uncomfortable or not, the fact is that 95% of the material in the newsletter was spot-on.

fyodor | January 8, 2008, 4:15pm | #

It seems a little implausible that he had no idea, that it never got back to him, that this stuff was in his newsletters. It's possible, sure, but it's hard to swallow. The standards for proof for judging a presidential candidate are different from those in a court of law. Would I refuse to vote for Paul based on this? I don't know, and more info is probably required. Would I support him as enthusiastically now as I would have previously? No.

crimethink | January 8, 2008, 4:16pm | #

Bets on how long it takes this thread to crash Reason's servers?

I submitted a comment, and by the time it showed up, there were four comments below it already!

matt | January 8, 2008, 4:16pm | #

If you can't see this is an obvious smear job, then I suggest you vote for Romney. We don't need stupid people voting for Ron Paul.

Shiger | January 8, 2008, 4:16pm | #

Ummm.. If you are running for President, you are going to have to address this again Mr. Paul. The American public doesn't know you yet.

DenisL | January 8, 2008, 4:17pm | #

This is a repost from someone else with more detail on the smear.

Quote:" These were written by an outside writer and it was discussed many years ago in a Texas Monthly interview with Ron Paul.
Excerpt from the Texas Monthly interview
“What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.
When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, “I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren’t really written by me. It wasn’t my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady.” Paul says that item ended up there because “we wanted to do something on affirmative action, and it ended up in the newsletter and became personalized. I never personalize anything.”
His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: “They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn’t come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that’s too confusing. ‘It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it.’” It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. It seems, in retrospect, that it would have been far, far easier to have told the truth at the time.”

Since I believe in Ron Paul from watching him for 30 years, it is clear to me that he is protecting someone that is close to him. It must have been someone very close for him not to release the name. I can only surmise that he is protecting someone that he does not want to hurt. You and I can only speculate on why that might be. I can come up with several good reasons for him to do this. In any case he has repudiated the columns and outside of the weird non-Ron Paul writing style, there is nothing else of substance to this rehashed smear campaign from the neocons.

joel | January 8, 2008, 4:17pm | #

At least New Republic is consistent. I mean, look back at how they exposed the racism of Strom Thurmond and Trent Lott.

R C Dean | January 8, 2008, 4:17pm | #

A disappointing response by Dr. Paul to this issue.

What would not have been a disappointing response? I thought the official press release wasn't too bad.

He denies writing the quoted stuff. He denies editing the quoted stuff.

He denounces it.

He states (plausibly) his support for civil disobedience and admiration for black and brown practitioners of the art.

He states his belief in a colorblind values.

What's not adequate about that response? What did you want him to do? Burst into tears about the media conspiracy against him? For that, go to the Hillary campaign.

Steve | January 8, 2008, 4:17pm | #

The fact that this is coming out now only serves to prove that Paul's campaign is gaining traction. I'll have to claim ignorance as to the claims being debunked in the past, though I am sure it will be dealt with again.

To ask him to deal with this today, during NH's primary is perhaps expecting a bit much. I have to think his schedule must be grueling today.

JohnKing | January 8, 2008, 4:17pm | #

Edited to give clickable link.

Obamas racist "church" dogma:

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

thinkahead | January 8, 2008, 4:17pm | #

Fanning the flames of racial tension is one of the best ways to keep people divided.

Shiger | January 8, 2008, 4:17pm | #

I suggest that Ron Paul supporters take down the "Google Ron Paul" signs and put up "Take our word for it" signs.

Dr Alan Cheney | January 8, 2008, 4:17pm | #

A lot of the responses here confirm why I finally let my subscription to Reason lapse. Most writers and apparently many readers are not really libertarians, just as Cato isn't really libertarian. Dr Paul's campaign is not over, it has just begun regardless of this old hearsay and inuendo. If you don't get that, well, it's a libertarian thing.

joe | January 8, 2008, 4:18pm | #

OK, let's pretend that the Bill Clinton Report, the John Kerry Report, the John McCain Report and the George Bush Report were begun by each of those men, but they gradually became less involved in their operation.

Anybody believe that these newsletters would contain denunciations of black, gay, and Jewsish people? I agree that Ron Paul is almost certainly non racist in any sense beyond being a white man of a certain age with a traditionalist cultural background, but how did such people end up publishing his newsletter?

WM | January 8, 2008, 4:18pm | #

How pathetic - dragging out an old smear that has been debunked for years.

Even IF it were true, which it is NOT, it STILL wouldn't be as bad as Huckabee pardoning rapists to rape and kill again, Rudy supplying NYFD with faulty equipment that cost many lives, or McCain wanting to continue the military occupation of the Middle East for another 100 years.

Get some perspective people.

Hank Sideways | January 8, 2008, 4:18pm | #

Re: Gene Trosper's post (above) on | January 8, 2008, 3:52pm |
"What will kill the Paul campaign is the refusal to deal with this in a direct, no holds barred manner."

Are you serious??? "What will kill Paul's campaign?" HAHAHAHAHA. You actually believe he ever had a chance in teh first place? HAHAHAHAHAHA.

That is hilarious!

James Smith | January 8, 2008, 4:18pm | #

To those that are disappointed. Do you really believe what Mr K said?

Now if Mr K has his photocopies showing Ron Paul wrote those letters...that is different and yes, I would be disappointed. But don't you think, just for a moment, that people that previously ran against wouldn't have had this info?

I am tired of politics as usual and I am also tired of bad journalism (or whatever you call hanging by association.)

RMS | January 8, 2008, 4:18pm | #

This is far to long in coming if you ask me. To bad this wasn't made public as he was gaining a voice in the national stage.

NY for Freedom | January 8, 2008, 4:18pm | #

It's a hit piece... A desperate attack by the MSM. I was more shocked that they hadn't found anything worse!

Unfortunately when fighting out on the edges you associate with many loose cannons! In hindsight he should have been more careful. All I can say is I agree with 90% of what he is fighting for and could care less about this.

I refuse to get stuck with candidates I don't agree with at all! Grow a backbone people. The attacks will get worse!!

1440 minutes | January 8, 2008, 4:19pm | #

Thomas DiLorenzo has debunked Jamie Kirchick's secessionist conference smear.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/018418.html

It was a Mises Institute conference covering *northern* secessionist movements among abolitionists, Quebec secession movement, European secession movements, federalism in general, how the U.S. was created by a war of secession from the British empire, and even "How to Secede in Business" by substituting arbitration for litigation. Not exactly a hotbed of Confederate flag waivers.

How desperate can Jamie Kirchick be?

Eric | January 8, 2008, 4:19pm | #

I don't recall Paul as indulging in cocaine throughout a large part of the 70's and 80's as our current sitting President did to pass time. I guess the enemies of freedom and change need something to attack. The establishment must really be afraid of Paul for a hit piece to come out on him, and only him, the day of the NH primary.

We are at the point now where Paul is gaining percentage points as each day passes while the rest of the Republican candidates are losing percentage points. It is no surprise the sick hit pieces come out now. They will ironically have an effect opposite their intention, increasing awareness of his campaign.

Young | January 8, 2008, 4:19pm | #

Ok, so by this reasoning Obama is a Coke dealer, Hillary an arms and gun runner, McCain (prisoner of war) PTSD, ......... and on and on....

Wil | January 8, 2008, 4:19pm | #

I used to be a Ron Paul supporter, up until today. Im extremely saddend to know I supported someone with such insane views. Whether it be a smear job or not, it came from his mouth, unless he denies saying it. I'm glad I know now what a maniac he is before I voted.

TrickyVic | January 8, 2008, 4:19pm | #

Assuming the article is correct, is it worse than setting free a rapist to rape again? Was someone actually harmed by Paul's newsletters?

That what I find funny, you have people backing Huckabee but trashing Paul for the newsletters.

Addison | January 8, 2008, 4:19pm | #

Rest in peace, Ron Paul. Maybe the GOP can actually have a debate in peace now without this whack job spewing garbage. He needs to take Economics 101 too. What he says about economic issues makes about as much sense as the democrats. Oh well, he was always a good laugh... just like Alan Keyes.

Seriously | January 8, 2008, 4:19pm | #

Who thinks he has a shot at winning a primary? Because if the answer is no one, then just let the issue go.

Tom Camp | January 8, 2008, 4:20pm | #

What is racist about any of the comments made in the newsletters?

John | January 8, 2008, 4:20pm | #

I wish people would stop with the "this is old news" bullshit. Gee I guess if it came out that Paul was a guard at Auschwitz, we would just ignore it as "old news"? This is pretty nasty stuff and there is no statute of limitations on being a dirtbag.

That said, no one here knows who actually wrote those articles and how much Ron Paul had to do with them. Since I don't claim the ability to look into the man's heart, so I will take him at his word that he doesn't beleive all this stuff.

What does it say about Paul's character that he would associate with people who believe this crap and let them publish it under his name? How much courage does it take to say, "if you are going to use my name, you can't put that crap in there"? How much courage and judgement does it take to disassociate yourself from people who hold these views? Understand this is not a case where Paul was friends with people who hold horrible views. That I think is understandable. This is a professional an ideological association with these people to such an extent as publishing a newsletter. I don't condem Paul for being a racist. I condem Paul for not having the judgement or moral certainty to stop associating with racists.

Li | January 8, 2008, 4:20pm | #

No way I'm jumping on the "Ron Paul is a racist" bandwagon just because of this pieces, written by a very questionable person with questionable motives published by a web site I have trouble with.

I've seen about as many of Paul's speeches and writings as one can reasonably absorb over the past few months, and never have I seen any of the venom displayed in that article. I've already heard the allegations, and how they were handled during his Congressional race.

Based on his voting record, and his speeches, Paul doesn't support any kind of black agenda, or white agenda, or latino agenda, and as a minority (latino) I'm completely fine with that. We each need to be judged for our own merits, whether applying for a job, getting graded on collage papers, or whatever. Some of the things in that article were completely fine, some appear like there are plenty of reasonable contexts, and some clearly are horrible.

Paul already talked about the embarrassment of having staffer(s) who used his name to publish things he greatly disagrees with. Of course his political enemies were going to raise these issues again in a Presidential race, but it was done in a very questionable manner.

For now, Paul continues to have my complete support, based on the platform he is running on, his message, and his history. He has sufficiently responded to these allegations in the past, and based on all I know about him and heard from him, I completely believe him.

webguitartabs.com | January 8, 2008, 4:20pm | #

Ron Paul says he did not edit his newsletter and he's sorry.

Just one question, if you don't mind. Did you, RON PAUL, READ your newsletter? I don't care if you edited it. Did you read it? It had your name on it, so are you going to play us like a fool and tell us you were completely ignorant of the content? Come man... go stand in the corner with Bill Clinton "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".

Game over Ron Paul.. and all his moonbat supporters. Ciao!

getreal | January 8, 2008, 4:20pm | #

Just look at the editors of this trash, who owns it, their history of scandals, and the declining readership. You never know what the future will hold...Be careful about smearing Ron Paul.

joe | January 8, 2008, 4:20pm | #

colorful. politically incorrect.

Why are there people who actually defend the content of these columns here, and would some of the other libertarians please say they are wrong to do so?

BZ Smith | January 8, 2008, 4:20pm | #

I have never seen, or heard Ron Paul utter a racist, or bigoted comment... EVER. Dr. Paul still has my vote.

highnumber | January 8, 2008, 4:21pm | #

I smell Bagels on this smear job.

I smell the gas chamber on that comment.

TW | January 8, 2008, 4:21pm | #

Ron Paul has committed political suicide
- if he wrote the articles he is racist
- if he allowed such a number of strongly racist positions to be written in a newsletter carrying his name, then he is racist
- if he (as he says) wasn't paying attention to what was being written in a newsletter carrying his name then he is incompetent

We neither want a racist nor an incompetent president

Wiseguy | January 8, 2008, 4:21pm | #

Bingo | January 8, 2008, 4:10pm | #

Can everyone please flame each other without copying and pasting the same thing over and over again?

Sheesh.
***
No, apparently not.

FNTC | January 8, 2008, 4:21pm | #

OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE:

January 8, 2008 5:28 am EST

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul issued the following statement:

“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

Chris | January 8, 2008, 4:22pm | #

wow, they are desparate and afraid of a last minute NH comeback by ron paul. very obvios

Jeffrey Scott | January 8, 2008, 4:22pm | #

I know people who used to read his stuff back then and it was Mr. Paul who wrote that stuff. If he wants to come and say he was wrong I think most people would forgive him for that garbage but if he keeps saying he didn't write it then he is going to be in trouble politically.

R.J. | January 8, 2008, 4:22pm | #

At the moment it's bad publicity, but if it's proven to be a smear it's going to make him a front runner. This could be the backfire that blows both parties out of the running. I sure hope it does because the dems and repubs suck tihsgod.

Quincy | January 8, 2008, 4:22pm | #

i read through many of the transcripts and its not for the faint at heart. For the times...someone had to say it and put it in the arena. It wasn't that far off from what we talk about today, only in a more concentrated form that weak minds cannot handle and are pre-programmed to feel certain ways about certain words/subjects.
Peace,
Q.

sage | January 8, 2008, 4:22pm | #

I just ate two sandwiches and a bowl of soup.

I'm still on the fence as to whether I want a hard boiled egg.

anothername | January 8, 2008, 4:23pm | #

How many comments have I posted under differents names?

sage | January 8, 2008, 4:23pm | #

Screw it, I'm having the egg.

Paul R. Bear | January 8, 2008, 4:23pm | #

This is a media hit piece. I'm not shilling for Paul, but I know from my own reading long ago about this. Paul had a survivalist-slanted newsletter and a ghost writer who wrote much of it in his name. HE penned those lines in the newsletter and Paul disavowed it all a long time ago.
The press should knwo this if they're doin their homework. This is just cheap blow to try and push Paul out of the race. Next time, hopefully, he'll better vet his associates.
You can wiki it if you think I'm being partisan.

Jack Thomsen | January 8, 2008, 4:23pm | #

Dr. Paul must be gaining in the polls. Both sides are hysterical. I love the guy. AND I don't care what went out in a newsletter 16 years ago.

I want to see them sifting Obama's garbage in chicago... I can just imagine what he did or said to get into chicago politics.

None of this stuff matters to Paul supporters. He is a constitutionalist. that's all that matters to me.

Hillary, Obama, McManiac, Thompson... all craft images for consumption. Jackals - all of em.

James Smith | January 8, 2008, 4:23pm | #

Shiger...go do some digging and you'll find that, even though you are desperately trying to fan flames, it is an old issue. Plus it isn't an issue as portrayed by Mr K.

Captain Chaos | January 8, 2008, 4:24pm | #

Joe-They are wrong to defend the content of those columns.

ed | January 8, 2008, 4:24pm | #

This is all old news. I guess that none of you have been paying attention to any of this nonsense over the last few months. I suggest that you take a look at who you are voting for, look at their past voting record, then compare that to Ron Pauls'. He has not changed his position on any of the major issues we face for 30 years...are there any other candidates that even come close? This country is almost to the point of no return in becoming a fascist state. All of the "top tier" candidates of both parties in either of the parties are members of the CFR, an organization that is determined to abolish the sovereignty of our country. Research this !! Pay attention people this is important stuff. Ron Paul is America's only hope in maintaining our sovereignty and regaining our personal freedom.

Mookie | January 8, 2008, 4:24pm | #

What kind of sick person lets this go on repeatedly under his name... profits from these racists... and then refuses to talk about it when it gets exposed?!?!

Ron Paul is a sad excuse for a presidential candidate. At least Obama owns up to his mistakes and takes 100% of the responsibility.

joe blow | January 8, 2008, 4:25pm | #

bullshit hit piece, pure and simple.

fyodor | January 8, 2008, 4:25pm | #

We don't need stupid people voting for Ron Paul.

No? I thought we needed a majority!! :-)

Warren | January 8, 2008, 4:25pm | #

His exit poll numbers must be shockingly high or this would not have been re-released today. Anyone who has followed his career knows this is BS. He started out lending his name to a Libertarian newsletter for which he sometimes wrote articles. They later used his name as promotion for the newsletter. Later wackos started getting articles published in the newsletter. It's true he should have paid more attention to what was being written by others under his name, but these accusations are false, ancient history, and attempt to stifle a real voice of the people.

charlie | January 8, 2008, 4:25pm | #

In the age of youtube, don't you think if Ron Paul was actually some Big Bad Racist, that some video clip would have surfaced by now, ala George Allen's "macacca" moment? I mean, we have a man that's been in the public spotlight for the last 30 years, and there's not one clip of him saying something remotely racist?

Is he really that crafty, or is this TNR piece just more bullshit?

tc | January 8, 2008, 4:26pm | #

Please - everyone, spend ten seconds and google this author "James Kirchick" and all questions will be answered. Ron can't respond to this the NIGHT OF A PRIMARY you monkeys. The press is looking for a headline. This was perfectly played by Drudge to sink Paul support and flash some headlines right when NH is going to the polls. No conspicracy - this is politics. Paul is at 14% and he is taking real votes away from McCain.

Lisa Bonet Ate No Basil | January 8, 2008, 4:26pm | #

"Old news? Is there a statute of limitations on being a racist, old kook?"

As demonstrated by the career of Robert C. Byrd D-WV, apparently yes. Was Ron Paul ever a racist? No. Thanks for coming on the show.

4truth1 | January 8, 2008, 4:26pm | #

You are being lied and manipulated by the media. They want war. They are agents of death and are lying about Ron Paul, because he threatens them.

Do you want to die in war? Do you want you family to die in war? DO NOT BELIEVE THE LIES OF THE WARMONGERS.

RON PAUL'S OWN WORDS:

Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of H. Res. 58. I saw Muhammad Ali as a man of great courage, and I admired him for this, not because of the courage that it took to get in a ring and fight men bigger than he, but because of his stance in 1967.

In 1967, he was 25 years old. He was the heavyweight champion of the world, and for religious beliefs, he practiced what Martin Luther King made popular, civil disobedience, because he disagreed with the war. I thought his comments were rather astute at the time and were not complex, but he merely said, I have no quarrel with the Viet-Cong. He said the Viet-Cong never called him a name, and because of his religious convictions, he said he did not want to serve in the military. He stood firm, a man of principle, and I really admired this as a quality.

He is known, of course, for his athletic skills and his humanitarian concerns, and these are rightly mentioned in a resolution like this. But I do want to emphasize this because, to me, it was so important and had such impact, in reality, what Muhammad Ali did eventually led to getting rid of the draft, and yet we as a people and we as a Congress still do not have the conviction that Muhammad Ali had, because we still have the selective service; we say, let us not draft now, but when the conditions are right, we will bring back the draft and bring back those same problems that we had in the 1960s.

I see what Muhammad Ali did as being very great. He deserves this recognition, but we should also praise him for being a man of principle and willing to give up his title for 3 years at the age of 25 at the prime of his career. How many of us give up something to stand on principle? He was a man of principle. He believed it and he stood firm, so even those who may disagree with his position may say at least he stood up for what he believed in. He suffereconsequences and fortunately was eventually vindicated.

Its_pathetic | January 8, 2008, 4:26pm | #

Their are only a couple of people here that keep posting negative stuff under different names. Its part of an orchestrated smear job.

Cesar | January 8, 2008, 4:26pm | #

Ron Paul isn't very careful about who he associates himself with. End of story. Tell us something we don't know.

Bingo | January 8, 2008, 4:26pm | #

Okay so the plan tonight is go for a jog, have some beer. Definitely thinking of hitting on the chick that works at the falafel place, hot damn she's gorgeous! Oh yeah and eat some falafel. Then some more beer and falling asleep.

What are you guys up to?

Ayn_Randian | January 8, 2008, 4:27pm | #

joe - it's obvious the whole gang of folks is here to state over and over again what they believe to be true, and no amount of reason is going to change their minds.

Paul can't win to these clowns: either he's a "racist" or "too incompetent" to be President....*sigh*...big surprise that this comes out and a whole mess of people have set it up so the man can't just apologize like he has and we all move the fuck on.

Jake Finch | January 8, 2008, 4:27pm | #

Actually, I took time to read what the newsletters purported to say, I was undecided but now he gets my vote!

He also has a sense of humor!!!

Warty | January 8, 2008, 4:27pm | #

To me, the Paul campaign isn't so much about Ron Paul, as much as it's a big "fuck you" to D.C. It bothers me that he seems to be a crypto-racist, but until a better "fuck you" option comes along, I'll keep supporting him.

crimethink | January 8, 2008, 4:27pm | #

Obviously some hideous corner of the Net linked here...I've never seen so many anti-Paul spammers, as it were.

highnumber | January 8, 2008, 4:27pm | #

joe,
It is awful stuff. No, it's not just "colorful" or "politically incorrect." The racist bits are awful.

Tom Camp | January 8, 2008, 4:28pm | #

I was on the fence about voting for Paul, but now he has definitely won my vote.

Reinmoose | January 8, 2008, 4:28pm | #

It makes me sad that we have to go through this. If the country were really interested in libertarian-style ideas in the first place we would actually have a choice of candidates with libertarian-type positions. Instead we have to put a lot of stock in one person's campaign, which obviously, has its downsides.

PC | January 8, 2008, 4:28pm | #

Guess Fred is going to bow out after Paul takes South Carolina by a record margin due to this news.

sage | January 8, 2008, 4:28pm | #

While my egg is cooking, I'm going to clean up the kitchen.

Guy Montag | January 8, 2008, 4:28pm | #

Allen Lottinger, TNR is NOT owned by Murdoch, unless you know of some sort of secret-conspiracy-shell-game that is going on and have some proof of it.

That magazine is bizarre. They supported the GWOT for a while and many of their Leftie friends attacked them relentlessly, even though their position was that the wrong party was running the war.

Then they ran the "Baghdad Diarist" series, that they had nobody in-house with a military background to make a guess if they were true. As soon as those were proven false, they got a boost from the military-hating Lefties, but it is not clear