New at Reason
From our May issue, Jacob Sullum looks at the Canadian Human Rights Commission's disgraceful interrogation of journalist Ezra Levant on his decision to reprint the notorious Muhammad cartoons.
Comments to "New at Reason":
Michael Ejercito | April 11, 2008, 12:13pm | #
Did he think Canada has freedom of speech?Canada badly needs some pro-bono legal defense teams/funds to fight for the liberty of individuals. Does anyone know if they have something analogous to the Institute for Justice?
Remember, freedom of speech "is an American concept". That's all it takes for Canadians to reject it. Shit, if sex were somehow seen as "American" the Canucks would become celibate.
Bob and Doug Mackenzie | April 11, 2008, 12:27pm | #
Haven't Maple Leafs & Canadiens fans been offending each others' sense of dignity and self-worth since the early 20th century?Brewmeister Smith | April 11, 2008, 12:30pm | #
I could crush your head like a nut.Blue | April 11, 2008, 12:31pm | #
Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms [constitution]2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
Warren | April 11, 2008, 12:40pm | #
Remember, freedom of speech "is an American concept". That's all it takes for Canadians to reject it. Shit, if sex were somehow seen as "American" the Canucks would become celibate.No, I think that's all it takes for Canadians to complain about it, while trying hard as they can to duplicate it.
Paul | April 11, 2008, 12:43pm | #
It's also an entrapment scam for making money:"Not only is Canadian Senator Anne Cools a Negro, she is also an
immigrant! And she is also one helluva preachy c*nt. She does NOT belong in my
Canada. My Anglo-Germanic people were here before there was a Canada and her
kind have jumped in, polluted our race, and forced their bullsh*t down our
throats. Time to go back to when the women *** imports knew their place . And
that place was NOT in public!"
Horrible, shocking stuff. But even more shocking is the identity of the fellow
whose electronic fingerprints were all over the message: famed Canadian
human-rights lawyer Richard Warman.
Warman is a legend in anti-racism circles. A former member of the Canadian
Human Rights Commission, he's launched countless complaints against right-wing
extremists, and won almost all of them. But during proceedings surrounding one
of Warman's 2003-era complaints against freedomsite, the respondents turned
the tables. A computer expert named Bernard Klatt did some digging under
freedomsite's back office, and determined that the Cools posting had been made
from a computer bearing the IP address 66.185.84.204, the very same address
from which Warman had admitted to visiting freedomsite using a different
alias.
Warman is the plaintiff in over half of the CHRC section 13 cases and used his sockpuppet posting as the basis to file a suit against that blog.
Point taken, Warren. Though you'd think they would have eliminated The Beer Store's monopoly if that were the case.
MarkJ | April 11, 2008, 12:56pm | #
I think this is the CHRC's unofficial motto:"Everyone will be tolerant if we have to beat it into them and take their life savings."
L. Ron Mohammed | April 11, 2008, 12:59pm | #
Levant notes that even if a complaint is dismissed, responding to it requires “thousands of dollars in lawyer’s fees” and “an enormous amount of time,” which encourages journalists to steer clear of touchy subjectsSo Islam and Scientology now have the same ideas about defamation?
Ezra Levant is an asshole, and yet is absolutely in the right in this situation. I like Canada and (most) Canadians, but this is atrocious.
bour3 | April 11, 2008, 1:21pm | #
In 1982, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms was incorporated as part of the Constitution of Canada. It protects the right of free speech, expression, and assembly. It also guarantees the right to participate in democratic elections, acknowledges the rights of minorities and limits the power of the state. Now see how clever they distinguish themselves from the U.S.Encarta entry here.
pst314 | April 11, 2008, 1:25pm | #
"Alberta’s Human Rights, Citizenship, and Multiculturalism Act, for example, prohibits publishing anything that is likely to expose a person or class of persons to hatred or contempt."So does that mean they will take action against those Muslims whose words and deeds are the reason so many people have grown to see Islam as violently intolerant? :-)
Paul | April 11, 2008, 1:43pm | #
In January an officer of the Alberta Human Rights and Citizenship Commission interrogated the Canadian journalist Ezra Levant about his decision to reprint the notorious Muhammad cartoons that originally appeared in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.Does this sentence sound as scary to everyone else as it does to me?
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
Apparently not.
shminky | April 11, 2008, 1:43pm | #
Paul, do you have a link for that? It would be amusing if it wasn't so sad. To anyone familiar with the way real racists write on the net, the fakery is pretty obvious.shminky | April 11, 2008, 1:45pm | #
Of course I was referring to the comment about Warman's sock puppetry, not the last one.Paul | April 11, 2008, 1:55pm | #
Shminky,I do not have a link for it. I got the text from this post.
Sorry, shminky, I just realized you may be referring to the imposter 'Paul', not the Paul that all of you know [and love].
Archangel | April 11, 2008, 2:13pm | #
Great take on this from Iowahawk:http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2008/01/filed-in-tripli.html
Muhammad al-Hubbard | April 11, 2008, 2:17pm | #
So Islam and Scientology now have the same ideas about defamation?The crafty infidels and their lawyers have impressed us. We will steal their practices for our own.
Soon, Operation Seven Dwarves will have the gov't at our mercy.
Why is there a bomb on my head?
KD | April 11, 2008, 2:21pm | #
Bunch 'a stuff on this very issue here: the beloved/hated/controversial Mr. Steyn also in the "human rights" hit-lit.www.steynonline.com
Rex Rhino | April 11, 2008, 2:41pm | #
All the people talking about the "Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms" all forget to point out the fact that the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms explicitly states “reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society". Not to mention, “section 33 override clause,”, in which provinces are allowed to make laws that violate the Charter.Basically, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms allows the government to ignore the charter any time it wants.
KD | April 11, 2008, 2:51pm | #
Rex Rhino | April 11, 2008, 2:41pm | #Yup! Rex Rhino - right on eh!
...the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms explicitly states “reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society". Not to mention, “section 33 override clause,”, in which provinces are allowed to make laws that violate the Charter.
Basically, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms allows the government to ignore the charter any time it wants.
Paul | April 11, 2008, 3:06pm | #
Man, slow news day/week/month.You can say that again. I'm just glad no one is talking about elections. I'm so done with that whole thing.
And yet we have a veritable blackout here of the very newsworthy (and hilarious) Beijing Olympics Torch Fiasco. A target-rich environment if there ever was one. The future super-fascist state of China plans a party, sends out runners and they get shit on at every stop. Who's red-faced now?
You've got Mark Steyn and Maclean's in the same boat with Levant. I would find it hard to believe that there could be any headway in the system, and it's an awful thing that they would have to take it to the Canadian Supreme Court, but they WILL win there.
Dillard | April 11, 2008, 4:31pm | #
"Encarta entry here."Encarta? I thought they'd been bought out by Wikipedia.
Isaac Bartram | April 11, 2008, 5:13pm | #
ed, funny that only one commentator (Frank Deford at NPR) has seen fit to point out that the torch bearing relay is a relic of the 1936 Olympics (something they didn't bother to tell us fourth graders in Australia as they propagandized us for about the whole six months leading up to the '56 Games). Actually, Deford seems to be pretty much alone in question the whole concept of the Olympic "movement"Actually, it strikes me that the whole mystic bullshit about this flame being so special (it was lit on Mt Olympus and brought down from there, don't you know?) is a pretty good metaphor for what a whole bunch of bullshit the whole Olympic "movement" is.
Exham | April 11, 2008, 6:02pm | #
Supposing he were convicted, what is the worst they could do to him?Exham | April 11, 2008, 6:08pm | #
This is extremely worrisome for Americans as well, Universities often enact speech codes, and there are many on the left who would like to codify them nationwide. The left in America is also known to take cues from Canada (see healthcare)ed | April 11, 2008, 8:17pm | #
what a whole bunch of bullshit the whole Olympic "movement" isIndeed, Isaac. The wider and more pertinent question is whether nations still should be involved in these shenanigans. Our continued Official Participation in the sham only serves to condone and legitimize criminal states who wish to become respectable. I say remove the nationalistic imprimatur of The Games and make them wholly private. I do expect some resistance.
Isaac Bartram | April 11, 2008, 11:00pm | #
edFunny thing is, a huge part of the propaganda we got back in '56 was all about how the Olympic athletes were competing as individuals and not as members of a National Team. And the Games were not awarded to a country but to a city.
Little kids swallow that shit whole.
Most adults know better.
Brad | April 12, 2008, 12:34am | #
I don't see any reason why Canada should be trying to appease religious extremists like those morons that threw a temper tantrum over the Muhammad cartoons. Unfortunately, this type of nonsense does happen here in the United States whenever anybody refers to inconvenient parts of the history of a religion (most commonly with the Inquisition and the Dark Ages, denial of both of which is on the rise because they are embarrassing moments for America's largest Church).I can understand the reasons why the left would want to implement speech codes and human rights commissions (religious crazies who go around harrassing gay people, the KKK etc.), but this is not a good idea because it will get used against people who speak the truth about religion when that truth is embarrassing to religious leaders. I hope that the left will realize that we must tolerate hate groups because anti-hate speech laws will eventually be used to harass people who oppose dangerous groups (could you imagine what Scientology would do if they had one of these laws to shut up their critics?).
How many posts did reason write to defend Irving freedom of speech rights?
Clayton | April 12, 2008, 3:35pm | #
This whole issue makes me a bit sick. The people who stealing our freedom of speach seem to believe that they are on a "holy crusade". Just like environtologists. It used to be that I could just look at such fools and feel sorry for them, hoping that they would realise their folly sooner rather than later. I never dreamt that they could get so much power and so many supporters in what I thought was a nation of sensible, intelligent, reasonable people.They first came for the freedoms of racists, and many people thought, "Good. We don't want to hear that racist crap." Then, they came for Christians, "We don't want you homophobia here, prudes." Look who they're after now. Who's next? That's why I believe that racists should have the freedom to express their views, regardless of how stupid they are.
CodeMonkeySteve | April 12, 2008, 5:57pm | #
'Alberta’s Human Rights, Citizenship, and Multiculturalism Act, for example, prohibits publishing anything that “is likely to expose a person or class of persons to hatred or contempt.”'Hasn't publishing the law itself exposed its authors to "hatred [and] contempt"? Wouldn't that mean that this law violates itself?
Problem solved!
Dr. Mabuse | April 12, 2008, 6:48pm | #
Paul is referring to the infamous Ann Cools message. It was first exposed on the conservative boardFree Dominion back in January. It's now the subject of a lawsuit by Warman against FD as well as the most prominent conservative bloggers in Canada.Rhonda Fleming | April 13, 2008, 4:59pm | #
LIESTOPPERS?!If Liestoppers is such a wonderful truth seeking site, then why have they closed the message board on the blog page? Must you be a part of their clique? So much for censorship, and their ironic claims to seek truth and justice, despicable!
Rhonda Fleming
Sister Of Durham Citizen, STILL Unsolved, Neglected, And Refusing To Give Up Until There Is Indeed Justice For Allen Croft!
justice4all2005@yahoo.com
Wicks Cherrycoke | April 14, 2008, 6:56pm | #
So if any Canadian journalist attacks, let's say, American foreign policy, I can complaint that because I am American, his comments may subject me to ridicule?And if I criticize the law, can the laws supporters complain that I am subjecting them to ridicule?
Henry Bowman | April 17, 2008, 3:16pm | #
The anti-capitalist Lenin once described the achilles heel of capitalism as the eagerness a capitalist would have to sell the hangman the rope that would be used to hang him. This incident, the "Praying Imams" incident, and others now prove to us that intolerant Muslims have learned how to use the West's own tolerance and political correctness as a weapon of war.