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Over at Bloggingheads, join reason Senior Editor Kerry Howley and The American Scene's Reihan Salam for wide-ranging conversation about Hillary Clinton and feminism, the politics of fertility, the brain-draining effects of liberal immigration policies, and much more.

To watch the video, click on the image below.

Comments

Danny | February 18, 2008, 4:38pm | #

A 55 minute video on Hillary Clinton? Even though it has my beloved Kerry, I will have to pass... sorry.

SugarFree | February 18, 2008, 4:38pm | #

That is not a flattering screen-cap of either of them. It's looks like a headset death-match between MSN tech support and Ukrainian discount phone sex.

Chris Potter | February 18, 2008, 4:43pm | #

Take that back! Kerry does not look like someone who works for Microsoft!

javier | February 18, 2008, 4:44pm | #

valentines day is the best day to go the bar and pick up single girls. Best holiday ever.

SxCx | February 18, 2008, 4:45pm | #

Will humanity ever overcome the headset?

javier | February 18, 2008, 4:45pm | #

you are going to have to watch to get my previous comment.

SugarFree | February 18, 2008, 4:51pm | #

Potter, you are going to the wrong Ukrainian discount phone sex lines.

Episiarch | February 18, 2008, 4:53pm | #

Remind me never to be filmed by a webcam. I don't think anyone, even me, can look good on one.

SugarFree | February 18, 2008, 4:55pm | #

Kerry does not look like someone who works for Microsoft!

Of course not. All the hot chicks work for google. (SFW)

GILMORE | February 18, 2008, 4:57pm | #

Episiarch | February 18, 2008, 4:53pm | #
Remind me never to be filmed by a webcam. I don't think anyone, even me, can look good on one.

Uh. you didnt watch this video did you.

I mean... i think might potentially be evidence to the contrary apparent in this particular clip.

(psst! pay attention to the RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN)

tepid | February 18, 2008, 4:58pm | #

The screen pic looks decent. Makes Kerry appear homely and approachable.

SugarFree | February 18, 2008, 5:01pm | #

GILMORE,

My right or your right?

Warty | February 18, 2008, 5:01pm | #

Kerry had better ritually scarify herself or something, if she ever wants to be taken seriously by the sex-deprived mass of idiots known as libertarians. Mmmmm...boobs.

Episiarch | February 18, 2008, 5:02pm | #

Don't make me point out the obvious, GILMORE.

thoreau | February 18, 2008, 5:06pm | #

Kerry-

I get your point about how most of the women who paved the way in politics were from political families. The dynastic thing probably wouldn't bother me as much if (1) she wasn't seeking to succeed another dynasty and (2) she was related to/married to somebody other than a recent President.

Having the White House go back and forth between 2 families for 20+ years seems dangerous. As your friend pointed out in the discussion, Bangladesh is experiencing something similar. If Mary Bono sought the Presidency, or a Kennedy niece, or somebody like that, and if we had at least 4 years of separation from the Bush dynasty, my view would be different.

Marcvs | February 18, 2008, 5:10pm | #

Dynasty fucking sucked.

Oh, you're talking about politics?

Nevermind.

Buffy | February 18, 2008, 5:27pm | #

Is Kerry gaining weight?

thoreau | February 18, 2008, 5:29pm | #

Kerry, I tried to make this serious. I tried.

Warty | February 18, 2008, 5:34pm | #

That's cold, Buffy. I'd challenge you to a duel if I had any honor.

Lamar | February 18, 2008, 5:36pm | #

Will 20 years of two family rule is something to be skeptical of, the ultimate decision to pull the lever for somebody should be made based on who the best person for the job is.

Bush II was the wrong guy for the job even though he had his poppy's experienced team. People were willing to give Bush II extra credit for having his father's people around. Clinton seems to get penalized for the same thing. Is it because it worked out so horribly for Bush II? Is this a valid argument against dynasties in politics? Or is George II just flat out incompetent?

GILMORE | February 18, 2008, 5:40pm | #

thoreau | February 18, 2008, 5:29pm | #
Kerry, I tried to make this serious. I tried.

Oh, thats weak. Thats the junior-high play, where one guy lets all the dudes say chauvanistic things about hot chicks, then sneaks over to them and goes, "those guys are so MEAN! I'm nice! I really try to be sensitive and stuff. lets gossip!"

the jocks always end up getting the chicks anyway man. Its a bad strategy overall.

i really think there's nothing wrong with going "bow-chicka-Wow, wawwww!" every time Kerry appears. Why not? She's one of the few admitted libertarians I'm not horribly embarrassed by when they talk long enough. Nick also wins superbad points of course, and radley is like...i dont know. Thor? The Thing? Captain America? I vote him our new overlord, personally.

anyhoos.

Oh yeah, MY right. THIS way (points)! The whiteish looking one!

GILMORE | February 18, 2008, 5:47pm | #

SugarFree | February 18, 2008, 4:38pm | #
It's looks like a headset death-match between MSN tech support and Ukrainian discount phone sex.

I get the first one, but the second would look more like a 65yr old bag lady, chainsmoking, overly made up, with a babushka and shit.

i'd buy, "open casting call to replace jack bauer's computer-geek chick information-specialist who spends every scene in the operations center looking concerned while fiddling with various gadgets"

thoreau | February 18, 2008, 5:49pm | #

She's one of the few admitted libertarians I'm not horribly embarrassed by when they talk long enough.

Exactly. I actually wanted to talk about something that she said, not just the fact that she has an attractive appearance.

Her picture is on her Reason profile for you to gawk at any time you like. But her blog posts, unlike her picture, have new material to discuss.

J sub D | February 18, 2008, 5:54pm | #

Is this a valid argument against dynasties in politics? Or is George II just flat out incompetent?

It's both.

stephen the goldberger | February 18, 2008, 5:58pm | #

These arguments that Hillary will allow women to burst through some "glass ceiling" to me seem silly. It's not like Margaret Thatcher in England (our closest cultural neighbor) all of sudden made women all over England have to be taken seriously and allowed feminism to enter some utopian golden age.

GILMORE | February 18, 2008, 6:00pm | #

Ok T dog. *soor-rrrreryyyy*

Their whole semi-debate early on about Natalism sorta distracted me for a bit. It was like, public policy about babies and shit. They both seemed excited about Sweden. I got bored. Then they talked about paths to power for female politicians and dynasticism and stuff. that was a new learning experience for me. Reihan is anti valentines day. Seemed to me like there are worse things to decry. There's a reason a lot of babies are born in winter. I mean, he wants babies, but dont like commercial artificial cues for 'forced' romance. Then i began to suspect that he was gay. Then i was worried that i might be gay for thinking that. Then i started paying attention to the right side of the screen and soon realized i am not gay. The main thing i enjoyed was the immigration bit. But I think they were mostly in agreement about the whole thing with took some of the teeth out of the debate. There needed to be someone there who was crazy nationalist and xenophobic to make it more fun.

Lost_In_Translation | February 18, 2008, 6:07pm | #

Was anyone else distracted by Kerry's "mmhmm"'s when Reihan was talking.

GILMORE | February 18, 2008, 6:09pm | #

stephen the goldberger | February 18, 2008, 5:58pm | #
These arguments that Hillary will allow women to burst through some "glass ceiling" to me seem silly.

I agree. Hilaryism isnt exactly a forward step for feminism really. it's a cheap convenient substitute. as a cultural move, i think it doesnt have any real broad (pun?) ramifications compared to say, the 'bama thing.

GILMORE | February 18, 2008, 6:11pm | #

I was distracted by Reihans 'svengali' head motions throughout. hypnotizing.

KH Fan Club Member #1 | February 18, 2008, 6:41pm | #

But her blog posts, unlike her picture, have new material to discuss.

Excellent point thoreau. I second your call for Kerry to post some new pictures.

J sub D | February 18, 2008, 6:43pm | #

Kinda, sorta, maybe off topic. OK, really off topic.

When was the last Monday without a Radley Balko post that ruined everybody's day? I just noticed that.

John C. Randolph | February 18, 2008, 7:34pm | #

Hilaryism isnt exactly a forward step for feminism really.

The feminists have a lot to lose if Hillary gets the nomination. She's the only candidate who could lose to McCain.

Even worse, if she became the first female president, there wouldn't be another one for a very long time.

-jcr

Click 'n' Learn | February 18, 2008, 7:42pm | #

I left the following comment at bloggingheads:

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See my comments here:

reason.com/blog/show/124589.html ("Click 'n' Learn")
reason.com/blog/show/124909.html ("Click 'n' Learn")
reason.com/blog/show/124105.html ("TLB")

Summary: she continually promotes open borders, using only smears and a first-level financial argument, without even acknowledging the massive non-financial impacts of what she promotes.

The only good thing about her is that she's helping drag Reason even further down.

thoreau | February 18, 2008, 7:46pm | #

The only good thing about her is that she's helping drag Reason even further down.

Drink!

(But since it's LoneWacko, drink tequila. That'll show him!)

Warty | February 18, 2008, 8:28pm | #

Sometimes I reflect on what a shitty poster I am, and it makes me feel bad. Then LoneWacko or Dondero will post something and make me feel all better. I'm smrt!

Rangerfan1940 | February 18, 2008, 8:47pm | #

For every "stereotype" that seemingly goes against women unfairly, there is a converse one that goes against men.

"Strong women aren't likeable".......but...
"nice guys finish last"

Sam Grove | February 18, 2008, 8:57pm | #

It's not the camera so much as the lighting.

GILMORE | February 18, 2008, 9:27pm | #

Quoting MYSELF (which i assume has seriously bad karmic repercussions)

GILMORE | February 18, 2008, 6:00pm | #
There needed to be someone there who was crazy nationalist and xenophobic to make it more fun.

...i just realized... wouldnt that be cool? the LoneWacko vs. Anyone head to head dialogue?

I mean,

LoneWacko vs. a partly functioning Speak&Spell
or
LoneWacko vs. My Weed Dealer
or
LoneWacko vs. a Lubavitcher Rebbe
or
LoneWacko vs. Morton Downey's Ghost, Leonard Jeffries (alive?), a few Black Israelites and some Raelians thrown in for fun

... the possibilities are endless.

reasonabledowt | February 18, 2008, 9:32pm | #

One thing interesting: Reihan like the idea of arming women, idea being that fewer "non-women" would attack them. Kerry is surprised and expresses a fear of girl gangs mis-using guns...

hmmmmm...

Metal Messiah | February 18, 2008, 9:50pm | #

Keep in mind that libertarians are, for the most part, geeky, socially retarded, maladjusted men.

Kerry showing her face around here is like a hot chick walking into the Android's Dungeon.

GILMORE | February 18, 2008, 10:04pm | #

Metal Messiah | February 18, 2008, 9:50pm | #
Keep in mind that libertarians are, for the most part, geeky, socially retarded, maladjusted men.

I know. I feel so odd around them. I tend to avoid them, or avoid mentioning that i have any particular leanings if i suspect one is in the room. I'm afraid that they'll latch onto me and start into some rothbard rant while swilling 151 and eventually demanding someone play some experimental rock album or something. Dont EVER mention william S burroughs or philip k dick or the gold standard. Then they'll never shut the fuck up.

:Leif | February 18, 2008, 11:23pm | #

Whats the point of doing a video if this is just two people having a conversation

GILMORE | February 18, 2008, 11:33pm | #

:Leif | February 18, 2008, 11:23pm | #

you do have a point.

You should talk to the seinfeld producers and figure that one out as well

my (NOW REGARDED AS SEXIST TRIPE) pat answer would be, 'the right side of the frame', in this case

the innominate one | February 18, 2008, 11:36pm | #

GILMORE:

try having a nice dialogue about Ayn Rand. that always works.

Anonymous | February 19, 2008, 12:50am | #

Exactly. I actually wanted to talk about something that she said, not just the fact that she has an attractive appearance.

Internet White Knight!

The Wine Commonsewer | February 19, 2008, 1:13am | #

Kerry Howley is far better looking than Reihan Salam. Hands down.

Bingo | February 19, 2008, 2:07am | #

Fyi if you guys have a bluetooth enabled computer you can use one of those bluetooth cellphone earpieces and ditch the xbox live headsets.

Also the IMVU girls suck, bring back my snorg tees princess!

LarryA | February 19, 2008, 10:03am | #

Even worse, if she became the first female president, there wouldn't be another one for a very long time.

Yeah. From then on women would have to face the “Good grief, we don’t want another Hillary” argument.

Fyi if you guys have a bluetooth enabled computer you can use one of those bluetooth cellphone earpieces and ditch the xbox live headsets.

Not so much. In a studio the earphones aren’t so you can hear, they’re to keep distracting noises out.

Sean | February 19, 2008, 10:43am | #

I tried to come up with something witty and relevant.

I failed miserably...
HUBBA HUBBA!!!

R C Dean | February 19, 2008, 11:13am | #

if she became the first female president, there wouldn't be another one for a very long time.

Hmm. Bug, or feature?

I keed, I keed!

joshua corning | February 19, 2008, 3:08pm | #

A black man and a woman video conferencing over a global communications network?!?!?

If not for the giant head sets I would believe we are living in the future.

R C Dean | February 19, 2008, 4:02pm | #

Also the IMVU girls suck

Really? That would be NSFW. The only ad I've seen just has them standing there.