Tonight on The Independents: Obamacare, the NSA, Death by Drones, the GOP and Immigration, and More!

Greetings humans!

The Independents is playing in and on your TV box at 9 pm ET, 6 pm PT on Fox Business Network, and that means you should watch it, or time-shift it, or tape it, then watch the repeats tonight at midnight and later over the weekend. 

Tonight, we’ll be talking about Obamacare, the surveillance state, death by drones, and taking selfies with homeless people, among other topics. 

We’ll talk health care and employment, Rand Paul and the Clintons, and drone killing counundrums with Campus Reform reporter Katherine Timpf. We’ll discuss immigration and multi-culti soda-pop commercials with Allen West.

Rep. Ted Poe (R-Texas) will be on for a conversation about the surveillance state. Pro-football veteran Chris Carr will be on to talk about the possibility that an openly gay man might be drafted into the National Football League. And Kmele Foster and I will mix it up over the varying merits of the print and broadcast versions of The Walking Dead

I’ll be sitting in as a guest co-host, filling the chair usually occupied by Matt Welch, who is currently on a boat. Tune in, and tell us what you think on Twitter: @IndependentsFBN

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Why the hell is Suderman posting this?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Oh, I see, the cruise. If I've said it once, I've said it a million times: Sea travel ruins everything.

  • db||

    How many of us H-n-Rers have attended the cruise?

  • playa manhattan||

    Steve Smith. Seriously.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    That would make a good movie.

  • SweatingGin||

    It's the implication

  • SweatingGin||

    They don't let jerks like us on it.

    Last step in booking a ticket:

    "Enter your H&R handle: "

    Sorry, we're unable to complete the reservation at this time. Please call 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF for more information.

  • Agammamon||

    Eh, I spent 12 out of 21 years in the Navy on a ship or running a barge - I ain't in a hurry to go back on the water.

  • ||

    I had to put a patch behind my ear the last time I was on a cruise.

    Suffice to say I ain't 'Deadliest Catch' material.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Mr. Megan McArdle fills in while Welch is busy "cruising" the Caribbean. Does TV get any better than this?

    Also Peter, we like you, but there's this hate contest Welch started, so be ready for that.

  • ||

    When first elected, this administration banned FOX news from White House briefings and attempted to define who was and was not a legitimate news agency.

    Recently, while being interviewed by Bill O'Reilly, Obama accused FOX news of inventing and pushing fake scandals involving his administration, laying the blame for those scandals solely on that news agency.

    Now this; Carney implies that false reports about the Iranian navy are inventions of FOX news.

    "When pressed again on whether he was disputing the warships report, Carney quipped, “Is Fox reporting that they’re moving warships closer to the U.S.?”

    He was reminded that Iran made the claim, and it was reported by several wire services."

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014.....fox-thing/

    Is this really just partisan hackery, or is team Obama really that out of touch with reality?

  • seguin||

    Can't it be both?

  • ||

    TEAM BLUE is dumb enough to be bought off of stories by calls of "look over there! FAUX NEWS!". Why wouldn't Obama and crew use their own TEAM's stupidity to deflect criticism? They've shown over and over what they think of their supporters, and frankly, it's about on par what we think of them.

    It's part and parcel of TEAM BLUE leaders to use the stupidity of their supporters to their own advantage. Hell, that's the partial game plan of every politician, regardless of TEAM.

  • ~Knarf Yenrab~||

    Sold American!

  • playa manhattan||

    RETARD ALERT

  • ||

    Genius, Amerikenn! You take a perfectly good example of mendacious hypocrisy and projection from team blue and completely discredit your post with racist idiocy.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    WAR ON WOMYNS

    NASCAR Hall of Fame driver Richard Petty says Danica Patrick can only win a Sprint Cup Series race "if everybody else stayed home."

    The seven-time champion made the comment during a Sunday appearance at the Canadian Motorsports Expo in Toronto, according to the website wheels.ca.

    Petty also said Patrick only gets attention because she's a woman, but added that publicity is good for NASCAR.

    "If she'd have been a male, nobody would ever know if she'd showed up at a racetrack," Petty said,

    Gentlemen, start your butthurt.

  • ~Knarf Yenrab~||

    Michael Jordan sucked as a AA outfielder, but he put butts in the seats. Though the exotic appeal of a female nascar driver is somewhat lost on me.

  • JeremyR||

    It's an attempt to get social justice types to watch NASCAR.

    Which is a pretty vain hope, but still, their audience is stagnant.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    If you mean "hubba hubba, show us some social justice," then probably yes.

  • JeremyR||

    He's not wrong. She's a terrible driver.

  • seguin||

    You're exaggerating. She's not terrible, she's just not good enough to justify the attention she's gotten by the dint of her efforts alone. If it weren't for the novelty factor, she'd be an also-ran - which is still a good race car driver.

  • Virginian||

    She's terrible for the circuit she's in. When someone says a professional athlete is terrible, they mean terrible for their current league or circuit or whatever.

    Blaine Gabbert is a terrible NFL quarterback. That just means he's not one of the 30 best in the world at what he does. Doesn't mean he's a bad quarterback. He might thrive in the CFL or in arena football. But he's not NFL level talent.

  • playa manhattan||

    I’ll be sitting in as a guest co-host, filling the chair usually occupied by Matt Welch, who is currently on a boat.

    This is the correct link for any references to boats.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

  • playa manhattan||

    Also acceptable.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Evening Reasonoids.

    My contribution to the Reason Cruise Music theme.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Descendents: Catalina

    Ah yes, here I am, far away from everyone
    The only fish I smell
    Is on the deck of my boat
    Yeah, I want to go, I really want to go
    but my motor's broken
    There's no scotch tape, I'm out of gas,
    Looks like I'm stuck here
    Shit, it looks like I'm stuck here

    I'll steal some gas, fix my motor
    Turn on my Doors tape
    And get you out of my head
    Get you out of my head

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Pro-football veteran Chris Carr will be on to talk about the possibility that an openly gay man might be drafted into the National Football League.

    I'm more interested in how a team would go about the long-standing tradition of hazing the camp rookies.

    Like would it draw criticism if they made Sam dress up in a feminine costume despite it being something they do to all players?

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Like would it draw criticism if they made Sam dress up in a feminine costume despite it being something they do to all players?

    Yeah, I think that would draw severe criticism. Whichever team drafts Sam will have to have a plan in place on how to handle rookie camp, OTA's and pre-season. The owner, general manager, head coach, defensive coordinator, position coach, and team captains will have to get together and map this out. Of course hazing, an NFL tradition, and a team building experience will be fine. But it will have to be neutral in regards to Sam's sexuality. So I would say, feminine costume: bad idea. Carry veterans pads/click-clacks/helmet: fine.

    It will be interesting.

  • playa manhattan||

    What about paying for senior players to go to strip clubs in vegas?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Hazing at the professional level is ludicrous.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I thought ALL NFL players were gay?

    If not, what's all that touching each other's asses about?

  • ||

    There's a lot of high-fiving, it cancels out the ass touching.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    That's right, I forgot about the high five no-gay.

  • ||

    I'm immortalizing that relationship by making this as widely known a thing as possible. Also I'm perfectly ok with giving someone a high-five after an activity if it makes someone more comfortable.

  • Virginian||

    What's gonna be funny is when he goes in the middle rounds, and people who don't know shit about football will say it's because he's gay. I've not seen any analysts putting him as a round one pick. I think ol Mel has him in the third or fourth.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I'm not football expert, but he seems like the kind of player that would find it difficult to make a team out of training camp.

    I hope he's okay with completely negating any chance he'll ever have of being judged solely by his abilities and not what he symbolizes.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    Yeah, but it's a difficult choice about when to come out.

    If he comes out after being drafted then he might face a backlash from the team/management because they're now involved in a situation they hadn't anticipated.

    If he does it before (as he did) he's hoping a team will draft him despite the added media.

    The third choice is to stay in the closet - not really an option if you ask me.

    I feel for him, regardless.

  • Virginian||

    he seems like the kind of player that would find it difficult to make a team out of training camp.

    In NFL draft terms, he's what we call a tweener. He's undersized for an NFL line at 6'2/255lbs. Even in a 4-3, they like their DEs to be bigger (Like, 275 or so). So he'll probably have to transition to being a pass rushing linebacker working in a 3-4. Except he doesn't have the coverage skills right now, so he'd have to learn those. Which means he will not, and never would have gone early in the draft, because he's got talent, but he needs coaching. This is not a guy who is going to come in and have an immediate impact.

  • ||

    The vile, horrible Steelers have historically done very well with these tweeners. Someone will draft him for his pass rushing skills and see what he does.

    I'm also not comfortable that someone who is the exact same size as me can be characterized as "small". I need to get huger.

  • montana mike||

    Not really, he has pass rushing skills and the consensus is his value lies in a 3-4 defense. To this point not very strong vs the run. Of course that was the take on Robert Mathis and he worked out pretty well. So in the right scheme he'd be a good shot to make a roster. Also could contribute on special teams.

  • kibby||

    Too bad they weren't reading the comments from the last thread, or we could have had hot redhead Australian chick in Matt's chair tonight.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Mr. Suderman: Kennedy is going to eat you alive. Do not fight it, that is the correct way to fulfill Matt's role.

  • RishJoMo||

    That dude jsut looks corrupt as the day is long!

    www.GoAnon.tk

  • playa manhattan||

    There's a plus size model on Cavuto right now. She's hot.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    There's a plus size model on Cavuto right now.

    Kate Upton?

  • playa manhattan||

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

  • ||

    You're always...premature with this. Is there a personal problem you want to discuss with us? You've got 10 minutes.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    From my perspective, there's no such thing as premature.

  • kibby||

    That's because you're a man.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    It's all about me.

  • kibby||

    Yeah, we've noticed.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    I got no cable/Dish/Direct, etc. Is there a good place to find it streaming?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Independents? No can do.

    Ferrari Challenge (from Daytona, presumably) coming up on FOX Sports 2.

  • Killaz||

    Hey Suderman, are you going to be on for the week? Which would be cool. Can't tape it tonight, its going up against Ancient Aliens, and I am all about that shit. But tomorrow evening the television shall be mine.

  • BigT||

    Anyone else having issues with the streaming of Fox Business? It won't get past the sign-on.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Thanks!

  • BigT||

    Thanks. That works. Fox Business didn't

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Meanwhile....in 18th century Versailles...

    Feel the scourge of income inequality!

  • playa manhattan||

    She's fucking oblivious.

  • Bobarian||

    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE

  • ||

    Celtic glyph earrings. Meh, I prefer dreamcatchers.

  • Bobarian||

    Those are green doilies!

  • ||

    I'm color blind! Fuck you!

  • playa manhattan||

    It's in your favor in this case.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Half the Eye-talians I know are color blind. What's up with that?

  • SweatingGin||

    Defectives. They're hardly even europeans.

  • Killaz||

    There is a speech in True Romance that explains this.

    Tarantino was channeling Elmore Leonard hard in that script.

  • ||

    Hey, I'm not Sicilian!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I don't think Rand is watching.

  • BigT||

    Green earrings? Ecologically correct? Bio-degradable?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Suderman looks like a poindexter.

  • SweatingGin||

    Suderman looks different every time I see him on TV/pictures of him.

  • ||

    Suder Man looks stiffer than Jack Webb. We're off to a good start!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Oh, Keith, you shameless whore.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Suderman is WAY too clean cut for this show.

  • sarcasmic||

    Until I see

    Tonight on The Independents: Kennedy does the whole show topless

    I'll pass.

    And even then, unless that's the one they repeat on Sunday night (which is the only one I watch a little of) I'll pass.

    I won't even puff puff first.

    Just pass.

  • SweatingGin||

    THIS IS WHY THERE ARE NO FEMALE LIBERTARIANS.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    She does a topless segment on every episode. Except full-nude Fridays.

  • Bobarian||

    Kennedy does the second half of all shows topless.

    (Just trying to get the ratings up)

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    What? She's not topless on your network?

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Suderman has already talked more than Matt on an average episode.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    SUDERMAN YOU'RE MONOPOLIZING THE CONVO.

  • ||

    Suder-Man is like the Larry to Matt's Moe, Kmele's Curly, and Kennedy's Shemp.

  • SweatingGin||

    Going for the two-minute hate again, already?

  • ||

    Kmele is the looks, Suderman is the brains, Kennedy is the wildcard?

  • ||

    I thought Kennedy was automatically the useless chick. Or is that Suder-Man?

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    KENNEDY IS NOT SHEMP.

  • ||

    Take a gander at her when she needs cheese and tell me that again.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Who's Joe Besser?

  • Derpetologist||

    +1 woo-woo-woo-woo-whoop-whoop-whoop!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Katherine's hipster glasses are bigger then yours, Kennedy. She's challenging you in your nest!

  • Killaz||

    Squawk Off!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Professor Sweater is going to explain to us why Democrats are, um, right on this.

  • BigT||

    Don't worry, these numbers are uncertain!

  • ||

    Why is it every time they have on comedians, they never crack any jokes? At least she's quite cute.

  • Slammer||

    I hope those earrings are rare, endangered baby tortoise shells.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Shucked by orphans.

  • sarcasmic||

    You guys are actually watching it and doing a play by play?

    Fuck that.

    I'm filling a pitcher with homebrew and going next door to play cards.

  • SweatingGin||

    Screw you guys! I'll start my own libertarian show! With hookers! And Blackjack!

  • ||

    Go on...

  • Bobarian||

    The blonde is staring down the sweater guy!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Rand isn't afraid of Team Clinton. That alone is a huge positive.

  • BigT||

    Rand is trying to neuter the war on wymens

  • Derpetologist||

    Derp prices sink on news of fresh reserves from Aaron Sorkin's The Newsroom. Here we learn that debating about raising the debt ceiling will destroy the economy.

    AAAAUUUUGGGGH! RUN IN CIRCLES! FLAIL YOUR ARMS!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWMrfjAsghY

  • James Hatt||

    jesus I've never thought fuck this show is stupid so fast. It's an amazing mixture of sanctimony and smugness. And people reccomend this show. Is it seriously just a drama about liberals whining about their talking points not sweeping through the country and enciting a revolution every week?

  • ||

    Kmele putting the hurt down on Rand.

  • BigT||

    Stick to your knitting, Rand.

  • ~Knarf Yenrab~||

    Dear The Independents: your guests are idiots when it comes to Rand Paul. Thank you.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Rand Paul is trying to push back against the War on Women meme. It's never going to work BUT I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Keep it clean, you asshats.

  • ||

    Fuck you, asshole. Go cram it wherever your species traditionally crams things.

  • kibby||

    You're not my supervisor!

  • Bobarian||

    Clinton's economy wasn't even Clinton's.

    The only good thing Newt Gingrich ever did.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Losing the last primary was pretty good.

  • Bobarian||

    I'll give you that one.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Surprised at the negative reaction to Rand tweaking the Lewinsky thing. I think it really does expose liberal and feminist hypocrisy given how sociopathic the entire set of facts make Clinton look.

  • Bobarian||

    Hillary's reactions in the professors notes don't make her look presidential.

  • Derpetologist||

    You don't know the half of it:

    Oooh, imagine swallowing the presidential cum.

    - Erica Jong, feminist

  • playa manhattan||

    The turd of a story about Hillary's notes this week is but a mere turtle head poking out of the bowels of the mainstream media, and Rand Paul is just trying to coax it all the way out. I have no problem with that.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Huh, step 3 really is profit in that GOP immigration commercial.

  • ||

    Smashing Pumpkins as the bumper? What the fuck is this, 1994?

  • kibby||

    Do you have some sort of problem with 1994??

  • ||

    Who doesn't?

  • kibby||

    I'm not a person, I see how it is. *runs away crying*

  • ||

    If I haven't made a girl cry, my day isn't complete. It's been that way since 1994.

  • SweatingGin||

    a day without girls crying is like a day without sunshine.

  • kibby||

    If you wanted a reason for the lack of female libertarians, I'm pretty sure both of you are it.

  • playa manhattan||

    Dance, Suderman!

  • Slammer||

    Comedian girl: " Like, omgz, a 16 year old affair, like, who cares!"

    I'm pretty sure you'd care if you were date/groped/raped by someone twice your age who used you as a humidor.

  • sasob||

    If you're referring to "Blewinsky", you must be joking. Not to defend Cigar Bill and his shenanigans, but if anyone was the instigator/predator in that particular escapade of his, it was she - not Clinton.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    LEX LUTHER!

  • Derpetologist||

    Does he try to convert Superpope to Protestantism?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Luthor is copyrighted. What can you do?

  • ||

    And we have Kennedy with another almost faux pas, narrowly avoided. Now that's entertainment.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Kennedy just briefly cringed at how lame that 'gay-yer' line was.

  • Bobarian||

    Her ADD keeps her from dwelling on it.

  • playa manhattan||

    The locker room is........ a locker room.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Pretty soon the librarian is going to shush Carr.

  • ||

    Is Carr baked off his ass? Because he sure seems like it. I mean, I can't fault him if he is.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Yummy, giraffe. Tastes like chicken.

    Almost as good as Snowy Owl.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Apparently New Orleans fans are worse than Hitler.

  • kibby||

    This doesn't come as a surprise, somehow.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    One expects it from Philadelphia. It's the worst place on Earth for a reason: the people there be universally assholes. But NOLA?

  • ||

    AIGGGHHH WAYNE ALLEN ROOT

  • ||

    AAAHHH! Wayne Allen Root!

  • SweatingGin||

    OH FUCK WAYNE ALLEN ROOT!

  • ||

    Haha, Kennedy made a getting laid joke and the guest just stared blankly.

  • Slammer||

    Kennedy wants Carr to pay her a visit

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    To hell with guacamole competitions, this show needs live cockfighting.

  • playa manhattan||

    Gooooold!!!

  • SweatingGin||

    Every instinct screams SELL SELL SELL! Wayne Allen Root is selling gold, RUN AWAY!

  • ||

    At least Wayne Allen Root didn't call himself a libertarian.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "Now I'm just a simple country congressman..."

  • ||

    It's a "simple country hypercongressman", you twit!

    Badger?!? Where?!?

  • Slammer||

    It's Walter Brennan

  • Derpetologist||

    "I'm sorry I thought you was corn."

  • Bobarian||

    I'm just a simple country hyperchicken

  • ||

    Oh look, a fucking Congressperson who actually gives some bureaucrats shit. What a shame that's such a rarity.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I'm not as sophisticated and urbane as Kennedy, but do you nibble on a Vienna sausage?

  • SweatingGin||

    Depends on what you're trying to insinuate.

  • ||

    Try to read between the lines, yokel.

  • kibby||

    Go buy some & try. We'll reimburse you when you return with results.

  • SweatingGin||

    He's going to have to record it and post it on youtube. Maybe while asking politicians tough questions.

  • kibby||

    I am interested in this.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    When I hear Vienna sausage I think of the tiny ones in sauce you buy in a can.

    So tiny that it would be illogical to nibble on them.

  • ||

    So they remind you of yourself? And your mom?

  • kibby||

    Wow. Someone missed their nap today!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I let him have that one. He's a sad little man, he doesn't have much.

  • ||

    All I have is this thermos...and this can of Vienna sausages...and this lamp...

    That's all I need!

  • Bobarian||

    Nibble on a sausage?

    Kennedy seems to be (overly ) fixated tonight.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Is Poe a Republican?

  • SweatingGin||

    The accent says yes.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    So does the R after his name.

  • kibby||

    That's CHEATING.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    There seem to be plenty of FISC judges fine with rubber stamping de facto blanket warrants.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Fuck, who is this guy? I like.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Let me know how he does when there isn't a D in the whitehouse.

  • SweatingGin||

    Ooh! Oooh! I know!

    Goes in favor of State power all the way!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Audit the 215!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Government is getting drunk, lifting its shirt and making out with other same-sex governments. IT'S GONE WILD!

  • ||

    Tell me you're filming it. Make sure you get releases!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Be wary of fake IDs. She may claim to be 227 years old, but that document is written in Ye Olde English and is tough to verify.

  • SweatingGin||

    The variable space font is a dead giveaway.

  • playa manhattan||

    Does Episiarch work for MyCleanPC.com?

  • kibby||

    It's only been a half hour? Tonight's dragging...I blame the lack of Welch.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    You would.

  • ||

    I dunno. I feel the same way.

  • kibby||

    THANK YOU.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    If you donate a large enough sum to Reason I'm sure Nick Gillespie would make Suderman wear a Matt Welch mask the rest of the week.

  • kibby||

    That might just be creepy. I also don't know if it would be worth my not eating for the rest of the semester.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Look, after The Revolution do you want be sent to the mass incubators along with the rest of the women or do you want to be in Commander Welch's personal harem?

    Because you have to earn that with demonstrated devotion.

  • SweatingGin||

    Pffft. If no one has taken out commander welch before he tries to have a Harem, I will. It's the war of all-on-all, after all.

  • kibby||

    But I don't particularly want to be in your harem.

  • SweatingGin||

    Who said anything about my harem? After the revolution, when Colonel Gin, you'll be working in the juniper mines.

  • kibby||

    When I rule the world, there will be no gin for you. SUCK IT.

  • SweatingGin||

    Hah, Is fine. I will make a fortune bootlegging.

  • kibby||

    From the dungeons? Good luck with that. I'm sure the sewer rats will be really eager to help you out!

  • SweatingGin||

    I escaped from your dungeon once, I can do it again.

    Those rats have no tolerance.

  • kibby||

    I infused them with the blood of whiny progressives in a moment of boredom, so that's not entirely their fault.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    In the right part of town you can get a handy for $10.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    "right"

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Hey, I didn't say it was a good handy. No guarantees for a ten-spot. Especially if my hand cramps up.

  • ||

    Dogs don't wanna eat Rodman.

  • ||

    Rodman puking and shitting in Pyongyang sounds like a completely appropriate response.

  • SweatingGin||

    Who hasn't puked all over pyongyang?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    He's like George H. W. Bush in Japan. Certain American statesmen have trouble holding down lunch in the Pacific rim.

  • Bobarian||

    Rodman solved the trick to getting out of NK?

    Look for an epidemic!

  • ||

    Kennedy dislikes the hobo selfies because she's afraid she'll find herself in one after her next binge. That Listerene is a mean wine.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    They're making homeless plank and knock people out while doing the Macarena?

  • Lady Bertrum||

    I disagree, Kennedy. Jon Hamm is not a meat lover.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    WHAT'S THE POINT OF DUMB STARBUCKS? Everything has to have a point.

  • playa manhattan||

    The dumb people waiting in line for Dumb Starbucks.

  • ||

    SHE MADE A HAMMACONDA REFERENCE!

  • Bobarian||

    Wkat did I say! She's fixated.

    John Hamm's Ham?

  • BigT||

    How would they feel about Dumb Independents?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Before they're cancelled they need to dress up the set like the bridge of the TOS Enterprise and do a Mirror Universe show.

    Matt is a charming and charismatic progressive, Kmele a race baiter like Sharpton, and Kennedy has a beard and sits quietly.

  • ||

    So Suder-Man would be Wesley? I'm just trying to get a bead on this.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Suderman would be Chekov. He'll spend most of the show in the background in the Agony Booth.

  • ||

    Really? Upon reflection, I was thinking he was more Horta than anything else.

    NO DORK I

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    I think we have next Friday's theme. Bravo to you, sir.

  • ||

    Who else really, really wants to give Suder-Man a wedgie? Preferably atomic?

  • BigT||

    Isn't cockfighting one word?

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    It.....depends.

  • SweatingGin||

    Maybe, but it's pronounced cockfighting.

  • SIV||

    COCKFIGHTING!!!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    KOCHFIGHTING!!!!!

  • Ska||

    I came here for the Walking Dead hipster comic book readers vs. unwashed masses TV viewers.

    Who here doesn't want to see Lucille getting her freak on?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Pow! You've just been Von Duprinned.

  • ||

    Ouch! That stings!

  • Slammer||

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Goddammit. I was told there would be no more immigration talk.

  • ||

    "Some of my best friends are Canadians."

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Really?

  • playa manhattan||

    You tell us. You live in Canada Jr.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    They stay up there north of that line. We have drones.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    WINNIPEG JETS.

  • playa manhattan||

    Brutal!!!

  • kibby||

    This guy has all the charisma of a dead trout.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    It's the lack of a tie, I agree.

  • Derpetologist||

    Hey what is paper cup, chopped liver?

  • ||

    Haha, there's where he's gone wrong "I don't have any problem with Canadians"

  • Derpetologist||

    The Newsroom discovers that people say mean/stupid things on the internet; anonymity bemoaned. Remember guys, this is how things work in lefty libby lalaland:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiwHN6vEaqU

  • SweatingGin||

    From one pseudonym to another, fuck them.

  • Killaz||

    Sorkin has a talent for nailing the culture of boorish, low class oafs mistake themselves for being the elite. Wait, these aren't documentaries?

  • ||

    This dude's fade looks like it's made out of fishing line.

  • BigT||

    Exacerbate our unemployment situation!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Start with a fence. Add a moat. Gatling guns next. Do it incrementally.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    But enough small business solutions to Obamacare, what about immigration?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Alligators. It's all about the alligators.

  • ||

    "Nothing to lose your head over, eh?"

  • Derpetologist||

    Why not make it game show? Like the Running Man.

  • ||

    AHEM. Look at the quote above your comment.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    FUCK YOU ASSHOLE

  • Derpetologist||

    Dynamo was pretty cool. The others were meh.

  • ||

    You really should just let Kmele talk for most of the show.

  • kibby||

    Just once!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Even while he's talking Kennedy's pie hole is running full tilt in the background.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    So she talks constantly and they just turn her mic on and off? That makes sense, actually.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    They need a Kennedy wrangler.

  • playa manhattan||

    Kennedy was way harder on Allen West than she was on Anthony Wiener.

  • BigT||

    So, she likes Weiner? And cockfighting.

  • SweatingGin||

    "Rick from Pawnstars here. You've got 50 razor blades there, and this guy just said they're worth $200. I'll give you 7 bucks."

  • kibby||

    Goodie, a catheter commercial! Can't we just have the Tom Hiddleston one again?

  • ||

    Cock. Ring. I don't get it, Kennedy.

  • SweatingGin||

    I gotta stop tuning out the show.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Was Suderman's gaze fixed on that red sweater?

  • SweatingGin||

    I won't tell Megan.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Like all married men, he is blind to other women now.

  • ||

    Her sweater is red?!?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    You would be such dead weight in the zombie apocalypse.

  • Derpetologist||

    Christmas must really suck for the color-blind.

    I keed! I keed!

  • Bobarian||

    Fixated, I tell ya!

  • ||

    This show needs to steal the "IS IT RACIST?" segment from Tosh.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW...

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    God damnit, even Kmele's dog is adorable.

  • kibby||

    Seriously.

  • Bobarian||

    Cock-fighting was a big thing here in KY not that long ago.

  • ||

    Oh look, not only is Kmele the best panelist, he's also logical and sensible about other things too, including animal rights stupidity.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Foster is pure anarchy.

  • ||

    Will non-libertarians watching this get the purity test joking?

    Is anyone watching this besides us?

  • SweatingGin||

    Look at the commercials, jesse. People with small businesses dumb enough to move to NY, who need disposable catheters in bulk. And might consider buying gold from Wayne Allyn Root.

  • ||

    I can't look at the commercials I'm watching it streaming through foxnews.com. It just shows me "Commercial break in progress your show will return shortly"

    It sounds like the commercials are really entertaining.

  • playa manhattan||

    Wayne Allen Root selling gold, mycleanpc.com etc etc.

    No walk in tubs this time, though.

  • playa manhattan||

    According to the sudden change in advertising, probably not. Did you buy any gold today?

  • Bobarian||

    Now she just called that guy peter. Fixated!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    K is right again.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    All animal lovers, commence the hate tweeting Kmele Foster!

  • ||

    Does Tonio tweet? We could rat Kmele out to him and maybe knock Epi off his high horse for the 2 minutes hate score.

  • ||

    Wow, watch the irrational and emotional panelists gang up on Kmele for being sensible. God damn, animal bullshit really makes most people extra crispy fried stupid.

  • Killaz||

    'K-9 Officer Laid to Rest.'

    http://myfox8.com/2014/01/22/d.....-standoff/

    Like the feudal era all over again where the horses had more rights than the common folk. In this case animal rights is an extension of power for the knighted elite.

  • Killaz||

    Lets see, Tilley was cooperating. He let the hostages go in exchange for cigarettes. He only started firing when the cops sicked the dog on him. Yet, he is being charged with killing a 'k-9 officer' and attempted murder of a deputy who was actually shot by the sheriff. Okay, got it. Forewarned is forearmed.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Bobarian, fixated?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Principles children.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Even Knox is like "Fuck this, it's poker night."

  • Slammer||

    Kennedy: "My FEELZ!!"

  • Bobarian||

    So, Kmele's stance: someone besides Cops should be able to shoot your dog?

  • SweatingGin||

    Kmele++

    Sit there on national TV and say "no, you can't eat my dog, it's my dog"

  • ||

    AIGGHHH MARKY MARK

  • Capt. Rimmer||

    If we don't own our cocks we don't own shit.

  • Derpetologist||

    Thomas Sowell squares off against Frances Fox Piven (of the Cloward-Piven) strategy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQkdSj6arn0

  • Slammer||

    That one's a classic.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Figures.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Zombies. Realistic.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    11 yo dorks?

  • SweatingGin||

    Oh, this isn't really Kmele, this is comic book segment. Full geek time.

  • ||

    Personally I thought last night's Walking Dead was pretty fucking annoying. I don't need to watch teenage angst in a zombie apocalypse.

  • BigT||

    It's just a soap opera with zombies!!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    It was fine. You don't have to dump on everything.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    The Walking Dead is never "good". It's either interesting or not and last night was interesting.

    The show has an uncanny ability of pulling me back in with a good episode of cliffhanger once I start to lose interest.

  • kibby||

    Hey, some of us aren't eleven, Kennedy.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Dork off? Cockfighting? What's going on here?

  • Bobarian||

    It's Kennnedy:

    Dork Cock peter sausage ham

  • BigT||

    Night of the Living Dead - fine. Dawn of the Dead - OK. All this rip-off shit is shit.

  • playa manhattan||

    If we're talking TV/Movies, I'll say this:

    The most recent Real Detectives was awesome.

  • ||

    You mean True Detectives. And yeah, the botched skinhead raid on the black gang drug house was...surreal. And I was really stoned for it too, making it even better.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    You mean True Detective? Then yes, yes it was. That last 20 minutes was better than most movies you'll see in a year. Especially the tracking shot.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Yep. Incredible.

  • playa manhattan||

    Dammit. Yes, True Detectives. I was in the middle of a conversation when I typed that.

    I'm curious to see where they go with Mcconaughey's character. He said some crazy shit in the interview.

  • ||

    Maybe I'll stop trying to watch Looking and give this Detective show of yours a shot.

  • playa manhattan||

    I have the first 4 episodes downloaded in HD in .mkv format if you want them. It's on HBO.

    I watched all 4 in a row last night, and was up until 4am.

  • ||

    aac audio or ac3?

    I have ac3-related anger issues.

  • playa manhattan||

    Video: 1280x720 MPEG 4 AVC 23.976 FPS
    Audio: A52 (AC3) 2 channel stereo, 384 kb/s 48000hz

  • ||

    Why is this a trend!? It's 2 channel, just fucking encode it in aac or mp3 so it's universally compatible.

    Yeah. I guess I'll take the files...

  • playa manhattan||

    Don't you use VLC?

  • ||

    No, I use MPC, which plays AC3 just fine, but I also have a roku box that freaks the fuck out AC3 audio.

  • playa manhattan||

    The deal comes with 1/2 of a Fresh Brothers pizza. I have 2 in my fridge leftover from yesterday's birthday party. Package deal.

  • ||

    I can live with that.

  • SweatingGin||

    Kmele picks up Walking Dead comic book.

    Suderman: "BE CAREFUL WITH THAT!"

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    It's not that kind of cloud. Women don't understand technology.

  • kibby||

    Maybe we just function on a higher plane of being than you.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    OR MAYBE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND TECHNOLOGY. IRON MY SANDWICH AND MAKE ME A SHIRT.

  • kibby||

    *functions on a higher plane than you*

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    AH! Lou Dobbs.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Mr. Suderman, you actually did a fine job.

    Matt, you might want to think about cutting the cruise short.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    He's number two on the list of Matt replacements, behind Naomi Brockwell.

  • kibby||

    Poor Matt. He can't even defend himself.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    I accept this ranking.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    In the power vacuum of Welch's absence I should have taken control. But I can't stand cocktails.

  • kibby||

    Is it because you're worried about the date rape drug? 'Cause you don't have to be...we promise.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    It's because I only have one kidney, and if I'm going to subject it to alcohol it's going to be beer.

  • kibby||

    Pussy.

  • SweatingGin||

    Was going to say this earlier, but didn't want to take away your last word.

    Kibby dishes. Christ, she dishes.

  • ||

    Wait, are you mono-kidneyed for a cool reason?

    Sold to highest bidder to raise capital for orphan farm and adjacent rare-earth metals mine?

    Was Shanghaid by very pretty, very convincing trannies in SE Asia and woke up in a bathtub full of ice?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Unilateral renal agenesis.

  • SweatingGin||

    Google autocomplete on that is awesome:

    "unilateral renal agenesis is not compatible with life"

  • kibby||

    Holy shit, that is hardcore.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Yeah, I guess it was already explained in an earlier, less visited episode of The Independents

  • ||

    Damn, sorry to hear that. No matter what anybody else says, I'M glad it wasn't bilateral.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    If it makes you feel any better, in place of the missing kidney is an accessory spleen, which makes me pretty much invincible.

    It's really no big deal. I lived with it quite a while without even knowing. But it makes me aware of just how often the topic of kidneys comes up in reason for some, um, reason.

  • SweatingGin||

    But it makes me aware of just how often the topic of kidneys comes up in reason for some, um, reason.

    Are you suggesting you have a source of kidneys? nudge, nudge

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Postrel is stingy with her other renal organ.

  • playa manhattan||

    That's awesome. Are you missing any other body parts?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Are you missing any other body parts?

    At least I'm not diabetic, color blind or, worst, Canadian.

  • ||

    Hey, I'm not just color blind, I have no appendix, no tonsils, no wisdom teeth, no marrow in my right femur because it's filled with a solid titanium rod, no soul, and no sense of decency. You're nothing, piker!

  • SweatingGin||

    So, you're basically Barry, Right?

    Douche.

  • ||

    no soul

    Did Epi just admit to being a ginger?

    'Shouldn't we do something for HELPeR, since he is always so helpful?'

    This went over my head.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Isn't HELPeR Dr. Venture's robot?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Get back to us when you can afford adamantium rods. (Make sure they get your good side, good side.)

  • playa manhattan||

    Is there a good story behind the titanium rod, or is it just a run of the mill masturbation accident?

  • SweatingGin||

    Is there a good story behind the titanium rod, or is it just a run of the mill masturbation accident?

    Think less "Accident" and more "Upgrade"

  • playa manhattan||

    Maybe he got a few of his ribs removed too...

  • Killaz||

    'Shouldn't we do something for HELPeR, since he is always so helpful?'

  • Killaz||

    Damn threading limitations. When I have something to say to Jesse, goddamn it squirrels, you make room.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    And speak of the devil, a zombie appears right after the Independents.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Kennedy is telling Irish jokes.

  • SweatingGin||

    oh right, live stream.

  • Derpetologist||

    Thomas Sowell vs. MUH DIVERSITY!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2l24xOJzA

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Speaking of Sam: There was a Party Down episode about the NFL draft and a [SPOILER ALERT] gay player.

  • kibby||

    Thank you for reminding me how soul-achingly much I miss that show. Thanks TONS.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Watch Parks and Recreation and Children's Hospital. You get the same thing.

  • kibby||

    Still doesn't compare.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    A negative comparison is still a comparison.

  • kibby||

    Okay mister grumpypants. I don't like Parks & Rec (it grates on me) & Children's Hospital is, like, twelve minutes long.

    I may just miss the pink bowties.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Manhaters on the live stream.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Europe is racist. That is all.

  • Derpetologist||

    The Newsroom explains that voter fraud just doesn't happen- it's all a conspiracy to disenfranchise *those people*.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGAvwSp86hY

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    DO NOT WANT.

  • Killaz||

    Because signing up for my EBT free photo ID is just too hard!

  • Derpetologist||

    There 20 millions adults without ID? How the hell do they buy booze?

  • Killaz||

    They pay a social inequity premium for someone else to go in the store and buy it for them.

  • Derpetologist||

    On Friday, I sent several of the commentariat into shock by derp overload. Tonight's offering is slightly tamer. A critique of Edgar the Exploiter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcPNXuhAnEs

    This one is great for fallacy bingo!

  • SIV||

    Good to see Kmele defending the ancient and honorable sport of cockfighting.

    By Suderman-logic imprisoning gays for consensual sodomy was a good thing because people used to think it was icky.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    That was a different kind of cock fighting.

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