Don't Miss J.D. Tuccille on HuffPost Live Discussing Those Liberal Kids

Today, at 7pm ET, 4pm PT, some other time wherever the hell I am, I'll be appearing I appeared on HuffPo Live to discuss whether those crazy kids of today have learned to stop worrying and love big government. The New York Times says it's all over, folks! The youth of today aren't just socially tolerant — they dig the state, too.

Actually, though, Reason has done some polling on this issue. Our polling found that millennials are, overall, more comfortable with a large, intrusive government than their elders, and also more supportive of (in this poll) marijuana legalization. But while these views overlap, they aren't entirely held by the same people. As Emily Ekins wrote:

[O]nly 28 percent of millennials want to both legalize pot and strengthen government. Instead, 30 percent want to legalize pot and prefer free markets to a strong central government. Another 29 percent of young Americans want a strong central government but don’t want to legalize marijuana. Another way to think of this is that 50 percent of young Americans desiring drug reform also prefer free markets, and half of millennials who prefer strong government also oppose marijuana legalization. Only nine percent preferred free markets and wanted to ban drugs, a sample size too small to deeply evaluate.

So millennials are rather more mixed in their views than the Times would have us believe, and this is after years of Republicans making the small-government brand seem a bit ... icky.

On top of that, the 18-24 set is more opposed to an assault weapons ban than the oldsters. Interesting.

See the video below.

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  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Fuck 'em up, 2chili!

  • Suki||

    Good morning reason!

  • Lucy Steigerwald||

    Some things never change.

  • Gladstone||

    I'm not sure how any social tolerance can overcome the notion that reduced increases in spending will lead to the apocalypse.

    Also how are banning fats, salts, sugar, tobacco, etc. tolerant? What is so tolerant about speech codes, criminalizing hate speech and government funding of abortion and contraception?

  • ||

    Also how are banning fats, salts, sugar, tobacco, etc. tolerant? What is so tolerant about speech codes, criminalizing hate speech and government funding of abortion and contraception?

    Oh, oh, oh, I know, I know! Because fuck you, that's why!

    But really, liberals are very tolerant as long as you accept their logic and reasoning without question. Otherwise you're a racist, misogynist, that's probably white and privileged.

    Just look at how their latest meme is "we demand a vote" on gun control. If they don't get what the want, it's solely because some insidious right wing conspiracy has used their corporate power to deprive them of it.

  • Brandon||

    You forgot to put "Logic" and "Reasoning" in quotes.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Word

  • Zeb||

    Liberals are tolerant. Progressives are not. Democrat, liberal, progressive and leftist are not all synonyms.

  • fish||

    The New York Times says it's all over, folks! The youth of today aren't just socially tolerant — they dig the state, too.

    Get back to me when those kids are paying for it.

  • AlmightyJB||

    The NY Times says shit as if it's a fact as a tactic to make it so.

  • fish||

    “Young people absolutely believe that there’s a role for government,” said Matt Singer, a founder of Forward Montana, a left-leaning though officially nonpartisan group that seeks to engage young people in politics.

    Because if there is one thing America needs it's more politicians!

    “At the same time, this is not a generation of socialists. They are highly entrepreneurial, and know that some of what it takes to create an environment where they can do their own exciting, creative things is having basic systems that work.”

    Well that's good because about the time I'll be eligible for all those fabulous services that we all hear are so desperately needed (Obamaphones anyone...anyone) they'll be paying the freight out of all that entrepreneurialism! Really we're so interdependent and dual-natured that it would be both cruel and rude for me not to accept their largesse!

    Thank you youth of Montana! You will make my later years truly golden!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Their news outlet of choice currently loves them the big government, so the kids are going to love the big government.

  • ||

    Kids watch news programs? That's news to me.

  • Gladstone||

    You're talking about Jon Stewart right?

    Nothing says "cool" like being part of some totalitarian political movement. Oh wait....

  • silent v||

    7pm ET, 5pm PT

    DJ 2Chill doesn't DO time zones!

  • Gladstone||

    Well they are government created aren't they?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    No. Like all useful things, they were created in the private sector. In this case, by the railroad companies.

  • Gladstone||

    Well the government signed it into law. In libertopia it will always be Midnight in LA!

  • Gladstone||

    Sorry should have said "government enforced" as they did not actually create the current concept.

  • 34lbs||

    "Hey check it out guys.. i'm leading the parade!!" - Every Government Ever

  • Tony||

    Never pay attention to the NYT when it discovers a supposed phenomenon among young people.

    I wouldn't be surprised if a large proportion of young people is libertarian with respect to government (at least in the abstract--as are culturally right wing libertarians on Social Security). And that the thing that's turning them off to the more economically libertarian party is that party's rampant idiocy and theocratic, mean-spirited approach to social policy. Better be careful we don't tarnish the small-government message by association with that stuff.

    That being said even the poll reason cites shows 60% support for bigger government.

  • Gladstone||

    Better be careful we don't tarnish the small-government message by association with that stuff.

    Wait so the original Tony has finally come back?

  • Gladstone||

    Hmm T o n y (with spaces) was earlier claiming to be a "Democratic-leaning libertarian"

    http://reason.com/blog/2013/02.....nt_3562464

  • Sevo||

    Scheisskopf (no spaces) can claim anything he pleases, but scheisskopf is a brain-dead lefty.

  • fish||

    Oklahoma budget cutbacks have forced him to stop using those pretentious extra spaces.

  • Gladstone||

    So when did Tony ever claim to be a Democrat leaning libertarian? Has that been lost in the ether of the prereg era thanks to Warty and Epi?

  • Tony||

    Like someone with a dentist for an uncle, I pulled some strings and got the spaces removed.

  • SIV||

    Read this in Nick Gillespie's voice.

  • OldMexican||

    Re: Tony (no spaces),

    And that the thing that's turning them off to the more economically libertarian party is that party's rampant idiocy and theocratic, mean-spirited approach to social policy.


    You mean the idea that people should not steal through government action is - to quote your words - "theocratic and mean-spirited"?

    I shall remember that next time I tell the teller to fill the bag with 10s and 20s: "Don't be theocratic and mean-spirited."

  • Gladstone||

    I suppose he could be refering to so-cons but yes he would feel that "no more free shit!" is "theocratic and mean-sprited."

  • T o n y||

    I mean their amply displayed true concerns: keeping dark skinned people from being upwardly mobile and gay people from marrying.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    After eight years of the Big Gov Bushpigs anyone under 35 can't be blamed for assuming the Dems are the fiscally responsible party.

  • Gladstone||

    Yes because the last five years have shown the Dems are the fiscally responsible party.

    Not to mention I don't see too many attacks on the GOP for being hypocrites on fiscal responsibility but for actually advocating some limited fiscal responsibilty.

  • silent v||

    The most common attack on the Tea Party is that they didn't exist before Obama (therefore they are racist, natch) when Bush was just as bad.

  • Gladstone||

    Perhaps. Then they'll turn around and say cutting spending is in of itself racist.

  • AlmightyJB||

    They've done that

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Spending has remained constant at the $3.5 trillion mark since Obama was inaugurated.

    (+/- $100 billion)

    Bush ran it from $1.9 trillion to $3.5 trillion.

  • fish||

    I thought he was going to reign in all all the unconstitutional programs and end the waste and fraud.

    Guess not.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    They all say that but none ever do.

    I am jaded. I am not T o n y. I am a Darwinist. The weak should die off. It would be good for the strong among us.

  • Sivo||

    The weak should die off. It would be good for the strong among us.

    Good. We should start with the bleevers.

  • Sevo||

    Sivo| 2.20.13 @ 8:07PM |#
    The weak should die off. It would be good for the strong among us.
    Good. We should start with the bleevers.

    Sorry, sock, it's "Sevo"; pronounced with a long "E" in case you want to tell your friends.
    But you're good on the "bleevers".

  • Sevo||

    Palin's Buttplug| 2.20.13 @ 8:01PM |#
    "They all say that but none ever do."

    But you keep sucking team blue cock since your dad won't let you?

  • 34lbs||

    I thought capitalism was social darwinism, Omnomnoam Chomsky said so..

  • Libertarius||

    LOL Listen to you. Love to burst your bubble, but as a lefty "the weak" includes your bitch ass.

  • ||

    As bad as it was I thought that TARP was at least theoretically supposed to be a one time thing, not a new baseline for spending levels.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    TARP was a one time thing. It was never in the budget but instead a supplemental appropriation.

  • Cytotoxic||

    And then Obama made it and the spending into a baseline.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    A fucking lie. There is no line item for TARP in the current budget (BCA of 2011).

  • Sevo||

    Palin's Buttplug| 2.20.13 @ 9:06PM |#
    "TARP was a one time thing. It was never in the budget but instead a supplemental appropriation."

    Dipshit, how do you keep track of all of your lies?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    You idiots actually think TARP is a recurring $700 billion program?

    As much as I hate Bush I would never foist a lie like that on him.

    TARP was a one time expenditure.

  • Cytotoxic||

    That became the baseline for future spending.

  • ||

    God, what a fucking mendacious idiot.

    Bush's debt increased over 8 years what Obama's increased in 4.

    ASSHOLE!

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    You dumbass TEAM RED COCKSUCKER.

    Bush inherited a surplus, Obama a $1.2 trillion annual deficit.

  • ||

    I'm going to ignore your stupid insistence that borrowing from Social Security to pay for shit is a surplus, and jump on over to your absurd deficit remark. Tell us, Shriek, what has fiscally responsible Obama done to get rid of that $1.2 trillion annual deficit?

  • Sevo||

    Palin's Buttplug| 2.20.13 @ 9:55PM |#
    "You dumbass TEAM RED COCKSUCKER.
    Bush inherited a surplus, Obama a $1.2 trillion annual deficit."

    Dipshit, do you need to be reminded of the Big Lie?

  • ||

    Fuck you you pathetic cunt.

    You fucking come here and fucking lie out your ass and I get called a team red cocksucker?

    When Bush entered office the debt was just under $6T. When he left it was $10T. Unless math has fucking changes since I went to grammar school that's an increase of just over $4T in 8 fucking years.

    The debt now is $16T. That's a fucking increase of $6T in just over 4 years you fucking pathetic lying assfuck.

    $6-10T

    $10-16T

  • Professional Target||

    I keep hearing about that surplus, but I cannot find where the national debt actually goes down. Would you be so kind as to show where the total debt amount goes down?

    09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
    09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
    09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
    09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
    09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
    09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
    09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
    09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
    09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
    09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
    09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
    09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
    09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
    09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
    09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
    09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
    09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
    09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
    09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
    09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38

  • Killazontherun||

    Split the difference. TARP was a one time thing. Over the past five years, there has been an explosion in entitlement spending. The part of the budget that is on automatic now consumes around the entire budget of 2002.

  • SIV||

    Are you counting TARP as spending?

  • ||

    Of course, what Bush spent in 8 years, Obama spent in 4.

    Dipshit!

  • ||

    Excuse me.

    OVERSPENT!

  • fish||

    After eight years of the Big Gov Bushpigs anyone under 35 can't be blamed for assuming the Dems are the fiscally responsible party.

    Don't you mean 12 years? Remember during Sugar Coated Barry O's first term where he channeled Boooosh and totally let down TEAM BLUE idiots like yourself!

    Almost forgot: Christfag

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I'm not a progressive.

    I am AGAINST single-payer healthcare.

    Actually, I don't know what else they are for. But yes, many of them feel Obama is too right-wing.

  • Sevo||

    Palin's Buttplug| 2.20.13 @ 7:59PM |#
    "I'm not a progressive."

    It's possible that's true, assuming you're entirely to ignorant to even know what you post.

  • Hyperion||

    anyone under 35 can't be blamed for assuming the Dems are the fiscally responsible party.

    Good fucking lord, just when I think you aren't completely stupid, you prove me wrong.

    We're 17 trillion dollars in debt and the Dems say we don't have a spending problem.

    That would be like me having to borrow 40% of my income every month to pay my credit card debt, but continuing to spend at an increased rate and then telling my poor wife that we don't have a spending problem.

    Is there a childrens forum somewhere where you could go and post? You sure the hell are not an adult and don't belong on an adult site posting. Your mommy needs to spank your ass and keep you off the internet.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Remember 'liberaltarianism'? I think Shriek is what happens when you take it the full nine yards. It changes you, like one the Rings of lore.

  • Flatulent Monkey||

    One monocle to rule them all?

  • Zeb||

    Well, it's still better than liberal-progressivism.

  • OldMexican||

    Re: Palin's Buttwipe,

    After eight years of the Big Gov Bushpigs anyone under 35 can't be blamed for assuming the Dems are the fiscally responsible party.


    I am not going to blame them for assuming that, I am just going to conclude they're stupid to assume that despite the evidence in front of their very eyes.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    It's the Strauss-Howe generational theory

    The millenials are the current "Hero" generation:

    Hero generations are born after an Awakening [the conunter culture revolution of the 60-70s], during a time of individual pragmatism, self-reliance, and laissez faire [the Reagan era]. Heroes grow up as increasingly protected post-Awakening children, come of age as team-oriented young optimists during a Crisis [GWOT and the Fincial Crisis], emerge as energetic, overly-confident midlifers, and age into politically powerful elders attacked by another Awakening.
  • Sudden||

    That would fit rather neatly into my fellow millennials being idiot statist fucks much like the GI generation (although worth noting that I consider myself half Gen X as the youngest kid in a boomer house and born in the first year of the millennials, thus adopting some more GenX personality via osmosis).

  • Stormy Dragon||

    I'm near the tail end of Gen X (born in 1977), but I clearly fit into the Nomad worldview ("Nomads grow up as under-protected children during this Awakening, come of age as alienated, post-Awakening adults, become pragmatic midlife leaders during a Crisis, and age into resilient post-Crisis elders.").

  • Cytotoxic||

    Now that is really interesting. And I really really hope something good is coming after generation retard. More charter schools please!

  • Stormy Dragon||

    Well, if the cycle holds up, the current crisis environment should abate by around 2020. The period from 2020-2040 will be pretty good in most material respects, but is going to be extremely conformist and socially confining, so we're all probably going to go nuts.

    The good news is that if we can make to around 2040, the "Homeland Generation" is gonna rebel.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    Sorry, not the "Homeland Generation", it's the one after that rebels. That is, the Milennials get done in by their own children.

  • Cytotoxic||

    This also highlights the need for continued mass immigration and emigration, to smooth out and disrupt these cycles.

  • SIV||

    We should emigrate half of that generation to the Moon.

  • Cytotoxic||

    What did the moon do to deserve this?

  • SIV||

    Silently and withour protest let itself be associated with Newt Gingrich.

  • Generic Stranger||

    Fuck that. We should take over the Moon and form a libertarian colony. We could call it Freehold, and we could drop large rocks down the gravity well if Earth gets uppity.

  • Virginian||

    Heinlein is dead, but Mad Mike will run you through with a sword he forged himself if you steal his colony names.

  • Generic Stranger||

    I don't know, I think he'd be down with calling it that. He'd probably be one of the first immigrants.

  • Virginian||

    Only if we have no nudity taboo and all convert to paganism.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    NYT goes to hippie haven Missoula, interviews a handful of "activists" dipshits, concludes the War on Big Gov is over.

    Who could have seen that coming?

  • Sudden||

    Moe Tkacik might be one of the dumbest people I've ever seen invited on to discuss something in one of these roundtable type settings. It seriously hurt my brain trying to make sense of what she was saying.

    FICA taxes don't hurt as much as a $35 overdraft fee? Jesus.

  • Sudden||

    In fact, this Moe character was so scorned for her continual interruptions and lack of any real contribution to the dialogue that she must've been kicked off because when the host ended it, he purposely did not thank her.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Matt Singer, a founder of Forward Montana, a left-leaning though officially nonpartisan group that seeks to engage young people in politics.

    They engage in politics by campaigning for a left wing authoritarian candidate for Governor who doesn't believe the First Amendment should apply in the state of Montana. Fuck those lying shits.

  • Gladstone||

    Well socially tolerant people can not allow the intolerant to say what they want.

  • Not a Libertarian||

    My first question to Mr. Tucille would be to ask what it really was like to work on OZ.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    OT - gold got hammered again today. It is surely in a bubble and will get slaughtered sometime soon. Like below $1000/oz.

    When? Who knows. But commodities always fall after the "story" unravels.

  • Sevo||

    Shreek predicts markets will fluctuate!
    Mr. Obviousman yawns.

  • Hyperion||

    I predict that in 5 minutes from now or so, Shreek will say something even stupider than he has already said tonight.

    Although he is right about gold, after the fact, of course. I have been saying this will happen for 2 fucking years now. It's easy for anyone to say it will happen after it already starts happening. Durrrr.

  • Sevo||

    "Although he is right about gold, after the fact, of course."
    Dunno if shreek is a sucker for the technique or hoping to pitch it:
    Make five predictions. One's bound to hit. Pitch whoever bit on that one for what you can get. Rinse and repeat.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I have commented here that I have shorted gold twice, you clown.

    I shorted too early, obviously, and got stopped out.

  • Hyperion||

    Your brain has shorted out more than twice, and still is not working ,fool.

  • Sudden||

    Commodity vs. Equities cycles usually last around 20 years. Considering the current commodity boom didn't occur until the early 2000's, I don't see an end to it in sight. Certainly even less so once the velocity of money surges and leads to interest rates spikes.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Derp

  • SweatingGin||

    Looking forward to a huge buying opportunity, thanks.

  • OldMexican||

    Re: Palin's Buttwipe,

    OT - gold got hammered again today. It is surely in a bubble and will get slaughtered sometime soon. Like below $1000/oz.


    Keep telling yourself that, Buttwipe. Just don't expect any mercy from us after the Great Default, as that would mean polluting the gene pool.

  • OldMexican||

    Re: Palin's Buttwipe,

    It [gold] is surely in a bubble and will get slaughtered sometime soon.


    What's happening is that we're entering an inflationary recession and people are selling their assets to take advantage of today's prices. Many commodities are going down at the same time, so it is not just gold, you ignoramusness. Same thing that happened in Chile after Allende.

  • Hyperion||

    Inflation is not real! Teabagger!

    Big government is supreme! I am gumby, damnit!

  • fish||

    Like below $1000/oz.

    Oh shreeky I do so hope you are right!

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Our polling found that millennials are, overall, more comfortable with a large, intrusive government than their elders

    Proof to statists the government school system works.

  • Hyperion||

    they dig the state, too.

    That is, like, sooo fucking uncool, bro.

  • Calidissident||

    I'd like to see more of a breakdown on differences in views on specific issues among age groups. It's one thing for an old person to say "I oppose big government" in a survey. But how many of them want to end SS or Medicare? How many want to repeal the Patriot Act? Or end the War on Drugs?

  • ||

    I don't care what these kids do today, so long as they stay off my lawn.

  • Hyperion||

    I don't care what these kids do today, so long as they stay off my lawn.

    A high powered semi-auto air gun with .68 caliber metal balls at 400 fps aimed at the ass, should get them off your lawn. Not that I would know about that.

    Did I mention that I hate giant furry rats named bambie?

  • jecobjesan||

    my classmate's mother-in-law brought in $13061 past month. she has been working on the internet and got a $575500 condo. All she did was get blessed and put to work the instructions written on this link www.WOW92.com

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    You can't make this shit up
    THE investigating officer in Oscar Pistorius's murder case is facing several charges of attempted murder, police have confirmed.

    Hilton Botha reportedly opened fire on a bunch of terrified passengers in a mini-bus in a drunken shooting incident with three other officers in 2009.

    Despite the charges, police reportedly plan to keep Botha on the Pistorius murder case, South Africa's Eyewitness News reports.

    The news site reports that the three drunken officers allegedly opened fire on a mini-bus full of terrified passengers.
  • Hyperion||

    I keep hearing stuff about how dangerous and corrupt SA is. I have always wanted to go there, but I am having serious reservations about it. I mean, really, I don't want to go anywhere that violence and the answer, the police, are worse than here.

  • Paul.||

    Well, this post (and the NYT article) pretty much confirm everything I suspected about the young people.

    It's the dismal tide.

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

  • Paul.||

    Lucy stumbled through her response to that ridiculous quote from whats-his-name from Alternet.

    That 'lifestyle' of freedom that he detailed requires a distinct lack of freedom from others. If everyone chose that lifestyle, then that lifestyle would collapse.

    It requires other people's wealth and labor to be extracted se he can live that lifestyle. The GDP produced from working on driftwood sculptures won't pay for robotic surgery and CT scan machines.

  • Lucy Steigerwald||

    Yes I did. It was too much stupid, too early in the proceedings. Plus, nobody ever opens with me!

  • XM||

    The Emily Ekins poll revealed that even "fiscally conservative" millenials voted for Obama, which is what I suspected all along.

    Lanza was 20 years old, and he had the balls of steel to shoot your own mother in the face, snuff out 20 kids, and then take your own life. The Muslim community college kid who shot 4 random people in the OC was around 20. I know mass shootings are rare, but you can't expect good things from a generation raised by sub par (progressive) parents who apparently doesn't care that their 20 year old kids are wasting 8 hours a day playing COD or burying their faces on ipads or online virtual worlds.

    None of my ultra smart Asian friends who are nurses and doctors are under any illusion that Obamacare will make their lives easy. But they voted for him anyways. They know little about his drone policies, his recess appointments, etc. Obama is like a new Iphone, people have to try it.

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