NYT Message on Energy Drinks: Be Afraid! Safe As Coffee!

A couple of weeks ago, I noted that the two prongs of New York Times reporter Barry Meier's journalistic crusade against energy drinks conflict with each other: In one story, he will warn that energy drinks contain so much caffeine that they might kill you, while in another he will debunk marketing claims about the supposedly energizing special ingredients in these products, saying all they really deliver is about as much caffeine as you get in a cup of coffee. Meier manages to hit both of these themes in two recent stories without noticing the contradiction.

Last week Meier noted a Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) report on emergency room visits by people who had recently consumed energy drinks:

A rising number of patients, many of them young people, are being treated in emergency rooms for complications related to highly caffeinated energy drinks like Red Bull, Monster Energy and 5-Hour Energy, new federal data shows.

The number of annual hospital visits involving the drinks doubled from 2007 to 2011, the latest year for which data are available, according to a report by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration.

In 2011, there were 20,783 reported emergency room visits in which an energy drink was cited as the primary cause of or a contributing factor to a health problem, compared with 10,068 in 2007. Such problems, which are typically linked to excessive caffeine consumption, can include anxiety, headaches, irregular heartbeats and heart attacks.

In two-fifths of these cases, the patients had consumed other drugs (typically alcohol or stimulants like Adderall or Ritalin) as well. Still, 20,783 sure sounds like a lot. How does that compare to emergency room visits by users of other psychoactive substances? Meier does not say, but this DAWN report shows that in 2010 there were 687,574 visits related to alcohol, 408,021 related to benzodiazepines (such as Valium), 115,739 related to hydrocodone (Vicodin), and 105,229 related to antidepressants. Even marijuana—which does not cause fatal overdoses and has so few serious side effects that the Drug Enforcement Administration's chief administrative law judge called it "one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man"—clocked in at 461,028. In this context, 20,783 seems less impressive, especially given the size of the energy drink market. Survey data from 2008 indicated that more than a third of 18-to-24-year-olds were regular consumers of energy drinks, and the market has grown substantially since then (which helps explain why the number of hospital visits has risen). By comparison, less than a fifth of people in this age group report past-month marijuana use.

The point is not that marijuana is extremely dangerous but that the numbers Meier cites to pump up alarm about energy drinks actually make them look pretty benign. Similarly, Meier claims in the same article that the Food and Drug Administration has received "numerous reports of deaths and injuries in which the drinks were mentioned." How numerous? About two dozen a year for 5 Hour Energy, one of the leading brands, and about four for Monster Energy drinks, another product Meier says poses a deadly threat to consumers. By comparison, the FDA receives thousands of such reports (which do not prove a causal relationship) about aspirin each year and hundreds about coffee

Speaking of coffee, there it is in Meier's ninth paragraph:

Energy drink producers claim that their proprietary formulations provide consumers with a physical and mental edge. There is little scientific evidence, however, that the drinks provide anything more than a high dose of caffeine similar to that found in a strong cup of coffee.

In short, we should worry about dying from a caffeine overdose when we drink Red Bull, even though it contains less caffeine per ounce than coffee. The discombobulating juxtaposition of these two points is even more striking in the latest installment of Meier's never-ending exposé because it occurs in adjacent paragraphs:

In recent months, the Food and Drug Administration has begun examining the safety of energy drinks following reports of several deaths and numerous injuries potentially associated with the products. The number of annual hospital emergency visits involving the drinks doubled from 2007 to 2011, according to a federal report released last week.

In addition, claims by drink producers that their proprietary "energy" formulations provide consumers with a physical and mental edge are coming under scrutiny. There is little scientific evidence, researchers say, that the drinks provide anything more than a high dose of caffeine similar to that found in a cup of strong coffee.

Be afraid! Safe as coffee! Pick one, Barry.

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  • Hugh Akston||

    The solution is simple. If energy drinks present the same risk as coffee, just ban both. I'm sure NYers will go for that.

  • Almanian.||

    Your ideas intrigue me, and I am interested in subscribing to your newsletter.

    Also - Fuck New York, Michigan AND California.

    That is all.

  • Rich||

    just ban both

    If it could save just one life, we must try!

    BTW, what does our Fearless Leader use to, um, "give him an edge"?

  • Sevo||

    "Fearless Leader use to, um, "give him an edge"?"

    Cranks up a couple of whopping lies and he's ready to go!

  • ||

    We MUST do SOMETHING to stem this EPIDEMIC!

  • mr lizard||

    The blood of Pakistani children seems to be Keeping him perky this last year

  • ||

    Caffeine should be Schedule 1 just like marijuana, seeing as it's theoretically more dangerous. The FDA needs to act!

  • Almanian.||

    Act, and act quickly!

    Here, take this No Doz™ to help your...quicknessism!

  • ||

    No, no, I have cocaine for that.

  • Hugh Akston||

    Epi's the only person I have ever seen who has been able to snort a line off his own butt cheek.

  • ||

    I had to have two ribs removed to be able to do that. But it was so worth it.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Epi's backflips are notorious.

  • Vapourwear||

    Theoretically?

    Hell, when I was studying for the bar exam I drank nearly an entire pot of coffee one day. Now, I'm not a caffeine user, generally and it was just a damn delicious pot of coffee that I kept drinking at absent mindedly.

    I got so damn high I could barely stand. I actually thought..."WOW, this shit is LEGAL?"

  • Ted S.||

    How big a pot? My current coffee maker only holds about a quart in the carafe, and I drink about that much every day. I don't get that fucking high.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I do believe that the government can provide subsidies for our poorer citizens so that everyone can afford health insurance. One of the great examples that I point people to is what they’re doing in Switzerland, where you have still private health insurance markets and yet the government creates subsidies for all of its citizens so that everyone can afford health insurance. There you let the private market, competitive capitalism work and yet the government makes sure that there’s a safety net for people – that’s where I wish we were going in the United States.

    Whole Foods CEO recants and now supports Obamacare model.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the.....acism.html

  • wareagle||

    honest PB: Whole Foods CEO bows to pressure from statist shitheads and eases off the gas peddle a bit to make them feel better about the voting choices they make but he has to live with.

    If he supported the Obama model, then this:
    There you let the private market, competitive capitalism work and yet the government makes sure that there’s a safety net for people
    would be coming from someone telling him how the Obama model is fucked up.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    honest PB: Whole Foods CEO bows to pressure from statist shitheads and eases off the gas peddle a bit to make them feel better about the voting choices they make but he has to live with. realizes that offending idiot proglodyte customers is bad for bidness

    FIFY

  • ||

    "Whole Foods CEO recants ...now supports Obamacare model."

    I dont believe that is what he said.
    Also, after his initial criticism lefty pundits were admitting that yes, it is fascism....but hey fascism isnt so bad. At least you fuckers are coming to terms with what you are and admitting to it.

    Now run off and kill yourself.

  • John Thacker||

    Except that's not at all what the Obamacare model is, which is why he said, as you quoted, that he wished we were going there.

    He wants something like universal HSAs with government funding. Not coverage mandated to include things, not stuffing things into premiums while insisting on low out of pocket spending.

    The Obamacare model and process was dominated by people who think that the HSA and high deductible / consumer driven health care plans are bad ideas. The Whole Foods CEO is a big fan of high deductible plans.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I'm a big fan of high deductible and high co-pay plans. They are not going away.

    The whole problem with health insurance originated when routine exams became covered items.

  • wareagle||

    The whole problem with health insurance originated when routine exams becamewhen govt got involved and mandated covered items.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    That too.

  • Mickey Rat||

    Which is a major aspect of Obamacare (see contraceptive mandate).

  • Sevo||

    Palin's Buttplug| 1.17.13 @ 6:04PM |#
    "I'm a big fan of high deductible and high co-pay plans."

    You're a lying sack of shit who'll post whatever lie comes to mind.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Fuck you. I was answering Thacker. And go do your fantasy 3-way with Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum, you GOP lowlife.

  • Sevo||

    Palin's Buttplug| 1.17.13 @ 6:41PM |#
    No, fuck you, you sleazy liar.
    If you ever find me defending any of you fetishes, you just let me know shitbag.
    Go fuck your dad I'm tired of reading about your issues.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    The New Normal in health insurance - high deductible plans (Kaiser June 2012)

    http://www.kaiserhealthnews.or.....rance.aspx

    Sorry, Thacker, you are one of the few fact based folks here (other than me of course) but you whiffed this time.

  • Cytotoxic||

    That contradicts nothing that Thacker said.

  • Jordan||

    Too bad Obamacare's MLR rule will likely kill HSAs and high deductible plans.

  • alittlesense||

    It is already limiting the usefulness of HSAs.

  • Xenocles||

    Oh, well, if the CEO of Whole Foods has something to say about a policy, that totally changes my mind on things.

  • John Thacker||

    It would be more fair to say that he continues to support something more like the McCain plan on health care, rather than the terrible Obamacare model that he still dislikes.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Yeah, umm no.

    But I will say that I sincerely hope that you have good coverage, shrike. 'Cause in about 4 years you're gonna need a whole team of specialists to pull your head out of Obama's ass.

    Just pray that he eats enough peanuts and corn to nourish you until the next election.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Pure name calling and invective, you stupid tampon.

  • General Butt Naked||

    I didn't call you any names.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Stop feeding the sockpuppet

  • Mokers||

    If you actually read the entire article that shrike posted it ends with:

    Mackey clearly is still not a fan of the new health care, but he said that he's still in search of a new way to describe it, likely one that doesn't come with so much historical baggage. "I think I'm going to use the phrase government-controlled health care," he told HuffPo. "That's where we’re evolving to right now."

    Sounds like a ringing endorsement.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I said he endorsed the Obamacare MODEL - subsidies for the poor and a private employer based system with market incentives all the while letting providers profit via volume and quality.

    He said it himself whilst struggling for a term for it.

    The MODEL part is important. I choose my words on a perfection algorithm.

    And how do you know my former name?

  • ||

    Everyone here knows you are shriek you stupid shithead.

  • Cytotoxic||

    The Obamacare 'model' certainly has nothing to do with the reality of Obamacare.

  • ||

    Shrike said:

    I said he endorsed the Obamacare MODEL - subsidies for the poor and a private employer based system with market incentives...

    Really? Then why did he follow this model endorsement with the following:

    There you let the private market, competitive capitalism work and yet the government makes sure that there’s a safety net for people – that’s where I wish we were going in the United States.

    So, he endorses the Obamacare MODEL, just not what's going on in the United States... where we have Obamacare.

    Clear as mud... you just make this stuff up as you go.

  • ||

    What is that smell?

    It smells like some crazy lunatic drenched in his own urine entered the room.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    You say that every time you appear. A pre-announcement thing.

  • C. Anacreon||

    Cool. You just said the equivalent of "I know you are but what am I?"
    Awesome elementary school sparring! No tag-backs, by the way.

  • ||

    "Whole Foods CEO Rethinks Decision To Compare Obamacare to "Fascism" != "Whole Foods CEO recants and now supports Obamacare model".

    Here's another quote from the same article:

    Mackey clearly is still not a fan of the new health care, but he said that he's still in search of a new way to describe it, likely one that doesn't come with so much historical baggage.

    This seems to contradict your tag line.

    Don't worry. Literacy isn't everyone's strong suit.

  • flye||

    The real problem is the cups -- no civilian needs these military-style, high-capacity coffee cups. Energy drinks and coffee should be served in miniature 4 oz. containers, tops.

  • Too_Big_to_Fail||

    You try sitting through language school and tell me you don't need the military grade BFC.

  • flye||

    Preaching to the choir. In the morning I use a 20 oz. beer stein for my coffee.

  • Ted S.||

    The only problem with such a large container is if you accidentally spill it.

  • Gene||

    Exhibit #1 my 2007 Focus. Cloth seats....never again.

  • Ted S.||

    I remember the first time I was in a hotel room that had a complimentary coffee maker, back in the early 1990s. The coffee maker was gradated in 5-oz. cups.

    I nearly called down to the front desk to ask them who the hell drinks a 5-oz. cup of coffee.

  • Spoonman.||

    "These weapons are dangerous! But they wouldn't help you defend yourself anyways!"

  • General Butt Naked||

    You notice that too?

  • The Late P Brooks||

    "Nobody I know drinks this stuff. I cannot understand why we even allow it to be sold!"

  • wareagle||

    so basically, NY has said its residents are too stupid to NOT drink more than one of these at a time. I love coffee; but I'm not drinking a gallon a day, though if I did, wouldn't be the state's business.

  • Almanian.||

    COFFEE IS DIFFERENT!! THESE ENERGY DRINKS ARE EVUL! CAUSE....BUSH!

  • JW||

  • John Thacker||

    It's different because low class people and kids drink them. Just like how cigarettes are worse than cigars.

  • JW||

    How about Fair Trade™ energy drinks? Are they OK?

  • ||

    I'd guess yes. Just look at the can! It's organic!

  • Rich||

    The drug warriors could probably ban "Enlighten Mint" just because of the name.

  • mr simple||

    Ooh, those tribal designs help me know I'm participating in fair trade like a true citizen of the world.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    But do you have it on your tshirt?

  • Coeus||

    That's how the energy drink gets it's power. From its tatoo tatau.

  • ||

    ""I mean who the hell needs armor-piercing energy drinks except you guys in battle?"

  • General Butt Naked||

    Did you guys see the anonymous gun control video?

  • ||

    I can't watch it. Can you summarize?

  • General Butt Naked||

    Basically, don't fuck with our guns, then a bunch of Balkoesque news coverage, self-defense stories, and murders using knives.

    A dash of conspiracy theory (Obama wants to establish police state, etc), and there you have it.

  • ||

    Well, good for them. We need more of that.

  • Coeus||

    A dash of conspiracy theory (Obama wants to establish police state, etc)

    How is that a conspiracy theory? We've been making great strides towards it lately.

  • General Butt Naked||

    I thought that as I typed it, but I typed anyways as I didn't want to scare Episiarch. He startles easily.

  • ||

    (startled)

  • ||

    "A dash of conspiracy theory (Obama wants to establish police state, etc),"

    Lately I have been inundated with conspiracy theory junk. Normally I am highly skeptical about everything and usually brush that stuff off.

    However, if you consider some of the things these shitheads have actually done, like fast and furious, the black panther non-prosecutions, etc. etc. then it seems that nothing is over the top for them.

    Maybe Sandy Hook was staged? I dunno, I could see them trying that.

    Or how about this shit; http://www.eutimes.net/2013/01.....ears-rise/

    I dont even know what to say about that. Normally I would laugh it off, but with this bunch who knows?

  • General Butt Naked||

    The sad part is that if this administration was actually doing this shit, 35% of the population would actively support him, 45% wouldn't give a shit, and the rest of us would be fucked.

  • Hugh Akston||

  • ||

    As tempting as it might be to believe in some conspiracy theories, you need to look at the incredible incompetence of these people in just about everything we're allowed to see them doing. They can pull off some elaborate staged shooting but can't even manage Benghazi?

    Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. A crazy person shot a bunch of kids, and they are (incompetently) trying to capitalize on that. That's it.

  • ||

    I have considered that as it is an argument I make often.

    I am waiting to see. If the cracked pot theories about Sandy Hook being staged are true, someone will break ranks and tell. I am not holding my breath.

  • Coeus||

    As tempting as it might be to believe in some conspiracy theories,

    The flouride in the tap water one turned out to be true. I don't know what to believe anymore.

    If contrails end up being a thing, I'm just gonna give up.

  • Cytotoxic||

    The flouride in the tap water one turned out to be true.

    Huh?

  • Coeus||

    Huh?

    It was never put in the water for health, it was a gimme to the aluminum industry so they wouldn't have to dispose of so much waste. And it was known to be harmful. The first is easily verified, (look up who first stated advocating it) and now there's more data to back up the harmful part, as well.

    Turns out LaLeche was right (ya know, those chicks who are always gathering to whip out their tities?), but not for the reasons they thought.

  • Cytotoxic||

    That is nonsense. That study does not confirm the correlation as causation. Flouride is pretty good for teeth although I would think brushing would obviate the benefits.

  • Coeus||

    That study does not confirm the correlation as causation.

    No it does not. But they do have a credible argument.

    Choi's team writes, "Fluoride readily crosses the placenta. Fluoride exposure to the developing brain, which is much more susceptible to injury caused by toxicants than is the mature brain, may possibly lead to damage of a permanent nature."

    What kind of information would you require as confirmation? Do you believe in fetal alcohol syndrome?

  • flye||

    Paraphrasing from memory, but I'd seen it stated that even the Watergate conspiracy broke down after the fourth person found out. And that was small time.

  • Death Rock and Skull||

    Too much fluoride is terrible for your teeth, although the degree of its affects depends on genetics. Brushing your teeth already provides more than enough fluoride. Basically, deliberate adding of fluoride to municipal water is a nuisance and a waste of money. It is pure paternalism and a misguided effort of it at that.

  • ||

    A waste of time. All of the pro-second amendment arguments are solid and the anti-gun bunch gets their ass handed to them in every debate, but they dont care. None of the things being openly discussed are of any concern to the anti-gun crowd.

    They have a single goal; disarm the american people and put their fucking boot on our necks. It is as simple as that.

    If homeland security really did buy 1.4 billion bullets this year I think the low information crowd will soon find out why gun control is a bad idea.

  • General Butt Naked||

    I just thought it was surprising how pro-2nd anonymous is.

    They're putting a lot of Fudds to shame.

  • ||

    Same here. I was a bit puzzled by that. I am not even sure what they stand for.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Since there is no central leadership, they could theoretically come out with a video saying the opposite tomorrow.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Anonymous are anarchists. They don't like governments or businesses that conspire with them, though I tend to think that they're communo-anarchists as opposed to an-caps.

  • Coeus||

    I just thought it was surprising how pro-2nd anonymous is.

    It's because they have the some opinion of cops that we do. And knowing what we know, who the fuck would want to be defenseless? Without an armed populace, what little restraint that is being used will dry up in a heartbeat.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    The NYT, bastion of logic and rationality, strikes again.

  • Coeus||

    n 2010 there were 687,574 visits related to alcohol, 408,021 related to benzodiazepines (such as Valium)

    Love me some Benzos. Or as I used to call them in college, fuckitalls.

  • Sevo||

    I should get out more:
    Just got an email stating the kids in the school were killed by pistols; the AR was found in the vehicle and hadn't been used.
    True?

  • Coeus||

    Reports have been back and forth about that. I believe it's still unclear.

  • ||

    I am beginning to think everything we have heard so far about that incident is bullshit.

  • Hugh Akston||

    Come on you guys, why would they lie about it? What would they have to gain?

  • ||

    Read my link above....another massacre to happen soon. We will see......

  • AlmightyJB||

    Regarding that link. That's like a scary Onion story.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Several years ago Obama told some people from the Brady campaign that he had some gun control projects working under the radar and that they should be patient.

    Everyone thought that it was typical politician bs. Then fast and furious broke, before the media frenzy reached a crescendo, and now Sandy Hook and this hysteria.

  • ||

    I'm still trying to figure out what the Reptillians stand to gain from this farce.

  • ||

    What??
    Total power and enslaving our women for sex and egg hatching....of course. It is revenge for the rise of the mammals, trying to reclaim their rightful....oh shit never mind.

  • mr lizard||

    Oh please. You guys usually taste like guilt, bitterness, and sarcasm. Not enough hot sauce in the universe to make it worth world domination.

  • SIV||

    False as best I can tell. That was reported by NBC early citing "un-named federal officials". The feds weren't on the scene.Later reports citted the police chief by name and direct quoted that the AR was the primary weapon. A shotgun was in the car.

  • Sevo||

    SIV| 1.17.13 @ 7:43PM |#
    "False as best I can tell. That was reported by NBC early citing "un-named federal officials". The feds weren't on the scene.Later reports citted the police chief by name and direct quoted that the AR was the primary weapon. A shotgun was in the car."

    SIV, check link to MSNBC below; they are stating there WAS NO AR involved in the shootings.
    Got a link otherwise, I'll be happy to see it.

  • AlmightyJB||

    "Just got an email stating the kids in the school were killed by pistols; the AR was found in the vehicle and hadn't been used."

    That is what they were reporting day one and much of day 2. First they said he used the AR along with a glock and a sig, than later they had "confirmed" the the rifle had been left in the car. At some point the story changed. I would have to assume there would have been mutiple people who saw all of the casings.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Just got an email stating the kids in the school were killed by pistols; the AR was found in the vehicle and hadn't been used.

    Disclaimer: I have intentionally avoided reading coverage of this story, BUT...

    It really does seem as if the most basic facts (aside from the frenetic exploitation of the dead children) have yet to be revealed.

    This makes me suspicious.

  • ||

    Yes, compare the info clusterfuck here compared to the other mass shootings in recent history. It does make one wonder.

  • ||

    Bart: So finally, we're all in agreement about what's going on with
    the adults. Milhouse?
    Milhouse: [steps up to blackboard] Ahem. OK, here's what we've got: the
    Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people --
    Bart: Thank you.
    Milhouse: -- under the supervision of the reverse vampires --
    Lisa: [sighs]
    Milhouse: -- are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish
    plot to eliminate the meal of dinner. [sotto voce] We're
    through the looking glass, here, people...

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    Racist?

  • Sevo||

    OK, does anyone here "trust" MSNBC? I mean, other than to slant the reporting as badly as Fox does?
    But, according to *that* source, the AR had nothing to do with the shootings. Obozo has been thrashing about at a straw man; there WAS NO AR involved in the shootings:
    http://video.today.msnbc.msn.c.....5#50208495

  • ||

    I just watched the medical examiner state unequivocally after examining the bodies that all of the wounds the victims sustained were made by rifle bullets, and that he knows more about ballistic wounds than the average medical examiner.

    As I was hearing him say that I was wondering how Lanza could be buzzed into the school carrying a rifle and thought his claim to know more is true if more is jack shit.

    I know bullet wounds and 223 wounds are very different than any auto pistol wounds.

  • Sevo||

    Won't help the kids or their families one bit, but the thought of Obama championing an admitted dead-end is just too enjoyable to pass up just yet.
    You go get 'em, Obozo! Here's you're Polish compass!

  • mad libertarian guy||

    That video is also from the day of the shooting where everything was being tossed around as a fact.

    I wouldn't doubt a coverup in order to vilify those eeeeeeeeeeeeevul "assault rifles." But at the same time, even a politician as daft as Obama is would have to know that if the cat were to get out of the bag on this, there would be no recovery and his entire second term would be shot to hell.

  • Sevo||

    A real careful look say's you're right; aired 12/15/12.
    I been snookered.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    even a politician as daft as Obama is would have to know that if the cat were to get out of the bag on this

    Obama's gotten a free pass on lying his ass off for his entire life. So I doubt that getting caught in a lie even crosses his mind at this point.

  • AlmightyJB||

    So is there a process that could be used to kick New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles as well as Washington DC out of the country and block immigration out of those places?

  • General Butt Naked||

    I guess Chris Chirstie didn't get enough Obama spooge after sandy, and is digging in for more. Nose up, asshole.

    What are the odds he'll be the next big government, anti-2nd republican nominee?

  • mad libertarian guy||

    My response to Leon Panetta's bewilderment as to why people "have to have assault rifles."

  • Sevo||

    No harm done, but you're wasting ammo. Panetta is a career-long sucker at the public trough.
    The suggestion that individuals might have reasons that the TOP MEN don't understand is as foreign to him as breathing water.
    Assuming he considers it at all, I can picture him staring off in the distance and then just shaking his head. Uh, what?

  • mad libertarian guy||

    I know that.

    And I know that it wasn't directed at Panetta too.

  • An0nB0t||

    Bookmarked.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Let's not forget; that cunt Christie was a prosecutor. He's better than you, and so are his kids.

    He didn't exactly go out of his way to help the guy (name?) who got busted with his guns in the trunk of his car.

  • General Butt Naked||

    I'm telling you P, this guy is going to become a media darling because of his (HIDE YOUR WALLETS!) bipartisanship.

    Ten clams says that as '16 approaches, he starts looking a little slimmer, makes a bunch of media appearances, and starts to take on the Romneyesque air of inevitability.

    It'll be him vs Hilary or Biden and The American Experiment will officially be over.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    “Bad people will do bad things no matter how hard we try to stop it,” said Christie, a former federal prosecutor. “This is not a time to grandstand and it’s not a time for politics.”

    Not for politics he doesn't agree with, anyway.

  • Killazontherun||

    First snow of the year outside.

    This is a damn good sipper.

    Dragonmead Sin Eater Belgian Dark

    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2085/60761

  • An0nB0t||

    I can't get over how profoundly wrong it is that shitty states end up with most of the good breweries. But then again, anyone unfortunate enough to live in Michigan probably needs 11% abv Belgians just to get through the day.

    Currently bottling a winter warmer that my lazy self made from a kit with some vanilla and table sugar to help it along. After smelling this stuff for the past two hours, I may just have to start dumping cardamom into all of my homebrews from now on.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Did you guys know that you can fire 1500 rounds in 7 minutes from your aykay glock mega capacity assault auto pistol?

    Say community or grieve one more time and I'm going to puke all over your nice pantsuit, lady.

  • ||

    Terri Francis is an associate professor in the Department of African American Studies and the Film Studies Program at Yale University

    Subtext: she's never had a real job in her life and gets paid to bullshit.

  • ||

    I don't know why you read this shit, man. It's just going to piss you off. Just think of what this idiot's day will be like when none of Obama's proposals make it anywhere, the day she knows that her and her ilk blew their wad again over this, and died on the same hill again. Their tears will be so yummy and sweet.

    Instead of reading this crap, do something useful like watching TV or playing Borderlands. Like I'm going to do after I exercise.

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    Yeah don't read CNN

    get a tattoo instead

  • SweatingGin||

    The zit just above the tattoo really makes it.

  • Killazontherun||

  • An0nB0t||

    This is why we need better advertising and propaganda to bring diverse groups of people down to the range. RKBA outreach programs are pretty poor, particularly in proggy strongholds.

    The NRA and GOA should play a role in organizing efforts to educate the public about the joys of firearm ownership--maybe get a bunch of volunteers together and hand out flyers all inviting newbies to organized events where non-bubbas will hold their hands and patiently explain the basics.

    Or maybe hold public lectures explaining the historical importance of firearms to the development of the modern republic. Like a wine tour, but for guns.

  • General Butt Naked||

    There's a lot more "normal" people into guns now, then when I was a kid (not that long ago, 90s).

    When me and my dad went to the range, gun store/shows, etc back then it was pretty much just hunters and crazy camo wearing survivalists. You go to the range now, and it's all middle class, suburban families; dad's got an AR and the kids are plinking with .22s. I think this upsurge on popularity of the shooting sports has led to the liberalization of gun laws over the past decade. So you're right, and I advise gun people that the best way to get someone to be pro-2nd is to take them to the range.

    But, some people, like the author of the article linked above have no interest in knowing about, much less handling/shooting, firearms.

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    Accordin to my internets this evening, this Lance Armstrong interview isn't winning anyone over

  • Death Rock and Skull||

    Whether he meant to or not, I think Armstrong has pulled one of the best pranks recently. I hope he makes even more money from appearances, books, documentaries, and shit like that.

  • AlmightyJB||

    But who's going to arrest them?

    http://hotair.com/archives/201.....magazines/

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    John Kerry's expected cakewalk to the U.S. State Department has delighted American environmentalists due to his stance on climate change, but the longtime senator owns stock in two Canadian oil companies that have pushed for approval of TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline.

    Federal financial disclosure records show Kerry has investments of as much as US$750,000 in Suncor, a Calgary-based energy company whose CEO has urged the U.S. to greenlight TransCanada's controversial project.
  • JeremyR||

    He's so rich though he probably has investments everywhere.

    It's hilarious how Obama made hating rich guys a key plank of his re-election campaign, and Kerry, one of the richest of them all, is the Secretary of State.

    And brazen. They know they don't even have to keep the charade up.

  • Killazontherun||

    Tom Franks thinks there is something wrong with you if you don' vote Democrat because of class interest and shit. How does that dumb bitch prevent flies from walking across his eyeballs?

  • waaminn||

    I dunno man, I dont think they are safe at all!

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  • MoreFreedom||

    Barry Meier's daily dilemma:

    Shall I stir up concerns about energy drink safety?
    or
    Shall I discuss the stupidity of citizens who drink this stuff?
    or
    Shall I disparage the big business of selling caffeine drinks?
    or
    Shall I expose the false claims of the anti-energy drink lobby? Wait I can't do that, I'm part of it. Then he takes a Freudian slip.

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