Ronald Bailey | September 9, 2009
Every month University of Alabama at Huntsville climatologists John Christy and Roy Spencer report the latest global temperature trends from satellite data. Below are the newest data updated through August, 2009.
YR MON GLOBE
NH SH
TROPICS
2009 1 +0.304
+0.443 +0.165 -0.036
2009 2 +0.347 +0.678 +0.016 +0.05
2009 3 +0.206 +0.310 +0.103 -0.149
2009 4 +0.090 +0.124 +0.056 -0.014
2009 5 +0.045 +0.046 +0.044 -0.166
2009 6 +0.003 +0.031 -0.025 -0.003
2009 7 +0.412 +0.212 +0.610 +0.427
2009 8 +0.231 +0.284 +0.179 +0.455
Roy Spencer reports:
August 2009 saw a modest fall in the global average tropospheric temperature anomaly, from +0.41 deg. C in July to +0.23 deg. C in August. The tropical and Northern Hemispheric troposphere remain quite warm, but the Southern Hemisphere cooled by over 0.4 deg. C in the last month.
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Error bars, man! Error bars!
I can see not putting them in the graph you post too the blog: too
confusing for the hoi polloi, but throw us a link of something,
`K?
Wow, way to analyze the data wrong. A 30 year snapshot won't show the overall warming trend. I thought this was well understood by now.
A 30 yr snapshot might not show a warming trend but in this case
it really should since the start point was one of the coldest
periods and the end point is supposed to be one of the highest.
Plus the CO2 change from 1979 to 2009 has been very large. If CO2
is a driver of global heat shouldn't we expect to see the
warming??
The short answer is we don't.
Oh look. Roy has stopped fitting a fourth degree polynomial to the data. I wonder why?
http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2006/01/one-hundred-years-is-not-enough.php
http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php
Er, Tom.
Did you notice what is represented there?
It's satellite data. Which means that you had to have satellites
taking measurements to get a point for the time series.
Combining indicators to show a longer series brings in a host of
other possible things to argue about.
Can someone show me a 20 year running average instead? Preferably on 50-100 years of data. That would show the real trend if there is any. Glancing at the data, I see what looks like about a .15-.20C rise in average temp over the last 30 years. That means the world will be around 1F warmer in the year 2100. Folks, we can't wait any longer and run the risk of a Minnesota winter becomming tolerable.
Glancing at the data, I see what looks like about a .15-.20C
rise in average temp over the last 30 years. That means the world
will be around 1F warmer in the year 2100.
Run for the hills!
EscapedWestOfTHeBigMuddy, yeah sorry, I wasn't very clear. I
understand that this is satellite data and that the data itself
wont go back far enough to show the overall warming trend. While
typing my first post, I was mostly responding to TomCat1066's post,
though I didn't make that clear and should have.
Regardless, though I do find any data interesting, what's the point
of posting this small satellite sample that can very easily be
misinterpreted by climate change denialists because it really isn't
enough data to make an accurate judgment?
"Regardless, though I do find any data interesting, what's the
point of posting this small satellite sample that can very easily
be misinterpreted by climate change denialists because it really
isn't enough data to make an accurate judgment?"
The satellite data is more accurate than the land based data
because the land based data doesn't correct sufficiently for the
urban heat island effect and for the fact that there is less data
coming from the former Soviet Union which previously influenced
lower average temperature. The IPCC has chosen to cherry pick the
data by using land based data because it shows a greater
temperature increase over time than does the satellite data.
EscapedWestOfTHeBigMuddy, yeah sorry, I wasn't very clear. I
understand that this is satellite data and that the data itself
wont go back far enough to show the overall warming trend. While
typing my first post, I was mostly responding to TomCat1066's post,
though I didn't make that clear and should have.
My post was pure sarcasm and nothing else. If you want to respond
seriously, go right ahead. I'll feel free to laugh at you
repeatedly for it.
"Wow, way to analyze the data wrong. A 30 year snapshot won't
show the overall warming trend. I thought this was well understood
by now."
There has been a warming trend ever since the end of the Little Ice
Age, long before man's output of CO2. Within that overall warming
trend, there have been approximately 30 year cycles of cooling and
heating caused by Pacific Decadal Oscillation which isn't included
in the models which the IPCC uses which causes the models to
overstate future temperatures.
Tom,
I'm afraid this is as much data as you are like to see around here.
Bailey likes the satellite data, and it has played a big part in
the local discussions of global warming, its effects, and the
"right" policy.
This is certainly the best single data set, being fairly directly
measured, and global in scope. For longer baseline data you rely on
direct measurements at weather stations (with uneven coverage which
gets worse as you peer back in time), or various secondary
indicators. I'm not current on the literature, but a few years ago
there was no settled method (or even a few strong contenders) for
selecting, normalizing and weighting the indirect measures. Is that
sorted out yet?
I'd personally like to see constant, linear, and quadratic fits
with reduced chi squares reported. With the noise it is hard to see
by Mk. I eyeball how significant the warming represented here
is.
Regardless, though I do find any data interesting, what's
the point of posting this small satellite sample that can very
easily be misinterpreted by climate change denialists because it
really isn't enough data to make an accurate judgment?
Why is it only subject to misinterpretation by "denialists"? Are
true believers incapable of seizing on data that supports their
position and overstating it?
Bookworm, satellite data may very well be more accurate in
general that land data. But that's not really the point. You have
to look at multiple forms of data across a wide spectrum of study.
That's how science gets us closer to the truth. You can't just pick
and choose one tiny data sample, even if it is accurate, when there
are many more samples to look at.
http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2006/02/temperature-record-reliability-attack.php
I'm not saying the chart above is inaccurate. What I am saying is
that it's just one tiny piece of data that really doesn't show much
of anything with regards to the overall evidence for climate change
and to think that it does creates a false interpretation of the
facts and leads to misinformation and confusion.
"Why is it only subject to misinterpretation by "denialists"?
Are true believers incapable of seizing on data that supports their
position and overstating it?"
It's not of course, it goes both ways. My thought was, upon seeing
this small data set, I was thinking that it could easily be used by
those that outright oppose the whole climate change idea in
general.
"Why is it only subject to misinterpretation by "denialists"?
Are true believers incapable of seizing on data that supports their
position and overstating it?"
Yeah like when the IPCC jumped on Michael Mann's hockey stick
graph. Problem was that in order to show stable temperatures
throughout history until the most recent global warming which took
place after 1970, Michael Mann cherry picked tree ring data from
bristlecone pines because it gave him the data he needed while
ignoring data from other tree rings, stalagmites, ice cores and
earth cores which showed global warming during the middle ages and
showed global cooling during the little ice age. Al Gore also used
this discredited graph in his documentary. The IPCC is not engaging
in science, they are engaging in politics.
Tom & Tim: Are the other data sets showing a global
temperature trend that is significantly different from the
satellite data? I would be happy to link to them as well if they
are providing additional information.
As for showing the longer time series of warming since the mid-19th
century, I am not sure what additional information would be gleaned
about the direction of man-made global warming since the IPCC's 4AR
states that most of the warming prior to 1950 was the result of
natural forcings.
Ah, cooling last month. We're living on the edge here man. After all, if it gets too hot they pass capntrade, and then we're toast.
Interesting bump in tropics temperatures in the last two months. I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that it's the result of the lack of hurricane activity in the Atlantic.
Spartacus,
What lack of hurricanes?
Global climate change is going to lead to increases in number and
strength of hurricanes, not lessen them.
There were MORE hurricanes this year dammit!
robc,
I have no idea if you're being sarcastic or simply ignorant, I'm
going to operate on the latter and point out that Spartacus was
talking about tropical systems being a heat transport mechanism for
the global climate. Oceanic heat content will tend to increase the
intensity as well as increase the areas in which tropical systems
can form. Of note, SSTs in the Atlantic continue to run about .5 to
1.0 degrees Centigrade above the mean in most areas.
In fact, the main inhibiting factor in storms this year has been
strong wind shear.
I'm going to operate on the latter
Wow. Nice assumption asshole.
There were MORE hurricanes this year dammit!
I thought this was a dead giveaway. Instead of assuming your
sarcasm detector is broken, Im going to assume you are a fucking
moran.
Look folks, based on the comments on this site the consensus is
that AGW is a hoax or a mistake. You must make your political
representatives aware of your opinions on this issue, otherwise
they will vote in favour of Cap&Trade.
In December there will be the great Copenhagen climate
negotiations. Part of those Copenhagen negotiations is the
inclusion of international limits on population (promoted mainly by
nations which like to suppress their women). Let's ensure that
Copenhagen is a flop and that all of the delegates go home like
good greenies should; they take only pictures and leave only
footprints.
I'll say it again:
If you don't like the scientific evidence, you can just look at
what people and governments are doing. Russia is suing to establish
the limits of its continental shelf so as to have access to oil
lying beneath the Arctic Ocean. The United States is planning to
open a new Coast Guard base on the northern coast of Alaska to
facilitate more patrols in case any of the increasing numbers of
fishing vessels and cruise ships get into trouble. (USCG) Royal
Dutch Shell is preparing to do exploratory drilling off the
northern coast of Alaska. Alaskan coastal villages, once protected
by ice shelves, are collapsing into the sea from tides that have
never touched the land before. (geology.com) Canadian botanists and
biologists are seeing southern species of plants and animals in the
north that have never been seen before. Greenland's citizens are
planting potatoes, carrots, and broccoli for the first time and
grazing more sheep than they ever have in the past, as well as
selling leases to oil companies eager to drill on the warming
subcontinent. (The Independent)
All of these groups don't believe global warming is a hoax.
Ten years does not a trend make but the deniers will use it when
they can, if they think it proves their point.
But I keep hearing from them that the earth has been cooling for
the past ten years. May I direct everyone's attention to the line
graph please (the one with the squiggly lines for those of you who
can't figure it out).
The red line (average temperature) is above the "0" axis for those
ten years. Can someone demonstrate to me how that shows
cooling?
Perhaps if you are a denier and you cannot spell "moron", then it's
possible that you missed the math classes when graphs were covered
as well.
Jerry:
10,000 years does not a trend make. CO2 levels were 20x higher in
the Cambrian Era than they are today.
Hence the great levels of coal laid down. Burning this stuff is a sin against humanity as it contains so much more than just, as any chemical engineer will tell you.
"10,000 years does not a trend make" (yes the denier argument gets more surreal by the day) but apparently ten years does to many deniers when their one-sided argument suits them. And some even go as far as to use a two year trend on arctic ice extent, despite the last three years being the lowest in the thirty years at the lea We can't be 100% sure it is CO2 causing global warming but we can definitely rule out the sun, which has been very quiet for the last two years and its output has been in decline since the 1940s.
The Pinatubo effect lasted longer than the three and a bit years
signalled here; our weather in the UK still hasn’t recovered from
Mount St. Helens!
All the 'picture' from the first indications of the effect is a
consequence of el Niño, just look at the non-existent 4th year
effects in 2001 and 2005.
I agree with others that the years covered in this graph to be
far too few to allow any effect to be blamed on carbon dioxide. I
am of the opinion that we are too puny relative to this great
machine that we live on to cause any radical change as is
suggested here; now, if we could throw down a few anchors and
stop the subduction of oceanic tectonic plates, we might get
somewhere.
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