Brian Doherty | August 24, 2009
Britain's security camera system not such an efficient crime-buster, the BBC reports:
Only one crime was solved by each 1,000 CCTV cameras in London last year, a report into the city's surveillance network has claimed.....David Davis MP, the former shadow home secretary, said: "It should provoke a long overdue rethink on where the crime prevention budget is being spent."
He added: "CCTV leads to massive expense and minimum effectiveness.
"It creates a huge intrusion on privacy, yet provides little or no improvement in security...."
Nationwide, the government has spent £500m on CCTV cameras.
And I guess the capstone excuse:A spokesman for the Met said: "We estimate more than 70% of murder investigations have been solved with the help of CCTV retrievals and most serious crime investigations have a CCTV investigation strategy."
A Home Office spokeswoman said CCTVs "help communities feel safer".
Jacob Sullum on Britain's surveillance state, from Reason magazine's August/September issue.
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What about crime rates? It would seem that cameras would be a major deterrence to would-be criminals.
Some data on recent London crime rates here, which give some
small weight to the notion of deterrent effect, even if not solving
of crimes that do happen:
http://www.thelondondailynews.com/lowest-london-crime-rates-decade-business-crime-soars-p-2723.html
The article appeared in April 2009.
samples:
There was an 11% jump in shop lifting and other business-related
crime in London - this was against a backdrop of an overall drop in
crime, according to police figures.
The number of assaults and gun and knife has fallen to its lowest
level in 10 years.
Rape has increased by 276 offences - up 14.5% - compared to last
year, but the Met said it was important to note that it was at its
second lowest level in the last 10 years.
The number of Londoners who became victims of crime dropped 2.2% to
862,866 from April 2007 to March 2008.
The decrease shows falls in assault, gun and knife crime.
Police figures show there were 11,653 business-related crimes from
April 2008 to March 2009, up 10.9%.
You know what would make me really like Surveillance Cameras? If ANYONE could access and view them at any time. Not just law enforcement or security dildos.
I'm no fan of surveillance cameras, but how can you not even mention deterrent effects? That's a poor effort, Brian.
I have trouble working up much horror at these cameras, aside
from gut-level reactions likely caused by ominous
literature/movies.
I don't know that cameras in public places give the gov't
significantly more power than the ability to test for fingerprints
or DNA gives them. They can't pore over every detail on video any
more than they can collect *all* fingerprints or *all* the bits of
DNA you shed.
Cameras in public are not necessary for a totalitarian government
to function (see *all* totalitarian governments), and they're
likely so easy to vandalise that I doubt they'd be very useful for
gov't gone wild.
Cameras are only bad insofar as they're another tool for govts to
enforce bad laws; I don't know that they're powerful enough tools
that we should strenuously object to them. Shouldn't we be more
concerned with overturning unjust laws (e.g., on drugs, sex, words)
than with freaking out that the police might get one extra
(mediocre) tool to fight crime/"crime"?
This is completely off topic, but some of you may remember the
cop in Wilmington, NC who accidentally shot a man through a door
when h mistook another officer's battering on the door with a
battering ram as shots fired from inside.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6163060.html
He may be lethally irresponsible (I don't know the full facts in
the case), but he apparently still likes to do good deeds.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1658633.html
I hate CCTV because I'm vain and for all other reasons, But
these numbers actually make sense if you think of CCTV the way the
cops think of it: as another resource for investigating
crimes.
Presumably there's a cost involved in reviewing hours of CCTV
footage from different cameras. The cops have to decide when to pay
that cost.
Many, probably a majority, of crimes don't get investigated at all.
They're bike thefts and pickpocketings and cutpursings and such,
committed by colorful street urchins who flee through fish markets
and across rooftops, pursued by wheezing bobbies and men in bowlers
shaking their umbrellas and shouting "Stop! Thief!" The cops choose
not to devote resources to trying to solve them.
Once in a while (once per every thousand CCTV cameras), a crime
occurs that is worth investigating and has some relevant
CCTV footage.
Since murder is a crime to which (I hope) the cops devote the
greatest amount of all resources, CCTV is among them. So 70 percent
of solved murders involve CCTV.
If they announced that only one in every thousand phone calls made
by the police leads to a solved crime, you might say "Wow, the cops
have to follow up a lot of bum leads." But in and of itself it
wouldn't be a case against letting the cops have phones.
'...bike thefts and pickpocketings and cutpursings and such,
committed by colorful street urchins who flee through fish markets
and across rooftops, pursued by wheezing bobbies and men in bowlers
shaking their umbrellas and shouting "Stop! Thief!"'
Thank you Mr. Cavanaugh for the rich imagery of 'Oliver Twist".
Pining for the "simpler Times"? :-)
I don't know that cameras in public places give the gov't
significantly more power than the ability to test for fingerprints
or DNA gives them. They can't pore over every detail on video any
more than they can collect *all* fingerprints or *all* the bits of
DNA you shed.
Give it time.
One nice touch in District 9 was that the surveillance footage was mostly useless.
CCTV is useless unless you know CPR
Woman: YOU SAVED HER! Where did you learn CPR?
Quagmire: What's CPR?
Giggity Goo!
"It creates a huge intrusion on privacy"
How so? Are they in people's homes as well?
How can one expect "privacy" while walking down a public
street?
Maybe more crimes would be solved if they took all the CCTV
footage, sped it up and played "Yakety Sax"* over it.
Well, maybe more crimes wouldn't be solved, but it would be
hilarious.
* "the Benny Hill theme"
How can one expect "privacy" while walking down a public
street?
Of course you can. For example, facts like where are you going and
whom do you meet are no one's business but yours.
With a network of CCTV cameras, it is much easier to follow you
around, than, say, with a crew of professional "tails".
You know what would make me really like Surveillance
Cameras? If ANYONE could access and view them at any
time.
I think you can, with the proper Freedom of Information Request
form, or whatever the Limey equivalent is. There was a band a
couple years ago that recorded their first music video entirely on
London's security cameras.
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How can one expect "privacy" while walking down a public
street?
Are you OK with me following you and recording your actions? A
lotta guys might consider that stalking/harrassment.
Are you OK with me following you and recording your actions? A lotta guys might consider that stalking/harrassment.
Cameras are a passive form of surveillance, and are thus much less
intrusive.
Cameras are a passive form of surveillance, and are thus
much less intrusive.
Oh, I don't know about that. The cameras are always in your face,
and controllable -- or so the Watchers would have you believe.
"""Some data on recent London crime rates here, which give some
small weight to the notion of deterrent effect, even if not solving
of crimes that do happen:"""
Does it? Just because there is a reduction doesn't mean the cameras
are the reason.
"""How can one expect "privacy" while walking down a public
street?"""
Ask Obama, he's making the claim that reporters should respect his
family's privacy while they are running around on public street
during their vacation.
Cameras are a passive form of surveillance, and are thus
much less intrusive.
And besides, if you're not doing anything wrong, why should you
care?
That's just evidence that less crimes occur *because* the cameras are there. (/sarcasm)
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I agree, now a days every home and apartment should be equipped with a monitored surveillance camera.
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