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"In a world where dark wizards are kidnapping or killing people on a regular basis, a little under-age drinking is the least of their problems."
The
New York Times' Tara Parker-Pope has a very
silly article fretting about a few scenes in the new Harry
Potter movie where "the young wizards and their adult professors
are seen sipping, gulping and pouring various forms of alcohol to
calm their nerves, fortify their courage or comfort their sorrows."
The horrors! But wait, it gets worse:
In one scene, Harry, Ron and Hermione order butterbeers at the pub, and Hermione ends up with a frothy mustache. While it's never been entirely clear whether butterbeer is alcoholic, it seems to have an effect on the normally uptight Hermione, who acts tipsy walking home as she throws her arms around the boys.
As the mother of a 10-year-old Harry Potter fan, I was taken aback by the reaction of the young people in the theater. They snickered at Hermione's goofy grin and, later, guffawed when an inebriated Hagrid passed out. While I don't think my daughter fully understood what was going on, I wondered how other parents, educators and addiction experts would react.
Goodness gracious, what vile evils will our children face next? Let's just hope Parker-Pope's 10-year-old doesn't get wind of President Obama boozing it up at the White House with Sgt. Crowley and Professor Gates.
Reason on liquid courage here.
Dumbassdore|7.28.09 @ 11:26AM|#
I'm surprised Krugman hasn't blamed Voldelmort's killing on the wizarding world's gold standard.
|7.28.09 @ 11:29AM|#
I think the real question is, does Harry take performance-enhancing drugs to improve his Quiddich game?
T|7.28.09 @ 11:30AM|#
Not being up on all aspects of English culture, don't the Brits
allow their yutes to drink earlier than ours? Somebody might want
to untwist her panties and remember the rest of the world doesn't
share America's puritanical obsession about drinking.
Or she could, I dunno, remember it's fiction. Whichever seems
easiest.
EJM|7.28.09 @ 11:33AM|#
In one scene, Harry, Ron and Hermione order butterbeers at
the pub, and Hermione ends up with a frothy mustache.
Did they order ButterBurgers® to go
with their butterbeers?
randy|7.28.09 @ 11:34AM|#
isn't Hogwarts a private school?
isn't the Order of the Phoenix a militia? .. and Dumbledore's army
an anti-govt youth gang?
isn't Gringotts basically UBS?
Kang|7.28.09 @ 11:34AM|#
I don't mean to legitimize the moronic premise of Parker-Pope's story by focusing on her claims about the movie plot, but my impression was that Hermione got a bit tipsy because Prof. Slughorn had spilled a bunch of his drink into her glass, not from the effects of the butterbeer.
|7.28.09 @ 11:35AM|#
"In one scene, Harry, Ron and Hermione order butterbeers at the
pub, and Hermione ends up with a frothy mustache."
Why is the word beerkake suddenly in my mind?
randy|7.28.09 @ 11:37AM|#
Harry Potter series has to be some of the most libertarian literature that has actually managed to reach a wide audience... the ministry of Magic basically alternates between bumbling incompetence and criminal overreaction... one of the most important lessosn of the books is that the End does not justify the Means... and rebellion against authority is constantly there..
Abdul|7.28.09 @ 11:40AM|#
Butterbeers, that's nothing. In G-Force, the guinea pigs eat meth so they can stay up all night kicking ass.
|7.28.09 @ 11:40AM|#
"Hermione got a bit tipsy because Prof. Slughorn had spilled
a bunch of his drink into her glass, not from the effects of the
butterbeer."
Hey, now. Don't let facts get in the way of a parent proclaiming
how morally they are raising their child, and how upset she is that
other people aren't following a strict moral code. When you are
making a point about morals, it doesn't matter if you are wrong or
right. Its the tone of the declaration that matters.
Xeones|7.28.09 @ 11:41AM|#
Why is the word beerkake suddenly in my mind?
You've been hanging out with SugarFree too much.
Bill|7.28.09 @ 11:43AM|#
Anyone who's read the 4th book knows that butter beer only gets house elves drunk. Its more like ginger beer or root beer than anything else. A little investigation on the author's part might have made for a better article. Furthermore she neglects all of Disney's depictions of similar behavior, including a famous song and dance number featuring a drunken Dumbo.
|7.28.09 @ 11:44AM|#
I have fond memories of when Harry Potter exploded down here. The Southern Baptists were having a shit hemmhorage over all that satanical majic stuff.
alan|7.28.09 @ 12:01PM|#
Not being up on all aspects of English culture, don't the
Brits allow their yutes to drink earlier than ours? Somebody might
want to untwist her panties and remember the rest of the world
doesn't share America's puritanical obsession about
drinking.
Yeah, the legal age for beer consumption in the UK is 15. That pic
was taken at the actresses sixteenth birthday party if I recall,
and it caused a small stir with the soccer moms. Not that a
retarded cultural imperialist raised on Dateline like Tara
Parker-Pope would understand that the rest of us don't have to give
a damn what her repressed wee ones would find impressionable.
T|7.28.09 @ 12:03PM|#
Don't let facts get in the way of a parent
The shorter version is as least as accurate.
Fluffy|7.28.09 @ 12:08PM|#
This shouldn't surprise anyone at Reason since a culture of
prohibition requires falsehoods to sustain itself. If anything is
allowed to creep into the mainstream depicting those falsehoods as
false, that undermines the entire system.
To the prohibitionists, the biggest problem with the depiction of
drinking by teens in Harry Potter is that it's consequence-free.
You know, the way MOST drinking is. If Hermione got pregnant and
dropped out of school because she got date-raped when drunk, and if
Harry wrapped his broom around a pole after having a single sip of
near-beer, they'd be fine with it. It's precisely the fact that
they do a small amount of drinking and then don't have their lives
ended and destroyed that freaks these people out.
The prohibition culture requires that the fiction be maintained
that any interaction of teens and alcohol will lead to horrific
results. Even though most of the time it's no big deal, we all have
to agree never to mention the fact that most of the time it's no
big deal, or we're "irresponsible".
Bruder X|7.28.09 @ 12:08PM|#
"Oh, and you spelling nazis can bite me."
What made you think we needed your permission, Herr B?
|7.28.09 @ 12:13PM|#
If Hermione got pregnant and dropped out of school because
she got date-raped when drunk, and if Harry
or wrapped his her
broom around a pole after having a single sip of
near-beer,
Sorry. Couldn't resist. I blame SugarFree.
hmm|7.28.09 @ 12:16PM|#
Isn't it 16 in residence and 18-21 outside of a residence for
all or most of the UK.
Didn't they drink mead in the movie? Not that it matters. Hell a
bong scene would have been awesome.
Thelonious_Nick|7.28.09 @ 12:23PM|#
The real scandal is that she's drinking Corona in the picture. Don't they have real beer over there in England?
Technomist|7.28.09 @ 12:26PM|#
Its legal for minors to drink in the company of their parents in
England well below the age of 18. Children can actually drink
alcohol that someone else has bought for them, under parental
supervision, from the age of 5, though for the child to become
drunk could lead to child abuse charges and social services
intervention.
S168 of the Licensing Act 1964 does stipulate in any event that
under 14 year olds are not permitted in the bar area of a pub.
However, they can themelves buy alcohol to drink with a meal in a
licenced restaurant from the age of 16, something I once did in my
school uniform.
In England it is not legal to order alcohol without a meal until
the age of 18 in a pub or other licenced premises, whether the
intention is to drink on the premises or not.
|7.28.09 @ 12:34PM|#
I know the official mantra is that I can't comment on something
like this because I don't have kids. But I was a child once myself,
and I do remember some of it.
What I don't remember is my parents trying frantically to
completely insulate me from the realities of the outside world. In
fact, they didn't think of it as an "outside" world--it was just
the world. Instead they tried to teach what those realities were,
and how to deal with them.
Now, as I said, I don't have kids myself. But my parents' way seems
more sensible to me.
hmm|7.28.09 @ 12:44PM|#
I have fond memories of when Harry Potter exploded down...
For some reason this made me think of the sugarfree cop love
post.
T|7.28.09 @ 12:57PM|#
S168 of the Licensing Act 1964 does stipulate in any event
that under 14 year olds are not permitted in the bar area of a
pub.
Look at you, you have a baby... In a bar.
Cliché Bandit|7.28.09 @ 1:27PM|#
Thelonious_Nick | July 28, 2009, 12:23pm | #
The real scandal is that she's drinking Corona in the picture. Don't they have real beer over there in England?
EXACTLY! As a homebrewer I take the consumption of beer/alcohol
VERY seriously. I think EVERYONE should do it. And they should do
it responsibly...which means no Bud, Coors, The Beast, Corona or
any other dog piss that is produced on a scale equivalent to the
size of my ego. Only truely good beer should be drank. And in large
quantities. I would love to sell to the the teens in my hood. It
would at least pay for my habit. And not to brag but my scotch wee
heavy (9.2 ABV) was freakin AWESOME!
robc|7.28.09 @ 1:58PM|#
Its legal for minors to drink in the company of their
parents in England well below the age of 18. Children can actually
drink alcohol that someone else has bought for them, under parental
supervision, from the age of 5, though for the child to become
drunk could lead to child abuse charges and social services
intervention.
So, basically, the same as Wisconsin.
kinnath|7.28.09 @ 2:00PM|#
The real scandal is that she's drinking Corona in the
picture. Don't they have real beer over there in
England?
On my last trip to Dublin, I was thoroughly disgusted to see Bud on
tap at the local pub -- and I've seen similar occurances in
England.
Apparently, "import" beers -- both American and Mexican -- have
become quite popular in the isles.
robc|7.28.09 @ 2:02PM|#
That isnt the famous pic of her I would have posted...oh wait,
that one actually fits the article.
Nevermind.
robc|7.28.09 @ 2:04PM|#
I understand the UK grocery stores are chock full of white zin and roses too. They get their good wine from the continent and their crap from the US.
JB|7.28.09 @ 2:07PM|#
'Wah! People drinking alcohol hurts my vagina!'
Her kids should be taken away from that bitch.
wingnutx|7.28.09 @ 2:23PM|#
The whole series of books is pretty emphatic that the government
can't protect you, will only hamstring you, so you'd better carry a
concealed weapon.
And while we're on the subject of dishonesty in the service of
prohibition: The Most Idiotic Drug
Meltdowns On TV.
anon_regular|7.28.09 @ 2:23PM|#
This is not going to win me any friends, hence the cowardly actions I'm taking to make sure only the editors know my true identity, but the love of the taste of beer is a delusion of the highest order. Aside from the light North American lagers, and some German sweet brews that actually taste good, every specialty beer has tasted like crap in three broadly overlapping categories of crapitude, 1) piss tasting, 2) burnt oats tasting or 3) you have picked up the bottle used to drown the cigarette butts by mistake, and you didn't notice any significant difference in taste between that and the expensive European import you were sipping. That last event is what freed me from this delusion.
qwerty|7.28.09 @ 2:24PM|#
As the mother of a 10-year-old Harry Potter fan, I was taken
aback by the reaction of the young people in the theater. They
snickered at Hermione's goofy grin and, later, guffawed when an
inebriated Hagrid passed out.
I remember when I was a kid we took a field trip to a play, and one
of the characters was a drunk. All the kids were laughing like
crazy, and the parents were appalled that we were being exposed to
such debauchery. Somehow, we got over it without all becoming
alcoholics.
robc|7.28.09 @ 2:32PM|#
anon_regular is a moron.
And a liar.
And I wonder how he knows what piss tastes like.
anon_regular|7.28.09 @ 2:37PM|#
robc | July 28, 2009, 2:32pm | #
anon_regular is a moron.
And a liar.
And I wonder how he knows what piss tastes like.
Strong overreaction there. Must have hit a nerve. Free your head
Robc, dislodge it from the anus of groupthink.
How do I know? Well, it involves your mother so I'll be polite and
not go into details.
Sean W. Malone|7.28.09 @ 2:38PM|#
When I was in Jr. High I was in some plays at school and there's
almost always some drunk stumbling around on stage.
Plus, isn't that half of what's really going on in A Streetcar
Named Desire?
Stupid parents.
Citizen Nothing|7.28.09 @ 2:48PM|#
Goad anon_regular into a few more posts and we'll be able to do enough of a text analysis to out him.
Sean W. Malone|7.28.09 @ 2:52PM|#
Haha... Also, I have to jump on the dogpile with anon_regular.
When I was younger, and had only been exposed to a limited amount
of, often cheap & shitty, beers, I thought the way he
did.
Then I discovered the magic of Hefeweizen with lemon, the smooth
creamy texture of a Black & Tan and the refreshing taste of
German lagers.
Cliché Bandit|7.28.09 @ 2:52PM|#
forgot previous cliché
Everything in moderation
now on to my new post:
anon-regular is uninformed about true beer. I do have a hard time
disagreeing with him regarding the mass produced equine urine
products on the market BUT when ones makes one's own beer then the
true pleasure of rotten grain and the cousin of weed becomes clear.
There are more styles of beer than most people would ever realize.
The flavor combinations are nearly infinite and the execution of a
good recipe is an artform.
In reference to the Shatner thread - I spit my last bnreath at
thee!
Age does not necesitate wisdom.
|7.28.09 @ 2:55PM|#
"Street Car Named Desire" is an interesting choice for
a Junior High production, I'll grant.
But that would be the cue, as good as any, to throw in a Simpsons'
reference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50IWwFn73ls
Long before the Superdome
Where the Saints of football play...
Lived a city that the damned call home
Hear their hellish rondelet...
New Orleans!
Home of pirates, drunks and whores
New Orleans!
Tacky overpriced souvenir stores
If you want to go to hell, you should take a trip
To the Sodom and Gomorrah of the Mississip'
New Orleans!
Stinking, Rotten, vomiting, vile
New Orleans
Putrid, brackish, maggotty, foul
New Orleans!
Crummy, lousy, rancid, and rank
New Orleans
|7.28.09 @ 3:02PM|#
Are we talking about a movie where witchcraft is the norm??? Potion-making, flying, etc.? Ahh, it must be a conspiracy!!!!!
robc|7.28.09 @ 3:03PM|#
Im a homebrewer and an uncertified beer judge (okay, Ive only
judged in one comp, hopefully, soon to be two). I know a thing or
two about the flavors in beer.
One of my favorite beer reviews (from a popular beer website),
mostly for its amazing accuracy (bolding mine):
A brilliant murky fluid, which has an orange cloudy hue. Served in
a dry flute glass with minimal carbonation, white, but very tight
thin bubble head. It resembles a flat Hefeweizen after a short
time.
Has all the nasal beauty of a herd of damp unsheared
Sheep, you know the ones that have shit stuck to their
matted back ends. Liquid farmyard effluent traces, wet
straw, hay-lofts, rotten soaking oak casks, old wooden
barns & crap stained muck-spreaders.
Incredibly dry, impressive yeast dominant astringency, with a
massive acidity that fights every drop of saliva in the aural
cavity. It decimates the mouth & creates an arid
wasteland. The sourness has lessened over the years.
Dehydrated cheeks are powerless to defeat the
"you-know-what-is-coming-next" aspect. The Cantillon mouth-pucker.
I am sure I swallowed my own mouth at least twice.
The reviewer gave the beer a perfect score.
The first time I tried a Cantillon Gueuze, the smell nearly made me
ill. Some have said is smells like vomit, I think that is one of
the odors there. It is the worst smelling substance I have ever put
in my mouth. It tastes wonderful.
kinnath|7.28.09 @ 3:04PM|#
. . . . but the love of the taste of beer is a delusion of
the highest order.
Beer is crap; mead is the nectar of the gods.
|7.28.09 @ 3:05PM|#
and has anyone ever heard of the brothers Grimm? Nice bedtime stories...............
anon_regular|7.28.09 @ 3:12PM|#
At least anon_regular is smart enough to know that this is the
one topic he would NOT want associated with his good name.
Watery beer, for evah! Miller Light, Dos Equis, Molsen Ice,
IceHouse when it is really, really, and I mean it has to be really
really, cold. You know you secretly love those brews in your heart
of hearts. Stop letting your social conditioning get in the way of
your true happiness. Tru Up.
Can I stop now CN? Got a fix on me as of this time? Probably should
have used a regional dialect to deflect, but, no time for that.
robc|7.28.09 @ 3:17PM|#
You know you secretly love those brews in your heart of
hearts.
Nope. Never did. Never well.
Ice cold beer is just stupid. Cold kills taste.
anon_regular|7.28.09 @ 3:25PM|#
If they rebranded Miller Light as Beer Flavored Water and sold it beside Evian, a lot of you guys would be all over that shit.
The Gobbler|7.28.09 @ 3:27PM|#
"New Orleans!
Crummy, lousy, rancid, and rank
New Orleans"
I take it you've never had the Louisiana Cioppino at the Pelican
Club.
http://www.pelicanclub.com/menu.html#ala
deluded1|7.28.09 @ 3:40PM|#
As a brewer and a judge, I'll have to say this: The macro's
should always be ice cold...because it destroys both flavor and
aroma. This is, no kidding, how the BJCP says it should be served,
though they don't say why. Not that there is much to begin
with.
Apparently anon_regular just wants to get drunk with no
flavor...which is his perogative.
However, anon_regular,- don't be so simple as to claim that
everything has to be either flavorless or it tastes like shit. You
obviously haven't tasted everything, nor have I, but I assume your
experiences are limited. If you have had good beers and still think
they taste like shit, I pity you. I'm no gourmand, but the world of
flavor is varied and complex, and if you prefer guzzling flavorless
shit quickly down your gullet to provide intoxication, you're
missing out on an awful lot of what I, and many other people,
enjoy.
I also brew mead, cider, braggot, sours, etc. They're all
wonderful, and they all have a time and place.
On topic - The latest movie was awful, and you complain about
hermione getting a bit tipsy? That bitches' kids are laughing more
because their parents think it's taboo then anything else. Simple
mind, Simple topic.
Slainté
|7.28.09 @ 3:41PM|#
I like a good, solid beer as well as anybody. I'll even enjoy a sour every now and then. But I've seen beer snobs gush over beer that tasted like blood sausage and smelled even worse. More importantly, if I'm drinking beer all day, I'd rather have beer flavored water. Yes. Make no mistake. I will crush the cans with my fists.
anon_regular|7.28.09 @ 3:48PM|#
Okay, you want a good home brew, well semi home brew, that will
make your friends think you are the fucking brewmaster genuis, here
is a recipe:
One envelope of yeast,
one quarter cup of molasses,
two cups of Papa John's crust scraps at least two days old, finely
ground*.
Place in an empty three liter bottle, fill it with a mix of seltzer
and tap water till it is four fifths or so full.
Set aside for two weeks. You don't need it to fully ferment. Now
strain out the gook, you'll now have enough room in the container
to add a full bottle of Schlitz malt liquor. There is your home
brew beer, and it will delight your friends to no end, so long as
you keep it hush hush about the process involved.
*I like to keep some jalapenos and tomato sauce on the crust for
taste. No cheese though.
Sean W. Malone|7.28.09 @ 3:51PM|#
"mead is the nectar of the gods."
SECONDED!
While we're on this topic, btw, anyone have a favorite Mead they'd
like to recommend to me?
Fluffy|7.28.09 @ 3:51PM|#
I seriously prefer a sharp, acrid, metallic-tasting lager, like
a Heineken or [when I'm in the mood] a Bud.
I went through the whole "microbrew" phase, and it's a big
wankfest. I don't want to drink anything that makes me think stuff
is floating in it. And I wouldn't give a dog Guinness.
deluded1|7.28.09 @ 3:53PM|#
Afraid that the CO2 in the seltzer water will cause the yeast to
asphyxiate. Not to mention the pH imbalance of the jalapenos and
tomato sauce (you'd need to add that post fermentation).
Keep working on those recipes anon! You'll get it sooner or
later.
deluded1|7.28.09 @ 3:56PM|#
I went through the whole "microbrew" phase, and it's a big
wankfest. I don't want to drink anything that makes me think stuff
is floating in it. And I wouldn't give a dog Guinness.
Taste is always subjective Fluffy, but I'm a bit confused. The
microbrew thing has as much or more to do with producing and buying
local than creating new beer (or crazy) beers. What designates that
as a wankfest? Or gives you the impression that you'd find anything
floating in it? Not being an ass, just asking your opinion
|7.28.09 @ 3:57PM|#
While we're on this topic, btw, anyone have a favorite Mead
they'd like to recommend to me?
I've tried a few commercial meads, but none came close to what I
used to make myself.
I seriously prefer a sharp, acrid, metallic-tasting lager, like
a Heineken or [when I'm in the mood] a Bud.
Knock yourself out. De gustibus . . . .
|7.28.09 @ 3:57PM|#
All the kids were laughing like crazy
Wouldn't the kids be less inclined to drink if they thought they
would end up being the object of ridicule?
anon_regular|7.28.09 @ 4:03PM|#
Afraid that the CO2 in the seltzer water will cause the
yeast to asphyxiate. Not to mention the pH imbalance of the
jalapenos and tomato sauce (you'd need to add that post
fermentation).
Keep working on those recipes anon! You'll get it sooner or
later.
Thanks for the tip. That is what the Schlitz is for to compensate.
It is pretty righteously unholy as it stands, but if it could stand
on its own as a brew, that would be killer. After reading robc's
review, I think our argument may be entirely semantic in
nature.
Some days, I have a demonic taste for the nasty, and other days, I
just want to slowly drink myself into oblivion but not over do it
on a liquor.
robc|7.28.09 @ 4:10PM|#
Not my review, and that is only one style.
Lambics (the real ones) are naturally fermented. No yeast is added,
whatever native yeast is floating around the Somme (did I get the
right one?) Valley is allowed to ferment away. Then its put in
wooden vats with all kinds of weird microbes that turn the beer
sour and interesting.
Its definately a style that few like. When "barnyard" and "horse
blanket" are standard descriptors, it isnt going to be overly
popular.
deluded1|7.28.09 @ 4:15PM|#
Well, anon, if that's what your looking for:
6 lbs light dry malt extract
3 lbs rice syrup
1.5 oz of hops around 6% AA
throw shit in 5.5 gallons of water and boil 60 minutes
Throw in bucket with 2 packets of US-05 dry yeast. Top up to 5
gallons. Leave alone for 2 weeks. Mix in a half cup of sugar then
bottle. Or throw in a keg and hit with CO2.
There ya go, 2 cases of 8% malt liquor for ~35 bucks.
Then again, I'm assuming that's the homebrew you're used to. So I'm
probably not telling you anything you didn't already know.
deluded1|7.28.09 @ 4:19PM|#
robc,
There's actually a brewery on the pacific coast of the US that's
doing the same thing. (only one in the US, I believe). Guy fills
vats and sticks them out back. Lets the ocean winds ferment them.
It's supposedly pretty excellent. Was in one of the few last issues
of zymurgy.
Citizen Nothing|7.28.09 @ 4:23PM|#
See, just when a guy's posts are beginning to make all kinds of
sense, he's got to post this: "And I wouldn't give a dog
Guinness."
It takes all kinds.
Citizen Nothing|7.28.09 @ 4:28PM|#
I'm keeping bees this year. I've done the home-brew bit and figure I'll try to make some mead, assuming I get an appreciable honey harvest. Any good books on the subject?
kinnath|7.28.09 @ 4:30PM|#
I've tried a few commercial meads, but none came close to
what I used to make myself.
Ditto.
kinnath|7.28.09 @ 4:33PM|#
I'm keeping bees this year. I've done the home-brew bit and
figure I'll try to make some mead, assuming I get an appreciable
honey harvest. Any good books on the subject?
Start at Got Mead dot Com
deluded1|7.28.09 @ 4:34PM|#
Citizen,
The Compleat Meadmaker by Ken Schramm
Don't ask me why it's spelled this way. It's the go to book for
brewing mead.
robc|7.28.09 @ 4:35PM|#
CN,
Mix honey with water.
Add yeast.
Wait a year.
I think that is about it for Mead.
kinnath|7.28.09 @ 4:37PM|#
16 lbs whole mulberris (picked fresh, then frozen)
7 lbs medium dark honey
2 gallons water
1 pkg ale yeast
Let it go for two or three weeks.
Press the juice out of the berries, and rack into glass.
Let settle for a week or so, prime with honey and bottle.
Yield three gallons.
Result 12% ABV, dark, rich, musty aroma. Big flavor. A lot of
'beer' character, but no bitter because no hops.
kinnath|7.28.09 @ 4:38PM|#
The Compleat Meadmaker by Ken Schramm
Best of the lot, but there a many other good books.
deluded1|7.28.09 @ 4:39PM|#
robc,
Nope, it's a tiny brewpub. Doesn't package anything. I'll see if I
can dig around and find the name for you. I keep my back
issues.
ChrisO|7.28.09 @ 4:57PM|#
Harry Potter series has to be some of the most libertarian
literature that has actually managed to reach a wide audience...
the ministry of Magic basically alternates between bumbling
incompetence and criminal overreaction... one of the most important
lessosn of the books is that the End does not justify the Means...
and rebellion against authority is constantly there..
That would all be true, except that young Harry the Chosen One, who
absorbed so much of Voldemort's talent, ends up becoming nothing
more than another government employee. In fact, he becomes
something akin to the magical world's version of a stormtrooper.
Couldn't he have done something more inspiring with all that
talent? The Weasley twins are the only ones who show any spark
among that crowd.
robc|7.28.09 @ 5:08PM|#
I have a blackberry/blueberry wheat wine going right now.
Fermentation is done but it is HOT. It will need some time for the
alcohol flavor to abate.
Planning on doing a nut brown this weekend.
ChrisO|7.28.09 @ 5:15PM|#
Dude, this is a brewing thread ;-)
What, we can't multi-task?
For the record, it doesn't get tastier than a nice chewy imperial
stout or a sweet doppelbock. And a true Pilsner (not that
megabrewery swill) tastes amazing on a hot summer day.
hmm|7.28.09 @ 5:20PM|#
We're missing the important question here. When are they all 18
and when is the Hogwarts, coke fueled, pot smoking orgy going to
hit theaters?
Someone had to do it.
The Gobbler|7.28.09 @ 5:21PM|#
""mead is the nectar of the gods.""
mead is the urine of the gods.
FIFY
Cliché Bandit|7.28.09 @ 5:21PM|#
kinnath | July 28, 2009, 4:58pm | #
Dude, this is a brewing thread ;-)
Awesome. You neve get this lively of a discussion on the AHA
TechTalk list. I currently have a Hefeweisen going (but discoverd
the primary temp may have been a little high as the basment is now
covered in krausen). We will see if any of the WLP-300 German Hefe
esters are left after a shuttle launch fermentation. Not holding my
breath. Maybe it will be so flavorless that anon-regular would like
it.
I will still drink it though.
Waste not want not
robc|7.28.09 @ 5:27PM|#
Cliche,
300 should always be done a little too hot, lovely banana bombs
result. I refuse to ferment hefes in my basement, T is too
low.
I had one at a 4th of July party. Based on results from the last 2
times I have made it, it picked up the nickname of roofieweizen.
Hot chicks asleep on the couch mid-party.
kinnath|7.28.09 @ 5:29PM|#
Brewing threads break out on a semi-regular basis here at
H&R.
No point is crying over spilt beer
deluded1|7.28.09 @ 5:31PM|#
robc,
The American Wild Ale that I was speaking of is from Grey Parrot
Brewpub, brewed by Phil Goularte, Long Beach, Washington. Can be
found in Volume III Issue II of Beeradvocate magazine.
Cliché,
As long as it didn't hit 75, you should be fine. I've found that
with that yeast, you'll have a stronger banana and less clove
esters, were if you drop it down to 62, it'll be all clove. And for
lively talk, I usually use beeradvocate.com or brewboard.com.
So, I've got a belgian tripel and a saison I brewed sunday doing a
partigyle. Also have a german pilsner, and a smokey doppelbock
(11%) sitting in the fridge lagering next to a german alt bier. On
tap I have an american wheat w/ orange and coriander that I dry
hopped w/ columbus and cascade (to bring out the citrus &
floral notes) In line to bottle are a scottish wee heavy (14%) and
my "omega". A belgian quad aged in oak w/ port wine &
choclate.
robc|7.28.09 @ 5:32PM|#
Its been a long while since the last brewing thread.
I only enter 1 competition a year, I consider myself more of a soul
brewer than a comp brewer, but I like to enter my state fair. This
year the competitive side in me has come out, Im going for a trophy
haul. I have 4 entries, all of which have scored well and/or won
categories in the past, with one exception, which is a damn good
beer too.
Normally I enter for the judges feedback on ways to improve my
beers, but not this year. I want wins.
kinnath|7.28.09 @ 5:36PM|#
My first state fair is coming up this weekend. Two sack meads, two pymnets, and two melomels.
robc|7.28.09 @ 5:36PM|#
american wheat
The scourge of beer styles. An embarrassment to America. And even
worse when they get called hefeweizens. Im talking about you,
Widmer.
robc|7.28.09 @ 5:38PM|#
Forgot to mention in ealier post what my 4 entries are:
ESB
Schwarzbier
English Mild
Hefeweizen
Also, the libertarian in me makes sure I violate the
reinheitsgebot* every time a brew a german style.
*I spelled it right in 1 try!
hmm|7.28.09 @ 5:42PM|#
Also, the libertarian in me makes sure I violate the
reinheitsgebot* every time a brew a german style.
I'd ask exactly how you violate the law, but I'm a little afraid to
know what you add.
robc|7.28.09 @ 5:44PM|#
hmm,
Orange peel and coriander in my hefe (spicing it like a Wit) and I
use a small amount of roast barley in my schwarzbier.
Plus, you know, a little extra something.
deluded1|7.28.09 @ 5:45PM|#
I just called it american wheat because I used us-05 yeast and
some two-row.
Really it was a kitchen sink brew: I was trying to use the last of
a bunch of bags. It had german pils, two row, and quite a few lbs
of white wheat. I had tried a wheat from Stoudts recently that had
dry hopped with citrus hops, and it made a pronounced impact on the
flavor for me. I thought I'd give it a try.
robc|7.28.09 @ 5:46PM|#
hmm,
We're missing the important question here. When are they all
18
The only one that matters has been 18 for a while. Hence my
reference to a different famous picture of her somewhere way
earlier in this thread.
IIRC, she starts school at Brown this fall.
robc|7.28.09 @ 5:48PM|#
deluded1,
It is the use of Chico/US-05/whatever yeast in a wheat beer that
pisses me off. :)
A style that so demands a yeast contribution and then to use the
most neutral yeast ever? Seems like such a waste. Then again, I
like Gumballhead, so what do I know.
robc|7.28.09 @ 5:49PM|#
I have some glacier hops (2 oz) that I have no clue what Im going to do with them...any ideas?
deluded1|7.28.09 @ 5:54PM|#
Glacier is a earthy hop, which tends to be english styles. I've
always found it to be really clean when bittering, and goes pretty
well with newport.
If you want to stick american, go with a nice brown ale. Keep it
malty, maybe add some molasses.
|7.28.09 @ 5:57PM|#
Hmm...
I wonder if there is some kind of connection between Libertarianism
and home brewing?
deluded1|7.28.09 @ 6:01PM|#
oooh, or a low alcohol porter might be nice. I tend to associate
"earthy" with darker, roasty beers.
As for the us-05, I couldn't agree more - hefeweizen was the reason
I started drinking beer for enjoyment (paulaner). I almost spit out
my first american wheat. But we work with what we have....
robc|7.28.09 @ 6:26PM|#
deluded1,
Thanks. I was thinking porter for the Glacier. Probably will do it
to follow up my nut brown.
|7.28.09 @ 6:37PM|#
What a HORRIBLE mom. Who, in their right mind, would let their
kids ingest any media form without having some clue as to its
content?
Don't get me wrong: I've seen the movie, and don't see a problem,
unless you count her fragile mind.
But if, in the middle of a fantasy movie about freakin' wizards,
witches, dragons and undead monsters at the bottom of murky lake
inside a fucking scary-ass cave you wonder about the impact the
alcohol content (or lack there-of) of a fictional beverage - inside
this fantasy movie of fictional 16-fucking-year-olds - will have on
your ten-year-kid (who's probably crapping popcorn by now), you
obviously do not deserve or are qualified to have children!
Seriously. Give them up. I think octo-mom is better suited to
raising kids than you.
deluded1|7.28.09 @ 6:55PM|#
Peter,
I agree wholeheartedly, but what's on tap?
robc,
May I suggest some fenugreek seed for a touch of maple flavor?
Joe M|7.28.09 @ 7:01PM|#
@Unsubstantive Kurt:
There is a connection. Go to www.homebrewtalk.com and see how many
libertarians you find.
hmm|7.28.09 @ 8:39PM|#
Dear god don't say buy and homebrew in the same sentence. BATF and state tax agencies will be all upset.
|7.28.09 @ 10:40PM|#
I don't think I have ever seen a thread take such a turn. Not
that I am complaining.
All the people still contributing seem quite enthusiastic.
I am a drinker myself, although I prefer bourbon as my drink of
choice.
robc|7.28.09 @ 11:10PM|#
Kurt,
Had a Goose Island IPA with dinner and a glass of Evan Williams
single barrel afterwords, so dont have a problem with your drink of
choice.
|7.28.09 @ 11:28PM|#
...you obviously do not deserve or are qualified to have
children!
But you do have to marvel that a woman with that large of a stick,
that far up her ass, was ever able to give birth.
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