Radley Balko | April 13, 2009
CORRECTION: This entry originally had another bullet point that was a separate account of the same Illinois raid mentioned above.
Help Reason celebrate its next 40 years. Donate Now!
Try Reason's award-winning print edition today! Your first issue is FREE if you are not completely satisfied.
The police officer who shot Grand Valley State student Derek
Kopp in the chest during a drug raid has been charged with the
negligent discharge of a firearm.
I'd like to see a non-cop who intentionally points his weapon at
someone and pulls the trigger get charged with "negligent discharge
of a firearm."
Anyone watch Southland?
It's about 70/30 on the supercop/asscop ratio IMO, but there was a
gem of a scene where a traffic stop turns into a non-consensual
search and possession arrest.
When the suspect tells the cop he doesn't have the right to search
the car, the cop says "You've been watching too much TV." ...Or
reading too much Constitution, I guess.
I got caught shoplifting the other day. Like 15 bucks worth.
When I got caught I just went with it. "Jig is up, I spose" I said.
One of the cops who came didn't give a shit. The other one was
pissed that I was being so nonchalant. I asked if I would be better
served by yelling obscenities or by balling at his feet. He was
pissed. He was yelling at me, saying that he didn't like my
attitude.
I calmly pointed out that he was the only one displaying attitude.
He didn't understand. I pointed out to him that I had been caught
with $15 dollars of merch. Not that big of a deal, and yet he had
his hand on his gun. I asked why. He looked at me like I was insane
and ready to get all stabby-stabby.
"Youre a thief! No one likes a thief!" he yelled.
I hate the police. I plan on subverting them as much as possible in
my life.
I saw this kind of stuff a lot in three years working for law
enforcement. I find it somewhat ironic that the people hired to
enforce the law spend so much time trying to find loopholes in the
law because it gets in the way of "doing their jobs". In one sense
the executive is the final arbiter on the wisdom of this law or
that law, in that he has discressionary powers in enforcement, but
I don't think that extends to the wanton disregard or subversion of
one law in order to more effectively enforce another.
In the cannabis example, many of the cops I worked held the
position that cannabis prohibition was ridiculous (some having
formerly enjoyed cannabis recreationally themselves), but that they
were obligated to enforce it anyway. When it came to laws and
regulations that got in the way of effectively enforcing
prohibition however, they constantly occupied themselves with
finding loopholes and workarounds in order to more effectively
enforce a law they didn't believe in.
This sort of warped logic drives a lot of good people to very bad
ends. I think it stems from the fact that controversy highlights
and demands special consideration of some subjects over others.
Unlawful search and seizure is not a controversial subject to most
people, but drug abuse is. The end result is that the law
enforcement officer spends more time thinking about how to
effectively execute his duty in enforcing drug laws than his duty
in observing the fourth amendment.
I plan on subverting them as much as possible in my
life.
How 'bout doing it without stealing?
"The ACLU is suing over a series of raids in Riverside,
California in which police targeted black-owned barbershops."
I hate to be a snit, but do right-conservative organizations ever
sue the police?
I plan on subverting them as much as possible in my
life.
Hopefully your attitudes about "subverting" the honest shopkeepers
you were ripping off will change too. In the meantime, feel free to
play in traffic.
"Youre a thief! No one likes a thief!" he yelled.
Shouty cop had a point, thief. You do know this is a libertarian
board, right, not a juvenile delinquent chatroom? And that
libertarians tend to take property rights seriously? I second
domo's invitation.
"go play in traffic" is one of my favorite fu*k you phrases.
Domo arrigato domoarrigato.
Now I'm wondering, am I crazy or does there actually seem to be
ever increasing momentum toward ending the drug war? I can't help
but feel that the environment is just so much more open to
discourse now than ever (at least in my lifetime). Do you feel
it?
I told my friends this weekend, pot legalization will happen 100%
likely in our lifetimes. It will be like the fall of the Berlin
Wall. Inevitable but unexpected.
Nope, I'm crazy...
"Youre a thief! No one likes a thief!" he yelled.
Well, you are a thief, and nobody likes a thief.
Of course, cops are thieves too, you're just no better than
them.
Let's guess the makeup of anon's $15 in purloined
sundries.
3-pack extra-large condoms
1 bag rubber bands
1 can spraypaint
1 used copy, The Fast and the Furious
Now I'm wondering, am I crazy or does there actually seem to
be ever increasing momentum toward ending the drug war?
You so crazy . . . ;-)
Hey thief, just tell everybody that it is an assembly of quarks
and stuff arranged in a specific manner.
You will fit right in with the IP thieves!
Let's guess the makeup of anon's $15 in purloined
sundries.
1 tube store-brand acne cream
1 extra large Snickers bar
on-sale Nickelback CD
phalkor - I wonder about that. One thing that's really
interesting is how people from various parts of the political
spectrum are talking about it. It's not just the loony left and /
or the radical right.
I think marijuana legalization is close - w/in 5 years or so. Too
many people realize how stupid laws against pot are. Once
politicans realize that it's not a third rail, things may change
rather quickly. I'd look for state initiatives to guide the way on
that.
Let's guess the makeup of anon's $15 in purloined sundries.
Steal This Book, Abbie Hoffman
Crime of the Century, Supertramp
If I Did It, O J Simpson
Let's guess the makeup of anon's $15 in purloined
sundries.
1 Copy each of hod rod magazine and Perfect 10
1 tube of store brand water based lube
bag of funions
no condoms
anon-
Did you really shoplift? Prove it! Otherwise, I am just going to
assume that a regular poster to H&R is constitutionally
incapable of committing such petty offenses.
I stole a copy of Steal This Book once in my misguided youth. I'm pretty sure that's the only legitimate way to acquire it.
I've been accidentally shot by Claudine Longet!
(and Perfect 10 used to cost more than $15 back when I bought it,
and that was last millennium)
The grenade in the bed and the shootings in the chest didn't fade me really. But I have had it up to here with cops hassling anon when he's shoplifting.
the shootings in the chest didn't fade me really
Don't worry. We'll get him to tow the lion eventually.
1 Copy each of hod rod magazine and Perfect 10
That was my shopping basket! I paid with fiat money
too.
Fucking seven fucking bloodboiling fucking stories on fucking
Monday fucking morning?
Balko, you sadist!
Here you go, Taktix®. In the war against zombies, there is hope in Woody Harrelson.
I've been owned by pop culture once again, FN.
Now back to my Dallas reruns and Crystal Pepsi.
negligent
1 a: marked by or given to neglect especially habitually or
culpably b: failing to exercise the care expected of a reasonably
prudent person in like circumstances
2: marked by a carelessly easy manner
Nope. Doesn't fit.
I pointed out to him that I had been caught with $15 dollars
of merch. Not that big of a deal, and yet he had his hand on his
gun. I asked why. He looked at me like I was insane and ready to
get all stabby-stabby.
Don't take that as a threatening gesture. Maybe he didn't want it
to get stolen.
"I've seen quite of few of these stories, lately-where police
conduct drug raids under the guise of a regulatory inspection to
get around the need for a search warrant. It's troubling."
Not to worry, it will stop soon. You see, now the cops can kick
your door in and search your house for illegal weapons every time
they get an anonymous Skype call that tells them you're a bad
person.
911: "Emergency operator, what's the emergancy?"
Anonymous, untraceable Skype call, originating from from police HQ:
"This guy was walking around his front yard just now with a machine
gun, screaming that he was gonna kill his wife and all the
cops."
911: "We'll dispatch SWAT!"
Anon: "Oh, thank you!"
At which point, Anon goes to get his SWAT gear on...
"This guy was walking around his front yard just now with a
machine gun, screaming that he was gonna kill his wife and all the
cops."
I can see the second part being a crime, but the first? You are
stretching. Maybe a civil crime, but not criminal. Just ask OJ.
Note to self:
Do not read Radley posts if I want to stay in a good
mood...especially on my day off.
High,
You mean walking around his front yard? No, that's not a crime. The
rest of the claim will bring SWAT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting
Dello,
No duh, the part I quoted. First part is the wife, second part is
the cops.
Goofy Dello.
Here you go, Taktix®. In the war against zombies, there is
hope in Woody Harrelson.
Thanks, but I already saw that.
I have an RSS feed chip implanted in my brain, but since it's still
in Beta, I only get feeds about Harrelson, egg nog recipies and
klezmer...
Though they were drug raids, the actions were couched as "health inspections," obviating the need for a search warrant. I've seen quite of few of these stories, lately-where police conduct drug raids under the guise of a regulatory inspection to get around the need for a search warrant. It's troubling.
I would just like to voice my opinion that this shit is
unforgivable. This is the kind of crap that get the natives
restless. "Troubling", Mr. Balko, is an understatement.
The police officer who shot Grand Valley State student Derek Kopp in the chest during a drug raid has been charged with the negligent discharge of a firearm.
From the comments section in the linked article -
Obama_For_Change wrote:
parrotsbay pot is just plant not a bad drug it should be legal. john kerry had big hair but was a caring perosn that would have made a good president to like obama
4/7/2009 7:43 PM EDT on wzzm13.com
Obama_For_Change,
Many people are trying to dispel the myth that marijuana users are
not a bunch of stoned ignorant slackers.
You're not helping.
Many people are trying to dispel the myth that marijuana
users are not a bunch of stoned ignorant slackers.
You're not helping.
maaaaannnn that was probably a cop tryin to like make us look like
the herb messes with our reality
Now I'm wondering, am I crazy or does there actually seem to
be ever increasing momentum toward ending the drug war?
You're not crazy. I see it as well. I've been wrong about this
before though. In the '70s I confidently predicted legalized reefer
by 1990.
"It costs too much money, in both enforcement and uncollected
taxes, both income tax and the inevitable sin tax. It's a
no-brainer" I averred.
Now I'm wondering, am I crazy or does there actually seem to be ever increasing momentum toward ending the drug war?
You're not crazy. I see it as well. I've been wrong about this
before though. In the '70s I confidently predicted legalized reefer
by 1990.
He is crazy, and we all got fooled by thinking that the "60's pot
smoking generation", once in power would surely unplug this whole
drug war thing. But guess what, not only is it here, but it's
bigger, badder, longer and uncutter than ever before.
"I've seen quite of few of these stories, lately..."
How many, Radley? You have enough time to bitch slap a probably
statistically insignificant sampling of cops whenever you're awake,
but not enough time to back up your sweeping anecdotal remarks with
some hard journalism. When you get a sense of perspective, I'll
think about considering you an unbiased source of information about
cops. In the meantime, your agenda is as thin as your skin.
Why don't your groupies see through this?
The local news keeps talking about Facebook groups that are
forming to SUPPORT the officer who shot the innocent student. I've
formed a group against him called, "If I shot a harmless person,
I'd go to jail. So would Ryan Huizenga."
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=181097925436
Please join so we can balance the news coverage!
Site comments/questions:
Media Inquiries and Reprint Permissions:
(310) 367-6109
Editorial & Production Offices:
3415 S. Sepulveda Blvd.
Suite 400
Los Angeles, CA 90034
(310) 391-2245