Nick Gillespie | February 20, 2009
According to The Economist, more than half of the world is now middle class, defined as
the possession of a reasonable amount of discretionary income. Middle-class people do not live from hand to mouth, job to job, season to season, as the poor do. Diana Farrell, who is now a member of America's National Economic Council but until recently worked for McKinsey, a consultancy that has spent a lot of time studying the middle classes, reckons they begin at roughly the point where people have a third of their income left for discretionary spending after providing for basic food and shelter. This allows them not just to buy things like fridges or cars but to improve their health care or plan for their children's education....
Almost 60 percent of the world now meets The Economist's standard, up from just over 40 percent at the turn of the century. Why have standards of living surged? Due to economic growth based on the liberalization of trade and other economic factors.
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"Almost 60 percent of the world now meets The Economist's
standard, up from just over 40 percent at the turn of the
century."
A 20% improvement in just 8 years? This is impressive!
No Friday Funnies
No Steve Chapman
No Isolated Incident
Let the Friday Festivities commence!
In another month it will be back to 40%.
I am thinking about taking up cannibalism.
If we can put a man on the moon and elect a half-black
president...
Discretionary spending? I don't have any discretionary spending money, what with my mortgage payment, my car payment, my cell phone payment, my cable payment, my credit card bill from Christmas that I have to pay off, and I only eat at cheap restaurants like Applebees. I'm poor!
"A 20% improvement in just 8 years? This is impressive!"
Actually, 40% to 60% would be a 50% improvement.
I guess some people didn't get the memo that since the numbers
rolled over you need to specify which century. :)
After paying mortgage and taxes, utilities and trash pickup,
life insurance, daycare, student loan, gas for the car, groceries,
and phone that leaves me about 200 bucks a month for all
discretionary spending 100 of which go to DirecTV and Road Runner.
So is 100 bucks a month in a suburban American home with a wife and
one child much discretionary spending money?
I don't think it is. It sure as hell ain't 1/3.
This:
the possession of a reasonable amount of discretionary
income.
and this
Middle-class people do not live from hand to mouth, job to job,
season to season, as the poor do.
Are two different things. I know lots of people with very good
paying jobs who have no savings. They live paycheck to paycheck "as
the poor do." They just live high-consumption lifestyles, is
all.
Income and net worth are not the same thing, and there are a lot of
people who have high incomes and low or even negative net
worths.
So which is it that makes you middle-class? Income above
subsistence level, or a decent net worth?
Nick -
I think the Economist is including a lot more in discretionary
spending than we would. It also doesn't make a distinction between
before-tax income and after-tax income. If you read the article, it
doesn't really rely to heavily on that 1/3 firgure.
Income and net worth are not the same thing, and there are a
lot of people who have high incomes and low or even negative net
worths.
And doing our part to drive the global economy!
Middle Class has become more about lifestyle than actual dollars and cents. I've seen guys driving great cars, way better than mine. But they live in shitty neighborhoods you wouldn't want to drive through during the day. If you see them outside the hood, they are middle class. At home they are "poor."
Are two different things.
Not really. The "high-consumption" lifestyle is primarily
discretionary spending.
I know the moose was being sarcastic but I cant tell if Nick was or
if he doesnt know what discretionary means (sorry Nick if you were
being appropriately sarcastic).
You disgust me.
What?! They have great Appletinis and chipotle shrimp!
though I guess I can see if you prefer Friday's they have better steaks and things if your a steak person but i'm not lol
fortunately I moved from a small town to a city that at least has all the places I'd ever want to go. Have you ever had red lobster's cheddar buscuits? their sooooooo good. chilis is good too but mostly for the queso and margaritas but the best is cheesecake factory. they give you the biggest portions and the turtle double chocolate pumpkin forest traditional cheesecake is to die for
I only eat at cheap restaurants like Applebees
I ate at a Fridays recently, after a decade long roll of not eating
at one of these faux-style dives.
I think I'd rather slash my femoral and make a vinaigrette out of
my own blood than do that again.
Not really. The "high-consumption" lifestyle is primarily
discretionary spending.
I think you're missing my point. The article conflates two very
different things - income and net worth. They do not necessarily
track each other. High-consumption lifestyles are why they don't
track each other.
Under a pure income definition, most people I know are middle
class. Under a net worth definition (not living
paycheck-to-paycheck) a lot of those people are not middle
class.
There is a road near me with an Olive Garden, Carabbas, Buca and
another chain I forget all within a couple of blocks. All have
hour+ waits on weekend evenings. Meanwhile, locally owned and much
higher quality Italian places you can walk in and get a seat.
Win for me, I guess. But I dont get it.
I think you're missing my point. The article conflates two
very different things - income and net worth. They do not
necessarily track each other. High-consumption lifestyles are why
they don't track each other.
Under a pure income definition, most people I know are middle
class. Under a net worth definition (not living
paycheck-to-paycheck) a lot of those people are not middle
class.
This is an excellent point. The Economist article takes a very
loose definition of "middle class." I think you can use both of
those definitions and still consider someone middle class, but if
they have low-consumption lifestyles and low/negative net-worth,
they would not be middle class.
RC,
See my 10:26 post. I think we are in agreement.
BTW, I like the wealth accumulator formula in MND.
Quick equations ignoring some of their adjustment factors.
Take your income from your last tax form.
Take your age (during that tax year) and divide by 10.
Multiply the 2 numbers together, call that C.
Now calculate two other numbers as below:
A = C/2
B = C*2
If your net worth is below A, you are a low accumulator of
wealth
If it is between A and B, you are normal
If it is above B, you are a high accumulator of wealth.
Ex: A 40 year old with a household income of $50k.
C is 200k
A is 100k, B is 400k
Going to Friday's or Applebee's specifically for a steak is
well, stupid. If you're going there because of the family
atmosphere, appetizers, and menu variety, that's something
else.
robc, I wasn't being sarcastic, I was basing it on just the above
posted section, having not read the whole article. That's where I
was thinking I don't meet the 1/3 rule. Considering everything
beyong shelter and food, I suppose I do.
I, the real Reinmoose, have been known to go to the occasional
Applebees at the request of a group I'm with. I generally try to
stick to the big beers and uncomplicated foodstuffs.
But I can have a good time anywhere.
I ate at a Fridays recently...I think I'd rather slash my
femoral and make a vinaigrette out of my own blood than do that
again.
I had the worst-ever meal at a Fridays and haven't been back since.
The "hostess" sat us down at a greasy, unwashed table. I had to
clean it myself. Our drinks arrived 10 minutes after we ordered
them. The burgers were salted to the point of toxicity and the
fries were limp and cold. The "hostess" handed us our check and
asked if everything was ok. I told her it was the worst meal I ever
had and she and the cook should be fired. She seemed offended.
But I can have a good time anywhere.
That's because you are a whore. Once again you disgust me.
The chain restaurants, besides being cloned dives, are usually
under strict rules regarding fully cooking meat. Asking for
"bloody/rare" inevitably results in medium rare at best. Since
medium rare is basically ruining the beef, whether it's a steak or
a burger, what's the point?
Interesting, robc. My accumulated wealth is somewhat below C.
Before the market meltdown, it was just above C. I'm, sadly,
typical.
Of course, when I got divorced at age 32, my net worth dropped to
zero, so I'm making up for lost time.
That's because you are a whore. Once again you disgust
me.
I thought they all really loved me!
*runs away*
All have hour+ waits on weekend evenings. Meanwhile, locally
owned and much higher quality Italian places you can walk in and
get a seat.
Risk premium; those people standing in line would rather have a
meal they know will be "okay" than take a chance on a getting
something truly great (or truly awful).
robc - what are your favorite restaurants in town?
I'm going to Hanabi in Prospect this Sunday. Mmmmmm...
sushi....
There is nothing wrong with either Red Lobster or
Olive Garden. I'm not saying they're haute cuisine. But
they serve perfectly acceptable fare.
Applebee's is of course, worse than dumpster diving.
Risk premium; those people standing in line would rather
have a meal they know will be "okay" than take a chance on a
getting something truly great (or truly awful).
Ladies and gentlemen, the voting public.
I LOVE going into the North End (Boston) for italian food. There
are so many great little restaurants.
That said, while Olive Garden doesn't compare, the two times I've
been there I was really pleasantly surprised by the quality of
food. It's not in the same league, but it's so much better than
other chain food.
That said, I love Chili's. For random American food chains, I think
it's the best.
But, speaking of the North End, if you are in Boston, I really, really recommend a small restaurant called Al Dente. Probably the best place I've ever gone for Italian.
robc - what are your favorite restaurants in
town?
In no particular order, just what pops into my head:
Rich O's (if Nalbany is "in town")
Cafe Lou Lou
Havana Rumba
Thai Siam
Irish Rover
Clifton's
Palermo Viejo
BBC (sometimes)
Bristol
Pig City (although they have service issues)
Ive never been to most of the "high end" places.
huh, Ive never thought of my food preferences as "ethnically diverse" but I guess they kinda are.
have you been to India Palace? Very very yummy.
thanks for the list. if ever I see my husband again, I'll see if I
can't swing a date
we eat at the Bristol more often than not when we go out. love
their tapas.
joe opposes expanding the middle class through free trade.
I am glad that statist piece of shit is gone
Fond memories of hitting the North End for Italian when I was in law school. Can't remember the name of the little place we would go, but I sure remember their cannolis.
"Fond memories of hitting the North End for Italian when I was
in law school. Can't remember the name of the little place we would
go, but I sure remember their cannolis."
Mike's patries perhaps? As I engage in the terrible habbit of hip
travel name dropping.
the possession of a reasonable amount of discretionary
income. Middle-class people do not live from hand to mouth, job to
job, season to season, as the poor do.
I have now officially dropped out of the Middle Class.
Why have standards of living surged? Due to economic growth
based on the liberalization of trade and other economic
factors.
You'd think most everyone would have figured this out when we won
the Cold War, but apparently there are too many autocrats with a
vested interest in the status quo.
joe opposes expanding the middle class through free trade.
I am glad that statist piece of shit is gone.
--------
gone where?
i was curious to see how Joe would spin obama's security policies,
and increased spending to benefit his special interest groups.
"joe opposes expanding the middle class through free
trade.
I am glad that statist piece of shit is gone"
Settle down, Francis. While joe had the rather misguided view that
all trade treaties should require the countries the U.S. traded
with to have U.S.-style regulations (or stricter), he was hardly
anti-trade.
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