Radley Balko | November 17, 2008
Last month, the Seattle Times assembled a handy database breaking down the earmarks attached to the 2008 defense appropriations bill. The paper looked at how many of the bill's earmarks went to each congressional district and, in turn, how much money in campaign contributions the recipients of those earmarks have given to the congressmen who requested them.
For example, my congressman, Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.) larded the 2008 defense bill with $40.6 million in earmarks. Over the last five years, the recipients of those earmarks have given Moran more than $890,000 in campaign contributions. Moran was second only to Rep John Murtha (D-Pa.) in raking in contributions from recipients of his sponsored earmarks—Murtha reaped $1.6 million in contributions from the whopping $126 million he put in the bill.
Only about 10 percent of Congress requested no earmarks at all.
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And 0% of corrupt CEOs of failing comapanies got no exhorbitant bonuses. Confirmation fucking bias is the libertarian modus operandi.
The earmark thing makes for great press, and some like Glenn
Reynolds and Congressman Flake are milking it for all it's worth,
but it misses the point. The defense budget is anywhere from 550 to
615 billion, depending on how you count it. If every one of the 535
congresscriters appropriated 41 million, you're only looking at a
little under 22 billion - the rounding error in the defense budget
these days.
All the earmark does is route around the usual competative bid
process - which is a problem, but a relatively minor one all things
considered, since the competative bid process is somewhat off the
rails these days as well. In any case, most of this money would be
spent even if there were no earmarks - to make substantive changes
in defense spending, the attack must be much deeper.
And I'm no supporter of Moran (my hometown congressman as well),
but the $890k figure is a little misleading. It is from *all*
compaines that gave earmarks to *anyone*, not just him (for
instance GE gave him 13K but does not have a earmark in his
district). Also, fwiw, the traditional defense contractor spending
has long been on 'beltway bandits' that are in the Washington DC
metro area - as that's where the Pentagon is. The earmark process
has actually served to 'spread the wealth' by putting various
contracts in West Virginia, Western Pennsylvania, etc.
I will say, the first earmark has almost a Platonic perfection. The
federal government giving money to a state supported university for
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emergency management consulting.
Donate now! Balko and his cronies could never make it a market that rewards actual value produced.
You Urkobold fucks better quit posting under my name. I'll
fucking sue you and you'll have to move out of your moms' basement
and into a cardboard box.
You assmonnkeys will always be insignificant. Dealt with it.
Eddddddddward. Eddddddddward. Eddddddward. Eddddddddward.
Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.) larded the 2008 defense bill with $40.6
million in earmarks.
Get a brain, Moran!
I just read the article about the 6.5 million dollar boat that
has never been in the water.
Three owners, three large re-election contributions, 6 million in
cheddar.
That's the best business plan ever. Private sales are for
suckers.
Are we ("You Urkobold fucks") posting as Lefiti? I haven't and don't plan to. Though I can't speak for my other compatriots.
Well, this is interesting. Connie Mack is on the list. I thought that was a mistake, but it's Connie Mack's son (or great-grandson, depending on your Connie Mack of choice). He's married to Mary Bono (who is now Mary Bono Mack), who is, yes, Sonny Bono's widow and a Representative from California. Huh.
I don't spoof people, with the rare exception of political celebrities (I don't think anyone believes Hillary is posting here). There are much better ways to deal with trolls. As soon as I can come up with a good one on Lefiti, I'll post it.
10% is actually surprisingly high. They could make a huge dent in earmarking by targeting the top 10% of earmarkers and pledging to vote against any bill in which any of those people got an earmark. If putting in earmarks lost more votes to bills than it got, the process would stop. Of course, they couldn't target all 90% at once, but there would be a lot of incentive not to be the worst, which should at least push down earmarking totals a lot. Plus, a lot of states take big hits from the process, particularly states like California with low per capita representation, so if it started working, more folks might jump on the bandwagon.
Shut the fuck up cum sticks. Why don't you go cry to mommy, shit-scarfers. Mess with me some more and you will get fucked, fools!
"joe | November 17, 2008, 6:53pm | #
Wow, that's a lot of free speech."
What? That is borderline Guy Montag-esque non=-equitur. What are
you talking about?
"(I don't think anyone believes Hillary is posting here)"
With the possible exception of Lefiti.
BDB: I think Joe was trying to make a point about how us Libertarians think that campaign contributions are free speech, rather than expensive corruption.
Yeah. Well, joe, the biggest difference is campaign contributions are freely given while tax money is not.
This is confusing, who is the real Lefiti? I thought of a way to figure it out. There is an orginazition (whom shall remain nameless) that after a hurricane in a certain southern state sent people to a location where they could be taken care of. After five days, a member of 'said orginazation' was watching CNN and discovered that they had not sent any water to the people rescued from the hurricane. The real Lefiti is the one thinks 'said orginization' should be in charge of our healthcare.
"Lefiti | November 17, 2008, 7:03pm | #
I'll fucking call the internet police, and they will send the
partyvan!"
If that was one of yours, Ramsey, my hats off to you!
Well, joe, the biggest difference is campaign contributions
are freely given while tax money is not.
Then I guess it's a good thing campaign contributions don't ever
result in tax money being spent.
Yeah, I've just been fooling you guys. I'm really a Limbaugh
Conservative (isn't that guy great?) named Hamus, and I jack my
neighbor's wifi because my mom won't let me have Internet in the
house.
Thanks for the laughs!
I find a critique of large-scale campaign contributions by an Obama supporter ironic somehow.
"Lefiti | November 17, 2008, 8:39pm | #
Yeah, I've just been fooling you guys. I'm really a Limbaugh
Conservative (isn't that guy great?) named Hamus, and I jack my
neighbor's wifi because my mom won't let me have Internet in the
house.
Thanks for the laughs!"
Ok, the person who did that better own up. That is fucking
funny.
Is it bad that i am filled with glee now whenever i see "Lefiti" in the tagline, rather than annoyance and a desire to break the monitor?
PL, I've given you Urkobold cockgobblers ample time to take down my quotes, and they're still up. This isn't a fucking joke: take down the quotes or there will be repercussions for your pitiful little website. This is your last warning.
Lefiti | November 18, 2008, 12:05am | #
PL, I've given you Urkobold cockgobblers ample time to take down my quotes, and they're still up. This isn't a fucking joke: take down the quotes or there will be repercussions for your pitiful little website. This is your last warning.
Methinks that when you are posting pseudonymously, your level of
protection against false but clearly satirical attribution is
approximately bupkis.
In other words: eat a dick. The tutorial: (1) open mouth. (2)
insert dick. (3) chew. (4) swallow.
BTW, whoever else is posting as Lefiti is fucking brilliant. I
shall have to remember this for the future as a strategy for
dealing with trolls.
Yeah, like I have nothing better to do with my time than waste
it suing you losertarians. I bet you'd like being sued, because it
would mean someone's actually paying attention to you losers. You
guys are so desperate to be noticed that I bet you offer to take a
dirty rodriguez from random men.
At least I have a life. I get laid more every night than you cum
garglers do in a lifetime.
Nobody cares about you... Nobody. if you guys were to die, noone
would notice. Hamsterdance.com is a better source of news. Hell, I
learn more from a minute there than an hour on reason.
You mornos should be thanking me - if it weren't for me, you guys
would have nothing to do but try to give head to chickens. BTW
how's that project coming along P.L.? Have you found their little
Mr. Happies yet? Keep looking. I'm sure you'll find it.
joe,
Then I guess it's a good thing campaign contributions don't
ever result in tax money being spent.
That is in fact the nature of the system and will *always* be the
nature of the system and it is one of the more important reasons
why libertarians argue that government should be decreased in size
and scope. In other words, and I'm not the first person to argue
this, getting access to public funds is like a lottery. So yeah, I
completely agree with your observation.
I don't think joe is so naive as to believe that if
contributions were limited that these congressmen would be more
likely to direct funds as dictated by the public good.
I'm sure that he would recognize that their penchant for using the
public purse to benefit favored interests would independent of the
way people give them money.
Of course, I wonder if that is the case, why even bother have
limitations on campaign finance? Who cares if the funds go to the
politician's brother in law rather than his biggest donor?
Incidentally, I propose a variant of a Turing test aimed at
trolls.
If posts from a troll cannot be reliably identified when mixed with
those of imitators, then the troll is not very smart or
original.
It seems a lot less profound when I type it out...
However, I think we should call it the Lefiti test. As in, "Lefiti
fails the Lefiti test."
Lefiti | November 17, 2008, 6:56pm | #
You Urkobold fucks better quit posting under my name. I'll fucking sue you and you'll have to move out of your moms' basement and into a cardboard box.
You assmonnkeys will always be insignificant. Dealt with it.
But Edweirdoooo, grandmama just got a new fridge and I already AM
in that box. I've painted a new flower pot on it, and I'll hang
some drapes, and the Noam Chomsky Blow Up Doll is coming over later
for tea.
Take down the quotes, turd munchers. I suggest you Urkobolds find an attorney to book some time with if you don't. Buttmunches.
BDB | November 17, 2008, 8:40pm | #
I find a critique of large-scale campaign contributions by an Obama
supporter ironic somehow.
Why? Obama's campaign funding is most notable for its unheard-of
reliance on small-scale campaign contributions.
Seward,
That is in fact the nature of the system and will *always* be
the nature of the system and it is one of the more important
reasons why libertarians argue that government should be decreased
in size and scope.
What makes you think that the people now bribing Congressmen to
give them goodies won't
just bribe them to expand the government to give them goodies? It
isn't rules that keep the powerful to exploiting their power to get
more goodies - if they're powerful, they can always get the rules
changed. It's pushback.
tarran,
tarran | November 18, 2008, 8:03am | #
I don't think joe is so naive as to believe that if contributions
were limited that these congressmen would be more likely to direct
funds as dictated by the public good.
I'm sure that he would recognize that their penchant for using the
public purse to benefit favored interests would independent of the
way people give them money.
Why didn't you direct this towards Balko for writing this post? He
pretty clearly seems to be "naive" enough to think that campaign
donations turn the budget process into - what's it called again?
Oh, yeah, "The Favor Factory."
And he seems to have the data to back it up.
Seriously, tarran, are you actually calling me "naive" for
believing that Congressmen, like everyone else, act in their
material self-interest?
I mean, that's crazy talk!
Only two congressmen named Russ and neither puts in
earmarks.
The honesty goes in after the name goes on. Or something.
"Why? Obama's campaign funding is most notable for its
unheard-of reliance on small-scale campaign contributions."
Contributors that want giveaways to liberal interests.
I wonder, BDB, how much influence do you think my twenty five bucks is going to get me in the establishment of the Obama administration's budgetary priorities?
"I wonder, BDB, how much influence do you think my twenty five
bucks is going to get me in the establishment of the Obama
administration's budgetary priorities?"
If there are 50,000 joes with liberal views who all contribute 25
bucks, probably a lot. After all if lets down the MoveOn/Kos crowd
by governing like a centrist, he isn't going to get their thousands
of small contributions next time, is he?
"Liberal views" mean a lot of things. They don't mean the sort
of thing one finds in the linked data - Congressmen X got $Y00,000
from some group, and sponsored earmarks sending that particular
organization $Z,000,000 in funding.
It would mean a broad orientation towards a certain political
philosophy which is widely endorsed by the President's
supporters.
For instance, would 50,000 liberal donors contributing $25 each translate into a $100 earmark for 50,000 different pet causes, the way the big donations from particular groups show up in the linked data?
"joe | November 18, 2008, 11:31am | #
For instance, would 50,000 liberal donors contributing $25 each
translate into a $100 earmark for 50,000 different pet causes, the
way the big donations from particular groups show up in the linked
data?"
No, it would be more broad and indirect than that but it is still a
kind of influence peddling. For example, if Obama got X thousands
of contributions from people on the MoveOn.org list, and MoveOn.org
says it wants card check, Obama better damn well try to get card
check or risk losing said contributors in 2012.
Had he taken the federal matching funds, he would have much more
room to move to the center because he wouldn't be as tied to a
liberal donor base.
OTOH, since the Obama team can see which states/areas of the country have given the most in small contributions, it will be interesting to see if these areas get goodies given out them.
Who the fuck knows who gave to Obama. He refuses to disclose names. The stories about people's credit cards being charged without their knowledge were rampant. And it is nobody's guess how many Chinese nationals contributed at the Clintons behest.
BDB,
No, it would be more broad and indirect than that but it is
still a kind of influence peddling.
Setting aside the loaded term "influence peddling," what you
describe is a much better system of governance.
Card check is an actual policy, with an actual poitical
constituency that draws its power from popular appeal, and
dispenses it benefits broadly. Compare this to a check being cut
from the federal treasury to some corporation that makes a
product.
The way you're using the term "influence peddling," it could apply
just as easily to votes as to donations. Is $25 from a MoveOn
member really more important than a vote from that member? I'll
tell you that a couple hundred grand from some defense contractor
is a lot more important than the votes of its boardmembers.
Who the fuck knows who gave to Obama. He refuses to disclose
names. The stories about people's credit cards being charged
without their knowledge were rampant. And it is nobody's guess how
many Chinese nationals contributed at the Clintons
behest.
Tee hee. I was worried that this high-grade Obamanoia would
disappear once the election happened.
Why won't he release the REAL birth certificates of his
donors?
"stories were rampant" Well, that's good enough for me - stories
being rampant on VDARE and TownHall and RedState about a humongous
conspiracy involving the Democrats' election. I WANT to
believe.
joe,
What makes you think that the people now bribing Congressmen to
give them goodies won't
just bribe them to expand the government to give them
goodies?
Well, that is an empirical question isn't it? Was most legislation
we see today created via "bribery," (I don't think of the lottery
aspect of the issue as bribery, BTW - public funding is just a zero
sum game), or out of some other concern?
It isn't rules that keep the powerful to exploiting their power
to get more goodies - if they're powerful, they can always get the
rules changed. It's pushback.
If there are no rules there is nothing to pushback with.
BDB,
I would note that small donors are not the only source of
contributions to the Obama campaign. The last I read they represent
only a little over half of the campaign contributions to that
campaign.
joe,
I would also note that you are I believe the proponent of a certain
set of rules generally referred to by the acronym CFR. I don't
believe those rules (whatever way they are drawn up) are in anyway
effective, but you too believe in rules apparently, as does
everyone else. Now I'm not going to get into a chicken and egg
debate, but rules are extremely important for actualizing human
society.
Well, that is an empirical question isn't it?
Yes, it is, Seward. Over a century ago, we had a government that
was much smaller than it is today, and rules that many thought
would keep it that way - and a plutocratic class that was able to
get whatever the hell they wanted anyway. And then, the government
got bigger.
I don't believe in magical government de-growifying machines. The
government will grow if the powers that be want it to grow. There
is some pretty solid empirical evidence for this proposition.
If there are no rules there is nothing to pushback with.
Yes, there is. There is the power of competing, or at least
different, groups, which can take the form of enforcing those
rules.
I would note that small donors are not the only source of
contributions to the Obama campaign. But they represent a
larger part of those contributions than any previous candidate -
which is why it is so odd to see BDB single out "Obama supporters"
as people uniquely ill-suited to denounce the power of big
donors.
Now I'm not going to get into a chicken and egg debate, but
rules are extremely important for actualizing human
society.
I'm making a "necessary but not sufficient" argument. It doesn't
matter how good any rules are, if the people who wish to break or
void them are unmet by an effective opposition.
joe,
...and a plutocratic class that was able to get whatever the
hell they wanted anyway.
And they get away even more with an enlarged state. Smith made this
very point in 1776 in The Wealth of Nations. Liberals have
long recognized that the wealthy are just as willing as any other
segment of society to use government to their own benefit, which is
one of the reasons why liberals see the growth of government in
size and scope as problematic. There are other reasons of course -
one allied to this is the general fear of concentrations of
power.
And then, the government got bigger.
Basically it got bigger at the behest of producers who were trying
to reduce the competitive nature of more open markets. Indeed, that
is exactly why the Sherman Anti-Trust Act came into being -
consumers were paying lower and lower prices on goods across the
board, however, certain sets of producers were clamoring to stop
such against "monopolistic" competition.
The government will grow if the powers that be want it to grow.
There is some pretty solid empirical evidence for this
proposition.
If that is the case then an ineffecient public lottery will
continue. If the government is passing out presents then people
will compete for them, and that competition leads to all the
problems progressives complain about.
Yes, there is. There is the power of competing, or at least
different, groups, which can take the form of enforcing those
rules.
The rules aren't important yet enforcing them is? What?
But they represent a larger part of those contributions than
any previous candidate...
Since government funding is based in large part on the notion of
small groups gaining large benefits from larger groups who
undertake small costs I'm not quite sure why that matters. Then
again, since government funding is mostly under the purview of the
Congress, that should be the primary locus of analysis, not the
Obama campaign.
I'm making a "necessary but not sufficient" argument. It
doesn't matter how good any rules are, if the people who wish to
break or void them are unmet by an effective opposition.
And it doesn't matter presumably how "good" the people are if the
rules suck. So both are presumably necessary.
I used to get all het up about earmarks, but let's be blunt - like NPR, they're a red-meat budget triviality dangled in front of people to make them slaver and ignore the other 99% of the money government spends.
That jackass Moran can't even do earmarks/pork right. I've lived in his district for the better part of 14 years and can't recall one major federally funded public works project that whole time.
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