Jacob Sullum | November 11, 2008
In a case the U.S. Supreme Court will hear tomorrow, followers of Summum, a 33-year-old sect that (per The New York Times) "contains elements of Egyptian faiths and Gnostic Christianity," are fighting for the right to erect a monument listing their Seven Aphorisms alongside a Fraternal Order of the Eagles monument displaying the Ten Commandments in a city park. Last year a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit ruled that Pleasant Grove City, Utah, violated Summum members' First Amendment right to freedom of speech by rejecting the monument they proposed to donate. The government "may not take sides in a theological debate," the church argues. Critics of the decision, including the Bush administration and various cities and states, say it would require governments that accept any donated displays on public property to approve virtually every other proposal, no matter how hideous, offensive, or idiotic. "Accepting a Statue of Liberty," the city says, should not "compel a government to accept a Statue of Tyranny." Tenth Circuit Judge Michael McConnell, who unsuccessfully urged the full court to rehear the case, has more in the same vein:
This means that Central Park in New York, which contains the privately donated Alice in Wonderland statue, must now allow other persons to erect Summum's "Seven Aphorisms," or whatever else they choose (short of offending a policy that narrowly serves a "compelling" governmental interest). Every park in the country that has accepted a VFW memorial is now a public forum for the erection of permanent fixed monuments; they must either remove the war memorials or brace themselves for an influx of clutter.
Significantly, the religious nature of the donated monuments is not relevant to the free speech question (though it would be to an Establishment Clause challenge). These cases happen to involve Ten Commandments monuments, but it could work the other way. A city that accepted the donation of a statue honoring a local hero could be forced, under the panel's rulings, to allow a local religious society to erect a Ten Commandments monument—or for that matter, a cross, a nativity scene, a statue of Zeus, or a Confederate flag.
The Summum church says governments that want to avoid such problems can decline to accept donated monuments (thereby creating a "public forum" where viewpoint discrimination is constitutionally suspect) or explicitly adopt the donors' message as their own (thereby transforming private speech into government speech). It does not mention park privatization as a third option.
In the June issue of reason, Jesse Walker noted how a similar controversy in Crossville, Tennessee, led to just the sort of monument proliferation McConnell fears.
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Geez, what a mess.
Seems like the easiest solution would be to give the couple of
dozen Summum followers a first class ticket back to
Gnosticstan.
Or maybe a popular vote on each monument erected?
Or maybe a popular vote on each monument erected?
What would be the point? The purpose of the first amendment is
ostensibly to protect the rights of the minority from the majority;
what you propose is just another way for the majority to violate
the minority's rights. Why not just skip that step, and let the
government---elected by the majority, after all---discriminate
openly?
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Seven Aphorisms of Summum
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No worse than most religious hoo-ha.
Do people have a right to a park? They have the right of access to public space, so I guess what we need is to privitize all space in the country? Let the Summums put up their statue on their own space, the Ba'al worhippers on theirs, and the VFW guys on theirs.
Let the Summum's put their monument up or don't put up anything
at all.
What is so goddamn hard to understand about freedom of speech?
What is so goddamn hard to understand about freedom of
speech?
Non-denominational theocracy doesn't like challenges to its market
dominance. It's like forcing McDonald's to have a Wendy's billboard
on the roof of every store.
This has always been the essence of my case against erecting The Ten Commandments on public property: if you allow one, you have to allow 'em all. The Catholic Commandments (none of that "no graven images" crap for me). The Koran (with all alternate spellings included, apostrophe or no). The Bagavad Gita (imagine "I Am Become Death" posted adjacent to your local VFW hall). Anton LaVey's Laws of Satanism ("Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name..."). Joseph Smith, Heaven's Gate, L. Ron Hubbard, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Lou Reed (some people think he's god), that homeless nutcase down the street who worships daily over a pile of pigeon bones...you gotta let 'em all in. Hallelujah! Or should that be Allelujah? Hari Lama? Well, you get the point...
"Accepting a Statue of Liberty," the city says, should not "compel a government to accept a Statue of Tyranny."
Well, that should take care of a lot of our problems right
there.
Oh. Statue.
I thought it said Statute.
Damn.
This means that Central Park in New York, which contains the
privately donated Alice in Wonderland statue, must now allow other
persons to erect Summum's "Seven Aphorisms," or whatever else they
choose (short of offending a policy that narrowly serves a
"compelling" governmental interest). Every park in the country that
has accepted a VFW memorial is now a public forum for the erection
of permanent fixed monuments; they must either remove the
war memorials or brace themselves for an influx of
clutter.
Duh!
Not that I advocate that they do this, but could Pleasant Grove City sell that the patch of their park where the VFW memorial stands to a private organization? I vaguely remember that the City of San Diego tried doing something similar with a cross that stood on some public hill there; don't remember how it turned out.
I would donate money to erect a Statue of Tyranny. But whose face should be on it?
it would require governments that accept any donated
displays on public property to approve virtually every other
proposal, no matter how hideous, offensive, or idiotic.
And the signal-to-noise ratio rapidly approaches zero.
Good.
"Accepting a Statue of Liberty," the city says, should not
"compel a government to accept a Statue of Tyranny."
Yet most cities will have the Ten Commandment monument while
rejecting all other non-Abrahamic religious expression. Funny how
quickly the very reasonable "we can't accommodate everybody"
quickly turns into "praise Jesus."
I would donate money to erect a Statue of Tyranny. But whose
face should be on it?
Just a mirror, that's all you need.
Critics of the decision, including the Bush administration
and various cities and states, say it would require governments
that accept any donated displays on public property to approve
virtually every other proposal, no matter how hideous, offensive,
or idiotic. "Accepting a Statue of Liberty," the city says, should
not "compel a government to accept a Statue of Tyranny."
This is just willfully stupid.
Maybe the willful stupidity was with the appeals court, for not
deciding this as an Establishment Clause case (I don't know, I
haven't read the case). If the appeals court issued a decision that
the erection of any public monument means that any and every
requested monument must also be erected, then they should all be
fired.
As an Establishment Clause case (which this should be, since it
started with the Ten Commandments), it wouldn't have a single thing
to say about secular monuments like the Statue of Liberty.
I would donate money to erect a Statue of Tyranny. But whose
face should be on it?
It would have to be redone every 4 - 8 years, after the
Presidential election, no?
I would donate money to erect a Statue of Tyranny. But whose
face should be on it?
It should be, like, a mirror, man, because we all have the roots of
tyranny in us, man.
(To be read in an overcome by a stoned insight while rapping in
one's dorm room at 3 am tone of voice for full effect.)
Oops. Sorry, about that, kinnath. I posted before I saw your comment.
"I would donate money to erect a Statue of Tyranny. But whose
face should be on it?"
Carrot Top's
Sounds like a city could ban donated monuments, and then arrange to "buy" the ones it wanted from a group for a nominal sum like $1.
If the appeals court issued a decision that the erection of
any public monument means that any and every requested monument
must also be erected, then they should all be fired.
Dean, I believe the point in this case was that the monument in
question wasn't "erected" by the government. They only "accepted a
donation" of a monument.
The government could not erect a statue praising the 10
Commandments itself, because of the Establishment Clause. It tried
to get around the Establishment Clause by "accepting a donation"
from a private group. Now that a private group has been allowed to
erect - sorry, "donate" - their religious message, these crunchy
folks want to "donate" their message, too.
The appeal court's ability to issue a clear decision was
handicapped by the bad faith of one of the parties.
The obvious way to resolve the case is to say that when a
government body accepts a private donation of a monument, it is
endorsing the viewpoint of that monument. There's no problem with
the state doing that for a purely secular message like "Remember
Our WWII Veterans" or something like that - because the state
erects its own similar monuments all the time. It would, of course,
mean that ALL religiously-themed monuments would be out.
If you practice psychokinesis and rhythm, can you tap somebody else's foot in time to the music?
a statue of Zeus
At first blush I though this read "statue of
Zaius," which of course would be just fine.
Critics of the decision, including the Bush administration
and various cities and states, say it would require governments
that accept any donated displays on public property to approve
virtually every other proposal, no matter how hideous, offensive,
or idiotic.
I would also like to note that this means that the defense is
saying, "Sure, we accepted the 10 Commandments monument, 'cause
that's 'normal', but we want to reject this other monument, because
it's hideous, offensive and idiotic." How can anyone not
immediately see that exercising this judgment when comparing
two religious monuments is in and of itself a violation of the
Establishment Clause?
I don't think it matters for Establishment Clause purposes
whether the monument was paid for by public funds or donated, as
long as it stands on public property.
In that case, other religious monuments should also be accepted, no
questions asked.
However, the requirement for equal treatment of religions does not
have anything to do with the Statue of Liberty or other secular
monuments.
So, if the opponents of this decision are saying that an
Establishment Clause decision applies to anything other than
religious monuments, they are either monumentally (heh) stupid, or
arguing in bad faith.
If its not an Establishment Clause decision, then the appeals court
is too dumb to be judges.
It is pretty easy to call this one. Secular statues are not the
issue, religious symbols are.
With secular statues, since there is no need to treat anyone
equally, the public can reject or accept, based on purely aesthetic
reasons.
Is there no shortage of churches to post the Ten Commandments in public view on their property? I'm reminded of a case in Penna. where the county govt fought long and hard (and successfully) to keep the 10Cs on the courthouse wall, but none of the four or five churches in a four block radius troubled themselves to post these "transcendant rules for living" on their lawns.
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So, are they for 'em or agin' 'em?
Let's start a fund to place a GIANT statue of Jupiter Optimus Maximus outside every federal appellate court in the land. He's basically the ultimate terrible god and a pretty strong symbol of a state sponsored religion. Zeus is pretty much the same thing, but he lacks that extra imperial pep to really make the irony sting.
"Sure, we accepted the 10 Commandments monument, 'cause that's
'normal', but we want to reject this other monument, because it's
hideous, offensive and idiotic." How can anyone not immediately see
that exercising this judgment when comparing two religious
monuments is in and of itself a violation of the Establishment
Clause?"
Well said.
McConnell is a straight up theocon, screw him.
Does the pleasure of insulting the Ten Commandments give folks
such a thrill as to let them gloss over the fairly radical
implications of the Tenth Circuit opinion?
Consider that the ruling applies to sculptures and statuary of all
kinds, religious and non-religious, on government property. That
includes the George Washington statues in
Washington Circle (DC) and the the
Capitol Building.
Say that the Loyalist Association wanted to put statues of Benedict
Arnold in both these places. Under the Tenth Circuit ruling, the
federal courts would have to hold a hearing at which the federal
government would have to justify its exclusion of Arnold's statue
from these public places. The courts, not the officials actually
administering the property, would get to decide whether to tolerate
the "viewpoint discrimination" of having a Washington statue
without accompanying it with a statue of the traitor. The burden
would be on those who wanted to exclude Arnold's statues. After
all, who is to say that only a single point of view should be
represented by statues in a public place? Who's to say that
Arnold's disloyalty to America was any more wrong than Washington's
"disloyalty" to George III?
And H&R commenters would have the chance to post innumerable
snarky comments about the uneducated rubes who want their belief in
George Washington affirmed in public statuary. Why not honor
Washington on private property if you care so much about him, huh?
Why do you want to impose your private beliefs on me, man?
As a true and gnostic christian, I'm more in favor of the Ethic
of Reciprocity, or something more like "Love is the Law" reflecting
Jesus's sentimentes of the indwelling spirit of the divine.
The old testament laws are the laws of Sammael. So serve up some
pork chops and lets have fun.
Mad Max
Please give me a neutral principle that would uphold the
governments in question erecting privately donated monuments of the
type they have allowed but not the ones they have forbid. On what
grounds can they forbid the ones they have? They don't like the
viewpoint? Clutter?
First past the post?
Here's the "neutral principle" - the government gets to decide
what statues to put on property it owns.
Could you articulate a principle which would keep a "privately
donated" Benedict Arnold statue out of the U.S. Capitol, or out of
public places where there's already a Washington statue?
There is a vacant niche for Benedict Arnold's statue on the
Saratoga National Historical Park, administered by the U.S.
Park Service at the site of the American victory at the Battle of
Saratoga (1777). There are statues of the other American generals.
What is the "neutral principle" which justifies omitting a statue
of Arnold? For that matter, what is the "neutral principle" which
justifies leaving out statues of the British generals at
Saratoga?
Mad Max
So the government putting large statues of Jesus on their property
is OK? No establishment clause problem there? Or huge tablets with
John 3:16 on them?
Or better yet since you are arguing for a wider viewpoint stance,
can governments around the nation put up large momuments that say
"Libertarianism Sucks Ass?"
How about a big tablet that says "The government of ____ county
endorses Christianity, specifically Evangelical Lutheranism, as the
one and true religion."
According to your principle that passes.
Max,
Once again, the ruling applies to donated monuments.
The monuments in the Capitol were procured by the government.
If the state allows one group to donate a monument, they are in
effect allowing that group to engage in permanent speech
on that public property. And if one group is to be allowed to do
this, all groups must be so allowed. And the state has no right to
make any distinction on the basis of content or even aesthetics. It
simply has no right to make those sorts of distinctions, any more
than you could allow one protest and then ban another on public
property.
If it's important to have monuments on our public grounds, then
they should only be erected by the state itself. That way there is
no issue of favoritism of one group over another, and the state's
design choices would be suitably limited by the Establishment
Clause. Because RC may disagree with me, but I still contend that
the entire point of having a "private" donated monument was an
attempt to evade the Establishment Clause; an attempt which has now
blown up in the government's face.
Here is the
Tenth Circuit decision which started all the fuss. It's the
precedent for the case now being litigated against Pleasant Grove.
Please note that the judges do not limit themselves to the
"Establishment clause" issue. If that were the only issue, then the
remedy would be simple - order the religious monument in question
to be torn down, like the federal courts ordered with Roy Moore's
monument. Of course I have a problem with that, but it's irrelevant
to the 10th Circuit's actual decision.
(Incidentally, do not assume that the decision requires religious
neutrality. Quite the contrary. Far from excluding religious
expression from public property, it gives a privileged status to
wealthy religious groups which can afford to commission statues and
monuments and place these statues and monuments in public parks,
and then to litigate the issue with recalcitrant . The Summum
outfit obviously has the money to do all these things. A local
nondenominational church, or a private individual of the "spiritual
but not religious" persuasion, does not have these resources, so in
effect the 10th Circuit (in H&R terms) has "established"
wealthy religions at the expense of non-wealthy ones.)
The 10th Circuit based its decision on the First Amendment's Free
Speech Clause, which protects speech on religious topics and speech
on non-religious topics. In other words, the principles of the
decision apply to privately-donated George Washington statues as
well as to privately-donated Ten Commandments monuments.
To be sure, you could argue that the government is in the clear so
long as it pays for its own George Washington statue instead of
accepting it as a donation from patriotic citizens. Similarly, the
10th Circuit decision does not apply to the giant Our Lady of the Rockies
statue overlooking Butte, Montana (caution: may cause apoplexy
in secularists). This statue was *not* solely financed through
private donations, as their Web site explains:
"On December 17, 1985, a NCh-54 Sikorsky Sky Crane lifted the
statue in four sections to the top of the Continental Divide. The
team that deftly executed the delicate operation were from the Army
National Guard's Army Aviation Support Facility, the 137th Aviation
Co. from the Reno-Stead Airport in Nevada.
"Supported by the Montana National Guard, the U.S. Army Reserve
from Butte, and teams of civilian workers, the final head section
was placed atop the statue, while thousands watched and honked
their car horns and rang church bells throughout the valley, at
4:07 pm Mountain Standard Time on December 20, 1985."
So you see, if a statue or monument was erected and constructed by
the government, at taxpayer expense, it *doesn't* come within the
rationale of the 10th Circuit's decision.
In contrast, if a government accepts a privately-donated Washington
statue, financed solely through private contributions, then it will
be hard put to defend itself in a lawsuit by the Loyalist
Association, seeking to erect a Benedict Arnold statue.
". . . RC may disagree with me, but I still contend that the entire
point of having a "private" donated monument was an attempt to
evade the Establishment Clause; an attempt which has now blown up
in the government's face."
Many of these privately-donated Ten Commandments monuments were
donated *before* the federal courts had "discovered" that religious
monuments violated the First Amendment. Therefore, there was
nothing at that time to "evade."
This sounds a bit like a tragedy of the commons problem. If a town is worried about the park becoming too cluttered, it can designate a hand full of spots in the part for monutments and auction them off to the highest bidder.
Wow Mad Max, you accomplished not answering or addressing fluffy or my questions/concerns above at all...
CED (or simply D),
Could you clarify for me the distinction between "you didn't answer
me" and "I didn't like your answer"?
I already addressed your Lutheranism hypothetical by pointing out
that the federal courts would address that problem under a
different constitutional provision than is involved in the 10th
Circuit monument cases. The Lutheran monument would have been ruled
an establishment of religion and the court would order it
removed.
The 10th Circuit didn't invoke the Establishment clause - it
invoked "Free Speech." If there's one privately donated monument in
a park, other privately donated monuments are presumptively
entitled to access.
The 10th Circuit has gone beyond "Remove that Unconstitutional
monument immediately" into "let a hundred monuments bloom!"
As to fluffy, I've already replied to his donated-monument argument
by saying that if someone donated a George Washington statue to a
public place, the Loyalist Association could clamor for the right
to put up a Benedict Arnold statue.
I wonder if either of you could comment about whether a government
could accept a George Washington statute and reject an Arnold
statue, and if so under what "neutral principle."
I wonder if either of you could comment about whether a
government could accept a George Washington statute and reject an
Arnold statue, and if so under what "neutral principle."
The Court of Appeals ruling on free speech is interesting. Perhaps
a government shouldn't be allowed to put a George Washington statue
in a public place without also being willing to put a donated
Benedict Arnold statue. Have to think about it.
However, displaying the Ten Commadments in a public space is a
violation of the Establishment Clause no matter what the Court of
Appeals ruled.
"However, displaying the Ten Commadments in a public space is a
violation of the Establishment Clause no matter what the Court of
Appeals ruled."
The 10th Circuit didn't deal with that issue in this particular
case. In general, the federal courts allow religious monuments to
be "grandfathered" - if they're several decades old, then the
religious component is believed to have been eroded, as opposed to
a newly-installed religious monument, where the religious motive is
fresh and blatant (as with Roy Moore).
Of course, I suspect the federal courts have other reasons for
"grandfathering" old monuments - these monuments were installed in
good faith, before anyone, even the federal courts, thought this
was "unconstitutional." To change course now and demand the
uprooting of old monuments - including perhaps the pictures of
Moses, Muhammad and the Ten Commandments in the U.S. Supreme Court
building - would simply underline how recent the whole
Establishment-Clause jurisprudence really is. And it would entail a
great uprooting of local traditions.
So in a way, a group like Summum gives the federal courts an
alternate route to taking religion out of the public square. By
intalling monuments from all sorts of groups, the courts will be
reducing the identification of public spaces with a specifically
Christian sensibility. Put an FSM statue and a Buddhist pagoda in
the park alongside the Ten Commandments, and it takes the sting out
of the Christian message of the place.
The 10th Circuit didn't deal with that issue in this
particular case. In general, the federal courts allow religious
monuments to be "grandfathered" - if they're several decades old,
then the religious component is believed to have been eroded, as
opposed to a newly-installed religious monument, where the
religious motive is fresh and blatant (as with Roy
Moore).
I don't have a problem with grandfathering historical religious
monuments. I didn't have time to read the entire ruling, so I was
just going by this line in the Conclusion: "For the foregoing
reasons, we (1) AFFIRM the district court ruling in so far as that
ruling granted summary judgment in favor of the City of Ogden as to
Summum's Establishment Clause claim..."
Mad Max hit upon an interesting point -- grandfathering
historical religious monuments. My hope is, it could be something
we could appreciate as part of our past, once we (eventually) move
past it. Simply let those carved stones be to us as the pyramids
are to modern residents of Cairo: quaint reminders of a
superstitious history.
Secular statuary donations on publicly-owned land? Well, if I'm
paying tax dollars for the upkeep, I'd like a say in what's shown
there. If you put it up without my say, I want my money back.
Maybe I'd prefer not to pay for that park, but then again, nobody
asked me.
I have to say, though - that Summum group's got quartz balls (kooky
as they are). More power to 'em, for at least challenging the
Judeo-Christian paradigm.
"To be sure, you could argue that the government is in the clear
so long as it pays for its own George Washington statue instead of
accepting it as a donation from patriotic citizens."
You've answered your own question.
But if they accept donations then yes they have to take the Arnold
statue too.
"if they accept donations then yes they have to take the Arnold
statue too."
Let me try a variation on the ol' *Reason* drinking game.
For a foundation which urges governments to save money by letting
private enterprise perform many of its functions, the Reason
Foundation (via this magazine) sure seems willing to sabotage such
public/private partnerships where statues and monuments in public
parks are concerned.
If the government wants control over the monuments and statues in
its own public places, then apparently they will have to dip into
taxpayers' pockets to have the job done by government workers. If
they accept private donations, then they are bound to cede control
over their public spaces to the donor community.
The 10th Circuit calls this a "limited public forum." Limited,
indeed! It used to be said (before the Internet) that "freedom of
the press belongs to those who own a press." Now, with the 10th
Circuit approach (which Reason seems to back), then the freedom of
monumental expression belongs to those who can privately commission
statues and monuments.
And according to this approach, if that means a statue honoring
*Benedict Arnold,* then so be it.
All this foolishness - just to justify a crusade against religion
in the public square!
Because RC may disagree with me, but I still contend that
the entire point of having a "private" donated monument was an
attempt to evade the Establishment Clause; an attempt which has now
blown up in the government's face.
I don't doubt that at all.
For the foregoing reasons, we (1) AFFIRM the district court
ruling in so far as that ruling granted summary judgment in favor
of the City of Ogden as to Summum's Establishment Clause
claim
There you have it. Its an Establishment Clause case. It in no way
applies to secular monuments like the Statue of Liberty. That means
anyone saying that it does is either stupid or disingenuous.
The Summum have a pyramid shaped church just as Jesus, the
capstone described.
Clearly, these people have some spiritual insights that the mongrel
masses of abrahamic demiurge worshippers lack.
RC Dean,
You only quoted *part* of the Conclusion of the opinion. Here it is
in full:
"III. CONCLUSION
"The Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment compels the City of
Ogden to treat with equal dignity speech from divergent religious
perspectives. On these facts, the City cannot display the Ten
Commandments Monument while declining to display the Seven
Principles Monument.
"For the foregoing reasons, we (1) AFFIRM the district court ruling
in so far as that ruling granted summary judgment in favor of the
City of Ogden as to Summum's Establishment Clause claim and (2)
REVERSE the district court ruling in so far as that ruling granted
summary judgment in favor of the City of Ogden on Summum's Free
Speech Clause claim. We REMAND for further proceedings consistent
with this opinion."
Ogden (sayeth court) created a limited public forum for religious
monuments, so it had to allow diverse religious perspectives.
Likewise, if it accepted a Washington statue, the city would have
created a limited public forum for historical expression, or
discusson of historical figures, or in any event for Washington and
Arnold.
If you go upthread to the article, you will see this
confirmed:
"Significantly, the religious nature of the donated monuments is
not relevant to the free speech question (though it would be to an
Establishment Clause challenge). These cases happen to involve Ten
Commandments monuments, but it could work the other way. A city
that accepted the donation of a statue honoring a local hero could
be forced, under the panel's rulings, to allow a local religious
society to erect a Ten Commandments monument-or for that matter, a
cross, a nativity scene, a statue of Zeus, or a Confederate
flag."
"summary judgment in favor of the City of Ogden" means that the
city *won* - that is, that it hadn't violated the Establishment
Clause. That's what the appeals court upheld. The appeals court
agreed that there was no Establishment Clause violation.
From the opinion:
"At oral argument, Summum's counsel conceded that, absent en banc
reconsideration of Anderson v. Salt Lake City Corp., 475 F.2d 29,
30-34 (10th Cir. 1973), this panel could not reverse the district
court's grant of summary judgment, in favor of the City of Ogden,
on Summum's Establishment Clause claim. Given Summum's concession,
we decline to further consider this issue and thus affirm that
portion of the district court's order pertaining to Summum's
Establishment Clause claim.
"We do address Summum's arguments in regard to the Free Speech
Clause; we conclude that Summum has demonstrated the City of
Ogden's violation of Summum's rights under this clause of the First
Amendment and, hence, we reverse the district court's grant of
summary judgment on this issue."
The Pleasant Grove decision (now on appeal to the Supreme Court)
is even more extreme than the Ogden decision. The Ogden court left
open the possibility that the government has some flexibility in
excluding monuments, so long as they don't "discriminate" based on
viewpoint. "Washington was a hero, Arnold was a traitor; therefore
you can glorify Washington but not Arnold" would be an example of
viewpoint discrimination. But this left open the possibility that
the government could at least limit the statutes in the park to
(say) historically-relevant figures (Washington and Arnold yes,
Mickey Mouse no). This would allow parks to be treated as "limited
public forums" where there is *some* discretion to prescribe
standards for monuments/statues.
In the Pleasant Grove case, the court held that, as far as the
right to place monuments/statutes in parks is concerned, parks are
"traditional public forums." That allows even less discretion for
the government. If there's a privately donated Washington statue
(or a 10 Commandments monument), then the government must also
accept a Mickey Mouse statue, or an abstract sculpture, regardless
of some kind of thematic relevance. The exception would be if
there's a compelling interest in excluding a statue, but that
rarely happens.
So we see where this is going - their previous ruling wasn't crazy
enough, so they have to get crazier. Only the Supreme Court can put
a stop to it - assuming they want to.
And did you notice the dissent in the Pleasant Grove case - to
quote it again,
"A city that accepted the donation of a statue honoring a local
hero could be forced, under the panel's rulings, to allow a local
religious society to erect a Ten Commandments monument-or for that
matter, a cross, a nativity scene, a statue of Zeus, or a
Confederate flag."
This means that, under the 10th circuit's latest decree, a
government could be *forced* to introduce religious monuments into
public parks which had previously been *free* from such
monuments.
The quoted dissenter accepted the Ogden precedent, but didn't want to stretch it as far as his colleagues did in the Pleasant Grove case. The Supreme Court doesn't have to follow 10th Circuit precedents, so they can overrule the Ogden decision if they want to, using the Pleasant Grove case as the opportunity to do so.
Thanks, Max.
So I'm back to: the court(s) are idiots.
And I'm lazy, for not doing the spadework on the opinion.
Under a literal reading of the First Amendment's "freedom of speech" clause, a statue would only have rights if if it could talk.
Let me try a variation on the ol' *Reason* drinking
game.
Are you promoting the opinions of commenters on this blog to be
official positions of Reason?
So we see where this is going - their previous ruling wasn't
crazy enough, so they have to get crazier.
I'm not sure it's crazy to say that governments shouldn't be
putting statues of George Washington up in public parks while
excluding statues of Benedict Arnold. Government has no compelling
interest in promoting certain historical figures as heroes, or in
displaying public art that takes a side on any other
ideologically-charged or controversial matters.
It wouldn't be such an awful world if the local lady's historical
society had to buy their own little plot of land to put up a statue
of Washington, or the VFW had to buy their own little plot
of land to put up a Ten Commandments monument.
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