Damon W. Root | October 24, 2008
The New York Review of Books asked a number of its high profile contributors for their take on the upcoming election (Spoiler Alert: They're all in favor of Barack Obama). Gary Wills made a particularly strong case for why the Republicans should lose:
When Dick Cheney was vetting the last two candidates for the [Supreme] Court, he did not really care about their views on abortion. He concentrated on their attitude toward the many executive usurpations of the Bush administration, and he was satisfied on this account with John Roberts and with Sam Alito.
When Charles Gibson was questioning Governor Palin, he should not have asked about the Bush Doctrine (a wavering concept, and touching only one matter, war). He should have asked for her views on the unitary executive—the question Cheney asked the Court nominees. That is what matters most to the Bush people. It affects all the executive usurpations of the last seven years—not only the right of the president to wage undeclared wars, but his right to create military courts, to authorize extraordinary renditions, secret prisons, more severely coercive interrogation, trials with undisclosed evidence, domestic surveillance, and the overriding of congressional oversight in every aspect of government from energy policy to health services.
The use of presidential signing statements to undermine federal law has been another aspect of Bush's executive power grab. As The Boston Globe's Charlie Savage has extensively reported, Bush has issued more than a 1100 signing statements claiming the authority to reject or ignore portions of the very laws he has just signed.
In December 2005, for instance, Bush signed the Department of Defense, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations to Address Hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, and Pandemic Influenza Act. This exhaustively titled bill was most notable for containing the so-called McCain Amendment, which prohibited "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment of persons under custody or control of the United States government."
At the time, the bill's passage was seen as a victory against waterboarding and other torture tactics. But consider the passage from Bush's signing statement that specifically refers to the McCain Amendment:
The executive branch shall construe Title X in Division A of the Act, relating to detainees, in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power.
President Bush, in other words, would be waging the War on Terror as he saw fit, regardless of what Congress or the courts had to say about it.
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ep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) said Democrats will push for a
stimulus package after the November election, and called for a
package reducing defense spending by 25 percent while saying
Congress will "eventually" raise taxes.
Frank told the editorial board of the SouthCoast Standard-Times
that he wanted to reduce defense spending by a quarter, meaning the
United States would have to withdraw from Iraq sooner.
From the piece:
"What they'll do with that victory is another question, but for
now, at least, the prospects for a new New Deal are looking bright
again." -- Krugman, of course.
Ugh. Pudong Development Zone, here I come!
I have a question or two for all you neocons sycophants who've
been cheering GWB on as he abused the constitution for almost 8
years.
It's almost Obama's turn, does it still seem like a good idea? The
wars on terror, in Iraq and Afghanistan are still unwon, do you
concede that Obama has the same executive authority as Bush the
lesser appropriated (with the consent of a GOP congress?
IOW, thanks a lot assholes.
Look, that's all very interesting and if my recollection of
Schoolhouse Rock is accurate, this is not how the constitution says
a bill should become law. (Note: I'm being glib here, but I'm with
you on the signing statements thing. Veto the law or don't, but
don't pass it and then say, "Yeah, I'm signing this, but never
mind.")
That said, Bush isn't running this year. Obama, however, is
running. What I'm wondering is, has he given any indication
whatsoever that he'll put a stop to the signing statements? Or has
he left that door open?
The delights of the unitary executive. Early in his administration, Bush upheld less than compelling Clinton claims to executive privilege regarding document disclosure. Bush's successor (either/or) will no doubt return the favor to keep the power trip rolling.
I might be remembering wrong, but didn't McCain rule out issuing any signing statements, and Obama equivocate a bit?
IOW, thanks a lot assholes.
Oh, don't worry so much J sub D. I'm sure the GOP will find their
long lost balls when they settle in as the minority party.
What is the big deal about signing statements? A President has not only the authority but the duty to interpret legislation in a way that harmonizes the legislation with the Constitution.Legislation is frequently ambiguous, sometimes designedly so. Interpretaion of laws is hardly the sole prerogative of the judiciary. Court's routinely defer to agency interpretation, and last time I looked agencies are part of the executive branch. If the President's interpretation is wrong,the judiciary can rectify the situation; if a political question makes the controversy injusticiable, the Congress has its own remedies. To repeat the mantra that signing statements constitute some kind of usurpation is just ignorant
Congressmen routinely vote for legislation that they know to be
Unconstitutional, and Presidents (including Bush) routinely sign
this same legislation.
Is this because only the Judicial branch has a line item veto,
allowing it to strip unconstitutional segments out from a larger
law? Yes, I know this isn't really a veto.
Bush doesn't really have that option. He has to veto the whole
thing.
The horse-trading nature of Congress also makes this difficult,
though obviously not impossible.
So, while I would prefer that the President veto such things, my
second choice would be for him to refuse to enforce
Unconstitutional provisions.
And obviously we all think we're voting for the guy who will best
do that.
The New York Review of Books asked a number of its high
profile contributors for their take on the upcoming election
(Spoiler Alert: They're all in favor of Barack Obama).
Wow. I never saw that coming.
He should have asked for her views on the unitary
executive
Palin: Bush is a Unitarian? Let's get 'em!!
"That said, Bush isn't running this year. Obama, however, is
running. What I'm wondering is, has he given any indication
whatsoever that he'll put a stop to the signing statements? Or has
he left that door open?"
With a Dem Congress, he won't need them.
Frank told the editorial board of the SouthCoast
Standard-Times that he wanted to reduce defense spending by a
quarter, meaning the United States would have to withdraw from Iraq
sooner.
Stupid question: if the goal is simply to get the troops out of
Iraq as soon as possible, why don't they just cut the funding for
operations in Iraq now?
The executive branch shall construe Title X in Division A of
the Act, relating to detainees, in a manner consistent with the
constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary
executive branch
Not sure what might have been in the bill that would intrude on the
President's supervisory authority over executive staff, but if this
is saying that the President declines to implement unconsitutional
provisions of the bill (unconstitutional because they violate the
separation of powers), what's the problem with that?
and as Commander in Chief
Again, if the President is merely stating his intention not to act
unconstitutionally by implementing the legislation in an
unconstitutional way, what's the problem?
and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the
judicial power.
We shouldn't be violating constitutional limitations on any
branch's power, yes?
President Bush, in other words, would be waging the War on
Terror as he saw fit, regardless of what Congress or the courts had
to say about it.
That strikes me as a highly tendentious reading of the previous
paragraph.
Really, the interesting question is whether the President
will/should defer to a Supreme Court finding that some application
of this bill that the President claims would be unconstitional is,
in the SCOTUS's opinion, constitutional. Is the President required
to subordinate his opinion about Constitutionality to that of the
SCOTUS? I think you can make that case, and I don't see anything in
the signing statement to the contrary.
"""Oh, don't worry so much J sub D. I'm sure the GOP will find
their long lost balls when they settle in as the minority
party."""
I think the GOP has shown they have big balls with some of the shit
they've tried to pull and pulled on the citiznery. Or did you mean
the balls to wield real oversight?
Palin: Bush is a unitarian, he can eat whatever he wants
Is the President required to subordinate his opinion about
Constitutionality to that of the SCOTUS?
I believe he is.
If the President has issues with the bill he can veto it, but I
don't know where the President gets the authority to decide whether
or not portions of a bill are unconstitutional.
Bills that get passed in Congress aren't part of a buffet that the
Pres. gets to pick what he is likes and ignore what he doesn't. I
do believe only the Supremes get to decide the Constitutionality of
a law once it gets signed.
why don't they just cut the funding for operations in Iraq
now?
Because then they wouldn't have anything to run against. And
heavens, the GOP might actually be right! Much better to let the
Republicans do the hard work while the Dems score cheap political
points.
It's the same reason that the GOP didn't pass moderate restrictions
on abortion when it had the chance. Then the "every sperm is
sacred" crowd would lose their influence, and influence is more
important than actually accomplishing something.
(Spoiler Alert: They're all in favor of Barack Obama).
Say it ain't so.
"I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don't know. They're outside my ken. But sometimes when I'm in a theater I can feel them." --Pauline Kael of The New Yorker
He concentrated on their attitude toward the many executive usurpations of the Bush administration, and he was satisfied on this account with John Roberts and with Sam Alito.
The Democrats are wetting themselves.
Is the President required to subordinate his opinion about
Constitutionality to that of the SCOTUS?
I believe he is.
I tend to agree - someone has to have the last say, and I think
SCOTUS is probably the right arbiter of last resort.
Still, it is not at all unusual to see SCOTUS look at a law and
say, if you interpret/apply it this way, its Constitutional, but if
you interpret/apply it another way, its not.
Why can't the President do the same thing? It seems like SCOTUS
would have two alternatives in that case
(1) The President's "interpretation" is not consistent with the
actual language of the law. Sure, but there is a very long history
of SCOTUS deferring to executive branch agencies interpreting the
law; it would be odd indeed for SCOTUS to give more deference to
(subordinate) agencies than to the President himself.
(2) The President's interpretation isn't Constitutional. This would
mean either the law is stricken as a whole, or the SCOTUS tells us
what the Constitutional application of the law is.
Neither of these is inconsistent in the least with signing
statements. The Executive will be interpreting the laws it applies;
why shouldn't it do so explicitly?
Stupid question: if the goal is simply to get the troops out
of Iraq as soon as possible, why don't they just cut the funding
for operations in Iraq now?
Votes. It is that venal. If they cut off funding to what
they believe is an illegal or immoral or just plain stupid war, it
might cost them votes. Better for Americans and Iraqis to
continue dying over a tilting the windmill effort to bring freedom
and democracy to Arabia than to lose votes. After Obama is
inaugurated, the deaths will continue because Dems don't want to be
the ones who "lost Iraq". They fear it would cost them
votes.
In the upside down world of Washington DC, this is called
leadership.
"...if this is saying that the President declines to
implement unconsitutional provisions of the bill (unconstitutional
because they violate the separation of powers), what's the problem
with that?"
The problem is that the President does not get to decide if a law
passed by Congress is constitutional or not. He can either veto the
bill (for any reason he sees fit) or perform his constitutional
duty to "faithfully execute the laws." The laws, as we all no doubt
recall, are passed by Congress.
I am sure that we also recall that the constitution says something
about Congress making rules for the regulation of the Armed Forces
(maybe something like "the Armed Forces may not torture people" if
the Congress cared to make such a rule) and that nowhere - NOWHERE
- does it says that the President may, in his role as Commander in
Chief during war or peace, ignore the law.
Signing statements are simply a way for a President to faithlessly
execute the laws and not only a naked power grab but also a failure
to live up to the oath of office.
Stupid question: if the goal is simply to get the troops out
of Iraq as soon as possible...
It's not. The goal is to get them out as soon as it is
feasible.
Nice and easy. No sudden movements. Like driving on ice.
All this talk of executive power led me to take pleasurable
refuge in a passage of the Declaration of Independence, one with
chilling and amusing relevance to the thread, no?
"He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms
of Officers to harass our People, and eat out their
Substance."
The 56 signers are referring, of course, to the King of
England.
If signing statements were just about interpreting laws in a way that harmonizes them with the Constitution, we wouldn't be having this debate. Likewise, if signing statements with phrases like "consistent with his power as commander in chief" weren't code words for "The Decider Decides" then signing statements wouldn't be all that controversial.
"Of all the cares or concerns of government, the direction of
war most peculiarly demands those qualities which distinguish the
exercise of power by a single hand. The direction of war implies
the direction of the common strength; and the power of directing
and employing the common strength, forms a usual and essential part
in the definition of the executive authority."-Federalist #74
"But I do not think the rule at all applicable to the executive
power. I clearly concur in opinion, in this particular, with a
writer whom the celebrated Junius pronounces to be "deep, solid,
and ingenious," that "the executive power is more easily confined
when it is ONE";2 that it is far more safe there should be a single
object for the jealousy and watchfulness of the people; and, in a
word, that all multiplication of the Executive is rather dangerous
than friendly to liberty.
I will only add that, prior to the appearance of the Constitution,
I rarely met with an intelligent man from any of the States, who
did not admit, as the result of experience, that the UNITY of the
executive of this State was one of the best of the distinguishing
features of our constitution."-Federalist #70
The people who favored the Constitution clearly thought the
President headed a "unitary executive".
"...there is no pretense for the parallel which has been
attempted between [the president] and the king of Great Britain.
But to render the contrast in this respect still more striking, it
may be of use to throw the principal circumstances of dissimilitude
into a closer group.
The President of the United States would be an officer elected by
the people for FOUR years; the king of Great Britain is a perpetual
and HEREDITARY prince. The one would be amenable to personal
punishment and disgrace; the person of the other is sacred and
inviolable. The one would have a QUALIFIED negative upon the acts
of the legislative body; the other has an ABSOLUTE negative. The
one would have a right to command the military and naval forces of
the nation; the other, in addition to this right, possesses that of
DECLARING war, and of RAISING and REGULATING fleets and armies by
his own authority. The one would have a concurrent power with a
branch of the legislature in the formation of treaties; the other
is the SOLE POSSESSOR of the power of making treaties. The one
would have a like concurrent authority in appointing to offices;
the other is the sole author of all appointments. The one can
confer no privileges whatever; the other can make denizens of
aliens, noblemen of commoners; can erect corporations with all the
rights incident to corporate bodies. The one can prescribe no rules
concerning the commerce or currency of the nation; the other is in
several respects the arbiter of commerce, and in this capacity can
establish markets and fairs, can regulate weights and measures, can
lay embargoes for a limited time, can coin money, can authorize or
prohibit the circulation of foreign coin. The one has no particle
of spiritual jurisdiction; the other is the supreme head and
governor of the national church! What answer shall we give to those
who would persuade us that things so unlike resemble each other?
The same that ought to be given to those who tell us that a
government, the whole power of which would be in the hands of the
elective and periodical servants of the people, is an aristocracy,
a monarchy, and a despotism."- Federalist #69
Though they also thought the legitimate method of the executive
avoiding the legislature's interference in the president's powers
was, the veto.The propriety of a negative has, upon some occasions,
been combated by an observation, that it was not to be presumed a
single man would possess more virtue and wisdom than a number of
men; and that unless this presumption should be entertained, it
would be improper to give the executive magistrate any species of
control over the legislative body.
But this observation, when examined, will appear rather specious
than solid. The propriety of the thing does not turn upon the
supposition of superior wisdom or virtue in the Executive, but upon
the supposition that the legislature will not be infallible; that
the love of power may sometimes betray it into a disposition to
encroach upon the rights of other members of the government; that a
spirit of faction may sometimes pervert its deliberations; that
impressions of the moment may sometimes hurry it into measures
which itself, on maturer reflexion, would condemn. The primary
inducement to conferring the power in question upon the Executive
is, to enable him to defend himself; the secondary one is to
increase the chances in favor of the community against the passing
of bad laws, through haste, inadvertence, or design. The oftener
the measure is brought under examination, the greater the diversity
in the situations of those who are to examine it, the less must be
the danger of those errors which flow from want of due
deliberation, or of those missteps which proceed from the contagion
of some common passion or interest. It is far less probable, that
culpable views of any kind should infect all the parts of the
government at the same moment and in relation to the same object,
than that they should by turns govern and mislead every one of
them."- Federalist #73
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