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Palin v. Biden: In Which an Old Man Punches a Woman With Glasses
Here's a sweetener for tonight's debate; video of both candidates unleashed and onstage.
Biden:
Palin:
Reason staff will be blogging it all tonight.
jasno|10.2.08 @ 7:35PM|#
So what's the drinking game for tonight? I'm thinking a shot of
Tito's every time I hear 'street'.
I just hope my dog can figure out how to dial 911 before I choke on
my own vomit.
|10.2.08 @ 7:36PM|#
Anybody read the article in the last issue of the New Yorker
about Palin? It really painted her as this moderate with a lot of
enthusiasm if not a great deal of depth. It's interesting that at
her big debut at the GOP convention she served up so much red-meat
if the article was correct about that. I bet she could have brought
on quite a bit of moderates if they GOP hadn't decided to use her
to energize the base right off the bat like that.
If she comes off as moderate tonight it could be very big for
McCain because the hard core conservatives are already long sold on
her. I think very non-combative should be her tone.
|10.2.08 @ 7:37PM|#
"Greed" would be another good word to drink on.
But I imagine she's not gonna mention anyone rearing their head
tonight...
Dello|10.2.08 @ 7:38PM|#
"In Which an Old Man Punches a Woman With Glasses"
And why not? I'd hit it! MILF!
Ali|10.2.08 @ 7:39PM|#
Note: This is the only debate I'll be watching. I am doing so
specifically to watch Pailin's gaffes and an occasional Biden gaffe
(+ridiculous democrat's talk).
J sub D- If you are serious about the elections, you may want to
add some stress relief pills to your list of things. If not, have
fun.
|10.2.08 @ 7:41PM|#
J and Ali Did you catch the H&R post about McCain abandoning Michigan? What's your take on that? Wise choice or not?
BDB|10.2.08 @ 7:41PM|#
Once again, I'm going to plug Palin Bingo.
http://www.palinbingo.com
Remember, your "Airspace" that Palin has reared her head in is your
free space.
Just Plain Brian|10.2.08 @ 7:42PM|#
When's the debate?
9pm Eastern
Where I can I watch it online?
Found this on google:
Where to Watch the Palin-Biden Debate Online
|10.2.08 @ 7:43PM|#
I'll be cutting away to watch the Sol Star vs. E.B. Farnum debate (I'm starting the third season 2night).
|10.2.08 @ 7:45PM|#
There's a guy on teevee talking about arugula.
"...the arugula middle class" he says. So, the Arugula Middle
Class, as opposed to just the Middle Class, is below, what? $7
million a year? Six?
|10.2.08 @ 7:46PM|#
So what's the drinking game for tonight? I'm thinking a shot
of Tito's every time I hear 'street'.
I just hope my dog can figure out how to dial 911 before I choke on
my own vomit.
Why don't you do a shot every time Palin pauses awkwardly or Biden
says something inappropriate? You'll be dead in 20 minutes.
I can't believe you guys are going to watch this. Fuck, I thought I
was a masochist, but you guys make me look like a sadist in
comparison.
|10.2.08 @ 7:48PM|#
I think the drinking game should be every time Palin addresses either the moderator or her opponent by their first name. Oh yeah, and also every time Biden looks like he's thinkin, "that dumb cunt."
BDB|10.2.08 @ 7:49PM|#
Oh come on. I can't imagine anything more entertaining than Governor Airspace and Talky Joe trying to out-bullshit each other on national TV.
Just Plain Brian|10.2.08 @ 7:49PM|#
Episiarch, just think how entertaining it will be if they ask a really tricky question, like "What newspapers do you read?"
|10.2.08 @ 7:52PM|#
Epi, due to my increasing vicodin dosing, I am unwilling to drink. I am, however, putting my TENS unit electrodes on my sack and hitting it every time the drinking rules apply.
|10.2.08 @ 7:57PM|#
Mister Nice Guy, above, makes a good point. Conservatives love
Palin, there's no denying that, but they don't seem to love her
specifically for being a movement conservative. They love
her for sort of an identity politics solidarity reason.
That's not to say she's not a conservative, of course she is. Her
overall political orientation is considerably right-of-center, but
she's not a conservative theorist, a movement activist, or even a
predictably reliable source of right-wing dogma. This means that
she could have had a little political room to appeal to moderates
without losing her support among conservatives.
When she first was named, everybody talked about sending her after
moderate and center-right, women Hillary voters. They could have
packaged her for that, but they didn't. They turned her into red
state red meat right away, to try to boost McCain's standing among
those voters. I guess they had to.
|10.2.08 @ 8:01PM|#
Epi, due to my increasing vicodin dosing, I am unwilling to
drink
Dude, your liver can handle the APAP. Drink up.
I understand what you guys are saying, but for some reason I can't
handle watching politicians talk. I HATE them. I can watch the most
vile, disgusting horror movie without flinching, but I can't stand
politicians.
I will go out and then watch Always Sunny. I will leave
you with the immortal words of Charlie:
"Alright, uh, later dudes, S you in your A's, don't wear a C, and J
all over your B's."
jasno|10.2.08 @ 8:01PM|#
Joe - I'd like to think everyone has realized at this point that
she's not the presidential candidate, and thus any appeal to
moderates will be reduced in effect accordingly.
Then again, I'm a bit of an optimist(fool?) when it comes to the
reasoning abilities of the electorate.
|10.2.08 @ 8:02PM|#
Well, the base of social conservatives and generally religious
folk, to say nothing of the lonewhacko demographic really dislike
McCain.
So maybe their thought was that McCain has been playing to the
middle, so they re-branded Palin to play to the religious social
conservatives?
|10.2.08 @ 8:03PM|#
Episiarch, just think how entertaining it will be if they
ask a really tricky question, like "What newspapers do you
read?"
All of them, Just Plain Brian. She reads all of them.
The woman knows more about energy than anyone in America. There's,
like, 305,000,000 people in America. Some of them are physicists
and shit.
So, I don't see what's so ridiculous about the idea that she reads
all of the newspapers.
|10.2.08 @ 8:05PM|#
"Episiarch, just think how entertaining it will be if they ask a
really tricky question, like "What newspapers do you read?"
Well, here in the great country of America that I love so much, and
like such as, airspace, I read like, you know, whatever they put in
front of me. So lots of newspapers from different information
sources with various...outlooks and differences, yeah.
|10.2.08 @ 8:07PM|#
Epi, actually I take Xodol© which has 10 mg of the good stuff and only 300mg acetominephen. I'm just a big ole pussy. and I kinda like the TENS thingy ø¿ø
BDB|10.2.08 @ 8:10PM|#
I did actually get this 100% legally for dental work but never got around to using it. I figure Sarah Palin is a good a reason as any. She might actually make sense now!
Jerry|10.2.08 @ 8:11PM|#
I do hope that Biden will call out Palin for the fact that the vice-presidential race is not a beauty pageant.
|10.2.08 @ 8:16PM|#
I do hope tonight is a little more exciting than last weeks "my opponent is absolutely right" snoozefest. In my mind, debates are supposed to be super confrontational, expletives deleted.
|10.2.08 @ 8:16PM|#
brotherben,
Acetaminophen and alcohol is bad for your liver, dude. Stick with
weed.
BDB|10.2.08 @ 8:19PM|#
"In my mind, debates are supposed to be super confrontational,
expletives deleted."
SEXIST! /snark
Franklin Harris|10.2.08 @ 8:24PM|#
I oppose almost everything Biden says in that clip, but I can't help but like the smart-ass way he says it.
GILMORE|10.2.08 @ 8:29PM|#
Episiarch | October 2, 2008, 8:01pm | #
I understand what you guys are saying, but for some reason I can't
handle watching politicians talk. I HATE them. I can watch the most
vile, disgusting horror movie without flinching, but I can't stand
politicians.
I'm with you bro.
I feel compelled to listen to them from time to time out of some
vague sense of responsibility, but the experience is invariably
revolting, and often does lasting damage to my generally optimistic
feelings about mankind.
I sometimes scream invective at them and it helps a little.
|10.2.08 @ 8:29PM|#
Supposedly until she was chosen her big issue and talking point was this pipeline she was working to put in. Not exactly red meat for the conservative crowd.
SIV|10.2.08 @ 8:32PM|#
might dip into the oxy
I used to read 2 or 3 daily papers + any interesting weeklies. Now
that I mostly read newspapers online I would say I read "all of
them".
|10.2.08 @ 8:34PM|#
Debate Night Chili
1.5 pounds of ground chuck
1.5 pounds of ground sirloin
15 oz. can of crushed tomatoes
1 cup beef stock
1 cup dark beer
1 large onion, diced
3 cloves of garlic, crushed
4 oz. pickled jalapenos, chopped
2 tbsp chili powder
1 tsp cayenne pepper
2 chipotle in adobo, chopped (plus 1 tbsp of sauce)
1 tbsp salt
Sweat onions for 20 minutes on low, until soft, adding garlic for
the last three minutes. Remove an set aside. Brown meat thoroughly,
and deglaze the pan with beer. Add all ingredients to a pressure
cooker. Set timer for 35 minutes after cooker comes to pressure.
(Alternate methods: Slow cooker on low for 8 hours, or simmer cover
on stove for 3 hours)
I grind my own meat (coarse) and make my own chili powder and beef
stock, but I'm obsessive that way.
|10.2.08 @ 8:36PM|#
This blog is the only news I get.
siv, the doc gave me oxy a couple times after discograms. That is a
very very effective med for my pain, but he won't prescribe it long
term, so he gives me 120 vicodin every month instead.
SIV|10.2.08 @ 8:41PM|#
sounds damn good SugarFree
better than the arroz con pollo I ate tonight
120 Vicodin a month! Almost worth having chronic pain for
brotherben.
Acetaminophen is fucking toxic. I avoid it in all cases where it
isn't mixed with narcotics.
I won't take darvon under any circumstances(see Lester Bangs, John
Matusek and many others).
|10.2.08 @ 8:49PM|#
J sub D- If you are serious about the elections, you may
want to add some stress relief pills to your list of things. If
not, have fun.
The day the Obama campaign sent out threatening letters to
broadcasters that aired critical NRA ads ended any chance that I'd
vote for either of the two major parties. Now I will watch, mock,
nay I will ridicule, the flailing, pandering, lying and speciual
interest fellating by candidates of both major parties.
I am becoming more and more convinced that the two major parties
are as distinct from each other as the American and National
leagues* are distinct from each other.
* That's baseball for you furrner types.
|10.2.08 @ 8:50PM|#
+ 60 zanaflex and 30 ambien. and I still don't sleep good. I tried to talk him into some of the new pot based drugs but he is not hopeful about the efficacy due to the several differnt physiological causes for my pain. The newest pot based stuff is made from the plant, not chemically synthesized, and shows good results for nerve related pain.
|10.2.08 @ 8:53PM|#
Then again, I'm a bit of an optimist(fool?) when it comes to
the reasoning abilities of the electorate.
90% of those responsible for that mutant frankenstein of a bailout
abortion bill will get re-elected. Go with fool.
|10.2.08 @ 8:56PM|#
J sub, surely you aren't suggesting that we replace anyone in D.C. in these troubled and dangerous times?
|10.2.08 @ 9:00PM|#
Debate Night Chili
Fuck that. I'm deep fat frying some pork lumpia to go with the beer
and popcorn.
Here's
the recipe, but I'm a single guy and get it pre-maid. Drop it
in the fry baby for a couple minutes and it's ready to eat.
Friggin' great beer mubnchies, I shit you not.
|10.2.08 @ 9:03PM|#
J sub, surely you aren't suggesting that we replace anyone
in D.C. in these troubled and dangerous times?
Jeff Flake, Ron Paul and a token democrat can remain. Fire the rest
of the bastards. If it takes the new guys a couple of years to get
oriented, well that's a feature, not a bug.
SIV|10.2.08 @ 9:10PM|#
Jsub,
I kind of liked that Congressman from Livonia MI who went off on
Bolsheviks re the bailout bill.
|10.2.08 @ 9:10PM|#
One question into the VP debate and I turned it off. Biden gave
Palin a slow pitch right across the center of the plate, defending
the fucking bailout, and Palin didn't rip into it, and instead kept
repeating McCain's name.
Bloody hell. Four statists running between the two major
parties.
|10.2.08 @ 9:10PM|#
They both look good, even under the merciless gaze of 1080i.
Thank goodness that did something with Biden's hair.
SIV's right. Seriously, slow down. It' like Biden did a fistful of
coke. Palin seems to be trying real hard to control here accent.
It's not working.
BDB|10.2.08 @ 9:10PM|#
Don't forget Bobby Scott from VA, SIV.
Actually, 90% of the Black Congressional Caucus went against
it.
BDB|10.2.08 @ 9:12PM|#
They're talking fast because they only have two minutes each instead of the normal five.
Just Plain Brian|10.2.08 @ 9:15PM|#
Buy this woman some gs
She's already talking like she did an 8-ball, I don't think she
needs any more gs
SIV|10.2.08 @ 9:17PM|#
BDB, you are from VA? Do you "know" Caesar?
My Congressman hank Johnson voted against it. he is Cynthia
McKinney's replacement.First time he has "represented" my interests
in Congress.
I actually have a little respect for him now as he added that stock
markets are supposed to go up and down and he doesn't particularly
care which way it is going.That makes him better than a lot of
politicians.
BDB|10.2.08 @ 9:19PM|#
"My Congressman hank Johnson voted against it. he is Cynthia
McKinney's replacement.First time he has "represented" my interests
in Congress."
Yeah. Usually I write in the name of my cat when I vote (my
Congresscritter is always unopposed). Now I might give him that
vote.
Cynthia McKinney represented you? I'm sorry.
JP|10.2.08 @ 9:20PM|#
As usual when listening to Biden, I find myself wishing he could use his powers for good instead of evil.
hotsauce|10.2.08 @ 9:20PM|#
Well, Joe, just because you call it "fair" doesn't make it not a (re)distribution.
BDB|10.2.08 @ 9:21PM|#
Joe Biden=cocaine (DC, elitist)
Sarah Palin=methampetamines(small town, down-home)
|10.2.08 @ 9:23PM|#
Drinking rules for the debate:
Drink whenever Palin says "McCain", "reform", or "mothers" (or any
other word for the female gender.
Drink whenever Biden opens his mouth. He's sure to say something
that we can all agree is a drinking violation.
Oh, and catch a cab home, cause you're gonna get ripped.
SIV|10.2.08 @ 9:30PM|#
BDB,
Cynthia was pretty tame compared to our Sheriff. He hired some
Jamaicans to kill his political opponent and successor. They shot
him dead in his driveway. And DeKalb county is probably the best of
the three that actually contain the city of ATL.
Just Plain Brian|10.2.08 @ 9:37PM|#
Good point - why didn't they get Root for this debate like Reason did last week with Barr?
SIV|10.2.08 @ 9:38PM|#
When I was little we had a great private bus line in ATL. MARTA is useless for anything but going to the Airport.
BDB|10.2.08 @ 9:40PM|#
Most mass transit outside of NYC sucks. And the NYC subway lines were originally built by private companies. Go figure.
SIV|10.2.08 @ 9:41PM|#
I'll say she is exceeding expectations. The format doesn't really encourage gaffes though.
BDB|10.2.08 @ 9:42PM|#
There was a bi-partisan agreement to limit gaffes, since both candidates are prone.
|10.2.08 @ 10:07PM|#
Palin seems to be trying real hard to control here accent.
You mean where she sounds
"Like Minnesota and Canada had a kid and let Wisconsin raise
it."
jasno|10.2.08 @ 11:06PM|#
I just want to say how much I love you guys... really..
I'm gonna go pass out in my backyard now...
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