Jesse Walker | September 24, 2008
Rounding up some suspects:
* Don Boudreaux on monetary policy.
* Frank Shostak on Fannie and Freddie.
* Randal O'Toole on land use regulations.
* Chris Dillow on the principal agent problem.
* Russ Roberts on perverse tax incentives.
Meanwhile, Robert Higgs disputes the idea that the credit market is "frozen," and David Cay Johnston suggests some questions for skeptical business journalists. Ilya Somin sees a slippery slope ahead.
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David Cay Johnston suggests some questions for skeptical
business journalists.
The Lonewacko Gambit!
This graph
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2008/02/17/business/20080217_SWAP_2_GRAPHIC.html
suggests "only" about a Trillion(!) probably WON'T be enough when
credit derivative markets go south. The pigs are now feeding...
The taxpayers will assume the risk, that way after this "investment" goes broke they will assume the losses. Oh by the way we will be paying above the market value for these items and put it all on the credit card. Why do they go after internet gambling, claiming addicts will fund risky bets on the credit card, but they have no problem doing that with the US economy? At least the gambler will use to market to get the least juice on his bet, the Federal gamblers are not even trying to get an adequate price, they will be paying a premium. This is ridiculous, the people deserve to get screwed because they continue to let this nonsense happen. The snake oil salesmen whine that "the markets are irrational" because nobody will buy this garbage [except the biggest suckers out there].
JMR,
That graph is out of date, the number I saw earlier this week is
$62 trillion or something like that. However, that is the total
face value, not the amount of loss if those were all unwound. Still
a lot but less than a trillion.
Dont fall for the scare tactics.
There should be another section in the roundup about how the
"mark to market" rules contributed to the financial crisis.
And another one about how the credit rating agencies like Moody's
and Standard & Poors did as well.
Yeah, I should have mentioned the graph's out of date, but doesn't that mean the gambling market it describes is even MORE dangerous than the graph depicts?? We're in a heroin addict economy (and e-gold & the Ron Paul Liberty Dollar were the problem -- sigh) but if just a few of those bets go wrong, the cascading counterparty defaults our government tried to avoid by all this recent BS will have to happen anyway, right? This means the whistle hard money "kooks" like me have been blowing, loudly, was worth listening to, so eventually -- as society collapses -- at some point my side gets to say "I told you so" as we grab for our ammo, MREs, and water. IMO.
Gilbert:
The claim that "mark to market" accounting rules have played a
large role in this financial crisis is something I've been hearing
elsewhere from some conservative accounting types who have a
history of constructing elaborate apologias for CEO malfeasance. I
don't know much about accounting so I'm wondering what's so evil
about these rules? From what I understand, it basically
instantiates into accouting rules the idea that an asset is only
worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.
Isn't that theory of value pretty much a bedrock principle of the
free markets much beloved by us libertarians and some brands of
conservative? Aren't other theories of value useful tools for
tyrants and scam artists?
Dr. KN
Yes something is generally only worth what somebody is willing to
pay for it.
The problem is that when markets freeze up because of fear and
panic, there are a lot of securities that don't trade at all. And
then the "mark to market" adjustment is not based on any actual
trade but on models, guesses and presumptions.
Not all the debt instruments out there affected by this trading
freeze are totally worthless. Some are backed by pools of mortgages
that are not in foreclosure or default. Long term assets are being
artifically drastically marked down as if they are nearly
worthless.
It is akin to saying your car is totally worthless if you cannot
find somebody to buy in within the next hour.
These are non cash losses but trigger all sorts of regulatory
capital requirements that treat them as if they were cash losses.
Then institutions have to attempt to raise new capital under the
worst possible market circumstances. The interconnectedness of all
these financial institutions exacerbates the problem as well.
Markdowns at one can trigger more markdowns at others and it
creates a cascade effect.
There should be another section in the roundup about how the
"mark to market" rules contributed to the financial
crisis.
It wasn't supposed to be an exhaustive list. Anthony Randazzo had a
concise explanation of what's wrong with the mark-to-market regs in
his Reason piece yesterday.
Got it. It sounds to me like this sort of downward spiral due to
market seizure is a risk that the investment banks should have
known about. If they knew this was a risk, shouldn't that have
created an incentive to stop investing in shitty mortgage
securities and their derivatives? Or did they simply assume that
any such risk could be discounted because they could count on their
friends in the US Treasury to bail them out in the event of
financial Armageddon?
If "mark to market" isn't such a hot idea, what are the other
alternatives and what shortcomings do they have?
From what I understand, it basically instantiates into
accouting rules the idea that an asset is only worth what someone
else is willing to pay for it.
The problem with mark-to-market is that it substitutes a
hypothetical market value for the last real market transaction for
the asset. Under traditional accounting, you carry financial assets
at their cost - what you paid for them. What you paid for them is
the last real market value assigned to those assets. Everything
else is speculative.
Mark-to-market is also very prone to abuse. Its what drove the
Enron scam, after all. And it introduces a lot of volatility into
balance sheets, which is one of the drivers (I think) of the
current liquidity problem.
One knock on cost-based accounting is that, if your assets lose
value, your balance sheet looks better than it really is. The
reason the Wall Streeters don't like cost-based accounting is that
it keeps them from trading on/leveraging unrealized gains. As we
are seeing, leveraging your balance sheet with mark-to-market is a
good way to realize short-term gains, but like all leveraging, it
is risky.
Let's have mark-to-market when the market is going up, and cost accounting when the market is dropping. And when we own all the mortgages, we can have mark-to-election-year-politics.
I hate zoning laws/land use regulations. I absolutely agree that
restrictive zoning and other government meddling into what people
can and can't build on their property is partially responsible for
the current house price bubble, not to mention increasing things
like pollution and traffic.
As for cost based vs. mark to market accounting, I think the second
is much more accurate. If I paid $10,000 for a Ford Escort, or
$3,000 for an Apple IIE, in 1983, but both are near worthless
today, they shouldn't be listed as assets at the price I paid for
them. Now, those are equipment and not land, but one can also buy
land that used to have great value that is now worthless (say it
was found to have toxic waste on it after I bought it). If nobody
is willing to purchase something, at any price, it's value should
be zero, even if I paid lots of money for it originally.
Now, I can also see how mark to market can (and has) cause a
feedback loop that causes companies to go into bankruptcy.
Companies need to have x dollars worth of assets to maintain their
bond rating, etc., but the price of those assets drops, so their
bond rating falls, and so does everybody else's, so nobody wants to
buy those assets, so the price of the assets drops, so their rating
drops, so nobody wants to buy those assets, etc. The proposal
mentioned by Newt Gingrich (a three-year mark-to-market rolling
average) seems like a good compromise to minimize this effect.
The land-use argument is laughable.
In fast-growing places with no such regulation, such as Dallas,
Houston, and Raleigh, housing prices did not bubble and they are
not declining today.
Captain Cato needs to visit the Inland Empire in California, or the
gulf coast of Florida, or newer suburbs around Phoenix, and count
the empty homes. Sure, the bubble only happened in low-growth
areas. Tell me another one.
"As for cost based vs. mark to market accounting, I think the
second is much more accurate. If I paid $10,000 for a Ford Escort,
or $3,000 for an Apple IIE, in 1983, but both are near worthless
today, they shouldn't be listed as assets at the price I paid for
them."
A morgage backed security that is still generating incoming cash
flow from principal and interest payments is not analgous to the
depreciated value of an old car or computer.
It may be worth less than the purchase cost but it is not "near
worthless".
By definition, a bubble is created when speculative investment
raises the price of a good far above what can be sustained by
actual demand. That's why they pop - because there honestly isn't
the underlying demand to keep the prices that high.
Obviously, the housing bubble is yet another consequence of
invading Iraq, failing to provide universal health care, and
emitting too much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. I've been
trying to warn you people about this for years, and now, this
crisis proves that I'm right about everything!
O'Toole truly is a tool. Where the hell did he get the idea that "Dallas, Houston, and Raleigh" didn't have land use regulations?? I guess it's understandable when you see the world through O'Toole's eyes - that is, minimum parking regulations, zoning, and other land use policies that force sprawl where the market doesn't want it are not regulations; but the same bodies enacting opposite legislation (maximum parking requirements and other New Urbanist kind of policies) are regulating. Do yourself a favor, Reason Magazine: don't pay attention to the idiotic statists behind land use policy at the Reason Foundation. They're ignorant at best, and shills at worst.
joe,
Category A: fast growth, low reg
Category B: fast growth, hi reg
Category C: slow growth, low reg
Category D: slow growth, hi reg
In fast-growing places with no such regulation, such as Dallas,
Houston, and Raleigh, housing prices did not bubble and they are
not declining today.
This is a reference to Category A.
Captain Cato needs to visit the Inland Empire in California, or
the gulf coast of Florida, or newer suburbs around
Phoenix
You reference Category B.
He wasnt referring to Hi vs Lo growth, but A vs B/C/D.
I'm surprised to see more comments about O'Toole's sloppily phrased comment about land-use regulations than Dillow's assertion about the relative dangers of national and dispersed private ownership. Anyway, don't take the links in this post for unqualified endorsements. I think O'Toole makes a good case that land-use regs played a role in the housing bubble. I'm not persuaded that they played the central role.
robc,
If you read the report, the author claims that the cause of the
bubble was a restriction on supply produced by regulation. Since
there are fast-growing places with heavy regulation, his theory
makes no sense. Since fast-growing places also experienced a bubble
and a pop, his theory that supply restrictions caused the bubble
makes no sense.
Absent the link between regulation and supply, and absent the link
between growth and bubbles, his argument is magical thinking.
In addition to the fact that bubbles are, by definition, spikes in
price caused by speculative purchases unmoored from supply, so any
theory of bubbles being caused by unmet demand for the underlying
goods is nonsense. If there really was unmet demand substantial
enough to cause prices to rise as much as they did during this
bubble, prices wouldn't have declined like this. I mean, come on,
Demand Kurv!
Let me add, I agree with the point that land use restrictions -
some of them, anyway - have caused housing prices to rise. Snob
zoning is a big problem, and the suburbs that enact it need to open
up their zoning.
But that can't explain a spike like this, and it is wholly
incompatible with the collapse in real estate prices we've seen
over the past year or two.
I'm surprised to see more comments about O'Toole's sloppily
phrased comment about land-use regulations...
Hi, Jesse. Have we met?
(It's not the phrasing that's the problem, btw. His point wasn't
lost, it's just nonsensical).
...and the suburbs that enact it need to open up their
zoning.
This is precisely the type of land use policy that O'Toole and his
fellow travelers ignore. Ask a normal person what zoning is, and
they'll say that it's what suburbanite use to make sure nobody
builds an apartment building or townhouses near them. Ask O'Toole,
though, and he'll tell you that zoning is when Portland liberals
decide that the state ought to mandate high density. He highlights
a trend that's minimally relevant compared to the bigger problem -
mandatory low density zoning.
Joe: It was sloppily phrased because it treated a particular kind of land-use regulation as land-use regulation in toto. But I don't think the basic point is nonsensical. The Glaeser research he links to suggests that those regs make the price cycle more volatile, and the Krugman column he links to makes a reasonable case that it's easier to get a housing bubble started when regulation restricts supply.
My understanding is that most of the sub-prime lending was in
areas where it was relatively cheap to build. Places like Las Vegas
or the exurbs of Los Angeles. Not in areas like the San Francisco
Bay Area that tend to have high prices because of land use
regulations.
In which case, O'Toole is missing the distinction that there were
really two parallel housing price bubbles going on. One related to
sub-prime lending, which is related to the current financial
crisis. And one, still ongoing, where prices are rising in
desirable areas that have lots of well-paying jobs.
"The problem is that when markets freeze up because of fear and
panic, there are a lot of securities that don't trade at all. And
then the "mark to market" adjustment is not based on any actual
trade but on models, guesses and presumptions."
This is absolutely not true. What you have just described is mark
to model. mark to model is how many of these MBS's were valued in
the first place because there was a lack of a market. As you say,
they were based on assumptions, variables and inputs which were
subjective to the seller. Once an MBS is sold on the market, the
true market price of that MBS is determined and all holders of
similarly risk profiled MBS's must mark those holdings to the
market determined price. By definition, mark to model is "the act
of assigning a value to a position held in a financial instrument
based on the current market price for that instrument or similar
instruments".
"Not all the debt instruments out there affected by this trading
freeze are totally worthless. Some are backed by pools of mortgages
that are not in foreclosure or default. Long term assets are being
artifically drastically marked down as if they are nearly
worthless."
That is true, that is why, at it's heart, IMHO, this is a
credibility problem, not a credit/liquidity crisis. Those are just
symptoms thereof. The rating process and grades have lost all
credibility as the credit rating agencies
incorrectly/incompetently/negligently/corruptly(take your pick)
bundled higher risk debt instruments with lower risk instruments
and then rated them much higher than they should have. Thus, nobody
knows if the "lower risk" debt that others (as well as themselves)
own are truly lower risked investments and are unwilling to loan
money without this transparency. If correctly rated and bundled,
then mark to market would not affect these lower risk
instruments.
"A morgage backed security that is still generating incoming cash
flow from principal and interest payments is not analgous to the
depreciated value of an old car or computer.
It may be worth less than the purchase cost but it is not "near
worthless"."
Mark to model only assigns the last market determined price for
that asset. If it is "near worthless", then that is the market
determined price. An MBS which was bought on the premise that it
was going to pay 8% a year until maturity which is now only
producing 5% due to foreclosures and delinquencies should be
devalued. Why should it not be? And please don't tell me that they
devalue long term assets for what they would be worth...it assigns
current market values, as determined by the market, on long term
assets which might be worth their projected value. It replaces a
hypothetical with an actual.
Mike Laursen,
That second one wouldn't be a bubble. If the demand really is
there, it's not going to pop.
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