Nick Gillespie | September 3, 2008
Google's highly anticipated web browser, Chrome, is out and earning good-to-mixed reviews:
Google says its new Chrome browser, launched just a week after Microsoft unveiled an updated version of Internet Explorer, is designed to be faster, easier, more stable and more secure in an era when users are increasingly turning to the Web to run complex applications—from watching video to crunching data and running other sophisticated programs that were once housed exclusively within a PC's hard drive.
The new browser has a single box to type in search keywords and Internet addresses. It's designed with "tabs" that access individual Web sites independently, so if one stalls it doesn't crash the others. And like the new version of Microsoft's browser, it offers an "incognito" feature that lets users surf online without storing cookies or a history of which sites they visited.
I'll probably give it a whirl at some point, though I find most of the complaints about Microsoft's products in general overblown and animating from a vague, misplaced animus than actual operational issues. The intertubes world does seem to be going Google's way, as it delivers on an old promise from the early 1990s among some visionaries that computers would be relatively simple machines that worked as gateways to massive online activity, storage, and whatnot. Google's calendars, documents, and (obviously) mail are incredibly powerful and easy to use.
Here's the vision that Google has for its browser:
By developing its own browser, Google can design it to maximize the features of its other online applications, UBS analyst Ben Schachter wrote in a note to investors Tuesday. He suggested the browser may also give Google more data on users' habits and trends, which it can use to deliver more targeted advertising.
Be careful what you wish for, Google. It's a very different legal context, of course, and a very different world, but tightening the connections between its machines and its software, especially its web browser is what got Microsoft in big trouble with the feds way back when (doesn't the Microsoft antitrust suit seem like it happened in a different...century?). Microsoft's Internet Explorer (new version of that out too!) kicked Netscape's ass (doesn't that seem like two centuries ago?) and has now lost about 20 percent of the market to Firefox. There's clearly a demand for more browser choices and as reason.tv will tell you, competition is good, whether we're talking about coffee shops or computers.
As for Marshall McLuhan: He stressed that the mode of communication was more important than the content being communicated. In that sense, any browser is a minor change from the PC/networked computer revolution, but his thought gets more interesting with every passing year.
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I was reading part of Google's animated series about Chrome last
night, and it is very interesting. The major problem with open
source, however, is that as everybody starts running off in
different directions with their own stuff, eventually stuff stops
working together.
This is what mortally wounded Java; the fact that people wrote
their own extensions for their own VMs meant that eventually, Java
code didn't always work anywhere there was a VM--which was Java's
mission in the first place.
I think Chrome will kick some serious ass; but how will Google
maintain control?
most of the complaints about Microsoft's products in general
overblown and animating from a vague, misplaced animus than actual
operational issues.
I agreed with this assertion for a long time. Then my mother bought
a Vista machine. I've been the on-call help desk person for her
ever since.
I tried Chrome last night for a bit. It has worked fine for me so
far. I can't say that I am all that excited about it though.
Firefox works well enough.
An corporate meddling has already been uncovered. Today
(09/03/2008) Chris Mellor reported on The Register
(www.theregister.co.uk) about troublesome provision of
Chrome's EULA:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/
"Astute Reg' readers have pointed out a Chrome condition of service
that effectively lets Google use any of your copyrighted material
posted to the web via Chrome without paying you a cent."
Epi --
I remember liking the little Google slideshow on how Chrome would
be different. Haven't tried it out yet, but I'm sure like in most
OSS projects, a vanilla version will be maintained (most likely by
Google) that will remain robust.
The major problem with open source, however, is that as
everybody starts running off in different directions with their own
stuff, eventually stuff stops working together.
That would be called freedom.
Besides, that statement cannot be proved with one example like
Java. Just look at every other free software project out there.
They have not had the same problems, mainly because they learnt
from Sun's mistake. Just look at Linux. Thousands of projects out
there, yet they manage to build operating systems that work for
millions of people.
As for the EULA, I was going to point that out but I was beaten to
the punch.
Given Google's disregard of user privacy with Google Desktop, I keep away from Chrome.
but I'm sure like in most OSS projects, a vanilla version
will be maintained (most likely by Google) that will remain
robust
It can't. If you go to a website designed for "Red Hat Chrome"
which has stuff (JavaScript, etc.) that is beyond the scope of
regular Chrome, it may well crash the tab in regular Chrome. Sure,
Chrome is designed to handle that, but you can forget visiting that
page unless you get "Red Hat Chrome".
This is an endemic problem in open source.
That would be called freedom.
Which hasn't one fucking thing to do with what I was talking
about.
Given Google's disregard of user privacy with Google
Desktop, I keep away from Chrome.
Given the basic death of privacy online due to everyone tracking
everything, I just don't use computers.
Oh, wait...
Epi --
You forget "THE POWER OF THE MARKET!!!" [Drumroll]
That is to say, there is strong incentive for page-writers to make
their pages renderable/compliant with as many users' platforms as
possible. Even Microsoft and Mozilla collaborate these days to make
similar protocols and ensure compatibility. If they didn't, there
would be "many furious users".
Sure, there will be an occassional page that was created by and for
a homebrew or limited distro. But that's the point of OSS; if the
tool to do what you need doesn't exist, you write it.
I downloaded chrome as soon as it came online and I love it. I
think it offers a streamlined combination of the best of IE and
Firefox. I also had a tab crash and was able to shut down just that
one window and keep going -- that alone solves half of my internet
frustration!
I say more power to Google. I'm sure there are and will continue to
be bugs and challenges, but in general this is another example of
google putting forward-thinking products on the market to challenge
competitors to step up their game. Capitalism at its finest.
Just to be clear: I'm not knocking open source. I use Open
Office, GIMP, Firefox, and will try Chrome.
But let's not pretend it's without serious problems. Because it's
not.
But let's not pretend it's without serious problems. Because
it's not.
Nothing that has known the touch of a human hand lacks serious
problems.
Things that have known nothing *but* the touch of a human hand are
replete with them.
I downloaded Chrome yesterday and took it for a spin, and
frankly it's a big "so what?". Yawn.
But wait- you're telling me that Microsuck has only lost 20% of the
market to Firefox? That means that there are large numbers of
people out there using IE, despite it being barely functional and
hardly secure for a browser.
most of the complaints about Microsoft's products in general
overblown and animating from a vague, misplaced animus than actual
operational issues.
I disagree. Microsoft's operating systems are basically functional,
but I find that sometimes doing even simple tasks requires
scrolling through far too many menus and sub-menus. Windows has
gotten progressively more unwieldy and cumbersome. Why is it that
the first thing I do in an operating system like Windows is start
editing the registry in order to make it more functional and less
bloated? Bad design, imho. Additionally, the basic user (yes, even
in this year of 2008) probably finds the idea of tinkering with
software intimidating, and I have run into problems on friends'
machines that the basic user would never have any idea how to fix
unless they dug into some of the areas of Windows that contain
settings that can royall fuck your machine is you set them the
wrong way.
Meh. And yet I still use Windows (but not Vista, not yet).
"The intertubes world does seem to be going Google's way, as it
delivers on an old promise from the early 1990s among some
visionaries that computers would be relatively simple machines that
worked as gateways to massive online activity, storage, and
whatnot."
Oh, great. Back to the days of sitting in front of an IBM 327X
terminal while the guys in the computer room decide what
applications I can run and how much data I can store where, and
charge me perpetually ongoing fees for the privilege of keeping
them in control of what I can do.
Microsoft's Internet Explorer (new version of that out too!)
kicked Netscape's ass
If by "kicked Netscape's ass" you mean, requiring Win98 to use IE,
then yes.
If by "kicked Netscape's ass" you mean, requiring Win98 to
use IE, then yes.
Warren, I developed web applications in the late 90's, and IE5
kicked the ever-living shit out of Netscape. Netscape 4 and on was
a fucking pig of an application, taking seconds to load, rendering
fonts and tables in a ugly manner, and having myriad other
problems.
Netscape deserved to die.
I find most of the complaints about Microsoft's products in general overblown and animating from a vague, misplaced animus than actual operational issues.
Misplaced animus, my ass. Unless you like crashes, reboots, and
corrupted, monolithic files that hold all your settings and
email.
Leave me out of the "cloud" too. I'll keep my own files,
thanks.
Warren,
I'm with Episiarch. IE 5 flat out beat Netscape--much better
experience with far less kludge. No idea how MS managed to do that
for once--guess they really, really wanted to off Netscape and
couldn't compete on price.
As far as Google's (or Microsoft's) aspirations for all of my
applications and data to sit on their servers, well, how about we
don't do it that way? I have several objections.
Netscape deserved to die.
So did IE6. Instead it mutated into IE7 and joined in the "let's
throw everything the community has learned about user interface out
the window" fun that MS has been having lately. I have no idea if
IE7 is any good; my company is still on IE6 but I don't use it.
One suspects that Google doesn't like plug-ins like AdBlocker,
given Google's devotion to ad revenue. In fact, isn't that the main
reason it's jumping into the browser wars, to make a more
ad-compliant/behavioral targeting-friendly browser?
IE7 seems fair, but it isn't prying me away from Firefox at this
point.
Instead it mutated into IE7 and joined in the "let's throw
everything the community has learned about user interface out the
window" fun that MS has been having lately.
IE7 is very, very similar to Firefox in UI. Yes, it has the "where
the fuck are my menus?" problem inherent in Office 2007, etc. (just
hit the Alt button to get them, by the way), but it's actually a
pretty good tabbed browser. However, Firefox has adblocker, is a
little lighter, and seems to handle switching between tabs better,
so that's why I use it.
Jozef (et al),
with any luck the process that brought us IceWeasel will create a
Molybdenum browser that takes care of some of the complaints about
Google's corporate sins.
As a programmer and web developer I'm decidedly meh about the
browser (except that WebKit is above average on standards
implementation), but as a user with a programmer and web
developer's knowledge level I'm pretty excited about the sandboxing
of tabs and plug-ins, and looking forward to other browser vendors
picking up on the idea.
I'd like to assure Nick Gillespie that the widespread hatred of Internet Explorer in the web developer community is well-deserved. Its bizarre responses to perfectly valid and error-free HTML/CSS means I spend much of my time trying to figure out why pages look wrong in IE when they are fine in Firefox, Safari and Opera. IE7 is better than IE6, but that often just complicates things further, because both are still in use, so I have to troubleshoot two different sets of strange behaviors.
I've been having problems with Firefox 3.0. Slow, with a lot of crashes. It also seems to have a problem remaining resident even after being "closed". After having to go to the Task Manager for the 6th time, I downloaded Opera 9.5, which hasn't given me any problems so far.
One suspects that Google doesn't like plug-ins like
AdBlocker, given Google's devotion to ad revenue.
I believe the reason Chrome is a little buggy and lacks features
like ad blocking is that the existence of Chrome was accidentally
leaked before Google was ready to release it. So, they said, "Fuck
it.", and decided to make it public yesterday.
But wait- you're telling me that Microsuck has only lost 20%
of the market to Firefox? That means that there are large numbers
of people out there using IE, despite it being barely functional
and hardly secure for a browser.
Dude, Netscape still has over 10% share even though it's no longer
supported. Browser users are apparently very inertial.
BTW, is it just me or does having each tab as a separate instance
for each tab just scream "memory hog". Sure it's fine for 3 tabs,
but what about 10 or 20?
Misplaced animus, my ass. Unless you like crashes, reboots, and
corrupted, monolithic files that hold all your settings and
email.
Yeah, but Apple doesn't get hate for all their problems with the
iPhone.
Yeah, but Apple doesn't get hate for all their problems with the iPhone.
Pfft. Sure they do. Ignore the problems for ten years and you'll
even see MS levels of hate.
BTW, is it just me or does having each tab as a separate
instance for each tab just scream "memory hog". Sure it's fine for
3 tabs, but what about 10 or 20?
Not really. I assume Chrome would make extensive use of shared
libraries so that the fact that each tab is a separate process
isn't that big of a deal. The fact that some badly implemented
Flash or Javascript won't hang/crash the entire browser is a very
good reason to go the separate process route.
Mo,
on the hog issue, the process overhead is probably minuscule
compared to the content having to be loaded into memory. It'll add
up eventually, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't actually
more responsive because of better paging behavior and
whatever optimizations they've figured out. With memory being so
cheap and so many multi-core machines out there, this is probably
the way to go, even without the obvious win of sandboxing.
Actually, The Google Chrome Comic Book does a really good job of explaining the technical issues.
I tried it. Wasn't impressed. I'll stick with FF for now. Adblock, fasterfox, ie tab and tab mix plus give me the control I want. Only crashing one tab is the only thing I wish FF had.
"""And like the new version of Microsoft's browser, it offers an
"incognito" feature that lets users surf online without storing
cookies or a history of which sites they visited."""
Google's definition of incognito is not letting anyone else but
Google see it. Google has a history of storing everything you
do.
I heard what you were saying. You - you know nothing of my work.
Google Chrome is very fast, but with firefox i can have a lot of extensions... so... i keep my Fierfox.
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