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Sarah Palin, Gun-Toting Slayer of the Bridge to Nowhere
It's Sarah Palin for McCain
VP, and she has at least two things going for her in my eyes:
1) Lifetime membership in the NRA
2) About a year ago, she dealt the final blow to the Bridge to Nowhere, the handywork of fellow Alaskan Sen. Ted Stevens. According to the Anchorage Daily News:
She directed the state transportation department to find the most "fiscally responsible" alternative for access to the airport.
And yes, as far as I can tell, that really is a photo of Palin
with a deer some kind of Alaskan wildlife
that she shot.
BTS|8.29.08 @ 11:27AM|#
Goddamn, now I'm gonna have to vote for McCain AND take up praying so that he might kicked out of office somehow.
Other Matt|8.29.08 @ 11:30AM|#
BTS-Good strategy by McCain.."I'm old, I'll probably die in office and she'll be in charge, so vote for me"
|8.29.08 @ 11:31AM|#
Desperate effort to steal the spotlight with a novelty pick. The
McCain campaign clearly thought they needed something to change the
subject from last night's speech.
Maybe next time, Mittens.
|8.29.08 @ 11:33AM|#
Desperate effort to steal the spotlight with a novelty
pick.
So a novelty pick for vp is desperate, but a novelty pick for the
actual president is hope we can believe in?
|8.29.08 @ 11:33AM|#
Or is it change we can believe in? I have a hard time keeping all that drivel straight.
The Extispicator|8.29.08 @ 11:34AM|#
Am I wrong to be a little turned on when I look at that picture?
|8.29.08 @ 11:36AM|#
Desperate effort to steal the spotlight with a novelty pick.
The McCain campaign clearly thought they needed something to change
the subject from last night's speech.
Jesus fucking tapdancing Christ, joe, stop spinning for like, maybe
3 seconds. It was basically the best pick he could make. I know
your rampaging hard-on for Obama won't allow you to acknowledge
that, but for fuck's sake, try.
|8.29.08 @ 11:37AM|#
ClubMedSux might have won the thread with this:
So a novelty pick for vp is desperate, but a novelty pick for
the actual president is hope we can believe in?
I won't be voting GOP, but it is worth noting that Palin has more
executive experience than Obama and Biden combined.
And if Joe thought last night's speech was anything but more of the
same, I've got a bridge to nowhere to sell him.
|8.29.08 @ 11:37AM|#
Beats any of the white guys he could have chosen.
Except Ron Paul.
Well, yeah, that's a given, but I doubt Paul would have acepted the
offer from McCain.
|8.29.08 @ 11:37AM|#
It's funny: whenever I comment about the political implications
of something in this race, people change the subject to substance.
Whenever I comment on something substantive, people change the
subjec to horse-race politics.
Funny, that.
anon|8.29.08 @ 11:38AM|#
Calling Pain a "novelty pick" is a weak and desperate attack that only shows the lack of any substantive criticism.
|8.29.08 @ 11:39AM|#
Joe has a point in that it's an unusual pick for McCain.
First, let me say that of the Republicans both able and WILLING to
take on the VP job (I suspect there are a number who would not take
it -- Colin Powell springs to mind), she was probably the best pick
politically.
However, she undercuts one of McCain's primary attack lines ("Obama
lacks experience") since he's chosen chosen someone with less
experience than Obama, and stuffed her a heartbeat away from the
Presidency -- and McCain is, to be blunt, old enough that the VP
isn't just a "Whoops, giant scandal or assasination" backup.
Secondly, while her pro-life record will shore up his base -- which
has concerns over McCain's new stance on abortion, that'll bring
both the abortion issue (to which the GOP's current plank and
McCain's current stance are considerably more pro-life than among
independents and even the population as a whole) and risk
highlighting another massive issue shift by McCain.
Which plays into the Democratic attack line of Senator McCain
Versus Candidate McCain.
I do not know how her gender, or her limited history in Alaskan
government, will play amoung the GOP base, which is shakey enough.
Possibly well, possibly poorly.
But as I said -- probably the best pick of a bad lot.
Sarah Palin|8.29.08 @ 11:39AM|#
Boys... that's a caribou I shot. Sheesh, I thought you guys knew
everything about guns.
Now, I have to go fire the public safety commissioner. He's totally
not doing a good job.
|8.29.08 @ 11:40AM|#
joe, take your fucking mouth off Obama's cock for a few minutes. You get real old REAL fucking fast.
|8.29.08 @ 11:41AM|#
Episiarch, I now you really, really want to believe that America
is just desperate for a hawt, gun toting conservative governor in
2008, but is it beyond the realm of possiblity that you might be
able to consider the political implications of the election from
something other than your own likes and dislikes?
The guy whose entire campaign is based around foreign policy
experience and manly-man toughness just picked Sarah Palin to be
his Vice President. It really doesn't matter that she has
libertarianish traits you like - you are a fringe of a fringe in
the American political scene, and if you're going to comment on the
horse race, you need to try to look at events through a lens other
than your own reaction.
If Barack Obama had picked John Kerry as his running mate, I
personally would have thought it was a great pick, but I'm
objective enough to be able to recognize that it would be bad from
a political point of view.
Sheesh.
|8.29.08 @ 11:44AM|#
Wow, joe, once again you can read minds. I like Palin? Where do
you invent this shit? Can I visit, because it sounds like a real
trip.
You are the hackiest hackster since Mr. Hack went to Hacktown. If
you had the fucking stones to admit it I might respect you. But you
don't.
|8.29.08 @ 11:46AM|#
anon | August 29, 2008, 11:38am | #
Calling Pain a "novelty pick" is a weak and desperate attack that
only shows the lack of any substantive criticism.
Actually, it shows that I was commenting on the politics of the
pick.
Episiarch,
You certainly do like imagery involving gay sex, don't you? We get
it: you're a very emotional sort, but observing that I'm a Democrat
in colorful language doesn't actually rebut my comment.
|8.29.08 @ 11:46AM|#
The Extispicator,
It depends. Are you looking at Palin or are you looking at the dead
reindeer?
|8.29.08 @ 11:47AM|#
Oh, look, Epsiarch has called me a Democrat again.
I guess that means that Sarah Palin really does bolster the McCain
campaign's message about foreign policy experience.
|8.29.08 @ 11:48AM|#
Well if the list knocked around was:
Mitt Romney
Tim Pawlenty
Mike Huckabee
Tom Ridge
Joe Lieberman
Sarah Palin
She's clearly the best of that motley lot. I won't be voting for
them, but it's a surprisingly competent pick.
|8.29.08 @ 11:49AM|#
Don't you guys get it? A novelty pick is a good thing when it's
your own team selecting it, but it's a bad thing when it's the
other team is selecting it.
Democrats aren't the only ones willing to play identity politics
anymore, apparently. Good on the Repubs for that reason. At least
they've updated their strategy, if nothing else.
Old timer|8.29.08 @ 11:50AM|#
Ex POW McCain had a dream about Gov Palin while he was a guest of North Viet Nam for 5 1/2 years, in a tiger cage being beaten by gooks. Looks like he's made it full circle.
|8.29.08 @ 11:52AM|#
smacky,
Barack Obama spent a year and a half on the hustings, making his
case to the public, before being chosen as the nominee. As an
unknown novelty pick like Palin is now, he was polling under 20%,
and was eventually chosen becasue of how well he performed during a
very long, tough campaign against the premier political machine in
the Democratic Party, if not the country.
|8.29.08 @ 11:53AM|#
A novelty pick as VP is a lot better than one as President. I happen to think that she actually has some useful experience and a decent stand on things that I agree with. She's no libertarian, but she's decent ideologically.
|8.29.08 @ 11:53AM|#
Voros,
Mike Huckabee is an extremely talented, charismatic, likeable
speaker and debater. Is Palin?
|8.29.08 @ 11:54AM|#
Desperate effort to steal the spotlight with a novelty pick.
The McCain campaign clearly thought they needed something to change
the subject from last night's speech.
joe,
Was Hillary a novelty candidate? Or Obama? Your partisan
stripes are bleeding through your suit of objective analysis.
|8.29.08 @ 11:54AM|#
It's interesting that, even after Obama has been in this election campaign this long, so many people still only see him as the black candidate.
DADIODADDY|8.29.08 @ 11:54AM|#
ClubMedSux
Oh hell, I thought I was supposed to be hoping for change or was it
believing in change I could hope for? Now I hopelessly non
believing...in Obama
robc|8.29.08 @ 11:55AM|#
She'll be running against Hillary in 2012
Probably the most accurate comment in this thread.
I declare Kip the thread winner.
|8.29.08 @ 11:56AM|#
It's interesting that, even after Obama has been in this
election campaign this long, so many people still only see him as
the black candidate.
Ok, he's the charismatic black candidate. Other than that, I know
that he's for "change."
DADIODADDY|8.29.08 @ 11:57AM|#
Joe
I don't see Obama as the "black" candidate, I see him as the
pre-fabricated insubstantial inexperienced ignorant
candidate...sorry to rain on your racist parade...for my money if
he was orange, he'd still be a bonehead.
|8.29.08 @ 11:58AM|#
there was no way in hell mccain would pick ron paul much less
would he accept.
i'm not voting for mccain (or obama) but this was a decent suprise
pick as opposed to inevitable "oh...him" reaction to any of the of
the guys people were saying mccain might pick.
|8.29.08 @ 12:01PM|#
Clearly, this couldn't be too bad of a choice because Joe is
having kittens and throwing out obscenities.
I honestly don't know much about this woman and don't know that she
is a good pick. But Joe hates and that is a damn nice elk. I have
never gotten an elk and two hunting trips, although they are easier
to get in Alaska than Wyoming where I went. I would definitely like
to have dinner with her. That is more than I can say about Mitt
Romney or a lot of other politicians.
|8.29.08 @ 12:02PM|#
J sub D,
Hillary Clinton, and her politics, were known nationally for a
decade and a half before she ran for president. Then, she ran a
lengthy national political campaign across the country. So, I'd
have to say no.
As for Obama, even he had a higher profile than Palin, from his
2004 convention speech and the extensive press his Senate campaign
got. Even given that, he could have been considered somewdhat of a
novelty candidate when he started his run, but now he's run a
national campaign for two years. As opposed to Palin, who has
neither experience nor a large base of support built across the
country during a presidential campaign.
Look, if McCain had picked Kay Bailey Hutchinson, nobody would be
calling her a novelty. If he'd picked Elizabeth Dole, nobody would
be calling her a novelty.
But, hey, I'm a know Democrat, so there can't possibly be anything
to what I'm saying. Of course the unknown, one-term governor of
Alaska who just happens to be a woman was picked to be vice
president for reasons other than swinging women voters and looking
attractive for male ones. It's probably a combination of Alaska's
key status as a swing state and the McCain/Biden/Cheney/Byrd-level
of foreign policy experience she brings to the ticket.
tim|8.29.08 @ 12:05PM|#
I've gotten tired of the experience argument. No amount of experience in any sector (public or private) prepares you to be president. Less "experienced" people have been president (notably another individual from Ill). Its how you manage and who you choose for cabinet and advisers. And an MBA doesn't work - Bush proved that.
|8.29.08 @ 12:06PM|#
"Mike Huckabee is an extremely talented, charismatic, likeable
speaker and debater. Is Palin?"
I have no idea. She did some broadcasting so I assume she's not
terrible.
And of course as soon as she says she wants to rule the country by
"God's law" or whatever the hell Huckabee said to finish himself
off once and for all, she'll probably suffer the same fate.
I think there's a danger in conflating anti-abortion views with a
support of a coming American theocracy. I'm opposed to the former,
I'm really opposed to the latter. And it's on that score that
Huckabee scares the bejeezus out of me (and others).
This is a party whose best talents are busy waging war with their
own party more than the Democrats and so all of those people are
simply unavailable. McCain was faced with a bunch of lousy choices
and picked the one that was actually okay.
We all know the Republican party isn't going to win the
Presidential election, McCain has to do it on his own and this
seems like the best way to do so. There aren't enough Republican
voters to win, but he can't lose any of the ones he's already got
at the same time. She's about the only way to cover those two bases
with a VP pick.
|8.29.08 @ 12:07PM|#
Episiarch,
One of the commenters over at althouse said that she named her kids
after guns. If that is true, I may be in love.
|8.29.08 @ 12:07PM|#
Clearly, this couldn't be too bad of a choice because Joe is
having kittens and throwing out obscenities.
Obscenties? John, you're throwing out pre-packaged talking points
again. I haven't used any obscenities.
Kittens? What does that even mean? I said she was a bad pick that
undermines the campaign's message.
But Joe hates (her) Where did I say I hated her? Must be
in the same place as those obscentities.
|8.29.08 @ 12:10PM|#
As an unknown novelty pick like Palin is now, he was polling
under 20%, and was eventually chosen becasue of how well he
performed during a very long, tough campaign against the premier
political machine in the Democratic Party, if not the
country.
Joe, honestly, I usually appreciate your contrarian views, but
you're simply off the mark here. Obama was counseled by David
Axelrod, co-opted Harold Washington in his ads and received the
endorsement of Paul Simon's daughter. To say that Obama beat the
Democratic machine is to stretch the truth beyond recognition.
|8.29.08 @ 12:10PM|#
Voros,
I didn't know about the broadcasting bit. If she can bring some
style and charisma to the ticket, with sub-Romney levels of
jerkishness, that would be a real boon for the campaign.
It's a Quayle/Edwards pick, not a Cheney/Biden pick. Oh, wait, I'm
a Democrat; no, it's not.
|8.29.08 @ 12:11PM|#
So joe, in your dreams of Obama whisking you away to a dream life, are you a dude or a chick? I just want to know if I should call you Princess.
|8.29.08 @ 12:11PM|#
Joe,
You are spinning so fast on this woman being a bad pick your head
is about to explode. My guess is you probably don't know much more
about her than I do. You are trying a little too hard. Make that a
lot too hard. If she were a bad pick, you would just say "oh
well".
|8.29.08 @ 12:12PM|#
Kids are named; Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, and Trig, the youngest one that is afflicted with down's syndrome.
|8.29.08 @ 12:12PM|#
Club Med Sux,
I was talking about his presidential campaign against the Clinton
machine, not his Senate run.
guy in the back row|8.29.08 @ 12:14PM|#
I would definitely like to have dinner with her. That is
more than I can say about Mitt Romney or a lot of other
politicians.
Good point! Everyone was saying in 2000 that W was elected because
people wanted to drink a beer with him.
I'd love to split a six pack with Gov. Palin!!!
|8.29.08 @ 12:15PM|#
Episiarch, you have achieved sub-John levels of substance.
Congratulations.
John, My guess is you probably don't know much more about her
than I do. Wow, how'd you figure that out? Oh, right, it was
one of the points I keep making.
At some point, somebody is going to muster up the stones to put
forward an argument that I'm wrong, rather than observing that I
gotta be because I'm a Democrat.
Wait. No they're not, because as usual, there is not plausible case
to be made that contradicts what I've written.
And also, buk buk buk buk buh-cawk!
There, let's see if that can get something more meaningful than
"nuh-huh."
robc|8.29.08 @ 12:15PM|#
I think its more of a Calvin Coolidge pick than Quayle/Edwards. Niether of them had been governor. I agree it is nothing like Cheney/Biden.
|8.29.08 @ 12:17PM|#
it is worth noting that Palin has more executive experience
than Obama and Biden combined.
More than Lincoln as well.
Ok, he's the charismatic black candidate. Other than that, I
know that he's for "change."
Well, that's your fault. Obama's proposals for just about
everything are widely available. Of the two candidates, Obama is
currently way ahead in the details-providing department.
novelty pick
I don't know if I would have chosen the term "novelty pick" (to
easily misconstrued by those who like to engage in novelty
nit-picking), but I find sound the notion that part of McCain's
motivation in picking Palin was to create a news buzz to drown out
talk of Obama's speech. Media types are very surprised today, and
when they are suprised they write and talk. Obama's speech is
officially old news.
|8.29.08 @ 12:18PM|#
Whoa, there's one!
robc, I think that you might be right about gubenatorial experience
vs. legislative experience, in terms of how much weight the public
gives one vs. the other, but when we're in the low-single-digits in
terms of years, the differential probably isn't very
significant.
|8.29.08 @ 12:19PM|#
Episiarch, you have achieved sub-John levels of substance.
Congratulations.
Thanks, Princess.
|8.29.08 @ 12:21PM|#
Ethan,
Obama's speech is officially old news.
I don't know if we can say that yet, and I don't expect that
discussion of the speech will disappear entirely, but at least the
VP pick provides competition for the Obama-speech storyline. The
Sunday shows won't be an Obamathon, anyway.
robc|8.29.08 @ 12:21PM|#
joe,
Its rare for a governor to not be in the low single digits.
Bill Clinton was a huge exception.
D.A. Ridgely|8.29.08 @ 12:22PM|#
Both VEEP picks undercut the putative theme of the presidential
candidates, which is just another reason why one should never pay
attention to what candidates say. Whatever Joe Biden is (which, in
turn, depends I suppose on what someone else was previously), he's
no agent of change / Washington outsider. Whatever Palin is, she's
no seasoned pro ready to hit the ground running when McCain just
hits the ground.
Anyway, who'd a thunk the Libertarian Party ticket would be the
only one with a traditional offering of two middle-aged white
guys?
|8.29.08 @ 12:23PM|#
I wish she was running for president....I might have actually voted for a republican.
Curious|8.29.08 @ 12:26PM|#
I wish she was running for president....I might have
actually voted for a republican.
What happens if McCain passes away before the election but after
the convention? Would she be running as president? Would the party
pick someone else for the top of the ticket?
|8.29.08 @ 12:26PM|#
but when we're in the low-single-digits in terms of
years
lol
Who is desperate again joe?
moman|8.29.08 @ 12:27PM|#
A lot of great insight posted here. My favorite statement of the
day whether true or not "You are the hackiest hackster since Mr.
Hack went to Hacktown".
Ha! Killer line.
It'll give me something to laugh at as I ponder the Republicans
getting, at least, 8 more years.
|8.29.08 @ 12:28PM|#
robc (Now the go-to guy for presidential history),
I meant, governors chosen to run on a national ticket. Bush had two
terms, Clinton as you say, Regan had a couple terms, didn't he? IDK
about Carter.
|8.29.08 @ 12:28PM|#
What happens if McCain passes away before the election but
after the convention? Would she be running as president? Would the
party pick someone else for the top of the ticket?
If there were a Palin/Paul ticket, I think I would wet my
pants.
|8.29.08 @ 12:29PM|#
I guess I have a different demographical sense
than Joe does about how fringe libs are.
Maybe it is just "Hope I can believe in" but I think that soft core
libs make up a significant voting block these days.
Because foreign policy is very important to me, I would never ever
vote for McCain.
However, this pick is obviously meant to please gun owners, pro
lifers, and the libertarian Western states that Bob Barr is
threatening to take away from him.
It might, just might help him in the
South as well, where Native Son Barr is strongest.
We can only see. VP choices may or may not matter. But if you stack
up Biden vs Palin for the soft libertarian vote, the winner is
clear.
Biden is the anti libertarian. Palin is the almost maybe
libertarian mythical woman. Others on the thread above have admited
to serious fantasies over her already.
Is Alaska, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, Washington State,
Michigan, Minnesota, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia, Colorado now a
bit more in McCains pocket than in Barr/Obamas? Will there actually
be PUMA votes in November?
|8.29.08 @ 12:33PM|#
libertree,
I actually agree with you that "soft core libertarians" are a
double-digit section of the electorate, but I was being specific
about Pro Libertate, who is nobody's soft-core anything.
I hadn't thought of the Bob Barr angle. Picking a VP that will stop
people from going third party - I bet Al Gore wished he'd done
that.
Associated Press|8.29.08 @ 12:35PM|#
Obama Won't Run For President In 2008
The Illinois Senator Is Focused On His Current Job
Rockford (AP) ― U.S. Senator Barack Obama says there's zero chance
he'll run for president in 2008.
Obama's name has come up in speculation about the upcoming
presidential race.
But the Chicago Democrat today said that's not the job he's
concerned with right now.
Obama says the people of Illinois sent him to Washington to do a
job, not to start doing it and then switch to something else.
Obama rose to national prominence after his speech at the
Democratic National Convention last year. He'll be up for
re-election in the Senate in 2010.
(© 2005 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material
may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.)
Lee Cruz|8.29.08 @ 12:46PM|#
Mike Huckabee was good in the debates? What color is the sky in your world? Flashbacks of Hucklebee in California during the January Debate saying he'd fix the economy by building a new highway up n down the west coast. Every looked at him like he was fucking retarded.
Seward|8.29.08 @ 12:48PM|#
If I am not mistaken, in 2004 the Veep choice was an important issue to roughly 1% of voters (according to the polls I've heard about on the matter). I don't see why this election will be any different.
Quack|8.29.08 @ 12:48PM|#
Just watched the speech,
Included a tribute to HRC and Ferraro. That was just a hardcore
pitch for Hillary supporters.
Good speech - not Obama-riffic - a good speech, a good start for
her.
|8.29.08 @ 12:49PM|#
Lee Cruz,
It's best not to judge people's political performance based on your
own policy preferences.
I don't like what Huckabee had to say, either, but that's not the
point I was making.
|8.29.08 @ 1:01PM|#
I actually agree with you that "soft core libertarians" are
a double-digit section of the electorate, but I was being specific
about Pro Libertate, who is nobody's soft-core anything.
Ok, that made me laugh.
Lee Cruz|8.29.08 @ 1:01PM|#
Name one debate where Huckle-bee handed everyone their asses?
The only reason that guy had any following is because he was the
only candidate pandering the Traditionalist Wing of the Republican
Party. You're saying he's a good speaker or debator or whatever,
give us an example. And line about his "Proposed" policy was so
absurd that even McCain was puzzled. Wrap your shallow mind around
how dumbfounded everyone on planet fucking earth was when he said
that.
L
PS
Palin makes McCain's Campaign look hypocritical and shallow.
Everyone will care for the national attention span of oh about 1.5
seconds. By the time November comes around, all the ugly parrots
will be repeating new lines. McCain takes a net gain in my
unsolicited opinion
|8.29.08 @ 1:05PM|#
Lee,
Towards the end, when he hit McCain with the "No executive
experience" card.
I'll also point out that Bill Clinton, who knows a bit about these
things, was quoted saying that he's not surprised Mike Huckabee ran
so strongly, because he's "the only one who can give a speech or
tell a joke."
Naga Sadow|8.29.08 @ 1:13PM|#
Joe,
Wow! How do you do it? It's like you intentionally try to battle
multiple opponents at the same time. It's like a retarded samurai
taking on a handful of ninjas.
|8.29.08 @ 1:17PM|#
Two hours, zero refutations.
joez dumb.
joez a Democrat.
I'm right, and nobody can even think of a meaningful rebuttal.
|8.29.08 @ 1:23PM|#
Let me add an item to the con column.
Sarah Palin believes creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in public schools.
http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html
"Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy
debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a
proponent of teaching both."
-Sarah Palin
Ugh.
|8.29.08 @ 1:23PM|#
joe, it isn't, IMHO, that they can't rebutt you. It is their opinion, I think, that your position is so silly that it isn't worth their amazing mental powers to refute. See also; athiest having discourse with christian.
|8.29.08 @ 1:25PM|#
I don't know if we can say that yet, and I don't expect that
discussion of the speech will disappear entirely, but at least the
VP pick provides competition for the Obama-speech
storyline.
Obama gave a speech? when?
At least McCain is going to get a bounce out of his convention. So
ha haha haaaa haaaaa, Joe.
On Palin, There are things about her I don't like: Creationism in
science classes. Anti-abortion, Stem cells are bad evil
things.
But at least she has been doing things and accomplishing things
while in office instead on nothing but fucking running for
president.
Lee Cruz|8.29.08 @ 1:26PM|#
1st point ehh I give you a 5 out of 10. Bill Clinton remark... I give you 11 out of 10.
|8.29.08 @ 1:28PM|#
joe,
You've been rebutted (is that a word?). That you disregard the
rebuttals is your problem.
|8.29.08 @ 1:45PM|#
Reading her bio... OMFG! She's younger than I am! I feel sooooo old now. I wonder if Amazon sells walkers online.
|8.29.08 @ 1:55PM|#
I have seen a pic of her holding and pointing a military assault rifle. Anyone find that pic on the web? If so could you give me a URL please?
Old timer|8.29.08 @ 1:57PM|#
You can fool some of the people....but you can fool Democrats and Republicans all of the time.
|8.29.08 @ 2:05PM|#
Uh, troy?
At least McCain is going to get a bounce out of his convention.
So ha haha haaaa haaaaa, Joe.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109933/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Stretches-Lead-Points.aspx
www.rasmussenreports.com
www.realclearpolitics.com
Tell the truth, did you do any research on whether there was a
bounce, or did you just take somebody's word for it?
|8.29.08 @ 2:11PM|#
You've been rebutted (is that a word?). That you disregard
the rebuttals is your problem.
A rebuttal is an argument which disproves a previous argument. No
one has even put forward a plausible argument whey I'm wrong, just
"joez an idiot," "joez mean," and of course, "joez a Democrat."
|8.29.08 @ 2:16PM|#
Brandybuck | August 29, 2008, 1:52pm | #
Okay, I give up. Someone help me out here. What makes Palin a
"novelty" pick?
She was picked purely for media image, mainly her gender and looks.
She's all about optics - how she makes the ticket look. They're
obviously trying to attract Hillary voters - with the shoutouts to
Hillary and Geraldine - but unlike Hillary, she doesn't have any
sort of profile on the issues that Hillary voters like, just her
gender. She's also cute and young.
Novelty pick - she was picked purely for the effect thak such a
person has on the campaign's image.
|8.29.08 @ 2:19PM|#
After leading by just one or two points for most of August,
the Democratic hopeful opened a three-point advantage over McCain
last Friday
Holy shit joe. A whole fucking point. I mean wow!
|8.29.08 @ 2:19PM|#
Very interesting move by McCain. A day ago, I would have rather
killed myself than vote for McCain. Now it's almost a tie.
By the way, I'm pretty sure the animal in the photo (the dead one,
I mean) is a caribou. The antlers and the muzzle are pretty
distinctive to that species.
Trivia: The reindeer is the domesticated form of the caribou.
SIV|8.29.08 @ 2:26PM|#
The only way I could be happier is if she was at the top of the ticket.I can now root for(but not vote) the Republican team with a good conscience.A big Fuck You to the Animal Rightists and gun grabbers.
Franklin Harris|8.29.08 @ 2:27PM|#
Novelty pick - she was picked purely for the effect thak such a person has on the campaign's image.
Kinda like how Obama got the Democratic nomination.
|8.29.08 @ 3:02PM|#
She was picked purely for media image, mainly her gender and looks. She's all about optics - how she makes the ticket look. They're obviously trying to attract Hillary voters
Obviously? I just don't see. Diehard PUMAs may switch to McCain
just for that, but they only managed to attract 60 or so people to
their national meeting, so we can safely discount them. I've met
some dumb Hillary supporters during the past year and a half, but
it's still a huge stretch to say they're only voting on
gender.
If there's any novelty here in my mind, it's the age. I'm guessing
she was picked for her relative youth and "small government"
reputation.
|8.29.08 @ 3:46PM|#
Let me add an item to the con column.
Sarah Palin believes creationism should be taught alongside
evolution in public schools.
Yeah, you're right; the fact that she believes public schools ought
to be in business at all *is* a mark against her.
|8.29.08 @ 5:58PM|#
Quite the reader, aren't you, Troy?
Obama swing ten points in Gallup, and those results were from
BEFORE the Clinton/Biden speeches, nevermind last night. Ten points
on Hillary's speech alone.
Keep up that wishful thinking.
|8.29.08 @ 6:08PM|#
Palin's time in office has been spent serving Alaska. Obama's has been spent serving himself. Bring on that experience bullshit. Let's talk about actual accomplishments. Scoring cheap housing and eliminating opponents from ballots ain't close to what Palin's done.
|8.29.08 @ 6:15PM|#
Uh, yeah, you know those selfish community organizers.
When did you start describing a high-paying government job with
lots of power as selfless, James?
|8.29.08 @ 6:32PM|#
I never said selfless. And by community organizers don't you mean ballot signature protesters?
|8.29.08 @ 6:41PM|#
Finally, it's one thing to desire public office, it's another thing entirely to actually believe that I'm the one we've been waiting for.
|8.29.08 @ 8:09PM|#
So shooting animals for sport is fine, but sucking out a cluster
of cells that might someday become a human being is immoral and
should be illegal?
You stay classy, Sarah Palin.
|8.30.08 @ 12:53PM|#
It's not a matter of LOVING OBAMA. It's simply being able to see that McBush is going to be 4 more years of pointless war and a worse off economy. If you're not rich with money in the same companies as Cheney, Bush sr & jr, the Bin Laden family, and Palin then you're an idiot to vote for them. They will use your retarded religious values against you to get your vote then screw you with the economy.....sound familiar?
|8.30.08 @ 12:54PM|#
the lady has screwed polar bears and sister's ex's other than that she has NOT done much but push out babies look it up and read something
|9.1.08 @ 12:12AM|#
"So shooting animals for sport is fine, but sucking out a
cluster of cells that might someday become is
already a human being (in its earliest
stages) is immoral and should be illegal?"
In the interest of clarifying a particular point of view ...
"fixed."
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