Jacob Sullum | August 7, 2008
After a year-long investigation that never should have happened, the Alberta Human Rights and Citizenship Commission has rejected a complaint against Ezra Levant, former publisher of the now-defunct Canadian magazine the Western Standard, over his decision to reprint the controversial Muhammad cartoons that originally appeared in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. Levant declined to celebrate:
This censor approved what I wrote. His decision is not that I have freedom of speech. His decision is that I have his approval. I'm not interested in his approval. The only test of free speech is if I can write what he disapproves of with impunity. That's what freedom of speech is, to piss off some second-rate bureaucrat like Pardeep Gundara [the commission official who recommended against a hearing on the complaint] and know that you have the right to do so, because you're in Canada, not Saudi Arabia.
Yasmeen Nizam, a director of the Edmonton Council of Muslim Communities, which brought the complaint, told the National Post:
We thought this was a good way to bring our concerns to the attention of the public. Obviously we didn't want this to continue, so [another goal was] perhaps to discourage people from further maligning our prophet and our religion... We wanted this to have a deterrent effect.
Presumably the "this" she does not want to continue is speech that offends Muslims, and she may get her wish. Even without a hearing or a formal penalty, this sort of investigation, which costs the target time, effort, and money, is indeed apt to "have a deterrent effect."
Matt Welch noted Levant's case in January. I wrote a column about it in February and followed up in a post a couple months ago.
[Thanks to J sub D for the tip.]
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No Canadian magazine better EVER parody The Flying Spaghetti Monster! I will sue them to protect the honour of MY religion.
"so [another goal was] perhaps to discourage people from further
maligning our prophet and our religion..."
Grow the fuck up. You live in a free society that allows you to go
about YOUR business and practice YOUR muslim religion and leaves
YOU free malign other religions. How can you reward that society
and the freedom it provides you by actively attempting to strip
others of the same rights?
What a bitch.
Should I ever have occasion to meet Yasmeen Nizam, I will inform
her that if she is offended by an observation of the obvious, she
should work it out in therapy.
Levant is right.
-jcr
"Juanita | October 11, 2007, 11:43am | #
Of course, this may server well to "make an example" for other kids
tempted to break any law."
Obviously we didn't want this to continue, so [another goal
was] perhaps to discourage people from further maligning our
prophet and our religion
Even if for the purposes of argument we granted that the State had
the moral right to prevent the maligning of Mohammed or any other
religious figure, why do we think that some sort of objective
standard exist for what constitutes "maligning?"
The entire concept of hate speech tribunals rest on the unstated
and unsupported supposition that a consensus can and does exist
about what constitutes unacceptable speech. Further it is assumed
that even it a consensus did exist, it would be one that history
will eventually judge just.
I think hate speech is an example of Leftist mistaken an
hypothetical ideal for reality. They imagine how neat if would be
if government could punish and deter those who seek to divide
society and then they move from that fantasy construct immediately
to making it real without considering all the real world
impediments.
"Juanita | April 4, 2007, 8:51am | #
I believe laws against "showing drugs in a favorable light" are a
requirement of the UN single convention treaty."
What a joke.
It's interesting to me that Canada and a lot of European countries
censor politics but are libertarians about boobies, while American
censorship works more often the other way around.
"It's interesting to me that Canada and a lot of European
countries censor politics but are libertarians about boobies, while
American censorship works more often the other way around."
Not always . . . .
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/127969.html
Hey Mohamed, Juanita, or Yasmeen have you seen my balls?
They're big and salty and brown
If you ever need a quick Pick-me-up
Just stick my balls in your mouth...
Ooh, Suck on my chocolate salty balls
Stick em in your mouth and suck em!
Suck on my Chocolate Salty balls
they're packed full of goodness, high in Fiber
Suck on My balls!
Troy, shouldn't you be trying to rehabilitate your thetan"?
What really annoys me about Nizam is that she made that bilious douchebag Levant appear to be on the proper side of an argument, for once in his life.
Bartman, I am not familiar with most of Levant's work. Could you explain? What positions does he usually take?
I think that the process of the human rights complaint has
exposed the Muslims to far more hatred than Ezra Levant could in
ten lifetimes. I once had tolerance for all faiths. Islam is now
contesting with Christianity for the one I most want to see wiped
from the earth.
Hypocrisy-Ackbar. Amen.
I am not familiar with most of Levant's work
It's not his work I'm criticizing, but his personality. Anyone
who's had to be in the same environment as him will concur - he's
not pleasant to interact with. Self-righteous egomaniacal blowhard
lawyer/political strategist/tabloid columnist/failed-neo-con-rag
publishers seldom are.
But I thought it was wrong that Keegstra was charged, and it was
wrong that Levant was. That's one of the reasons I left Canada, and
seldom visit (except for the F1 race in Montreal.)
TIA.
Bartman,
Since I gather you once lived in Canada perhaps you would know,
isn't there something equivalent to the U.S. Constitution's First
Amendment? How is it worded? We have had laws that violated our
First Amendment (the most recent being McCain-Feingold) but one of
the positive things to come out of the 1960's was a more healthy
respect for civil liberties.
No Canadian magazine better EVER parody The Flying Spaghetti
Monster! I will sue them to protect the honour of MY
religion.
You just need a significant minority of your followers to be
terrorists and/or terrorist sympathizers and you have the "respect"
that Islam enjoys.
Ironic,
Freedom of speech is defined as a fundamental human right in the
Constitution Act of 1982.
Give me a few minutes to look up the exact wording...
Fundamental Freedoms
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including
freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
So there you go. Its one of the fundamentals, straight off the
first page, not an afterthought amendment like in the States.
Now if only our activist judiciary could remember that...
Ironic,
Section 1 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
states:
1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.
So there is no protection for speech violating those "reasonable
limits".
I would say that the charges brought against Levant fail to be demonstrably justified, given just how much the human rights commissions are getting slagged up here over this whole case. Pretty much every newspaper in at least my part of the country is calling for the HRCs to be abolished.
"This censor approved what I wrote. His decision is not that I
have freedom of speech."
He's not allowed to make the latter decision. Levant got the best
possible result. Someone comes with a complaint, what else is he
supposed to do, say, "No, I'm officially in today, but not taking
any customers."? Even if the censor believes in freedom of speech,
all he can do is pretend to approve all speech. Secret
non-censorship is allowed, but open non-censorship isn't.
The entire concept of hate speech tribunals rest on the unstated and unsupported supposition that a consensus can and does exist about what constitutes unacceptable speech.
No, it just rests on the concept that someone can produce a result.
Either way is what it is, consensus is irrelevant. If it's not
accepted, then by definition it's not acceptable, for if it were
able to be accepted it would've been; if it's accepted, then by
definition it's acceptable.
Pretty much every newspaper in at least my part of the country is calling for the HRCs to be abolished.
That's remarkable, given that the Human Rights Commissions and how
they operate so typify Canada.
"Juanita | January 16, 2008, 1:01pm | #
This is a travesty of justice. A high level merchant of death like
this who is poisoning America's children need life in prison, 5
years is a mere slap on the wrist, this doesn't send a serious
enougth message."
"Juanita | June 26, 2007, 11:26am | #
I'm all for free speech but it has to have limits. Example, you
can't yell fire in a theatre, you can't say the word bomb,
regardless of the context, in the vicinity of an aircraft, etc. You
do not have the right to question the governments laws,
particularly drug laws, this is a fair restriction on free speech
in order to be sure the right message is sent."
"So there is no protection for speech violating those
"reasonable limits"."
Interesting. So you have free speech except when you don't.
"Somebody had a Juanita fetish. I don't know if I'm intrigued or
repulsed."
All you have to do is type "Juanita" in the Google custom search
box at the top of this page.
White Anglo-Saxon Heathen | August 7, 2008, 8:04pm:
So there you go. Its one of the fundamentals, straight off the first page, not an afterthought amendment like in the States.
You do know that the bill of rights, the amendments to further
limit the federal government's power, was required by several
states in order for them to agree to ratify the constitution,
right?
Also, it was ratified a couple of hundred years before
Canada's.
So there you go. Its one of the fundamentals, straight off
the first page, not an afterthought amendment like in the
States.
If Congress was confined to the powers specified in Article 1 of
the US Constitution, there would be no need for the First
Amendment. Well, I guess you'd need it to keep them from putting
religious verbiage on the money they're authorized to coin, but
still...
"Somebody had a Juanita fetish. I don't know if I'm intrigued or
repulsed."
can't it be both
I really like this Ezra Levant. Even when he "wins", he still
cuts to the quick of the issue: He's not looking for government
approval. His point is there should be no approval needed. Sort of
like the irony of the ACLU having to get a
nod from government bureaucrats lest they violate FEC campaign
rules.
A former member of the Federal Election Commission, Scott Thomas, said the [ACLU] ads would not meet the standard to be considered an improper donation to a federal campaign. "My gut feeling is that that probably would not be deemed express advocacy," Mr. Thomas said. "It does seem to be done in the context of a legislative battle."
I'm all for free speech but it has to have
limits.
Hmm, how many
times...
Let's see here. I'm all for free speech but...
The word but here modifies the preceding words and changes them to
mean: "I'm against free speech"
Then don't let it have a deterrent effect. Turn it around and
have a deterrent effect the other way.
I would never be calling this particular bunch of goat-humpers a
bunch of goat-humpers, but now with this lawsuit, I am. Stupid
Canadian goat-humpers.
And by goat-humpers, I mean exceptionally retarded Muslims. This
does not describe all Muslims, but it does describe some and
definitely this bunch.
I would never be calling this particular bunch of goat-humpers a bunch of goat-humpers, but now with this lawsuit, I am. Stupid Canadian goat-humpers.
Silly Westerner. Goats aren't just for humping.
"not an afterthought amendment like in the States."
I know I'm echoing Anonymous above, but Canada didn't get their
Charter of Rights and Freedoms until 1982. The Bill of Rights was
adopted in 1791.
Which one was an afterthought?
It's interesting to me that Canada and a lot of European
countries censor politics but are libertarians about boobies, while
American censorship works more often the other way
around.
It is my understanding that, in countries that have laws against
"hate speech", or other such things, the prohibition extends to a
broad variety of media. In the US, the prohibition on tits and
profanity and so forth applies only to publicly owned
airwaves.
I think under the first amendment, there are certain media in which
the US government can't prohibit any form of expression as
long as a crime is not committed in the act of making it
(especially non-commercial publications that are not visible except
to those who want to see them). But if anyone out there is an
expert in the case law on obscenity or something, correct me if I'm
wrong.
All muslims have the inalienable right to kiss my red hairy arse. To every rug kneeling mecca pointing muslim retard who thinks that jihad is good idea, remember the reponse to the question why there were no arabic characters on Star Trek...cuase it takes place in the future
Amendment to my last post:
I should add to this:
"I think under the first amendment, there are certain media in
which the US government can't prohibit any form of expression as
long as a crime is not committed in the act of making it"
The government can also prohibit it if there is a crime in the
distribution (i.e. copyright laws) or something like that. My point
is that the crime can not be "offensive" content or ideas or the
vulgar mode of expression.
I think under the first amendment, there are certain media
in which the US government can't prohibit any form of expression as
long as a crime is not committed in the act of making it
(especially non-commercial publications that are not visible except
to those who want to see them). But if anyone out there is an
expert in the case law on obscenity or something, correct me if I'm
wrong.
I do not claim exertise on the subject, but visiting here,
here and
here
should get you started.
Or just google obscenity prosecution bush administration and have a
ball.
"Bartman, I am not familiar with most of Levant's work. Could
you explain? What positions does he usually take?"
The guy has no fucking clue about any other position Levant has
taken. He is just a moron making shit up as he goes along. See the
quote below for proof of this.
"It's not his work I'm criticizing, but his personality. Anyone
who's had to be in the same environment as him will concur - he's
not pleasant to interact with. Self-righteous egomaniacal blowhard
lawyer/political strategist/tabloid columnist/failed-neo-con-rag
publishers seldom are."
It sure seems to me that you are criticizing his work, dumbass. And
I would be willing to bet everything I own that you have had
absolutely no dealings with this guy or know anyone who has had
dealings with Ezra Levant. Furthermore, I would be willing to bet
you have zero familiarity with Levant's beliefs and his writings.
You have probably not even read one word of the Western Standard.
That you refer to Levant as a neocon because he is a jew is pretty
obvious. In short, Bartman, you are an ignorant asshole.
Let me add Mary Beth Buchanan as a worthy google search if you are fond of freedom of expression.
It's interesting to me that Canada and a lot of European
countries censor politics but are libertarians about boobies, while
American censorship works more often the other way
around.
joe, if by "censorship" you are referring to our campaign finance
laws, I would agree. Except for those, I don't really see any
government agencies investigating and penalizing anyone for
expressing political opinions, though.
Presumably the "this" she does not want to continue is
speech that offends Muslims,
Can't they just turn the other cheek?
Oh, right.
J sub D
I checked those links out and did a bit of googling. I am still not
sure of the following: Is a commercial element required for
prosecution of "obscenity"? All the prosecutions I've seen
descriptions of involved money changing hands. I don't know whether
one can be prosecuted for privately producing (and exchanging with
other adults) obscene material in a non-commercial manner.
Of course, even commercial production and sale of obscene material
should be legal. As long as its not done in a manner that
violates anyone's rights.
joe, if by "censorship" you are referring to our campaign
finance laws, I would agree.
It is my understanding that even the most restrictive campaign
finance law only applies to a narrow range of broadcast media.
Courts have prohibited its application to blogs , for example. And
even on those media, you can express any opinion or idea you want
without running into regulation, except for overt endorsement or
rejection of particular candidate(s).
Which does not necessarily make McCain-Feingold (or similiar laws)
right, of course.
That's what freedom of speech is, to piss off some
second-rate bureaucrat like Pardeep Gundara...
Oh, is it?
I always thought there were principles higher than trolling
involved, and that people getting offended by prejudiced,
inflammatory speech was an unavoidable byproduct, not the actual
goal, of free speech guarantees.
I think Ezra Levant is a self-righteous blowhard and I disagree with much of what I've read from him, but I donated to his cause last year out of principle and don't regret it. For the utopia that many make Canada out to be, I haven't heard a whole lot of outrage about these "free speech counsels" or whatever the Canucks are calling them.
Ahhhh, the sweet irony of it all.
Here we have legislation in Canada curtailing free speech, enacted
at the behest of the Canadian Jewish Congress and their enabler the
Canadian Liberal Party's justice minister of the day one Irwin
Cotler with impeccable Jewish credentials...
Then some backward followers of Islam have the temerity, the
unmitigated gall, no the BRAINS, to use these same laws, used by
the Jewish community in Canada to curtail any and all discussion
and criticism of Israel, to attack a member of their tribe.
I think Canadians owe the Islamists a large vote of thanks for
bringing such shameful legislation to the forefront and attention
of the world.
To you USA citizens, your situation is not much better; after all
you are using an anonymous forum to vent your spleen. If you were
to do so publicly in front of city hall so to speak, odds are you
would loose your job.
What comes around goes around... Do us all a big favour and contact
the Canadian High Commission or the Canadian Embassy and tell them
point blank about your disgust with such laws and the use to which
they are put.
Thanks.
H.F. Wolff
H.F. Wolff
I agree with you that "hate speech" prohibition is unjust (assholes
have free speech rights also).
But this:
To you USA citizens, your situation is not much better; after
all you are using an anonymous forum to vent your spleen. If you
were to do so publicly in front of city hall so to speak, odds are
you would loose your job.
Doubt it. Most people just ignore a single person ranting on a
public street. A mass demonstration would get some attention. But
very few employers peruse footage of protesting crowds looking for
employees who attended so they can fire them.
And one thing thats great about this country is that the
constitution is hard core about free speech - the government can
not criminalize the expression of any viewpoint, even a
repugnant and/or idiotic one.
Now....what thread are they hijacking to talk about the Georgia
thing?
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