David Weigel | July 21, 2008
In November, San Francisco voters will get to vote on whether to decriminalize prostitution in the city.
The measure would bar authorities from spending money to investigate or prosecute people for engaging in prostitution.
The measure, which qualified Friday, would also end a local program that allows those caught soliciting a prostitute for the first time to avoid charges if they attend a class and pay a fine.
And the measure got in the ballot in large part because of Starchild, America's best-dressed Libertarian activist. He helped collect the signatures to qualify it, and he's one of the measure's spokespeople. Eric Dondero pays tribute:
Libertarians and most especially Libertarian Republicans are aligned with Conservatives more and more these days, on a variety of civil liberties issues. Conservatives have come around on smoking bans, seat belt laws, speed limits, free speech rights, and even in some cases on the gambling front. But they still seem completely out-of-touch on sexual matters, and hopelessly uncool.
And they wonder why young people are turning off to the GOP in record numbers.
Perhaps they should consider that it's their oldline prudishness that's more of a turn-off to younger voters than the War in Iraq. Solution: Let the Libertarians take the lead on issues such as legalization of prostitution and swingers' rights, and bring some hipness back to the GOP.
It's a beautiful coda to the city's 2007 lawsuit against Starchild, which he won.
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DONDEROOOOOOOOO!
Solution: Let the Libertarians take the lead on issues such as
legalization of prostitution and swingers' rights, and bring some
hipness back to the GOP.
...so they can see that you can be cool and start needless wars at
the same time.
Didn't a bunch of splitters form a new party last time the LP tried to modify the Swingers' Rights plank of the platform?
DONDEROOOOOOOOO!
Crimethink, Dondero finally said something that makes sense. Let's
encourage this behavior, instead of taking cheap shots.
Kinda like the weekend thread where people were taking swipes at
Neu Mejican, lumping him in with the leftists on the thread, when
NM was saying libertarian stuff.
Give credit where it's due.
"Libertarians and most especially Libertarian Republicans are
aligned with Conservatives more and more these days"
I think Dondero has been sniffing glue.
prolefeed,
I think you've gotta read the Dondero quote in the voice of Austin
Powers (adding, "Yeah, Baby!" to the end of each sentence) to
really get the full effect.
Kinda like the weekend thread where people were taking
swipes at Neu Mejican, lumping him in with the leftists on the
thread, when NM was saying libertarian stuff.
Ahh yes, my moral complicity with Chinese facotries for failing to
hold them to some subjective pseudoscientific environmental
standards.
Gaia save me!
Here's StarChild in action, er, at a libertarian national convention: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdailey77/183465744/in/set-72157594189715338/
shit, there should be a < < starchild after that. Stupid preview button, not forcing me to click it.
prolefeed,
I apologize for not quoting the part I actually had a problem
with:
Perhaps they should consider that it's their oldline
prudishness that's more of a turn-off to younger voters than the
War in Iraq.
Sorry, his trying to downplay the idiocy of the Iraq War negates
any credit he gets for being on the right side on other issues.
"The measure would bar authorities from spending money to
investigate or prosecute people for engaging in
prostitution."
Wouldn't such a broadly written law prevent or impede the police
from investigating cases of sex trafficking? I'm all for legalizing
prostitution, but sexual slavery is real. The only ways to
effectively curtail it are bringing the sex industry fully into the
light, which this measure does not do, or vigorous enforcement,
which this measure prevents.
"facotries."
Randian has apparently outsourced his spelling.
That's how it's spelled in my Wal-Mart desks instructions!
Wouldn't such a broadly written law prevent or impede the
police from investigating cases of sex trafficking? I'm all for
legalizing prostitution, but sexual slavery is real.
So investigate them for kidnapping.
Since when is Dondero some kind of Libertarian spokesman?
This is the guy who supported Giuliani as "the libertarian
candidate" (who was going to smack down the "authoritarian" Hillary
in the general election) and spent the whole primary season
attacking his ex-boss Ron Paul for not wanting to kill brown
people.
a local program that allows those caught soliciting a
prostitute for the first time to avoid charges if they attend a
class and pay a fine.
A class in what? How not to get caught?
Reading the title, for a second I thought that the Mothership had descended and given Dondero the funk.
DONDEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Conservatives have come around on smoking bans, seat belt laws,
speed limits, free speech rights, and even in some cases on the
gambling front.
If he means they've come around to supporting them, then yes, he's
right on the money. What a douchetard.
DONDEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
If this passes, I might actually say that some liberals are actually liberal in at least one way.
I suspect that San Francisco, one of the most liberal cities
with regards to "personal rights"*, will flunk this thing by a
monstrous margin. Not that I have any real backing to this
assumption but people vote with their hearts, not their minds, and
as "progressive" as the residents of SF are I don't think they will
get over the "ewww" factor. Additionally, I would not be at all
surprised if an organization forms that explicitly denouncing this
bill because it doesn't call for taxing prostitute's fares or
provide for their healthcare.
*I enclose personal rights in quotes since a lot of people, the
residents of SF being a prime example, seem to disassociate many
personal choices from the realm of rights. Smoking, true property
ownership and use, etc.
I'd like to see San Fran live up to its supposed "freewheeler"
cred, but most city mice have their own set of prejudices and
ignorance. I just find country mice a hair more intolerable (and
usually less read...though not always).
Anywho, the silver lining is if Frisco fails this, we can all mock
the "liberaltarian" movement relentlessly.
During the heyday of the Ron Paul movement (last January or so), Wired Magazine was going to do a walk-along with a group of supporters handing out literature door to door. We wanted to put our best face on it, so we all made sure that Starchild did not find out about it! If there's a reporter within one hundred miles of San Fransisco doing a story on libertarians, Starchild will find him! It's freaking embarassing.
As far as the whole flaming gay thing, wasn't he arrested for being paid to have sex with women?
Hey David, thanks for the link. Very kind of you.
Interesting Factoid: Do you all realize that if San Francisco does
this, it will become the second community in the Nation to have
virtual legalized prostitution? The first being the 10 Counties in
Nevada, of course.
Remember Gambling in the 1970s? It was limited to just Nevada. Then
one day a tiny town in South Dakota - Deadwood - took the step of
legalizing it. Then, within months, Atlantic City followed suit.
And it's been gangbusters ever since.
Perhaps Starchild deserves even more credit than we're giving him.
We could see other communities who are on the edge of legalizing
prostitution come over soon, if San Francisco takes the leap. Just
like what happened with Gambling in the 1970s.
BTW, a small pet peeve of mine:
We often say that Prostitution is legal only in the State of Nevada
in the USA.
Well, this is only partly true.
Prostitution is completely legal in Puerto Rico, as well. They have
brothels right there in downtown San Juan.
Another reason we libertarians should be supportive of Statehood
for PR!
But let's make sure to mention that little fact, when talking about
this issue: "Prostitution is legal in two States - Nevada and
Puerto Rico, and is about to be legalized in California, as
well."
(I know, it's bending the truth a teensy weensy bit. But hey,
that's politics!)
Dondero's only supportive of this law because ordering a
prostitute is about the only way he can get laid.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Thank you Eric Dondero and David Weigel for writing about
prostitution decriminalization in San Francisco, and I appreciate
your kind words. In all honesty though, I would like to say that
although my role was not insignificant, chief credit for getting
the measure on the ballot belongs to the author and official
proponent, Maxine Doogan, along with a couple activists with
Industrial Workers of the World who collected the most
signatures.
Since qualifying for the ballot, organizing the campaign has mostly
fallen to myself and Maxine, and we are probably the two people
most identified with it at this point.
You can read the text of the initiative at the Erotic Service
Providers Union website (http://espu-ca.org/wp/?page_id=173), and
contribute online via credit card via that site if you would like
to support the measure. If you prefer to mail a check, I encourage
people to make checks out to the Libertarian Party of San Francisco
and send them, with "prostitution measure" or the equivalent
written on the memo line, to 2215-R Market Street, #170, San
Francisco, CA 94114.
I've also started a Meetup group that is a good place to keep up
with what's going on with the campaign --
http://localpolitics.meetup.com/241/
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