Matt Welch | June 10, 2008
The Bush administration, in an aggressive new effort to keep illegal immigrants out of the workforce, on Monday ordered all companies doing business with the federal government to begin ensuring their employees can legally work in the U.S.
The order will require thousands of firms to use a government system called E-Verify to check workers' Social Security numbers. [...]
Firms doing business with the government risk losing their contracts if they break federal rules.
What's the problem with that? What part about "illegal" don't they understand???? Oh wait:
[I]n 2006 the Social Security inspector general found discrepancies in 17.8 million records for citizens and legal immigrants[.]
Women sometimes change their last names when getting married. The Social Security Administration database sometimes generates its own mistakes through sloppy data entry or god knows what else. Does your company employ 24 people? If so, one of your co-workers, on average, has a discrepancy in the SSA database, and would therefore disqualify your company from contracting with the feds until the error is fixed and certified. Good luck with that!
And as almost always happens, another "fix" on illegal immigration ends up punishing U.S. citizens.
Kerry Howley on E-Verify here and here and here and here.
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Wow, I wish someone would deem Dictator Bush illegal and ship
him off somewhere!
JT
http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com
You guys just don't understand do you?
The past few years have shown that if we are to live in a free
society, we must accept a regime where government permission is
necessary to work.
Oh, and there is no chance that this system will be used to punish political opponents - government officials in the U.S. are incorruptable and are never vindictive.
Look on the bright side: if the Feds can't get any contractors
due to their own silly rules, then perhaps the Fed won't get any of
its work done. Perhaps all of its plans and projects will collapse
for want of competent workers.
Yay!
Matt, we're going to need you come into the office. There's a
problem with your paperwork.
You should bring everything you'll need for some extended
involuntary travel abroad.
If god wants upper-case to be a verb, then it's a verb.
Lord, tell us, are only the cheesmakers blessed, or are all workers
in the dairy industry blessed?
An ID requirement like this, based on the government's records,
is going to be a disaster and deprive innocent, law-abiding people
of their rights.
But only when applied to verifying people for employment. When
applied by 80 year old volunteers in a middle school gym on
election day, it will work perfectly. Anybody who tells you
different just loves illegals, and hates freedom.
Bro, you can just leave the email field blank. Add years to your life.
It would be poetic justice if the lonewacko/Vdare types ran afoul of this, but they're probably all unemployed anyway.
@ Warty (look who's making fun of names!): thou art curds above all cattle
FSM,
Since you're here, I have a theological question:
Macaroni art. Offensive or Holy?
E-Verify will finally start the attrition
and return of 20+ million Illegal Aliens who have been gaming and
abusing our Immigration Laws and the 14th Amendment in
collaboration with criminal employers and Mexico's Agenda to create
an Illegal Mexican Nation within the borders of the USA!
So this is gonna be at least twice as likely to come up with a
false positive as it is an actual illegal.
OK, so there are an estimated 10-15 million people in the US
workforce who are non-legal. A larger-than-normal percentage are in
migrant, informal, or temporary employment circumstances and
unlikely to work for a government contractor.
So there are 17.8 million fubarred SSN entries for legal workers,
presumably distributed evenly throughout the workforce. This is
compared to 10-15 million, a fraction of which are likely to be
working in full-time positions for government contractors. Yup, no
way this could turn out to be a massive and counterproductive
clusterfuck.
Macaroni art should always exalt pirates. Or tell of how I made all of creation, including the mountains and trees and midgets.
An ID requirement like this, based on the government's
records, is going to be a disaster and deprive innocent,
law-abiding people of their rights.
But only when applied to verifying people for employment. When
applied by 80 year old volunteers in a middle school gym on
election day, it will work perfectly.
Talk about apples and oranges.
Poll workers wouldn't be checking a federal database for real-time
verification, but are asking for a "hard" ID issued by the
state.
Nice try, OibL, but the spaces between words give you away. Nice use of caps, though.
It's truly heartwarming to see tranzis pretend to care about we
U.S. citizens, but let me suggest actually caring rather than just
lamely pretending.
In fact, the entire Orange Line could put their minds together and
try to come up with a system where U.S. citizens could quickly and
easily deal with discrepancies.
So, since I'm sure libertarians aren't simply supporters of illegal
activity who, like the ACLU and the U.S.
Chamber of Commerce, are trying to prevent enforcement of our
laws, show us the plan.
No, really: come up with a plan. Either that, or admit what your
real objection is.
When The Law is anti-freedom, I see nothing wrong with blocking its enforcement. See: The Drug War.
Thats what provisional ballots are for.
Because provisional ballots are always counted.
I guess it depends on what problem you are trying to solve.
Just like a citizen told to fill out a provisional ballot and
then prove he's a citizen, a worker whose social security number
doesn't check out because of a mistake by the govenrment can assume
the burden of proof to correct that error, too, robc.
Problem solved, I guess.
joe,
I suppose that a lot of voters will be disenfranchised if their
names have to be checked against the Social Security database. Are
you aware of any proposals to do this?
What other things about Social Security are untrustworthy, or is it
"only" the database?
So, since I'm sure libertarians aren't simply supporters of
illegal activity...
Ah, but many of us are, when the laws are stupid or unjust.
Legality is not an ethical standard.
In fact, the entire Orange Line could put their minds together and try to come up with a system where U.S. citizens could quickly and easily deal with discrepancies.
No, you couldn't. If Federal Air Marshals can't get themselves off
the Do-Not-Fly list, despite the legal backing of the head of
Homeland Security and the head of the TSA, you aren't going to get
yourself on the U.S. citizens list.
1 in 25 Americans will be ineligible for employment. The good news
for you is that it will most likely be women who have a name
change, and you probably want them barefoot and pregnant
anyway.
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