Michael C. Moynihan | May 22, 2008
The May/June issue of Foreign Policy lists its picks for the world's top 100 public intellectuals. It's a pretty predictable group—Noam Chomsky, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Thomas Friedman, Alain Finkielkraut, Orhan Pamuk, etc. The list includes, FP says, the "world's most introspective philosophers and rabble-rousing clerics. A few write searing works of fiction and uncover the mysteries of the human mind. Others are at the forefront of modern finance, politics, and human rights." It was rather surprising, then, to see that the rabble-rousing cleric referenced is the extremist Egyptian preacher and Al-Jazeera host Yusuf al-Qaradawi. Now I understand that by including al-Qaradawi on its list Foreign Policy isn't endorsing the preacher's views anymore than Time Magazine's Man of the Year gongs qualify as endorsements of Stalinism, Nazism, or, more recently, Putinism. It is, of course, merely an acknowledgement of his considerable influence in the Middle East. And while al-Qaradawi is undeniably an influental public figure, is he in any sense an "intellectual"? Because if he qualifies, I'm afraid that the folks at FP will have to start considering people like John Hagee (or the late, unlamented Jerry Falwell) on future lists.
FP describes al-Qaradawi accurately as "Perhaps the
most influential preacher in Sunni Islam [and the host of] the
weekly show Sharia and Life on the Al Jazeera satellite
channel," but should perhaps mention that, in his capacity as
"influential preacher," he advises the death penalty for gays and
apostates and recommends that husbands beat disobedient wives. On
suicide bombings, the Sheik is unequivocal: "It's not suicide, it
is martyrdom in the name of God," and "I consider this type of
martyrdom operation [suicide bombing] as an evidence of God's
justice." On Muslims that have committed the sin of apostasy: "'He
is no more than a traitor to his religion and his people and thus
deserves killing." On wife beating: "If the husband senses that
feelings of disobedience and rebelliousness are rising against him
in his wife, he should try his best to rectify her attitude by kind
words, gentle persuasion, and reasoning with her... If this
approach fails, it is permissible for him to admonish her lightly
with his hands, avoiding her face and other sensitive areas.'" In
other words, try to punch her in the stomach, where the brusies
won't show. After rumors surfaced that the Crown Prince of Qatar
was spotted in a London gay bar, al-Qaradawi recommended that he be executed by stoning,
"whether he is married or unmarried." Lionel Trilling, this guy is
not.
Incidentally, all of this was known to former London Mayor Ken
Livingstone, who famously invited al-Qaradawi to London, claiming
that the he was "a powerfully progressive force for change" in the
Middle East. But in February, the British government refused to
grant al-Qaradawi a visa, stating that "The UK will not tolerate
the presence of those who seek to justify any act of terrorist
violence."
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Just checked the definition of "intellectual" in the
dictionary.
It does not, in fact, contain the words "opposite of a bad
guy."
Foreign Policy is just trying to attract attention with
this, nothing more.
Wouldn't tolerating the presence of someone justifying terrorist
violence be a pretty convincing sign of strength? I mean, no one
would seriously argue that letting Ahminejad visit Ground Zero
would be a sign of weakness, would they? Oh, wait.
All 'dis time, I been an intellectual?
A pointy-headed, effete, latte-sippin' member of the
cognoscenti?
I'm gonna heave a brick at my head.
Doesn't the term "intellectual" also imply that said person is bringing something new to the table? The oppressive sharia law is old, and I don't think this guy is an original intellectual just because he's beaming it into satellite dishes.
If he is smart enough he is one. Here is what the Oxford
Dictionary says:
intellectual
/intlektyool/
• adjective 1 relating or appealing to the intellect. 2 having a
highly developed intellect.
• noun a person with a highly developed intellect.
- DERIVATIVES intellectuality noun intellectually adverb.
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/intellectual?view=uk
The heck with Falwell and Hagee. They are both minor
league.
Pat Robertson
Billy Graham
To be honest, I don't have the experience, or temperment, to
declare somebody's musing about superstition as intellectual or
claptrap nonsense. What would the criteria be?
Continuing in the honesty vein, I'll break out the good stuff when
Yusuf al-Qaradawi departs this plane of existence. That ignorant
intolerant and evil bastard can kiss my royal atheist ass.
It does not, in fact, contain the words "opposite of a bad
guy."
Tom Metzger is one smart dude, too.
"If the husband senses that feelings of disobedience and rebelliousness are rising against him in his wife, he should try his best to rectify her attitude by kind words, gentle persuasion, and reasoning with her... If this approach fails, it is permissible for him to admonish her lightly with his hands, avoiding her face and other sensitive areas.'"
Is there any doubt that he wouldn't even crack a "Top 5-Billion
Intellectuals" list had these same comments been made about how to
treat someone of a different race, rather than sex, and if he
openly viewed another race as a lower class of humanity? It's
disgusting that these misogynists are afforded any more respect
than racists.
So does "intellectual" merely mean "influential" or
"powerful"?
What does, in fact, joe's made-up fucking phony dictionary say?
Chris Potter,
Falwell was an intellectual. I don't know about Hagee. Hagee isn't
terribly influential, though.
It isn't a list of the best, smartest intellectuals, but the most
important.
Doesn't the term "intellectual" also imply that said person is
bringing something new to the table? Thomas Aquinas defended
the faith, too.
Tom Metzger is one smart dude, too. I've never seen any
evidence of that. There certainly were intellectuals among the
Nazis, though.
Pre-butted, van Laue,
ha ha.
How 'bout more ideas, and less bile?
Oops, a good writer knows his audience.
We can agree that there were Nazi intellectuals, communist
intellectuals and, heck, even bull-dyke intellectuals.
You can hate niggers and invent stuff.
Intellectualism ain't influence, though. So I don't think this
"holy" sack of putrid shit qualifies.
Wouldn't tolerating the presence of someone justifying
terrorist violence be a pretty convincing sign of
strength?
Terrorism is the intentional violent victimization of innocent
civilians. Our own government supports governments that do just
that. And not just the big perpetrators like the Israeli and
Egyptian governments, but also in Uzbekistan where our government
is using our tax dollars to support the savage, soviet style
dictatorship of Islam Karimov, the former head of the Uzbek
Communist party. As the carnage that his regime inflicts on its own
people mounts, so surely does the resentment that Uzbekis harbor
toward Americans. The seeds of another terror attack against us are
being planted by our government's support of regimes that commit
terrorism.
Yahoo Answerer,
I think this is the relevant sense of the word:
a person who places a high value on or pursues things of
interest to the intellect or the more complex forms and fields of
knowledge, as aesthetic or philosophical matters, esp. on an
abstract and general level.
Somebody whose efforts revolve around the study of a field like
Koranic Law, or Rabbinical Law for that matter, would be an
intellectual, regardless of our feelings about his particular take
on the subject, or even of the subject in its entirety.
Once again, judgments about good and bad don't enter into the
equation.
Just checked the definition of "intellectual" in the
dictionary.
It does not, in fact, contain the words "opposite of a bad
guy."
Exactly. As joe proves around here almost every time he sneers at
one of MCM's posts, it is entirely possible to be both a very smart
person and a total prick at the same time.
How 'bout more ideas, and less bile?
That's pretty rich, coming from you.
In other words, try to punch her in the stomach, where the
bruises won't show.
Note to self: Bruises don't show on stomach...
Of course "intellectual" doesn't mean "opposite of a bad guy." He already said that Noam Chomsky is on the list!
So someone who knows an awful lot about the Harry Potter books
and can relate all kinds of things through a Hogwarts-inspired lens
can be counted as an intellectual?
Fine. I have no problem with that. But just like the Cum Laude on
my Bachelor's Degree it has just lost any real meaning.
In other words, try to punch her in the stomach, where the
bruises won't show.
You're an ameteur, Moynihan. Do as the cops do: a phone book
distributes blows so that they don't bruise but they do hurt.
He already said that Noam Chomsky is on the list!
I know what list I would like Chomsky to be on. And it ain't
Schindler's.
So someone who knows an awful lot about the Harry Potter
books and can relate all kinds of things through a
Hogwarts-inspired lens can be counted as an
intellectual?
Have you ever gone to Star Wars fan sites, and seen the complexity
of the universes they've created?
Jim Bob | May 22, 2008, 3:44pm | #
What about a bar of soap?
On behalf of the rest of humanity, YES!
Go with that.
Actually, joe:
pre- means before. I don't know when you started typing. But I
stopped typing before you did. So, fail #1.
Also, it was a real question. Does intellectual have any real
meaning outside of "powerful" or "influential"? Fail #2: You didn't
-but anything.
Now, I'm willing to be persuaded that "intellectual" is completely
decoupled from the word "intelligence". But it looks like,
persuasively or not, that MM was making the case that al-Qaradawi
is just a retrograde retard. If having the title of "Koranic
scholar" confers intellectualism on someone, fine, go with that.
Here's your chance to -but something, and you know, contribute
ideas.
Good writers don't usually comment on blogs all day, imagining that
they win threads and get the most laughs. It's a shame that on the
internet you won't face the embarrassed silence that a stupid
braggart is normally confronted with.
Doesn't the term "intellectual" also imply that said person
is bringing something new to the table? Thomas Aquinas defended the
faith, too.
Thomas Aquinas put forth new, rational arguments, albeit based on
his faith. I would think that to be an intellectual, one must
primarily be offering rational argumentation. Simply repeating
dogmas is not an intellectual exercise, and it looks like that's
the extent of this guy's arguments.
Colin,
I'd say you're right, in the sense that the guy has cultural
authority (whatever that means, and however that was conferred) and
speaks publically about cultural issues, however repulsive it all
is. I'm not sure yet if he falls into the first two classes -- is
he part of the occupational class of intellectuals? I'm
not sure, since I haven't seen his Mullah diploma yet. He might
be!
Again, this intellectual class is pretty goddamned expansive, and
could well include anyone who gets quoted in a newspaper or got a
master's degree.
Chris Potter,
You know Aquinas argued that heretics deserve the death
penalty.
To change the subject, if Malcolm Gladwell is an intellectual, then the retarded boy down the street is doing advanced calculus in between masturbation sessions.
Is there any doubt that he wouldn't even crack a "Top 5-Billion Intellectuals" list had these same comments been made about how to treat someone of a different race, rather than sex, and if he openly viewed another race as a lower class of humanity?
Muslims frequently (I would go so far as to say "most") view blacks
as a lower class of humanity, including black Muslims.
Brian Courts,
There are a number of writers from the 18th and 19th centuries who
were racists (e.g., Edward Long, Arthur Gobineau) who I consider
both proponents of folly as well as intellectuals. Admittedly I
know a lot more about them than I do this guy.
Marcvs - that reminded me of the Black Sabbath song "After Forever" - Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope - do you think he's a fool?"
Hey! I wasn't implying that having a deep knowledge of the Harry Potterverse wasn't an intellectual exercise, I was equating the Koran (or the Bible, the Simarilion, whatever magic book) with the Chamber of Secrets!
Baked Penguin -
Glad you're here. Your namesakes from Pittsburgh are about to get
their clocks cleaned by the Red Wings.
;-)
So what about Bobby Henderson? Is he not an intelectual?
If you don't know who he is check out this site:
http://www.venganza.org/about
That's the way to bet, J sub. But it was also the way to bet in 2003, IIRC.
I should also point out that under the "a person who places a high value on or pursues things of interest to the intellect or the more complex forms and fields of knowledge, as aesthetic or philosophical matters, esp. on an abstract and general level" definition of intellectual, Dondero is arguably an intellectual.
Wouldn't tolerating the presence of someone justifying
terrorist violence be a pretty convincing sign of
strength?
Or a pretty convincing sign of weakness.
The inability to evict terrorists is generally touted as a sign of
weakness, after all, in Iraq and Lebanon.
it is entirely possible to be both a very smart person and a
total prick at the same time.
Hey, I resemble that remark!
If they are including fiction writers in this list perhaps he could be qualified as a very ironic writer of fiction. His main character is an invisible and cruel despot.
Friedman, possibly the dumbest fucker in Christendom, at least
wrote a spectacularly shitty book or two. In fact, all of the
objectionable dipshits on this list grabbed a crayon and made some
marks. Perhaps al-Qaradawi is an intellectual, and Moynihan is
unfairly focusing on the stomach-punching pronouncements while
ignoring the book-writing or thought-making.
Anyone want to make that argument? I'm seriously listening.
You know Aquinas argued that heretics deserve the death
penalty.
Yeah, just being an intellectual doesn't mean you're right about
everything. He also put forth a very intricate argument that said
that the fetus (or whatever word was then used for a fetus) did not
have a soul until 40 days after the intercourse that produced it,
and thus abortions before that time were not sinful. Of course, the
Church repudiated that reasoning in the 1700s when it became clear
that the process of conception was very different from what Aquinas
had thought it was. Of course, in Roe V. Wade, the SCOTUS still
made reference to Aquinas' opinions as evidence that the Catholic
Church really didn't think life began at conception.
In short, an intellectual arguing from false principles is going to
be wrong. But if all you have is principles, with no argument, then
you aren't an intellectual, whether you're right or not.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence commeth evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him god?"
Chris Potter,
Well, following for the sake of argument your reasoning, so far,
and I won't defend his remarks, we haven't seen any of this guy's
reasoning, just a few quotations. So we don't know either way if we
use your criteria.
Bonus point: Aquinas also very stupidly fell in line with the usury
was immoral because it violated natural law. Of course, he was in
good company with Aristotle, etc. Thus illustrating once again how
easy it is to make just about any human activity a violation of
natural law.
The inability to evict terrorists is generally touted as a
sign of weakness, after all, in Iraq and Lebanon.
The difference is that we have reason to evict the terrorists in
Iraq and Lebanon -- they're doing actual harm to actual people. If
we're not able to prevent that, that's a problem (though given the
situation, preventing it might require us to adopt distinctly
un-American tactics).
I don't see how letting a terrorist-supporting nutcase, whose
location and identity are known at all times, stand by the WTC site
and make an ass of himself, is going to cause any harm to anyone
(except himself, possibly). Now, if he starts planting IEDs in the
Lincoln Tunnel and we don't stop him, that would be a problem.
Epicurus,
I thought that was David Hume.
Colin,
Some modern theologians try to extricate Aquinas and the
contemporary Popes from that error by saying that money then was
not the same thing as money now, because the rate of economic
growth was so slow that you wouldn't lose any opportunity by
lending someone money without interest. Whereas now you could
invest it in stocks or a home or something that quickly appreciates
in value.
Personally, I think it's simpler to say that Aquinas et al were
just making invalid arguments. Of course, one of the Popes during
Aquinas' time issued an edict that any theologian who said charging
interest wasn't sinful should be bound in chains and made to do
perpetual penance in a monastery for the rest of his life, so there
was an incentive for falling in line.
Nope, it was me.
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/is-god-willing-to-prevent-evil-but-not-able-then/411189.html
It was rather surprising, then, to see that the
rabble-rousing cleric referenced is the extremist Egyptian preacher
and Al-Jazeera host Yusuf al-Qaradawi.
Not really. Anti-Western religious nuts are often embraced by the
Western intellectual elite. In 1979, Carter's people were saying
Khomeini would be remembered as a saint.
To their credit, FP did include the man whose thoughts and writing
are most directly making tens of millions of lives better in the
Mideast: David Petraeus.
"Anti-Western religious nuts are often embraced by the Western
intellectual elite. In 1979, Carter's people were saying Khomeini
would be remembered as a saint."
OK, maybe someone has mentioned this before, but the FP list was of
the most INFLUENTIAL intellectuals. So someone who writes and
speaks on ideas, and has an influence, would be on the list.
Qaradawi is an evil bastard, but he certainly has had an influence
on the world (who wants to deny this)? Recognizing that he is one
of many people who write about ideas that has an influence on world
affairs and stuff is not really very far out. And it certainly
doesn't mean anyone at FP is "embracing" the guy. Jesus.
"it is entirely possible to be both a very smart person and a total
prick at the same time.
Hey, I resemble that remark!"
RC, you're half correct (which is more than usual :)).
I thought that was David Hume.
As has been observed, that was Epicurus, the Greek philosopher.
David Hume posited many skeptical arguments though, perhaps that
one as well.
Epicurus, your little catechism misses the fundamental tenet of
Christianity: God does not prevent man from doing evil because God
gave man free will.
God, in other words, is a libertarian, holding to the tenet that
you are not free unless you are free to be wrong.
R.C. Dean,
Why would a God allow for such a property in human beings if it
leads to evil? Is this God some sort of utilitarian? Is Christ a
utilitarian in other words?
What about natural disasters? Say for the time being we accept that
free will has some utility that justifies the evil that comes along
with it. What justifies tsunamies that kill hundreds of thousands
of people?
As always the
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy has an excellent discussion of
this issue. It specifically the Free Will issue as it relates
to the problem of evil.
Colin,
Love can only exist if it is chosen freely, which requires leaving
open the possibility of choosing not to love. Basically, if God
wanted humans to be capable of love, they also had to be capable of
its antithesis.
What about natural disasters? Say for the time being we
accept that free will has some utility that justifies the evil that
comes along with it. What justifies tsunamies that kill hundreds of
thousands of people?
The relatively simple laws of nature that make our existence
possible have these unfortunate consequences as well. During the
Scientific Revolution the Catholic "natural philosopher" Gottfried
Leibniz imagined that no world governed by consistent natural laws
could be completely perfect, and that God chose the best possible
world that fit that criterion.
Colin,
That's all fine and good but it really doesn't answer my question
and I'm not quite sure why the quality of love is vastly more
important than the existance of evil. At the very least this means
that said deity is perferring the former over the latter and that
of course leads us directly back to merely looking at the problem
of evil from other direction - a capable deity who merely accepts
evil.
I would say that (and I'm not the first to point this out) a far
more logical way of looking at this would be to follow the
prescription of the Gnostics - namely to believe that two Gods
exist, one evil and the other good.
Chris Potter,
Well, if Leibniz's reasoning is correct, then why would a God
create such a world in the first place if said God knew that a
world of consistent physical laws would create such suffering? That
really does not get one beyond the problem of evil. It merely
shifts one from the "incompetent" prong that Epicurus mentions to
the the "malevolent" prong.
Colin,
You're assuming that non-existence is superior to suffering.
Hypothetically speaking, must a benevolent God refrain from
creating the world just because it would require one of his
creatures enduring a headache one day?
I would say that (and I'm not the first to point this out) a
far more logical way of looking at this would be to follow the
prescription of the Gnostics - namely to believe that two Gods
exist, one evil and the other good.
Well, that would bring up its own flurry of questions. To me, the
most rationally defensible belief is agnosticism, or if you insist
on the existence of God, raw deism, simply because these beliefs
bring up fewer difficult questions.
Chris Potter,
Well, non-existance is superior to suffering from the Buddhist
perspective (this a gross over-simplification of the matter
obviously). Indeed, if I may be allowed to indulge in even even
more gross oversimplification, all of existance is suffering from
the Buddhist perspective (because we are caught on the wheel of
life, etc.).
Chris Potter,
Well, that would bring up its own flurry of
questions.
Due to my limited amount of grey matter I try to tackle one several
thousand year old question at a time.
RC:
God, in other words, is a libertarian, holding to the tenet
that you are not free unless you are free to be wrong.
Two interesting points about that: The word "libertarian" has the
meaning in philosophy of one who believes in free will.
And what's more interesting, is that for free will of an individual
to exist, God's omniscience must not include absolute knowledge of
the future action of that individual cuz if it did, it would mean
that free will is just an illusion since a future that is known is
devoid of real choice as things can't happened any other way.
Remember, the limitation on God for free will to exist is on
absolute knowledge of the future actions.
After rumors surfaced that the Crown Prince of Qatar was
spotted in a London gay bar, al-Qaradawi recommended that he be
executed by stoning, "whether he is married or unmarried." Lionel
Trilling, this guy is not.
Michael, this whole story is suspicious and probably false.
Al-Qaradawi IS a host on an al-Jazeera show but is unlikely to have
said this. As an Egyptian exile granted amnesty in Qatar he would
not be making a comment like this about someone from the Qatari
royal family.
Check the comments at the bottom of the link you provided at
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/08/320466.html - they suggest
the story is a result of false report being repeatedly misreported.
In the first instance, the crappy aljazeera.com (some magazine not
related to the TV station) falsely attributed the comments to
al-Qaradawi. Let's not continue to repeat the mistake here on
Reason.
"A few write searing works of fiction..."
This must be a reference to Noam "millions of casualties in
Afghanistan" Chomsky. That anyone even considers that buffoon an
intellectual shows how far the level of public discourse has sunk
in the world.
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