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You Can't Spell "Revolt" Without "EVO backwards L"
Today's "Ron Paul supporters rubbing listless regular Republicans' faces in the dirt" story comes from Nevada.
They seemed to make up more than half of the 1,300 or so state delegates to the convention. They won a key procedural vote on the rules, and their boisterous presence created significant delays, causing the convention chairman, Bob Beers, a state senator from Las Vegas, to recess the convention without selecting delegates to the national convention. The state convention is to resume at a later date.
This isn't as simple a story as the Missouri Paulite rEVOLution, as Paul's Nevada campaign was one of his best, and he actually beat John McCain for second place in the January caucus. (Mitt Romney won overall.) There are from-the-scene reports on the Ron Paul forums.
At the beginning of the Convention the State GOP/McCain campaign tried to limit who could be considered delegates. This prompted a floor fight that went on for hours. The record crowd wondered why they were there if the people to be voted on were already predetermined.
Already the 3 congressional districts have gone (3 delegates for each Congressional District) One district has awarded all 3 to Ron Paul, the second district went, One for Ron Paul, One for John McCain and One for NV. US Senator John Ensign and the third congressional district is unknown since the convention authorities won't tell.
The Reno Gazette-Journal chalks it up to a wheezing, out-of-shape party.
Gov. Jim Gibbons has been beleaguered by a host of missteps since his election in 2006. And neither U.S. Rep. Jon Porter of Henderson, whose daughter was getting married, or U.S. Sen. John Ensign showed up to the convention.
"There's no elected official that really unites the party," Herzik said. "The Republicans in this state are just not hitting on all cylinders."
Speaking of poor organization, the actual, national RP campaign (which told journalists that their Nevada organizer was available for interviews, but did not actually have his phone number) is debating what to do with its remaining $4 million. The most popular (if not most legal) idea: A publishing house.
|4.28.08 @ 2:59PM|#
its remaining $4 million.
Those clowns remind me of the old joke about the dog who catches
the car; they caught the car, but have no idea what to do with
it.
|4.28.08 @ 3:04PM|#
So, just what legal restrictions are there on what RP does with his campaign surplus?
New World Dan|4.28.08 @ 3:04PM|#
It still cracks me up to see how winning a straw poll creates the assumption that you've actually won something. I guarantee when the MN state convention takes place next month, it'll be packed with Paul supporters. I was at the district caucus and about half of our 16 delegates to the state convention were Paul supporters. Luckily, I ended up at the bottom of the list of alternates and have a good excuse for skipping out. :)
wmb|4.28.08 @ 3:30PM|#
In my various posts here I argued that Paul was fund raising for something other than a presidential campaign. He simply wasn't spending as if he was seriously running for the presidency. I said Paul's original intention was to raise funds for his Congerssional race and then divert all remaining funds to projects that he'd run after his last term in office. I always believed Paul was engaging in old fashioned bait and switch: donate to my presidential campaign so I can spend your money in other ways later. The Rondroids were a bunch of true believers and no one wanted to believe me at the time. I wonder if they are now starting to see what was obvious all along.
Orange Line Special|4.28.08 @ 3:33PM|#
The funniest part about this is that the vast majority of RP's
supporters basically fit the young, stupid, and/or nerd profile and
have no clue about how things work.
If any RP supporters get a clue, they'll go negative and start
trying to discredit RP's opponents. None of the ardent RP
supporters have been able to figure that out.
And, rather than going to Hillary's appearances and launching into
a ten minute screed about BrettonWoods and how the FedCommissioners
are actually LizardPeople, just point out flaws in her
ImmigrationStance and then upload it to video sharing sites.
Note: these idiots are willing to
do something, but what they do is counter-productive to their
cause, but perhaps that's the crypto goal.
So, to recap:
1. Get some real questions from one of my sites.
2. Ask them during a designated Q&A session.
3. Upload and promote the response.
Is that really so difficult? Apparently it is for RP fans.
|4.28.08 @ 3:46PM|#
Hmm, I'd say it's the rotting corpse of a monomania that's been bludgeoned to death by some kind of large, odorous, and generally repulsive mythological being with an affinity for the undersides of bridges.
Elemenope|4.28.08 @ 3:46PM|#
1. Get some real questions from one of my sites.
We all bow to you, font of infinite political wisdom.
YOU HAVE ALL HEARD THE DECREE:
If the question isn't from the almighty ORANGE LINE SPECIAL, it
isn't real, but shall being counterfeit and lukewarm be cast into
the outer darkness!
|4.28.08 @ 4:00PM|#
A publishing house could have shares owned by several good not-for-profit or political organizations.
Lunático Solamente|4.28.08 @ 4:01PM|#
IllegalImmigrants are invading our beloved Mexico, but Calderon refuses to do anything because he is in the pay of the GuatemalanGovernment!
|4.28.08 @ 4:06PM|#
They could use the 4 million to start a magazine that covers current events using libertarian analysis and opinion. Their tagline could be: for free minds and free markets - and this time we mean it.
dhex|4.28.08 @ 4:07PM|#
"dear hillary - this dude from the internet who is afraid of mexicans told me to ask you why you're uh...i'm sorry, i just can't do this."
LíneaAnaranjadaEspecial|4.28.08 @ 4:11PM|#
La parte más divertida sobre esto es que la mayoría extensa de
los partidarios del RP cupo básicamente el perfil joven, estúpido,
y/o del nerd y no tiene ninguna pista sobre cómo las cosas
trabajan.
Si algunos partidarios del RP consiguen una pista, irán negativa y
comenzarán a intentar desacreditar a los opositores del RP.
Ningunos de los partidarios ardientes del RP han podido calcular
eso hacia fuera.
Y, más bien que el ir a los aspectos de Hillary y el lanzar en diez
minuciosos screed sobre BrettonWoods y cómo el ComisionesDelFed es
realmente GenteDelLagarto, apenas precisan defectos en su
PosturaDeLaInmigración y después upload los al vídeo que compartía
sitios.
Nota: estos idiotas están dispuestos a hacer algo, pero qué él lo
hace es contraproducente a su causa, pero quizás a que es la meta
crypto. Así pues, a la recapitulación:
1. Consiga algunas preguntas verdaderas a partir del uno de mis
sitios.
2. Pídalos durante una sesión señalada del Q&A.
3. Upload y promueva la respuesta.
¿Es eso realmente tan difícil? Está al parecer para los
ventiladores del RP.
Nash|4.28.08 @ 4:27PM|#
wmb | April 28, 2008, 3:30pm | #
"...I argued that Paul was fund raising for something other than a
presidential campaign. He simply wasn't spending as if he was
seriously running for the presidency. I said Paul's original
intention was to raise funds for his Congerssional race and then
divert all remaining funds to projects that he'd run after his last
term in office. I always believed Paul was engaging in old
fashioned bait and switch....."
He raised over 30 Million dollars and spent all but 4 of it. He got
clobbered on Super Tuesday and that was the end of his campaign.
He's stretched the remaining dollars out over the last 2+
months.
He didn't use that money for his congressional race. That was a
separate fund.
He's making the most out of what he has left and the money I gave
him was money well spent. Now the country is only 95%
socialist/imperialist instead of 99%. If all it did was raise his
profile enough to publish another book and talk about liberty on
talk shows then so be it. He's done more than any previous
candidate with Libertarian views.
Stop being a hater. I'm sorry the first libertarian to get decent
mainstream press is a pro-life federalist. Maybe we can run another
one in 4 years that is a pro-choice pot activist so you defeatists
will be happy.
|4.28.08 @ 4:27PM|#
The above's too f-ing much, lol, "LineaAnaranjadaEspecial",
specifically the fact that you don't have a Spanish term for
"Upload".
Anyway, I love how the pundits like to tie the remaining war chest
to the plan to establish the publishing company. Don't they know of
the revenue he's starting to collect from the book sales?
Orange Line Special|4.28.08 @ 4:27PM|#
Very good, and obviously not mechanical.
Anywhoo, here's another idea: RP supporter should see a lawyer. No,
not for that!
I mean they should consult with lawyers and others who know how to
ask real questions. Then, choose topics people are interested in
(tip: immigration, not LizardPeople) and ask those questions.
The fact that RP supporters not only can't figure that out but
actually oppose doing that shows just how far gone they are.
|4.28.08 @ 4:31PM|#
Godammit, I can't believe I missed the party. I need to get on someone's mailing list or something.
jj|4.28.08 @ 4:44PM|#
Someone stupid wrote: "t still cracks me up to see how winning a
straw poll creates the assumption that you've actually won
something. "
It still cracks me up to see how winning a "majority" in an
election creates the assumption that you've actuall won something
that allows you to dictate to anyone else.
Good for the clowns and rabble-rousers who are showing up the
Emperor's dirty underside.
Elemenope|4.28.08 @ 4:44PM|#
*I'm* interested in hearing about Lizard-People. And *I'm* a person, thank you very much.
|4.28.08 @ 4:44PM|#
I live in Reno, and am here now. Most of the time I am out of the country, but I was here, and I missed the party.
LíneaAnaranjadaEspecial|4.28.08 @ 4:53PM|#
Muy bueno, y obviamente no mecánico.
Anywhoo, aquí es otra idea: El partidario del RP debe ver a un
abogado. ¡No, no para eso!
Significo que deben consultar con los abogados y otros que saben
hacer preguntas verdaderas. Entonces, elija los asuntos que la
gente está interesada adentro (extremidad: la inmigración, no
GenteDelLagarto) y hace esas preguntas.
El hecho de que los partidarios del RP no pueden calcular no
solamente eso fuera de pero oponer realmente hacer ese las
demostraciones apenas cómo están idos lejos son
Orange Line Special|4.28.08 @ 5:00PM|#
Oops, it's mechanical: "extremidad"?
Anywho, that's cute and all, but I'm wondering why RP supporters
would try to avoid people asking real questions. Is it that they
aren't really RP supporters at all, or that they're complete
idiots?
|4.28.08 @ 5:24PM|#
the convention chairman, Bob Beers, a state senator from Las
Vegas
You've just gotta think it would be pretty easy to take a state
sentator from Las Vegas outside his parliamentary comfort zone.
|4.28.08 @ 6:37PM|#
The MSM stories are making it sound like the Paul supporters
created such havoc that the convention's lease on the ballroom
expired and they had to leave.
As this
series of videos attests, that's not the case.
1. The party apparatchiks tried to push through a rule change to
delegate selection of a delegate slate to a small committee of
apparatchiks. This rule change failed due to the large number of
Paul supporters.
2. A vote for a slate was held, and while it was being counted, it
became apparent that Paul was going to win several of the
delegates.
3. State Sen. Beers, the chairman, called a recess because the time
they had reserved the ballroom for had expired. Counting of the
ballots stopped -- it is not known whether they were thrown out or
sealed for later inspection.
4. The hotel told the convention they could take as long as they
needed to, so the McCain people all hung out in the back of the
ballroom and refused to be counted in the head count. Thus, there
wasn't a quorum to do business, so the recess could not be
ended.
5. The GOP said they would call a new convention sometime soon to
actually have a vote. Any bets on "sometime soon" being on a
weekday in a hard-to-reach location?
|4.28.08 @ 6:41PM|#
Oh, and after this chicanery, my next fundraising letter from the GOP is getting shredded and sent back in the "postage paid by addressee" business reply envelope, along with a printout of this news story and the heaviest paper garbage I can find that will fit in the envelope, to maximize the amount they have to pay.
Geotpf|4.28.08 @ 7:08PM|#
I'm not sure who looks more incompetent here, the Nevada State Republican Party or the Ron Paul campaign.
|4.28.08 @ 7:53PM|#
There is LOVE in my rEVOLt and there is LOVE in my rEVOLution.
Ron Paul people have been going to Republican precincts all across
this Nation to volunteer, they now hold seats in those Rep.
committees. Little by little they have won over delegates and
voters. RON PAUL is my write in Candidate. What no one will
understand is that Ron Paul won already. He got regular Americans
to once again vote, to care about this process. He no longer has to
be the only one that says NO.
fknJonas
Sean Scallon|4.28.08 @ 8:04PM|#
For Minnesota supporters of Ron Paul, can you do me one favor at your state convention in Rochester, can you deny the endorsement of "Neocon Norm" Coleman in the U.S Senate race? Now that will cause some shockwaves.
|4.28.08 @ 10:02PM|#
The McCain leadership of the Republican Party refused to allow its own elected county delegates to vote when it seemed they were going to vote the wrong way. The McCain supporters ran away, hid, turned the lights out on everyone else, and them fabricated a story about the facility owners wanting everyone out. Extrapolate and imagine what a McCain administration would do to this country.
|4.28.08 @ 10:14PM|#
What I don't get about this is, why are the McCain people even
bothering with this? Worst case scenario for them is, that they let
the vote go as it went, and send 7 Ron Paul delegates to the
national convention, where McCain would still win by a gigantic
majority.
For all their talk about unifying the party, they sure don't seem
to be able to make any concessions of their own, even when such
concessions wouldn't hurt McCain one bit.
|4.28.08 @ 10:23PM|#
Seems like the RP people are organized to me.
The grass roots are highly organized. The national campaign -- you
know, where the money went -- is/was run by idiots. If RP2008HQ
were in charge of this NV convention push, the delegates would have
wound up stranded somewhere in Oregon.
|4.28.08 @ 10:34PM|#
There's no doubt RP's national campaign office was incompetent. The guy in charge of his campaign apparently spent most of his time successfully getting in to Paul's granddaughter's pants. But I don't particularly like the unethical smear. The had 30 million total and spent 26 of it so far. That's not outrageous and Paul is a conservative guy. His best shot of winning was always McCain wrapping up the delegate lead and then dying. So its actually prudent for him to have this reserve fund for a full court media press in the event that happens.
|4.28.08 @ 10:45PM|#
The guy in charge of his campaign apparently spent most of
his time successfully getting in to Paul's granddaughter's
pants.
I was wondering about that little coincidence, but not knowing I
didn't want to be the one to bring it up...
Gah, look at the New Hampshire primary. Look at the difference in
effectiveness of Operation Live Free or Die, made up entirely of
amateurs paying all their own costs, vs. the "professionals" in the
Paul 2008 campaign running idiotic abortion* and immigration
ads.
* yes, I agree with Dr Paul on this issue, but it wasn't the right
issue to do ads about.
|4.29.08 @ 12:23AM|#
Reason is anti-freedom and anti-American.
Die slow.
Nuff said.
And to think that we are supposed to be on the same team...
Die slow, you will.
|4.29.08 @ 4:31AM|#
@Chris Potter
Oh, and after this chicanery, my next fundraising letter from
the GOP is getting shredded and sent back in the "postage paid by
addressee" business reply envelope, along with a printout of this
news story and the heaviest paper garbage I can find that will fit
in the envelope, to maximize the amount they have to
pay.
Forget the heavy paper garbage. Just tape the damn envelope to a
brick. I used to work at a magazine publisher, and my friends in
the mail room told me they got lots of bricks (and other things),
because people would glue the postage prepaid subscription cards to
them, and toss them in the mailbox.
Then again, we're talking about Republicans here. I wonder what the
post office would do if you glued the envelope to an elephant?
|4.29.08 @ 1:11PM|#
The dirty work at political conventions is almost always done in
the grim hours between midnight and dawn. Hangmen and politicians
work best when the human spirit is at its lowest ebb.
--Russell Baker
Poor Russell's Almanac (1972)
|4.29.08 @ 1:35PM|#
To Orange Line Special Ha ha ha ha - are you serious guy!!!! Ron Paul supporters are stupid! You can't be serious. Take a look at Barron's top paid hedge fund managers - they were all short housing and the Fed. Falcone made $1.7B last year. They agree with Ron Paul 100% on the significant issues facing our Country but they know we have a fat, dumb electorate that won't think for themselves until their big-mac cost $10 and they can't afford to pay the cable bill.
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