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Spitz Take No. 35: Semi-Tawdry Details, His Whoremonger Code Name, and How this All Got Found Out
We're
going to have a longer piece up about New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer
later in the morning, but here's a snippets from an AP story
about how the affair came to light.
The investigation into the Emperors Club VIP gathered more than 5,000 telephone calls and text messages, and more than 6,000 e-mails, along with bank records, travel and hotel records and surveillance....
Conversations were recorded about someone identified as "Client 9," including that a prostitute identified as "Kristen" should take a train from New York to Washington for a tryst on the night of Feb. 13, according to an affidavit.
A law enforcement source in Washington who spoke on condition of anonymity told The Associated Press that "Client 9" was Spitzer and that he met with "Kristen" in a Washington hotel room just two hours before Valentine's Day.
Wiretaps enabled government agents to listen as the woman later told a booking agent for the ring that she had secured $4,300 in cash from her client and that she liked him. Authorities also had statements from a confidential source and an undercover officer....
The public-corruption unit of the U.S. attorney's office got involved after the IRS looked into a complaint of a potential violation of the Bank Secrecy Act, the government's main tool against money laundering....
Investigators say the Emperors Club, which is based in Brooklyn, made more than $1 million for its operators by selling the services of women whose bodies were displayed, their faces concealed, on a Web site.
The prostitutes were advertised as costing from $1,000 to $5,500 an hour....
The business promised clients they could pay with a wire transfer that would show up on records as QAT Consulting to make it appear to be a business transaction.
"Client 9" insisted on paying in cash.
Whole story here. It's not the crime, it's the hypocrisy (though virtually no pol, even if he/she hadn't been so anti-prostitution as Spitzer, could bounce back from this story).
reason and others, including political operative Roger Stone (who has called the guy psychotic) on Spitzer's relationship with Sen. Hillary Clinton here.
reason on the Bank Secrecy Act--not a good law, whose roots are just as tawdry as this scandal!--here.
Background on Emperor of the North, the greatest train-hopping hobo movie ever made (and what a long list!), featuring Lee Marvin and Ernest Borgnine in a fight to the finish not to be missed! Will really take your mind off Client 9 counting dollar bills bedside in a D.C. hotel!
|3.11.08 @ 7:46AM|#
As long as that $4300 wasn't tax money, I really don't have any
issue with it. Prostitution should be legal, and this should be a
matter for Spitzer to work out with his wife.
As for the hypocrisy, that's a reason not to vote for him, not a
reason to prosecute.
-jcr
Jennifer|3.11.08 @ 7:58AM|#
As for the hypocrisy, that's a reason not to vote for him,
not a reason to prosecute.
But the fact that he prosecuted others for doing the exact same
thing is reason to prosecute him, stick him on the sex-offender
registry, and inflict upon him every other legal misery he
inflicted upon others.
I also like the suggestion of the commenter on the other thread to
go after him for RICO and other violations; he abused his authority
by harassing other prostitution rings while leaving his
alone.
Also, one of his front teeth should be blacked out in all his
official photos. Okay, that's just me being spiteful.
|3.11.08 @ 8:05AM|#
Nick, Nick, Nick. Must you find a way to squeeze an Ernie Borgnine reference into every single f*cking post? Grow up! Or at least devote ALL your time to watching reruns of McHale's Navy, instead of dragging the rest of us down to your level!
Client #10|3.11.08 @ 8:09AM|#
If you think the Bank Secrecy Law had tawdry beginnings, check
out the Mann Act under which celebrity johns get prosecuted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act
Jen|3.11.08 @ 8:12AM|#
Despite everyone's feeling on the subjuect, prostitution is
still illegal. Therefore, he should be charged. Pretty cut and
dried.
For those interested in more jucy details, HuffPo got a few
screenshots of the Emperors Club site before they took it down.
I don't see anything worth $30k, maybe some of the guys here can
help me out.
|3.11.08 @ 8:16AM|#
...selling the services of women whose bodies were
displayed, their faces concealed, on a Web site.
LINK please!
Nick you ought to know what's important! It's not the faces, don't
need to see them.
Jennifer|3.11.08 @ 8:21AM|#
The faces thing surprised me. Sincere question for the men in the room: if a woman's body is attractive enough, do you really not care what her face looks like? Conversely, if a woman has an extremely pretty face, is that sufficient for you to overlook an unattractive (by whatever your standards are) body?
Taktix®|3.11.08 @ 8:22AM|#
For those interested in more juicy details, HuffPo got a few
screenshots of the Emperors Club site before they took it
down.
So, you get to put your wiener in them?
|3.11.08 @ 8:27AM|#
Jennifer - sincere answer -
Yes, if a woman's body is attractive enough, face doesn't matter.
Don't get me wrong though, an attractive face is a really nice
bonus.
Perfect face and an unattractive body = plus size model.
|3.11.08 @ 8:28AM|#
Jennifer,
For an answer see the post above yours.
But seriously, it's the package that counts for me. If I were
striving for the perfect match, I'd still be ... that's my private
business what I'd be.
|3.11.08 @ 8:28AM|#
Of course every man likes a pretty face. I think covering up was just a confidentiality thing, not because we don't care.
tijjer|3.11.08 @ 8:29AM|#
Jen, the breakdown is probably about $2k for the girl and $28k for everyone to keep quiet about it afterwards.
Episiarch|3.11.08 @ 8:37AM|#
A horrible face and a great body = fail just like a great face
and horrible body = fail. At least that's my take. It's a package,
baby--not two separate things.
For the kind of dough he was laying down, she better have a great
face, body, and skillz.
My question is this: since a porn actress will do all sorts of
crazy stuff for amounts at (I believe) $700-1000 per shoot, are
they getting more than that (as in all the sex acts)? I doubt it;
I'm sure the secrecy and vetting of the girls is what costs.
|3.11.08 @ 8:38AM|#
On the larger issue, I would like to see Spitzer hit with every charge the prosecutor could dream up. I hate the "hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue" BS. Hypocrisy is the glue holding quasi-religious Puritanism stuck to criminal law.
:-+|3.11.08 @ 8:41AM|#
What does a great face matter if you are...shall I say...looking at the back of her head?
Episiarch|3.11.08 @ 8:41AM|#
As for the hypocrisy, that's a reason not to vote for him,
not a reason to prosecute.
No. As Jennifer said, he has ruined people for doing the same
thing. He has to pay, by his own "rules", for this. Of
course, he won't agree with that, which is why he should get fucked
as much as possible.
Other Matt|3.11.08 @ 8:45AM|#
But the fact that he prosecuted others for doing the exact
same thing is reason to prosecute him, stick him on the
sex-offender registry, and inflict upon him every other legal
misery he inflicted upon others.
Wholeheartedly agree with this, moralizing sermons he added put the
nails in his own coffin.
Yes, if a woman's body is attractive enough, face doesn't
matter. Don't get me wrong though, an attractive face is a really
nice bonus.
I disagree with this. There is a minimum acceptability factor, as
well as a hygiene factor. A big hairy mole on the tip of the nose
is just a turnoff for me, sorry.
Sincere question for the men in the room: if a woman's body is
attractive enough, do you really not care what her face looks
like?
Then again, if you're joe, and she's a minority.....
whiskey|3.11.08 @ 8:49AM|#
There's like so many layers of reasons why Spitzer should be
nailed to the wall:
1) getting busted for soliciting a prostitution ring after crowing
about prosecuting prostitution rings
2) getting busted for structuring after making a career going after
white collar crime
Rhywun|3.11.08 @ 8:52AM|#
I don't think he'll get in much legal trouble, being the john; but at least his career is over, and not a moment too soon. That's good enough for me. Plus, all his previous shenanigans will be scrutinized, and with any luck they'll begin to chip away at all the corruption he brought to the office.
|3.11.08 @ 8:54AM|#
schadenfreude \SHOD-n-froy-duh\, noun:
A malicious satisfaction obtained from the misfortunes of
others.
Thank you Mr. Spritzer, Spitzer, for perfectly illustrating this
fine word...
|3.11.08 @ 8:58AM|#
...selling the services of women whose bodies were
displayed, their faces concealed, on a Web site.
The link I posted yesterday had upper torso shots with faces.
Oooooohh right, those were the "spokes" models they had. That's
probably a completely separate business line.
See? Eliot just wanted someone he could talk to. Someone that
understands him and the demands of his job, not like his wife, who
doesn't. She just doesn't understand the stress of crushing peoples
lives and businesses into dust through egomania and an overt abuse
of power, not the way Kristen does.
BakedPenguin|3.11.08 @ 9:07AM|#
Must you find a way to squeeze an Ernie Borgnine reference into every single f*cking post?
Or at least for this thread, it could have been the Poseidon
Adventure, where he played a cop who had gotten together with
a hooker.
Episiarch|3.11.08 @ 9:07AM|#
I don't think he'll get in much legal trouble, being the
john; but at least his career is over, and not a moment too soon.
That's good enough for me. Plus, all his previous shenanigans will
be scrutinized, and with any luck they'll begin to chip away at all
the corruption he brought to the office.
This may be just the tip of the iceberg. Who knows what digging
through his finances will find?
It would be the ultimate karmic justice if the prosecutor who files
charges against Spitzer is a egomaniacal power-seeking
career-advancing sociopath--just like Eliot himself.
please please please
Rimfax|3.11.08 @ 9:10AM|#
A friend just reminded me that this was like Little Nicky come partly true.
mrk|3.11.08 @ 9:15AM|#
No. As Jennifer said, he has ruined people for doing the
same thing. He has to pay, by his own "rules", for this. Of course,
he won't agree with that, which is why he should get fucked as much
as possible.
Actually, judging from the look on his wife's face, he may not get
fucked for a long time.
Rimfax|3.11.08 @ 9:17AM|#
It may just be that I am an eternal pessimist, but with the precedents of Clinton, Craig, and Jefferson, I somehow see him coming through this with his career intact.
|3.11.08 @ 9:19AM|#
Is this better than giving blow jobs at rest stops on the New
Jersy turnpike?
Or was Governor MacGreavy one of the few politicians to ever
provide public service?
|3.11.08 @ 9:22AM|#
Jennifer,
Prefer the complete package.
It's not what he did--though I personally find his behavior
repugnant and feel sorry for his family--but what he's been doing
that has me enjoying l'affair Spitzer. I just about got
ill this morning when NPR went on and on about how popular he has
been and how he's been this symbol of justice, etc. That's complete
bull. All evildoers just happened to be high profile? All of his
cases required his direct involvement in front of the cameras? The
guy is scum and misused the law for his own personal gain. He's
also amazingly hypocritical, and he's very likely financially
corrupt.
I intend to enjoy his downfall to the hilt, and I hope it is
horrifying enough to dissuade some similarly minded people from
behaving that way in the future. Of course, what he's going down
for and what he should've gone down for are two different things,
unfortunately.
|3.11.08 @ 9:22AM|#
I find that I can enjoy this whole Spitzer scandal a lot more of I get a mental picture of the governor, in flagrante delicto
|3.11.08 @ 9:27AM|#
If you are the governor, how come you are only client 9?
Shouldn't you be client 1? And what does it take to be client 1 to
8?
I'm thinking it's a pentavirate of the queen, the vatican, the
Gettys, the Rothschilds and Colonel Sanders.
And Rimfax, leave me out of this.
|3.11.08 @ 9:28AM|#
The way it works, in order of desirability:
1: Nice face, hot body - perfect
2: Ugly face, hot body, - butterface
3: Nice face, fat body - plus sized model
4: Ugly face, fat body - gutter pig
3 & 4 are to be avoided except when drunk and
not around people who will recognize you and mock you for goin'
hoggin'. I hope this has been an educational service.
And no, I haven't gotten laid in months.
Episiarch|3.11.08 @ 9:31AM|#
What's the same about a moped and a fat chick?
They're both fun to ride until your friends see you on one.
ZING
|3.11.08 @ 9:39AM|#
Best thing I have read about this was some random blog linked by
Instapundit; "prostitute linked to Elliot Spitzer resigns in
disgrace for escort service."
Warty, I believe the technical term for number three is "Big
Beautiful Woman or BBW".
kinnath|3.11.08 @ 9:41AM|#
The sex is irrelevant.
The IRS was interested in Spitzer's financial dealings. The federal
investigators originally thought Spitzer was trying to hide bribes.
The prostitution ring is the "victim" Spitzer's financial
indescretions not the other way around.
|3.11.08 @ 9:41AM|#
"If you are the governor, how come you are only client 9?
Shouldn't you be client 1? And what does it take to be client 1 to
8?"
Any guesses on who clients 1 through 8 are? My money is on Bill
Clinton as Client Number 1.
|3.11.08 @ 9:43AM|#
The other thing about this is that the ring was apparently run by Russian mobsters. Basically the governor of New York set himself up to be extorted by Russian mobsters.
|3.11.08 @ 9:49AM|#
Now,if only Rudy would get busted for buying a dime bag of pot.I for one do think he should be jailed.Making and enforcing laws against consensual conduct then pretending they do not apply to you!That is the height of corruption .Louis the 14th would be proud.
|3.11.08 @ 9:51AM|#
Jennifer - yes he should get all he has coming to his hypocrit
ass. As for body versus face in a woman of course both is ideal but
then life usually isn't. Just remember this guys fat chicks can
lose weight, ugly ones will always be ugly.
$4300 an hour no wonder taxes are so high in NY. Vitter got a much
better rate, guess that just goes to show the merits of
conservatives over liberals. Another one on the long list of
hypocrits. Jimmy Swaggert could have gotten him busted for $15.
|3.11.08 @ 9:52AM|#
John wins the thread.
Jennifer,
For the prices they were quoting on that website, I imagine even
the most understanding of men feel they have the right to be
obscenely shallow.
Seriously, it's not so much wrong as it is ostentatious.
Alice Bowie|3.11.08 @ 9:55AM|#
Episiarch ... that's pretty mean
Jennifer, I agree.
He should be prosecuted because he (and people like him like
Guiliani) have ruined so many people for minor vice offenses.
Many people will have difficulty obtaining jobs for my marijuana an
prostitution.
People like Spitzer and Guiliani should be burned on the same STAKE
as us minions. There WEALTH SHOULD ALSO BE TAKEN AWAY !!!
But, instead of revenge...I would like to see these people
supporters of eliminating things like the REGISTRY and RICO...FOR
ALL...not just the special people.
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 9:57AM|#
Ah, so that is why Kristen actually brought the beer, for once,
on Valentine's Day.
Doubleplus good that I neve use this handle with Emperors Club VIP.
I use my real name to remain anonymous. But where the heck am I
going to spend my federal tax-rebate now?
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 10:00AM|#
Any guesses on who clients 1 through 8 are? My money is on
Bill Clinton as Client Number 1.
Well, I suspect not. He appears to stick with the GUE rule and only
let the "freebies" catch him in the past.
|3.11.08 @ 10:04AM|#
Apropos of Jennifer's question, Janet Reno's face on Elle
MacPherson's body would probably have me running away
screaming.
I will also mention, that many beautiful women have managed to make
themselves utterly repulsive by getting plastic surgery.
-jcr
|3.11.08 @ 10:06AM|#
Since the ring was run by Russians, I assume the protitute in
question was probably some stunnning Russian beauty, brought to
this country for the purpose of being a high end call girl. Now,
read the below linked press release from Spitzer after the passage
of the 2007 Human Trafficing Act passed by the NY legislature and
enjoy.
http://www.ny.gov/governor/press/0516071.html
Updating and enhancing our human-trafficking laws to adequately
punish the perpetrators of these unspeakable crimes and
sufficiently support victims is critically important," said
Governor Spitzer. "New York is finally joining the ranks of other
states in ensuring that those who exploit innocent people and
children and cause extreme suffering are subject to strict
punishment under state law."
|3.11.08 @ 10:07AM|#
My brother in law calls the "butterface" a Bengal. Great
uniform, ugly helmet.
If client 9 works for the Russian mob who does number 2 work
for?
|3.11.08 @ 10:11AM|#
If only he had just used Craigslist:
None of the ads below are mine. But any really hot singles near
Washington DC are welcome to email me directly
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off when, where, and how you want. I'm a good looking, fit white
male professional. Normally I'm not into such shallow hookups, but
the thought of providing pleasure to a man who's going to decide
our nation's likely next president makes me so horny.
Yes, I've got political preferences between the two candidates, and
hey, if the topic comes up maybe we can discuss. But my mouth is
going to be full so I'll let you do most of the talking.
Be safe and don't get too dirty, on Craigslist or with the
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Reply to: pers-564507611@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-02-06, 12:57AM EST
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Reply to: pers-572559422@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-02-13, 6:17AM CST
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|3.11.08 @ 10:16AM|#
But the fact that he prosecuted others for doing the exact
same thing is reason to prosecute him, stick him on the
sex-offender registry, and inflict upon him every other legal
misery he inflicted upon others.
Gosh Jennifer, that is awfully vindictive. I'm with you 100%.
Especially the sex offender registry listing. This is an
sex crime. I don't want that pervert living within 1000 yards of a
school or a park or a youth center or a church or anyplace children
gather.
It's for the children.
Alice Bowie|3.11.08 @ 10:21AM|#
J sub D
Agree !
But like i said earlier. If he becomes a supporter of eliminating
the Scarlet Letter for minor offenses...and his
offense is definitely minor. I would 4-give.
Alice Bowie|3.11.08 @ 10:26AM|#
Let's 4-give Spitzer, Lary Craig, Marion Barry, Bernard
Kerik, etc. if they agree to become SUPPORTERS of the
Elimination of the Scarlet Letter for Vice and Minor
Offenses.
I can see why a 35 yo Man who Fondles an 11 yo boy in a part
deserves to be on a preditor list. However, I don't think an 18 yo
getting a BJ from a 16yo should go on same list.
Nor, do I believe a GrandMother should have her HOUSE REPO'd
because her grand daughter purchased CRACK three blocks away...and
used Grannies Address
STOP THE MADNESS...STOP THE HYPOCRACY...Long live the Magna
Carta
Windypundit|3.11.08 @ 10:28AM|#
Although most of us libertarians rightly don't care about the
sex or the money, I think we have every right to be pissed off
about the public corruption.
Assuming he didn't start doing this when he became governor, this
guy was doing business with a mob-controlled organization while he
was the New York State Attorney General. They even let him run up a
tab.
I wonder how much of his crazy shit will start to make sense if you
assume he was protecting organized crime figures. It would explain
why so many of his biggest prosecutions were of legitimate
businesses.
T|3.11.08 @ 10:29AM|#
Sincere question for the men in the room: if a woman's body
is attractive enough, do you really not care what her face looks
like?
Depends. Does she have a face to make a train take a dirt road or
does the face just not stack up to a smokin' hot bod? There comes a
point where the face is tough to get past even for tonight. If the
rest of the package (body + brains) is good, I can live with a
butterface. If I'm just looking for tonight, butterfaces are even
better because they usually have self-esteem issues that make it
easier to get them into bed.
Please note this is all hypothetical since I'm happily married and
don't do this kind of thing anymore.
Janet|3.11.08 @ 10:30AM|#
However, I don't think an 18 yo getting a BJ from a 16yo
should go on same list.
The law's the law, that is pedifilia
|3.11.08 @ 10:30AM|#
I think Hit & Run should run about ten more posts on
Spitzer. I, for one, will not complain.
Speaking of Hit & Run posts, nothing on the mano a
mano between Barry Diller and John Malone (now in Delaware
Chancery Court)? The rest of the media is running the blow-by-blow
pretty much on a daily basis.
|3.11.08 @ 10:36AM|#
"Assuming he didn't start doing this when he became governor,
this guy was doing business with a mob-controlled organization
while he was the New York State Attorney General. They even let him
run up a tab."
It is called human trafficing. If the media had any balls they
would run a few sob stories about Russian girls brought to this
country by the Russian Mob to be hookers. It would be fucking
great.
|3.11.08 @ 10:36AM|#
That's not a bad idea. When high profile folks get busted we
could give them a choice...be brought down in disgrace OR we'll
forgive them as long as they now set to work, with the same passion
as before, to LEGALIZE whatever behavior for which they got
busted.
I mean, if they were doing it, it probably shouldn't be a crime,
right?
Episiarch|3.11.08 @ 10:39AM|#
Of course, when "Kristen" writes her book we should finally get
to see what she looks like (if not sooner). Plus, maybe we get a
little insight into what they do for that much bread.
My prediction: she will not be $5000/hr hot, because no one is.
|3.11.08 @ 10:43AM|#
"not be $5000/hr hot, because no one is."
Well, if I could overcome my aversion to paying for sex*, I could
see $5K/hour as a reasonable rate for Kate Beckinsale.
-jcr
*Paying for it just seems like giving up all hope.
kinnath|3.11.08 @ 10:44AM|#
My prediction: she will not be $5000/hr hot, . .
.
5k per hour doesn't buy hot. It buys exclusivity and/or
prestige.
No doubt that luxury products are better than Walmart specials. But
after a certain point, you are just paying for brand name
recognition.
|3.11.08 @ 10:45AM|#
"My prediction: she will not be $5000/hr hot, because no one
is."
That is an interesting question; why would anyone pay $5000 an hour
when you could go on Craig's list and find any number of very hot
women willing to screw for 1/10th of that price? The answer I think
lies in the nature of the client and the nature of who was running
the service. The problem with a $500 hooker off of Craig's list if
you are well known is that she is liable to go to the media and
make some cash from you being her client. My guess is the reason
why Spitzer was paying such premium rates was so that he didn't
have to worry about the hooker going public. Now, why does the
$5000 an hour hooker not go public? Because the people she works
for make it clear that they will put a bullet in her head if she
ever does. And these are the people Spitzer was giving 10s of
thousands of dollars to.
|3.11.08 @ 10:45AM|#
So what I'm hearing is that many libertarians advocate the
enforcement of evil laws if they happen to punish evil men - spite
trumps principle.
The only real crime here is the law itself, and the only thing this
guy did wrong was to enthusiastically (and probably corruptly)
enforce the law.
I think whether you feel he should be prosecuted for prostitution
crimes is related to whether you fully embrace the notion that,
say, the first amendment is there to protect speech you don't
like.
And it's amazing that folks who want to nail him for his hypocrisy
will abandon their beliefs against bad laws in order to prosecute
him with those bad laws.
Windypundit|3.11.08 @ 10:46AM|#
"If the media had any balls they would run a few sob stories
about Russian girls brought to this country by the Russian Mob to
be hookers."
We had a case of that here in Chicago about 10 years ago involving
Russian mobsters bringing in girls from Latvia. They were
prosecuted under the peonage laws---i.e. they were engaged in
slavery.
"Governor Spitzer Paying Mobsters to Have Sex With Slaves" has a
nice ring to it, doesn't it?
PC|3.11.08 @ 10:47AM|#
If Spitzer thinks that prosecution is the proper remedy for this
victimless crime among others then we must clean his conscience and
prosecute. It's for his own good, it is what Eliot would want us to
do in this situation. We need to carry out his wishes. The
government is stepping in to help him. He will thank us all
later.
It's too bad because the real "crime" that has victims in this
whole mess is infidelity. That hurts more people than the financial
transaction he used to do so.
It's cheating losers like Eliot that give prostitutes a bad
name.
Windypundit|3.11.08 @ 10:49AM|#
"So what I'm hearing is that many libertarians advocate the
enforcement of evil laws if they happen to punish evil men - spite
trumps principle."
I'm not advocating the prosecution of Elliot Spitzer. But since
it's going to happen anyway, I'm going to enjoy it.
Episiarch|3.11.08 @ 10:50AM|#
And it's amazing that folks who want to nail him for his
hypocrisy will abandon their beliefs against bad laws in order to
prosecute him with those bad laws.
The laws are there and aren't going to change any time soon. So
fuck Spitzer, if the laws are there and he enforced them then I
want to see him taken down.
If this case caused those laws to be repealed and he kept his job,
I would cheer. But that ain't gonna happen, so let's enjoy his
flameout while we can.
And if him getting raked over the coals causes anyone to rethink
the laws, then that's good too.
|3.11.08 @ 10:51AM|#
"Governor Spitzer Paying Mobsters to Have Sex With Slaves" has a
nice ring to it, doesn't it?"
Yes it does. See my post above. Spitzer was paying for something
beyond just sex. He was paying for anonymity and it was provided by
basically supplying him with a slave. This really isn't just an
ordinary hooker case for that reason.
PC|3.11.08 @ 10:56AM|#
Andy_D,
Yeah we should let him go so he could continue to screw people over
with his addiction to power. Unfortunately evil men don't get
prosecuted or lose their job for merely being evil.
Ben|3.11.08 @ 10:56AM|#
"Kristin" was American, I don't think she was anyone's slave. I have no doubt her employers emphasized how angry they would be if she did not keep things confidential, but I don't think this was some giant sex slave ring.
|3.11.08 @ 10:57AM|#
Some of the news sources I'm seeing on the web are dropping the
word, "american," from the description of the torque wench in
question.
That does seem curious to my little mind.
|3.11.08 @ 10:57AM|#
You know what else?If these businesses were legal the Russian mob would not be needed.Just like alcohol and drugs the law forces people who want this service to deal with criminals.We replaced guys like Al Capone with Bud,Coors and Miller.
kinnath|3.11.08 @ 10:59AM|#
He was paying for anonymity and it was provided by basically
supplying him with a slave.
Your assumptions are not supported by the court documents which the
NYT put online yesterday (in PDF). That is not to say that some
aspect of the prostitution ring involved trafficed women. The women
refenced in the court documents appear to be free agents living and
working in the US.
|3.11.08 @ 10:59AM|#
PSA - Emperor's Club just raised their prices on the 'fucking steamroller' special
kinnath|3.11.08 @ 11:01AM|#
That is not to say that some aspect of the prostitution ring
involveddid not involvetrafficed
women.
Too many negatives this early in the morning.
|3.11.08 @ 11:01AM|#
Episiarch,
I believe the market sets the price for goods and services. If
Eliot thought she was worth 5,000/hr then she was indeed worth
5,000.
|3.11.08 @ 11:03AM|#
I stand corrected about the hooker. Nonetheless, I doubt these were the kind of people to be screwed with. I would imagine she was told that if she ever outed any of the clients she wouldn't live long. Not sex slavery but still really nasty.
Other Matt|3.11.08 @ 11:05AM|#
The laws are there and aren't going to change any time soon.
So fuck Spitzer, if the laws are there and he enforced them then I
want to see him taken down.
If this case caused those laws to be repealed and he kept his job,
I would cheer. But that ain't gonna happen, so let's enjoy his
flameout while we can.
I would agree but for his moralizing when he enforced things on
others. Those who preach deserve what they preach in my mind. What
pissed me off about Clinton was not so much he went after a chubby
intern, I don't particularly like that much meat on the grill but
if someone else does, great for them. It was that under his
administration, they were actively prosecuting and running out
people from the military for adultery, and when he gets caught as
the Commander in Briefs, he claims it's a "private matter." Fuck
that, if it's a private matter, quit fucking over all the service
members who pay more attention to their military duties but less to
their marital obligations.
Other Matt|3.11.08 @ 11:06AM|#
Follow up: My point is that people in power need to adhere to the standard they hold everyone else to, more strictly if possible.
Episiarch|3.11.08 @ 11:06AM|#
PSA - Emperor's Club just raised their prices on the
'fucking steamroller' special
Cleaveland Steamerroller?
Rocky Mountain Steam Cleaner Roller?
If Eliot turns out to have done any of these then maybe there is a
god.
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 11:07AM|#
John,
Too much conjecture on your part this AM. They could have been
really nice Russian managers for all you know. For that matter, all
we know about the people running the dating service has come from
cops and frequently-less-than-accurate "news" outlets.
Perhaps when reason does their own investigation, rather
than relying on their peers, we will get to the root of the
facts.
Rhywun|3.11.08 @ 11:09AM|#
If this is really mob-related (and if it is, it hasn't hit any of the major media I've seen) then there's nothing at all "voluntary" about the work going on.
Jay|3.11.08 @ 11:11AM|#
He should be prosecuted for prostitution and for money laundering, then he should have all his assets seized, then he should be put on the offender registry for life. That is what he would do to others.
|3.11.08 @ 11:11AM|#
bear with me kids.
Jesus said: judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what
judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged...
matthew 7:1-2
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 11:13AM|#
Rywun,
Why must you impose your unfounded biases on those who do not share
your chosen profession?
|3.11.08 @ 11:15AM|#
"My question is this: since a porn actress will do all sorts of
crazy stuff for amounts at (I believe) $700-1000 per shoot, are
they getting more than that (as in all the sex acts)? I doubt it;
I'm sure the secrecy and vetting of the girls is what costs."
Its the anonimity he pays for. Plus, these girls are very
attractive (both face and body- many are models) and somewhat
intelligent (girls paying their way through college). Its also
about anonimity for the girls as well- these girls dont want to
make porn for everyone to see. And they get to meet "interesting"
men- not your average john.
Also, the girl does not get the full $5000- actually less than
half.
kinnath|3.11.08 @ 11:15AM|#
The excerpts posted at smoking gun yesterday included one worker
complaining the pay was no better than she could get modelling and
she got into the business to make more than when she modelled.
Another worker was complaining about a co-worker's time conflicts
getting her kids to and from school.
These ladies were not trafficed women from eastern europe.
Rhywun|3.11.08 @ 11:16AM|#
Montag, if I chose to hook voluntarily for the mob, even $5K an hour wouldn't be enough.
JLM|3.11.08 @ 11:16AM|#
re: Bill Clinton being client #1.
I doubt it. His history suggests that attractive women aren't his
thing.
|3.11.08 @ 11:17AM|#
He apparently met the hooker in Room 871 of the Mayflower hotel in Washington under the name of George Fox. Clearly, room 871 needs to be renamed as the George Fox suite.
|3.11.08 @ 11:18AM|#
From the NYT today
"In a wiretapped conversation after the encounter, the prostitute,
Kristen, called her booker to inform her that the session had gone
well, and that she did not find the client "difficult," as other
prostitutes apparently had, according to the affidavit.
The booker responds that he, in an apparent reference to Client 9,
sometimes asks the women "to do things that, like, you might not
think were safe.""
Why am I not surprised that he was a shithead to his hookers?
Anyone have a guess on what exactly Elliot wanted that the hooker
thought someone might not think were safe? Am I evil wanting to
hear that he wanted her to dress up like a little girl?
kinnath|3.11.08 @ 11:21AM|#
You're late to the party John, these points were discussed at length yesterday. Perhaps you could go review that thread.
|3.11.08 @ 11:24AM|#
" things that, like, you might not think were safe"
Oh, so the five grand rate was the premium for being a
sadist?
-jcr
|3.11.08 @ 11:25AM|#
How "anti-prostitution" was Spitzer, really? State attorneys
general don't make the laws.
Second, haven't the media exaggerated his relationship with the
service -- implying that he was more than just a high-profile
client? "Links to" the ring suggests considerably more; yet nothing
else has been alleged.
Which bank reported this to the authorities? Would it be fair to
say that all over New York, bankers are pleased to hear of
Spitzer's misfortunes? And that getting someone investigated by the
IRS is a pretty good way of harassing them on the cheap?
Finally, isn't the real story here that once again, a massive and
expensive investigation into the alleged corruption of a public
official ultimately comes down to little more than a blow
job?
Oh, more than a blow job. Maybe he asked for anal. That changes
everything?
|3.11.08 @ 11:30AM|#
Elizabeth Gracen,
I meant the other ones. Let me make it up to you sweetie.....
Episiarch|3.11.08 @ 11:30AM|#
Oh, more than a blow job. Maybe he asked for anal. That
changes everything?
If he did that, at least he'd have started getting something for
how much he paid.
As for the rest of your post, if you can't see the cosmic justice
in this, and the fact that Spitzer is a grade-A five-star shithead,
well, I guess you're hopeless.
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 11:34AM|#
Rhywun,
Montag, WTF is your point?
That everybody does not share your values and biases. So, you then
posted on how you would not do what plenty of other people
do.
Sorry if I am not bright enough to explain this to you.
kinnath|3.11.08 @ 11:38AM|#
How "anti-prostitution" was Spitzer, really? State attorneys
general don't make the laws.
As a prosecutor, he busted and prosecuted two prostitution rings
and made public statements that these evil businesses were a threat
to public safety.
So, yes he should take in the ass for this.
|3.11.08 @ 11:41AM|#
That's not a bad idea. When high profile folks get busted we could give them a choice...be brought down in disgrace OR we'll forgive them as long as they now set to work, with the same passion as before, to LEGALIZE whatever behavior for which they got busted.
I mean, if they were doing it, it probably shouldn't be a crime, right?
This is a brilliant idea!
kinnath|3.11.08 @ 11:42AM|#
The allegations bearing down on New York's governor didn't start
with a prostitute -- despite lurid details in a federal affidavit
detailing an alleged tryst with a "very pretty brunette" named
Kristen last month.
As New York attorney general, Eliot Spitzer, seen in 2004, was
known for tackling corruption.
1 of 2 Rather, sources familiar with the investigation said Tuesday
that Gov. Eliot Spitzer's troubles began with a federal
money-laundering probe.
From CNN.
Spitzer was not randomly caught in the net of a prostitution
investigation. He was the cause of the investigation.
|3.11.08 @ 11:46AM|#
also from cnn. "This is a devastating blow to a once brilliant political career."
|3.11.08 @ 11:46AM|#
Epi,
Feministing
thread on the subject, containing a paragraph in the commentary
so clueless about beauty and economics that it almost has to be
satire:
This was also an allegedly "high dollar" prostitution ring.
This makes me feel gross in so many ways. So if I woman is
beautiful/ young/ virginal/ experienced at S&M, etc. she's
worth a higher fetching price than an average prostitute? How is
there a market for this? Who decides what a round with a specific
women costs? Are there A, B, and C models? I could go on. You
understand my hurt and pain in even thinking this kind of world
exists.
|3.11.08 @ 11:53AM|#
SugarFree
That quote does indeed display an extraordinary level of
cluelessness, but you know, "You understand my hurt and pain in
even thinking this kind of world exists", almost perfectly
describes what I feel when I follow a link to Feministing and read
some of the comments there.
Episiarch|3.11.08 @ 11:55AM|#
Ahhhhh SugarFree you dick...
I am not getting work done already with this whole damn Spitzer
thing and now you remind me that Feministing will be possibly more
entertaining than I can handle.
Why do you hate me and America?
more feministing|3.11.08 @ 12:00PM|#
This is especially sad, given Spitzer's record of fighting for women's rights. I guess I should be glad that he's fighting for the prostitutes' rights in addition to supporting their livelihood (with his own genitals, even! Way to support the cause.)
|3.11.08 @ 12:03PM|#
I do what I can when work doesn't intrude.
Why do you hate me and America?
Because of what you did to my peoples!
March 17th? What a shitty day for an Irish holiday. It's stupid to
have St. Paddy's Day when it's too cold to piss in the streets.
|3.11.08 @ 12:08PM|#
The first
Feministing thread on Spitzer does contain this amusing bit of
conspiracy theory.
So, Spitzer's all set to strengthen NY's abortion laws in favor
of women, & then this hits the fan? Great timing!
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 12:12PM|#
Any predictions on what firm will fill the void left by this overzealous prosecution of an undocumented business?
Fluffy|3.11.08 @ 12:13PM|#
Spite trumps principle
Ah, but spite is a principle.
The entire point of spite is the principle.
Episiarch|3.11.08 @ 12:21PM|#
While the myth of an independent female sex worker may be
appealing to some degree, it is mostly that in this patriarchal
society -- a myth.
So...difficult...to...stop...laughing...
|3.11.08 @ 12:21PM|#
"So if I woman is beautiful/ young/ virginal/ experienced at
S&M, etc. she's worth a higher fetching price than an average
prostitute?"
As a beautiful, still-young, not-so-virginal, and
somewhat-experienced at S&M woman I am offended by the
feministing. Can anyone understand my hurt and pain? ;)
(the fact that I had to qualify the adjectives cannot be good.
damn. although it's hard to understand how one can be "virginal"
and "experienced at S&M" at the same time)
oh noes!|3.11.08 @ 12:29PM|#
although it's hard to understand how one can be "virginal"
and "experienced at S&M" at the same time
Forced chastity play.
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 12:32PM|#
the fact that I had to qualify the adjectives cannot be
good. damn. although it's hard to understand how one can be
"virginal" and "experienced at S&M" at the same time
Well, S&M does not always include sex you know . . .
That string does bring the image to mind of the Asian "schoolgirl"
from Kill Bill.
Fluffy|3.11.08 @ 12:35PM|#
"So if I woman is beautiful/ young/ virginal/ experienced at
S&M, etc. she's worth a higher fetching price than an average
prostitute?"
This is obviously a person made obtuse by too much
philosophizing.
To be confused in this way, you have to implicitly believe that the
beautiful and ugly, the young and the old, the clean and the
[potentially] diseased, and the clever and the clumsy should all be
valued equally sexually.
Basically even asking this question makes it clear that you would
approve if Plato's Republic sprang into being, and the
beautiful and young were forced to have sex with the old and ugly
[without compensation] just to demonstrate that everyone is
equal.
|3.11.08 @ 12:35PM|#
Given Spitzer's prosecution of folks that purveyed the same type of service that he patronized, and his shameful Bible thumping (Old Testament), you'd have to say that he has this coming
|3.11.08 @ 12:40PM|#
The faces thing surprised me. Sincere question for the men
in the room: if a woman's body is attractive enough, do you really
not care what her face looks like? Conversely, if a woman has an
extremely pretty face, is that sufficient for you to overlook an
unattractive (by whatever your standards are) body?
Am I sober? I knew a woman with a knockout figure and a, to put it
charitably, substandard face. Guys would joke that they'd even kiss
her face so that they could kiss her ass. My second, best, and
final wife had a beautiful face and was, by government standards,
obese. After six months you spend a lot more time looking at a
woman's face than you spend leering at her body.
That's just me.
alan|3.11.08 @ 12:40PM|#
The faces thing surprised me. Sincere question for the men
in the room: if a woman's body is attractive enough, do you really
not care what her face looks like? Conversely, if a woman has an
extremely pretty face, is that sufficient for you to overlook an
unattractive (by whatever your standards are) body?
Personally, I prefer interesting faces over beautiful. Sarah
Jessica Parker over Angelina Jolie.
Skinny over either fat or classically proportional like a 40's
pinup.
I don't really get hung up on any of that though, as attractive
women come in many different types, and beauty and sexual
attraction are not the same thing.
I've noticed in several reports the shock and dismay of Good(y two
shoes)
government types who believe this behavior to be out of character
with Spitzer and what he represented. I'm surprised by this, but it
seems for a lot of our fellow Americans history isn't something
they have absorbed much of and in political terms they really were
born yesterday.
Of course, you don't have to be a libertarian to understand the
intersection between a sociopathic hunger for power and control
over people's lives, but it certainly helps.
intertubez nerd|3.11.08 @ 12:41PM|#
As a beautiful, still-young, not-so-virginal, and
somewhat-experienced at S&M woman I am offended by the
feministing. Can anyone understand my hurt and pain? ;)
pics plz
dhex|3.11.08 @ 12:41PM|#
So what I'm hearing is that many libertarians advocate the
enforcement of evil laws if they happen to punish evil men - spite
trumps principle.
when someone is hoisted by their own petard, it's hard not to
laugh.
when someone spends their life making petards for others, and then
gets caught in their own net...etc etc and so forth.
now, if any of us actually had a say in the legality of
prostitution, you might have a point somewhere in there. but we
don't. this blowjob did. and thusly we all join hands and dance
around the laughing pool.
ha ha ha ha
fuck you spitzer
ha ha ha ha
fuck you
Peter Griffin|3.11.08 @ 12:42PM|#
Sarah Jessica Parker over Angelina Jolie.
But she looks like a foot!
|3.11.08 @ 12:43PM|#
"My prediction: she will not be $5000/hr hot, because no one
is."
I like what the French say, "In the dark, all cats are gray."
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 12:50PM|#
Fluffy,
You just converted me to a Platonic Republican.
Unrelated comment, I am still so torn, between the description rana
gives and a woman who can weld.
|3.11.08 @ 12:54PM|#
I don't post too much, but I posted the below yesterday, and it
kinda fits here as well - what a time saver. Now, a reference to
climate change - sure is "cold" and/or hot today, depending on your
global warming view, and this comment is good for every
article!
"...but renting a dog is a four-legged escort service. It devalues
all parties."
But I like being devalued - thats the point!!! May I have
another?
Rhywun|3.11.08 @ 12:58PM|#
Montag,
Yes, there are probably ladies who choose to hook for the mob and
make more money due to the increased risk. Knowingly aiding said
criminal enterprise makes them criminals too. Choosing to be a
criminal is hardly a choice worth celebrating.
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 12:58PM|#
SF,
Drat! I must wait until I get home to watch that! Trying to
preserve my precious bodily fluids as the workday throbs on.
alan|3.11.08 @ 12:59PM|#
In spite of myself, I did feel for the little misses at
Spitzer's news conference yesterday though she bares some
responsibilaty for giving the sociopath the cover of legitamacy
through marrying him in the first place. She looks like she could
use some consoling. Anyone ever notice women's nipples get better
looking with age. A few years ago I dated a girl I knew well in
highschool, her body, much better looking this time around . . .
any way, I digress.
Sarah Jessica Parker over Angelina Jolie.
But she looks like a foot!
It's the deeply set eyes that are a little closer together than
they should be, that just turns me on like nobody's business.
Unlike everyone else in Hollyweird she has never fucked with her
gorgeous hair, one bobbed due cut and I can never look at you the
same way again.
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 1:02PM|#
Rhywun,
Everybody does not wish for your fundamentalist values to be
enshrined in law and imposed at the barrel of a gun at
others.
Nobody imposed "forced fun" celebrations on anybody else either.
Well, in some other countries, yes, but not here.
USA USA USA
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 1:04PM|#
alan,
She looks like she could use some consoling.
If she can weld, I will share the duty with you.
alan|3.11.08 @ 1:06PM|#
She looks like she could use some consoling.
If she can weld, I will share the duty with you.
I call sloppy seconds!
Rhywun|3.11.08 @ 1:07PM|#
Montag,
WTF are you talking about? I have nothing against voluntary
hooking. Hooking for the mob is either non-voluntary or
criminal. Fuck. You're so happy to shoot people down you don't read
what they write.
|3.11.08 @ 1:07PM|#
Oh, so the five grand rate was the premium for being a
sadist?
Yes. Asking a girl to dress up as Henry Blodget, and slap you with
Amazon stock certificates, isn't something your average hooker
would do.
|3.11.08 @ 1:09PM|#
The faces thing surprised me. Sincere question for the men
in the room: if a woman's body is attractive enough, do you really
not care what her face looks like? Conversely, if a woman has an
extremely pretty face, is that sufficient for you to overlook an
unattractive (by whatever your standards are) body?
I am blessed in that I do not have to choose -- Mrs. sixstring has
a smoking body and a pretty face. She can't weld but she is handy
with a screwdriver. Biggest drawback and sometimes greatest asset
-- politics doesn't interest her in the least.
If I were shopping for a sex partner, and I am not, I would first
be concerned with the type of service provided, then body type,
then face.
dhex|3.11.08 @ 1:09PM|#
forget it rhywun - it's montblog.
stare not into the fuckfacery, lest it spoil your lunch.
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 1:25PM|#
Rhywun,
Seems someone else is the one failing to read . . . Just because
they make different choices in their employers than you do is no
reason to condemn them.
Isn't there already enough hate in the world without adding
more?
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 1:30PM|#
SF,
Groovy! But the big-brother filter at work will not let me get to
that either. Trying The Google.
|3.11.08 @ 1:35PM|#
Wow, that sucks. We may not get paid much, but we have zero filtering of the Internet.
Rhywun|3.11.08 @ 1:41PM|#
Montag,
You're an idiot. I give up. Consider that a "win" if you wish. Make
up something else I didn't say while you're at it for bonus
points.
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 1:45PM|#
Wow, name calling and everything just for not agreeing with your biased views and not accepting them as my own.
dhex|3.11.08 @ 1:47PM|#
oh montblog, montblog
you take away the sins of the world
have mercy on ussssssssssssssssss...
there are, of course, choices. and then there are choices. the
DEMAND KURVE types conflate choice[1] and choice[2] because
complicated thinking hurtz head head hurtz bad durn socialistz
hurtz head owwie.
Fluffy|3.11.08 @ 2:20PM|#
Guy, you do in fact appear to have severe reading comprehension
problems.
As far as I can determine, Rhywun is distinguishing between
prostitutes that work for the mob and prostitutes that don't
because:
1. Prostitutes who work for the mob are much less likely to be
voluntary prostitutes
and
2. Prostitutes who do work voluntarily for the mob are contributing
the proceeds of their work to an organization that commits actual,
non-victimless crimes.
This would mean that your counterarguments are non-sequiturs.
Just because they make different choices in their employers
than you do is no reason to condemn them
This wouldn't apply to the prostitutes under #1, and Rhywun isn't
condemning those prostitutes - she is showing concern for them, and
their effective slavery.
It would apply to the prostitutes under #2, but it's a pretty bad
argument. I think prostitution should be legal, too, but if you
have your choice of pimps and you choose Osama bin Laden or Charles
Manson, you suck and I condemn you. And yes, you deserve it.
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 2:28PM|#
Fluffy having a little fit?
Plenty of people voluntarily get involved with the mob, the people
I clearly was talking about. I did not make any sweeping
generalizations about anybody, just pointed out someone who was,
then they backtracked and did some loops.
Now, if you wish to discuss people who are involuntarily forced to
work for anybody (this so-called "mob" included), we would be
properly speaking of victims and the victomizers would be
rightly called "bad" people.
dhex|3.11.08 @ 2:30PM|#
"Spitz" means horny in German.
so his name means hornier in german?
totally awesome.
"voluntary" and "black market sex work" don't always fit
together.
har har har. get it?
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 2:35PM|#
Next thing you know, you people will be tryign to smear dog
fighting.
Wait, that was last year.
dhex|3.11.08 @ 2:43PM|#
hey now! the subhumans have to get their jollies somehow.
it can't all be hunting for alligators in the sewers, after
all.
Rhywun|3.11.08 @ 2:56PM|#
2. Prostitutes who do work voluntarily for the mob are
contributing the proceeds of their work to an organization that
commits actual, non-victimless crimes.
A category that I thought it went without saying I was excluding
from my original comment, except to assholes who trawl through the
comments looking for cheap points to score.
Casey K. Serin|3.11.08 @ 3:09PM|#
Eliot Spitzer is a gay man.... not that there's anything wrong with that!
|3.11.08 @ 3:34PM|#
Guy Montag gets the double entendre of the thread award for this
one:
Any predictions on what firm will fill the void . . .
.
Fluffy|3.11.08 @ 3:41PM|#
Now, if you wish to discuss people who are involuntarily
forced to work for anybody (this so-called "mob" included), we
would be properly speaking of victims and the victomizers would be
rightly called "bad" people.
This is who Rhywun was initially talking about when she opened this
line of discussion by saying:
If this is really mob-related (and if it is, it hasn't hit any
of the major media I've seen) then there's nothing at all
"voluntary" about the work going on.
I read this as a lament for those prostitutes who are compelled to
work for the mob. This is because I can read English and understand
it.
You starting throwing out non sequiturs about Rhywun being a
fundamentalist or some such nonsense.
Rhwyun also addressed that subset of mob prostitutes who are not
under compulsion.
That still wasn't enough for you.
Seems someone else is the one failing to read . . . Just
because they make different choices in their employers than you do
is no reason to condemn them.
I thought that here you were still, for some reason, misreading
Rhywun's posts to be fundamentalist anti-prostitution screeds, when
it seems apparent to those of us who read English that she just
doesn't like the mob.
I tried to straighten that out for you, but the cognitive
dissonance halo around your head today is just too strong to break
through.
Guy Montag|3.11.08 @ 3:52PM|#
If this is really mob-related (and if it is, it hasn't hit any of the major media I've seen) then there's nothing at all "voluntary" about the work going on.
I read this as a lament for those prostitutes who are compelled
to work for the mob. This is because I can read English and
understand it.
And I read it as nobody working for the "mob" is
doing it voluntarily, as in willingly choosing to work for a
business controlled by "bad" people, not as in "community service".
The "then there's nothing at all "voluntary" about the work going
on" tipped me off to that interpretation.
Would taking one of those comma-placement classes instead of taking
decimal placement classes help correct the differences in what we
are seeing from the same words?
|3.11.08 @ 5:39PM|#
The faces thing surprised me. Sincere question for the men
in the room: if a woman's body is attractive enough, do you really
not care what her face looks like?
I think the face thing has more to do with not going to jail rather
then men don't like women's faces.
Plus there is the whole..."OMG that is that hooker from that web
site" thing.
|3.11.08 @ 6:45PM|#
Anyone looking into how this guy had this kind of money in cash
to pay for 1000$ an hour hookers?
How much does a NY attornay general make anyway?
|3.12.08 @ 12:47AM|#
Anyone looking into how this guy had this kind of money in
cash to pay for 1000$ an hour hookers?
How much does a NY attornay general make anyway?
That issue, due to the obvious implications, was discussed quite a
bit yesterday but turns out the Spitzer family is plenty wealthy to
support a multi-thousand dollar hooker habit. From the AP story
today:
Spitzer's vast personal wealth would have made it easy for him to spend thousands of dollars on prostitutes. The scion of a wealthy Manhattan real estate developer, Spitzer reported $1.9 million in income to the IRS in 2006.
|3.12.08 @ 9:31AM|#
He comes from immense IMMENSE wealth, so it is odd that he had
to monkey around with moving funds between accounts to cover the
cost. You'd think he would just have a separate checking account
that Daddy would fund, and he could take cash out when he pleases.
Something odd there.
He destroyed people's lives over prosecuting minor and ambiguous
offenses, including prostitution, all to further his political
career.
My prediction: he'll hang on & the democrats will close ranks
to protect him, a la Clinton.
Gilbert Martin|3.12.08 @ 10:11AM|#
"My prediction: he'll hang on & the democrats will close
ranks to protect him, a la Clinton."
I agree.
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