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The Frontrunner
McCain wins the Most Important State Ever. A humiliated (and relieved?) Rudy Giuliani, rumored to be stepping down and endorsing McCain tomorrow, is now quoting Teddy Roosevelt, and congratulating his competitors. Including Ron Paul: "He won the debates!"
The one thing we've learned tonight: There will never, ever, never, never, ever be another "late state strategy" in presidential politics again. At least until 2112.
UPDATE: Rudy's loser speech -- filled with "self-government," school choice, broadsides against "the central government" -- is better than anything I've heard from him all season. As was Fred Thompson's. Maybe when the rest of them lose they'll suddenly sound half-good, too? Certainly the still-ticking Romney sounds both horrid -- "before they have babies they should get married"?? -- and kind of teary-eyed.
Anyway, while the corpse is still warm, enjoy one last time David Weigel's profile of Giuliani in our December issue.
NP|1.29.08 @ 9:33PM|#
I have mixed feelings about this, but it's still kinda sad to see Rudy's stunning reversal of fortunes.
George Stevens|1.29.08 @ 9:34PM|#
Paul didn't do so well in the redneck counties.
So much for the paleo "redneck outreach."
He did a bit better in places where people are more educated.
|1.29.08 @ 9:34PM|#
I have mixed feelings about this, but it's still kinda sad to see Rudy's stunning reversal of fortunes.
I'd say its absolutely beautiful and satisfying to see Il Duce go
down in flames.
ed|1.29.08 @ 9:35PM|#
"The Frontrunner" meaning "The Horse Race."
"John McCain solidified his status as the front-runner for the
Republican presidential nomination"
It's The Race that's important from now on.
Fuck The Ideas.
It's all over.
I retire to bedlam.
|1.29.08 @ 9:41PM|#
That Wikipedia entry is much better than the album,
btw.
and here I was just starting to think you were cool ;-)
Bill Cooke|1.29.08 @ 9:42PM|#
I am starting to feel bad for all of those anti-Rudy comments on my blog.
NP|1.29.08 @ 9:43PM|#
Cesar,
I really don't like to see anyone lose. One would have to be an
absolute asshole for him/her to get no sympathy from me, like the
other Duce.
Steven Horwitz|1.29.08 @ 9:43PM|#
Actually, Matt, if you've ever looked at the main Wikipedia entry on Rush, it's one of their "featured articles," which is their Editor's Award they give to only about 1,855 of the over 2 million articles on the site. Whether you like them or not, it's really a great piece and example of what Wikipedia can be when folks in the know take entries seriously.
Steven Horwitz|1.29.08 @ 9:45PM|#
And yeah, 2112 is over-rated as an album. But the SONG is still one of the great "Fuck Yous" in the history of rock and roll, as the entry on the album notes.
Dodsworth|1.29.08 @ 9:46PM|#
Third party time! With McCain as the nominee, it is almost a done deal...and I don't mean Michael (McCain lite) Bloomberg.
|1.29.08 @ 9:46PM|#
The fact that he dry-humped a mass grace for six years to become President makes him loose just about all sympathy from my view. But I can understand where you are coming from.
Plant Immigration Rights Suppo|1.29.08 @ 9:49PM|#
Does McCain actually have any redeming qualities? Just asking.
Eric Dondero|1.29.08 @ 9:51PM|#
Let's hope now that the Libertarian Party gets its act together
and nominates a decent "Ed Clark style" candidate for '08. The List
of potential "real worlders" includes: Gary Johnson, Ed Thompson,
Wayne Root, and Bob Barr.
Please Libertarian Party, DO NOT NOMINATE ANY MORE LOSERTARIANS
like Kubby of Phillies.
Nominate someone all libertarians can support.
Wayne Root seems like the best choice for you all. But Barr or the
others will do just fine too.
Plant Immigration RIghts Suppo|1.29.08 @ 9:52PM|#
Dodsworth, I'm not a New Yorker. Other than the smoking thing I don't know much else about him. How bad is he? I'm not disagreing with you. I just honestly don't know.
|1.29.08 @ 9:53PM|#
The Republicans screwed Bob Barr out of his seat.
Maybe he'd be willing to return the favor.
Dodsworth|1.29.08 @ 9:55PM|#
Mr. Nice Guy:
There is plent of other reasons to object to McCain. For one thing,
he's the guy who thinks it is funny to sing Beach Boys songs about
bombing Iraq. He's a mad bomber.
|1.29.08 @ 9:56PM|#
So Dondero, how do you feel about the reports of your guy Rudy
endorsing McCain as early as tomorrow?
You must be near tears right now.
Plant Immigration Rights Suppo|1.29.08 @ 9:58PM|#
Bloomberg raised property taxes big time, hates the second amendment (even more than Rudy) and has brought suit against gun manufacturers in other states. He's a health nazi not just on smoking but trans fats and takes a wimpy Huckabee-like "we broke it" position on iraq.
Eric Dondero|1.29.08 @ 9:59PM|#
Derek, I feel like shit, how do you think I would feel? I note
most of the Giuliani people I've been talking to are leaning
towards Romney now. So, Rudy may just manage to piss off all his
strongest supporters.
McCain is such a squish.
Libertarian Party, PLEASE!! GET YOU'ALL'S ACT TOGETHER AND NOMINATE
WAYNE ROOT FOR PRESIDENT!!
Eric Dondero|1.29.08 @ 10:00PM|#
Go away Phil, your candidate got 3.1% of the vote.
Where's all the Ron Paul talk here? Cat got y'all's tongues?
My guy Rudy got 5 times as many votes as Ron Paul. My other guy
Romney got 11 times as many votes as Paul.
Plant Immigration Rights Suppo|1.29.08 @ 10:01PM|#
On a brighter note it looks like Issue 1 will pass. That will cut property taxes. This is something all libertarians can support.
Dodsworth|1.29.08 @ 10:03PM|#
Eric:
Ron Paul is getting 11 percent in a third party match-up, even
without McCain. He has the LP nomination for the asking though I
prefer Gary Johnson. I, and many others, will fight tooth and claw
to keep a McCain me too hawk like Root from getting the LP
nomination. Two pro-war candidates (Hillary and McCain) are enough
for November.
Plant Immigration RIghts Suppo|1.29.08 @ 10:04PM|#
"Bloomberg raised property taxes big time, hates the second
amendment (even more than Rudy) and has brought suit against gun
manufacturers in other states. He's a health nazi not just on
smoking but trans fats and takes a wimpy Huckabee-like "we broke
it" position on iraq."
So he isn't likely to take many (if any) votes from either
conservatives or libertarians.
By the way the person who wrote what I put in quotes is not me.
:-)
Fluffy|1.29.08 @ 10:06PM|#
Hey Eric -
We can just say that Paul didn't campaign in FL. And that he beat
Giuliani in every state he campaigned in.
I don't want to hear any objections to that argument, considering
Giuliani felt free to claim that all the other states didn't count
since he "wasn't really trying" in those states.
Eric Dondero|1.29.08 @ 10:08PM|#
Fine Dodsworth. Fight Root if you please. Just don't count on
getting any libertarian Republican support for your LP
nominee.
Bob Barr, Wayne Root, Gary Johnson and Ed Thompson all have the
opportunity to get disenchanted GOPers like me, who can't stomach
John McCain. Kubby and Phillies cannot get that support. They'll be
laughed at by mainstream libertarians.
But go ahead and nominate a Losertarian like Steve Kubby if you
want. Just don't expect to get anymore than Badnarik's 350,000
votes.
BakedPenguin|1.29.08 @ 10:08PM|#
Isn't Bob Barr for the drug war?
I don't think so. This
sounds like it could have been written by Sullum.
Eric Dondero|1.29.08 @ 10:09PM|#
Hey Fluffy, what about Wyoming, 'eh?
Your boy Paul was "going to win Wyoming for sure."
Not a single delegate from that State for Ron Paul.
Eric Dondero|1.29.08 @ 10:10PM|#
Dodsworth, Ron Paul said very explicitly in our local newspaper
here in Houston last week that he would not run on the Libertarian
Party ticket, but rather as an Independent.
I tend to think he'll run a combination of Independent and
Constitution Party in some states.
dodsworth|1.29.08 @ 10:11PM|#
Eric:
What? You'd support Barr? Barr is against the war. How could you
vote for him since you apparently believe that Islamic Caliphate
will prevail unless we keep at war in Iraq forever.
Eric Dondero|1.29.08 @ 10:12PM|#
Cesar, don't like Wayne Root, fine. Just pick someone for the LP
with a track record. How about Ed Thompson? Don Gorman? Bob
Barr?
The LP has over 500 elected officials as Town Councilman, Mayors
and such. Any one of them would be better than Losertarians Steve
Kubby or George Phillies, neither of whom has ever been elected dog
catcher.
Please Libertarian Party, pick a mainstream Libertarian this time.
Not a Badnarik/Harry Browne type extremist nutball fringe
Losertarian.
Dodsworth|1.29.08 @ 10:12PM|#
Eric:
Oh....and Johnson (who you support) is also against the war and
supports the man you love to hate, Ron Paul.
Eric Dondero|1.29.08 @ 10:13PM|#
First I've heard Barr is opposed to the War. Which War,
Afghanistan or Iraq, or both? And is he mainstream Anti-War, or
nutball fringe Anti-War?
Big difference.
Eric Dondero|1.29.08 @ 10:14PM|#
Which War does Johnson oppose, Iraq or Afghanistan, or both? And is he opposed to all War and a pacifist like Ron Paul, or is he reasonable on the issue?
BakedPenguin|1.29.08 @ 10:14PM|#
Oops. Missed this part of the article I linked:
However, unlike many of the drugs occupying space on the federal Controlled Substances Act, anabolic steroids pose no real danger to anyone other than the users.
That does makes it sound like he supports laws against drugs.
|1.29.08 @ 10:15PM|#
Bob Barr would be cool if hes changed his position on the drug
war.
And Dondero, Barr is for withdraw last time I heard.
Eric Dondero|1.29.08 @ 10:15PM|#
The Libertarian Party has the opportunity to gain Pro-Defense,
"Fiscally conservative/socially tolerant" Republicans who were
backing Fred Thompson and Rudy Giuliani. The LP could blow it by
nominating an extremist. Or, the LP could win over votes of these
Goldwaterites by nominating a reasonable Libertarian.
Which will it be Libertarian Party?
Phil Wilkins|1.29.08 @ 10:15PM|#
Go away Phil, your candidate got 3.1% of the
vote.
My candidate didn't go from a nationwide first-in-the-poles
position to also-ran in every contest this year including the one
he staked his entire candidacy on.
Ron Paul came from obscurity and raised over 30 Million.
Ron was never going to win the nomination, but he has been wildly
successful in getting his message heard by people of all political
persuasions.
Rudy just fucked everything up. End of story.
|1.29.08 @ 10:16PM|#
Uh, little help?
I don't know if I'm mainstream Anti-War, or nutball fringe
Anti-War.
I don't own any puppets, but I want to prosecute Bush.
|1.29.08 @ 10:18PM|#
I want to prosecute Bush.
Good luck with that. If Nixon didn't end up in jail, no
ex-president will.
Franklin Harris|1.29.08 @ 10:19PM|#
Fine Dodsworth. Fight Root if you please. Just don't count on getting any libertarian Republican support for your LP nominee.
"Libertarian Republicans" aren't exactly a group you can claim to
speak for anymore, Eric.
Kolohe|1.29.08 @ 10:19PM|#
I had also heard that Barr was against the drug war, or at least scaling it back (like decrim of the MJ)
Mr. Chartreuse as Jeff Foxwort|1.29.08 @ 10:19PM|#
If you stare longingly at your signed photo of Cindy Sheehan, you might be nutball fringe Anti-War
|1.29.08 @ 10:22PM|#
I say fringe anti-war is the ANSWER Krewe. You know, not only were you anti-war in 2003, but you actively defended Saddam Hussein and said what a great guy he really was.
Eric Dondero|1.29.08 @ 10:25PM|#
"Libertarians" aren't a group you can claim to speak for
Franklin, since you're a leftwing Anarchist America-hater.
Oh, and as for me speaking for "Libertarian Republicans," my
Libertarian Blog just got 4400 unique visitors the other day. How's
your Blog doing?
SIV|1.29.08 @ 10:26PM|#
The Republicans screwed Bob Barr out of his seat.
Maybe he'd be willing to return the favor.
Wrong again joe
Dems in GA were responsible for the redistricting "screwing Barr
out of his seat". Barr was too much of a pussy to attack Linder in
the Primary so he lost.
If you want to comment on GA politics learn something. I can ignore
your Max Cleland distortions 'cause that is the common
hallucination your Democrat Party kool-aid produces.
Eric Dondero|1.29.08 @ 10:26PM|#
"Ron Paul came from obscurity." Really? A former two-term Presidential candidate. A guy who has been in Congress for 15 years+? You call that "obscure"?
|1.29.08 @ 10:29PM|#
Go Away Eric. Your candidate lost.
Not possible, he just switches before the ship completely sinks. If
Romney decides to cut his losses like a good businessman in the
near future, leaving McCain, Huckster, and his disgruntled former
employer...well, at the very least he'll have to change his blog's
name.
|1.29.08 @ 10:30PM|#
Wow, sucking up to John Linder.
The Democrats were going to redistrict somebody's seat away, but
the Repubicans served up Barr on a silver platter.
Is that what you call someone with Bob Barr's class? A pussy?
Georgia Republicans, such class acts.
|1.29.08 @ 10:32PM|#
Look, SIV, we know you can make up whatever stories you like to
tell yourself about the spotless Republican Party.
Do you think Bob Barr, Former Republican, feels like he got a
square deal from the party?
Roger|1.29.08 @ 10:32PM|#
Dondero Rittberg says: Don Gorman 4 LP Prez
Uh, here in New Hampshire, Don Gorman was destroyed 5:1 by a local
conservative in a special election for the NH House. Plus, I hear
from locals around here that GOP stalwarts are spreading rumours
about his character, that he's a "town drunk" where he comes from.
Stick a fork in Gorman.
Franklin Harris|1.29.08 @ 10:33PM|#
Oh, and as for me speaking for "Libertarian Republicans," my Libertarian Blog just got 4400 unique visitors the other day. How's your Blog doing?
4,400? That's pathetic, actually. And I don't currently have a blog
and have never had an exclusively (or even mostly) political blog.
But, as it happens, I could get 2,000 visits just blogging about a
horror movie.
Besides, as far as visitors go, lots of people visit zoos, too, but
none of them claim the monkeys speak for them.
SIV|1.29.08 @ 10:38PM|#
joe
You are fucking nuts and a moron to boot.
Where di I defend Linder? Barr fucked up.
He chgose to run against Linder while another Republican, Phil
Gingrey won the "safe Democrat" gerrymandered district Barr was too
m,uch of a pussy to compete in. Why are you such a Barr fan?, I
like the guy except for his drug war militancy while in office, He
started the impeachment proceedings against Clinton--well before
Ken Starr was involved.
The Republicans did nothing to "screw him out of his seat", you
fucking made that up.
Tom Walls|1.29.08 @ 10:40PM|#
Eric has a point about the LP running non-candidates.
Third-party candidates need notoriety, some sort of inherent appeal
and hopefully some bucks if they want to make it anywhere. I mean,
Badnarik is a gentleman and a scholar, but he had none of the
aforementioned characteristics.
What was with those faces Rudy was making in Boca?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzt6ZJYss-0
Tom Walls|1.29.08 @ 10:42PM|#
Speaking of town drunks, my dad was the town drunk.
Sometimes that ain't so bad. But New York City?
SIV|1.29.08 @ 10:43PM|#
The GA Dems redistricted arr out of office, in large part,
because of the Clinton Impeachment.
After Gingrich Bob Barr was the national Democrat Party GA
boogeyman.
What is your obsession with revisionist GA political history?
|1.29.08 @ 10:50PM|#
Why are you such a Barr fan?
He demonstrated his superiority to his former colleagues during the
PATRIOT ACT, post-9/11 period.
And whether you want to admit it or not, there were hard feelings
about how the state party treated Bob Barr.
|1.29.08 @ 10:51PM|#
Check out this interview with Mitt Romney on a Florida AM radio
station this morning. The host gets pissed off and tells his
listeners Romney just lost his vote. It's pretty
entertaining.
On the Bob Barr thing... the LP targeted him in that election as part of their
"Incumbent Killer Strategy". I have no idea what effect it
had.
|1.29.08 @ 10:55PM|#
I, for one, am glad Giuliani bit the dust. The guy was a hack
and a dangerous one at that. Giuliani, Clinton, and Huckabee all
scare me.
And as for Mr. Dondero - I for one never supported RP and thought
he never had a chance but to think Romney is a libertarian is proof
that you are delusional - oh and that fact that you think 4400
unique visitors is ... ah ... well ... relevant... haha ... 4400
visitors... thanks for the chuckle.
Bingo|1.29.08 @ 10:58PM|#
McCain has admitted that he doesn't know too much about
economics, yet the economy is the dominant issue to a lot of
voters, even moreso than the war. Why did they vote for him? It's
really confusing.
Also, I have a feeling that if the economy is thrust into the
spotlight (via recession) Hillary is going to wipe the floor with
him.
|1.29.08 @ 10:58PM|#
.. as much as I'd like to see the LP draft Gary Johnson, I'd
much rather see him run for the Senate seat being vacated by Pete
Domenici .. Johnson could do a lot of good from that position
..
.. Hobbit
|1.29.08 @ 11:00PM|#
I'm going to ask you again, SIV: Do you think Bob Barr, Former
Republican, feels like he got a square deal from that angelic
Georgia Republican Party?
And you shouldn't swear so much. You certainly are keyed up.
|1.29.08 @ 11:02PM|#
Bingo,
Because the economy is pretty good if you're a Republican retiree
in Florida. Your personal economy is doing just fine, and you're
pretty isolated from the national economy.
They're probably the 9% of the public who think the economy is
excellent - Republican retirees in Florida.
SIV|1.29.08 @ 11:03PM|#
And whether you want to admit it or not, there were hard
feelings about how the state party treated Bob Barr.
They didn't want him to run against Linder in what was mostly
Linder's pre-gerrymandered district. He didn't want to run in the
new district as it was drawn "safe democrat" but a newcomer
Republican took it anyways.
Barr could have beat Linder if he demagogued the VAT tax scheme
(John Linder wants to eliminate your mortgage interest
deduction)Instead he ran a token losing campaign.
|1.29.08 @ 11:08PM|#
At least Paul got more votes than Giuliani, who is even now
collecting his consolation prize.
I don't think any libertarian could support Romney. Giuliani, of
course, is no libertarian, and he's proven to be an incredibly
lousy campaigner. However, whatever I may think of Giuliani, the
only possible endorsement left for him was McCain.
SIV|1.29.08 @ 11:14PM|#
I'm going to ask you again, SIV: Do you think Bob Barr,
Former Republican, feels like he got a square deal from that
angelic Georgia Republican Party?
I don't know how he feels. He was a lighning rod for National
Democrat criticism and a fundraising boogeyman for his central role
in the Clinton Impeachment. He was perceived, and probably thought
himself, that he was poison among conservative Dems and some
independents.
He wasn't "thrown over" for his strong position on civil
liberties.
|1.29.08 @ 11:18PM|#
So, if Rudy endorses McCain, is he hoping for a cabinet position (as if McCain could win)? Attorney General maybe?
stephen the goldberger|1.29.08 @ 11:20PM|#
So, if Rudy endorses McCain, is he hoping for a cabinet
position (as if McCain could win)? Attorney General
maybe?
I think I just threw up a little
|1.29.08 @ 11:22PM|#
Eric Dondero: I still don't understand all the Dondero hate
(with the extended caps lock Dondero action) even though you call
people pussys. It's like nobody's ever been called a pussy in the
heat of battle. That said, I really don't understand how Romney
advances libertarian ideas more than Ron Paul. As I said in the
other thread, this is a nomination sequence and the more support
Ron Paul gets, the more libertarian ideas get a national spotlight,
even if the candidate deviates from strict libertarian
ideals.
Is there a particular issue, a certain breaking point that makes
supporting Ron Paul as an ideas candidate unappealing? Is it your
position that Mitt Romney is advances libertarian ideas more than
Ron Paul at the nomination level?
|1.29.08 @ 11:25PM|#
"The GA Dems redistricted arr out of office, in large part,
because of the Clinton Impeachment."
SIV-Are not both houses of the GA legislature Rep? How did the Dems
redistrict anyone out of office w/out the GOP GA blessing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_House_of_Representatives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Senate
|1.29.08 @ 11:44PM|#
Yeah, I've been in that position. Still, explaining why I hated X made me realize certain things that I was espousing things that were incompatible with my core beliefs. Perhaps there is still some good left in the libertarian lord vader.
|1.30.08 @ 12:32AM|#
Hah. A month ago Giuliani was the "mainstream libertarian" candidate. Now it's Romney. Who will it be next month, Dondero? Maybe you should have a poll for your 4400 unique viewers.
miche|1.30.08 @ 12:34AM|#
Guys,
I may have to turn in my libertarian membership card. I
had to call the city fire department to my house tonight and
the conversation I had with the doc about it sounded like an Onion
article.
I just hope I don't start talking like other ex-libertarians.
tarran|1.30.08 @ 12:40AM|#
Could American politics get any more depressing?
Pig, The answer is yes.
Imagine a world where Giuliani was the front runner, and Ron Paul
was a backwoods doctor no one had heard of. Imagine a world where
there was no Internet to bypass the MSM.
The old paradigm of public choice theory, that organized special
interests can overcome disorganized and scattered opposition, is
falling by the wayside. Widespread grass-roots efforts are
increasingly easy to spark.
Look at Ron Paul, who is polling much higher than he would be if he
had run this campaign 15 years ago.
Look at Dodd's torpedoing of the FISA bill, which was the result of
a ad-hoc campaign by interested observers (by the Kossacks if I
recall correctly).
Witness the evisceration of SCO in the SCO/IBM lawsuit carried out
by Groklaw, where every press release, every court filing, every
financial report put out by SCO was analyzed mercilessly by
volunteers.
We are entering an era where skullduggery will be increasingly
difficult. Where there are fewer and fewer dark corners to hide
in.
The days of a few gatekeepers controlling everything are almost
over. There will be gatekeepers in the foreseeable future, but
their positions will be a lot less secure.
The next few decades will suck, but I think that the next
century will see a repudiation of much of the social engineering
that dominated 20th century politics in the U.S.
|1.30.08 @ 1:08AM|#
"McCain has admitted that he doesn't know too much about
economics, yet the economy is the dominant issue to a lot of
voters, even moreso than the war. Why did they vote for him? It's
really confusing"
people are not looking for a policy wonk, or a genius. by most
estimations, the two most intelligent presidents in recent memory:
carter and nixon.
smart =/= good president.
you don't need to know a lot about economics to get those people
who are concerned about the economy to vote for you. as long as
your basic philosophy is in line with a voter, he trusts you to
appoint the econ nerds to make policy.
also note that bush has a friggin' harvard MBA. doesn't mean he's
been particularly great for the economy.
|1.30.08 @ 1:10AM|#
"There is plent of other reasons to object to McCain. For one
thing, he's the guy who thinks it is funny to sing Beach Boys songs
about bombing Iraq. "
it was Iran not Iraq.
ba ba ba ba bomb iraq doesn't work.
ba ba ba ba bomb iran, otoh is catchy and i can dance to it. i give
it a 9!
Brandybuck|1.30.08 @ 1:34AM|#
I think Eric Dondero Rittberg really did get thrown into a Mexican prison last year, and that all these posts are being done by a pimply fourteen year old in his parent's basement. I wonder if I call that number he keeps giving out, his mom will answer?
Kevin Carson|1.30.08 @ 1:38AM|#
A "mainstream libertarian" like Giuliani? If the only kind of "libertarian" who can win is the Unitary Executive/Gitmo/Abner Louima kind, then what's the fucking point? Might as well randomly pick any other of the "libertarian" candidates, like Hillary, Obama, or McCain. Same difference.
Ventifact|1.30.08 @ 2:45AM|#
Giuliani could become the next Cheney. You know, a VP who's
there because he makes us feel like he's personally running around
giving the boot to the terr'is's. (And if he doesn't give you that
impression he probably creeps you out.) He even has the same
roundish body shape.
McCain / Giuliani '08 would be a really defense-focused ticket, and
that barely worked last time around. Additionally, it would really
lack appeal to the base, but on the other hand it might present an
interesting option for moderates who don't like Clinton or Obama
but would be turned off by the other, more traditionally
conservative, Repub candidates.
Lost_In_Translation|1.30.08 @ 10:07AM|#
Ventifact,
I'm already fading away from the straight talk express.
McCain/Giuliani would probably send straight to "write-in"
town.
dhex|1.30.08 @ 10:18AM|#
tarran: i really hope you're right.
it is terribly gratifying to see mr. 9/11 go down in flames.
uh, you know what i mean.
|1.30.08 @ 12:08PM|#
"before they have babies they should get married"
Huh?
This is bad advice how?
Look I am in no mood for government forcing marriage on pregnant
women...but the fact remains people raised by two parents rather
then one fair far better in the world then those raised by one.
|1.30.08 @ 1:42PM|#
"Look I am in no mood for government forcing marriage on
pregnant women...but the fact remains people raised by two parents
rather then one fair far better in the world then those raised by
one."
I agree with you, but I'm curious, does this extend to homo
parents?
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