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So... Who Won the Louisiana GOP Caucus?
I just
spoke to Andrew Axom, the field director for Ron Paul 2008 in
Louisiana, to figure out how they did in yesterday's caucuses.
The answer? "Honestly, we do not know yet."
Here is how National Review's detail-driven political reporter David Freddoso explained it:
Last night, something like 20,000 Republicans in Louisiana picked the delegates to their state convention, who will select half of the state's delegates to the national convention (or, as Jim correctly points out, they may select nearly all of them).
The official results are not in yet, but I'm told that McCain beat all of the other candidates. The conservative "uncommitted" effort — designed to influence the party platform — might have come out ahead of everyone...
Ron Paul finished second. His supporters reportedly mobbed the 11 polling places, but many of them could not participate because they were not registered Republicans. They were required to cast provisional ballots, many of which will not count. (The provisional ballots are part of the reason for the delay in tallying the results.)
Axom confirmed all of this and explained that the "Uncommitted" slate was called the "Pro-Life, Pro-Family" slate. Until yesterday there was a good organization for Fred Thompson. When Fred moseyed off the stage, his canny organizers backed the PLPF slate and handed out ballots like the one pictured above, encouraging people to "win one for the Gipper" by voting for now-homeless delegates. "It was a very slick move on their part," Axom said.
A sizable of number of Paul voters were not registered Republicans until recently (some may not have re-registered at all), so they didn't show up on the rolls and had to cast provisional ballots. In all but two districts (where there aren't enough provisional ballots to affect the outcome) the party is counting them to see if they 1)were cast by registered Republicans and 2)add up to a win.
Final results, when they're available, will be at the LA GOP's website. We're looking at a majority of Republicans in one of the strongest GOP states (post-Katrina) who voted for either Ron Paul or a man who died in 2004.
svf|1.23.08 @ 12:04PM|#
Louisiana wins the "biggest clusterfuck caucus of all time" award hands down...
|1.23.08 @ 12:06PM|#
Don't tell me the pricks found another way to keep Ron Paul from winning. You know people, it's becoming the pricks against WE THE PEOPLE - we need to find a way to fight back. Go Ron Paul - ALL THE WAY.
|1.23.08 @ 12:07PM|#
On DailyPaul there are a few Louisiana caucus goers looking for an attorney to get a restraining order against the LA GOP to prevent them from destroying the provisional ballots. It appears the LA GOP is trying to marginalize Ron Paul as it was apparent his supporters came out in overwhelming force. Based on reports Ron Paul will easily win this caucus, but probably won't because the LA GOP does not respect democracy. It is becoming increasingly clear that the establishment GOP only likes to use military force abroad when it comes to promoting democracy, but are happy to suppress it here at home.
a Duoist|1.23.08 @ 12:07PM|#
Louisiana politics has always led the nation in the erratic and irrational.
DavidS|1.23.08 @ 12:20PM|#
can someone try explaining this again?
Er, Ron Paul came third to uncommitted and McCain?
\'member the Kingfish?|1.23.08 @ 12:20PM|#
"Corrupted by wealth and power, your government is like a
restaurant with only one dish. They've got a set of Republican
waiters on one side and a set of Democratic waiters on the other
side. But no matter which set of waiters brings you the dish, the
legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street
kitchen."
~Huey Long (Louisiana boy from way back)
|1.23.08 @ 12:21PM|#
I knew the dead could vote in primaries, apparently in some places they can also win!
Joan|1.23.08 @ 12:22PM|#
Check this out and get it everywhere
www.judicialwatch.org "10 MOST CORRUPT POLITICIANS IN 2007" 4 of
the 10 are
Hillary Clinton
Rudy Giuliani
Mike Huckabee
Barack Obama
|1.23.08 @ 12:24PM|#
LA politics convoluted? No way! It is good to hear RP supporters
came out in force even if they don't end up with the #1.
Why can't theses states just have a civilized primary vote? These
caucuses are all F'ed up in one way or another. So in this case the
caucuses determine half the delegates and then the convention the
other half?
|1.23.08 @ 12:25PM|#
I can see that corruption could be a factor if any evidence turns up (but there is absolutly no facts so far that I can see that justifies the accusation). At first blush it looks like people showed up who were not registered as Republicans or who hadn't re-registered by the deadline, and they were treated per the pre-existing rules.
Brandybuck|1.23.08 @ 12:30PM|#
Again we see some Ron Paul supporters who didn't bother to
register Republican. Here in my local area, I have reminded and
reminded and reminded everyone to register as Republican. Yet just
last week I found a precinct captain (precinct captain!) who did
not know he had to register Republican. I fully expect on primary
day to see many RP supporters surprised to discover they cannot
vote on the GOP ballot. Sigh.
No John, it is not a conspiracy, it is stupidity. The stupidity of
those refuse to register in the party their candidate is running
in. It doesn't matter how many Ron Paul supporters show up, if they
aren't registered Republican they cannot vote in a Republican
primary!
|1.23.08 @ 12:32PM|#
This is an example of why Ron Paul fans holding out hope for a
brokered convention are engaging in wishful thinking. If Ron Paul
does not win a majority of the delegates before the convention, all
of the other candidates will band together to defeat him.
Unless Ron Paul starts racking up some serious delegate counts,
enough to be a major player at the convention, he should start his
third party candidacy as quickly as possible after February
5th.
It's funny that Ron Paul has been called a "fringe" candidate and
the "longest of long shots" all along, yet his supporters are
almost overwhelming the local GOP establishment across the country.
The primaries and caucuses are the weak link in the Establishment's
control of the political process, because turnout is so low and so
many people are apathetic.
It's only too bad that Ron Paul is already 72, and will likely be
too old to run again in 2012. Another 4 years of organizing and
learning the various intricate rules could make all the
difference.
xtrabiggg|1.23.08 @ 12:36PM|#
If we had international observes looking at our election process
in the U.S., they would probably point to the Kenyan and Russian
elections as being more open and fair. How can we be supposedly
'Fighting to spread Democracy' around the world, when the world can
see on the fornt pages of their newspapers what a corrupt
laughingstock most of our elections have become. And I'm not even
beginning to talk about the Diebold (or Premier or whatever the
electioneers are calling themselves this week) fiasco in using
hackable data cards to tally votes! And what in the world is up
with using PRIVATE COMPANIES (some owned by foreign interests!) to
COUNT THE VOTES?!?!?! I thought our county clerks were trustworthy
and fair enough. But maybe that's the problem- the parties don't
want 'trustworthy' and 'fair'- they want the results tro match
thier pre-ordained picks!
The Founding Fathers may stop spinning in their graves and just
launch themselves zombie-like on a clueless electorate to point out
how far America has strayed from it's Constitution and it's
original purpose and ideals. How does this sound: Paper ballots,
open and fair counting of those ballots, and only reporting the
results when they have been verified as fair and accurate? Now the
networks will scream and howl about 'Delays', but what's more
important- getting the results EARLY, or getting the results
RIGHT?
xtrabiggg
+++++++++++++++++++++++++==
|1.23.08 @ 12:37PM|#
So in this case the caucuses determine half the delegates
and then the convention the other half?
If only it were that simple. Louisiana gets 47 national convention
delegates. 3 are party officers. The other 44 are determined at the
state convention on 2/16, where the delegates elected last night
vote.
But wait, there's more. Louisiana ALSO has a primary on 2/9. IF
someone wins that primary with 50% or more of the vote, then 20 of
the 44 national convention delegates elected at the state
convention are legally bound to vote for the primary winner.
If no one wins 50% of the vote, all 44 are officially uncommitted,
but will naturally vote for whichever candidate they have already
decided on.
|1.23.08 @ 12:37PM|#
it would be embarrassing for the LA GOP to be associated with a
conspiratorial racist like Paul and his record.
If the state gives one candidate 50% of the vote when they vote on
Feb 9th?, this is irrelevant anyway. And that is possible if the
field narrows down a good bit.
|1.23.08 @ 12:38PM|#
they already have the David Duke taint, of course he's been out
campaiging for Paul and has given advice on his website for
him.
puke
|1.23.08 @ 12:45PM|#
Out of twenty thousand votes cast only 650 were provisional. These probally will not get counted. But even without them it seems that Ron Paul beet all the other candidates. This pro life/pro family ticket is not a candidate and should not be treated as one. The word isn't in yet on how this will all play out. But one thing is for sure, this is just more of the same old dirty politics we are used to from the GOP. Shame on this group for putting together this fussion ticket and shame on the voters who are attempting to use this scam to marginalize Ron Paul.
DavidS|1.23.08 @ 12:46PM|#
If we had international observes looking at our election
process in the U.S., they would probably point to the Kenyan and
Russian elections as being more open and fair.
You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
|1.23.08 @ 12:48PM|#
I think that Dr. Paul would support the myriad of different caucus and primary rules that each state has as an example of states' rights. Remember, each state party has it's own rules on how it apportions its delegates to the national convention. We do not need a federal law saying how each state party is to conduct its internal affairs. What we do need is to become active members of the party and know the rules before we play the game. Nobody said getting Dr. Paul elected was going to be easy!
|1.23.08 @ 12:48PM|#
Shouldn't tReason be conspiring on more "ZOMFG Ron Paul is teh racists!" smear jobs with its neoliberal and neoconservative warmongering beltway buddies?
|1.23.08 @ 12:52PM|#
xtrabiggg wrote, "Now the networks will scream and howl about
'Delays', but what's more important- getting the results EARLY, or
getting the results RIGHT?"
You do understand that the purpose of the election is not actually
to select the winner, but to invest the people in the outcome, so
that they will rally (some reluctantly) behind the next leader...?
Don't you?
The constitution doesn't even provide for direct election of the
President. This was an "aftermarket add-on," courtesy of the 50
state legislatures. Originally, the States (through the electors
named by their reppective legislatures) were to select the
President. This made sense, as part of the package of
checks-and-balances that was designed to keep the Federal
government as servant of and facilitator between the several
States. Eventually, however, the people "demanded" the right to
vote for the President, and the States obliged, putting into law
schemes by which popular vote could determine the selection and/or
behavior of Presidential (and later, Vice Presidential)
electors.
Originally, the people were to vote directly only for House
representatives (with the State governments selecting Senators --
changed to direct popular vote by the 17th amendment). The
continuing push to have the people vote directly for President not
only alters the balance of power between the governmental branches,
it threatens to tip it over completely. The last thing we need is
to legitimize the "unitary executive" by electing the President
through direct popular vote.
|1.23.08 @ 12:53PM|#
You guys accusing Ron Paul of being racist, the chairman of the
Austin NAACP came out in his defense. Ron Paul is the only
candidate who speaks out against our unfair "War on Drugs" which
unfairly floods our jails with minorities. His congressional voting
record shows he's not a racist or a bigot.
Secondly, I do find it amusing that it took all the other GOP
candidates to band together to beat him. I think a little more
support and Ron Paul's message of individual liberty and small
government will be unstopable.
From The Keystrokes of John Q.|1.23.08 @ 12:56PM|#
Brandybuck is right. If I had a dollar for every unaffiliated voter that wanted to vote in the Colorado Caucus but didn't register as a Republican. Yes the individuals themselves have no one else to blame. However in Colorado the Campaign didn't touch ground till early december. That was a few weeks before the deadline to change your affiliation. Reality is they should have gotten started sooner. Now the organization is really coming together but we have lost a huge number of potential caucus voters and delegates!
|1.23.08 @ 12:57PM|#
MLK,
Conspiratorial racist? You talking about RON? You DO only get your
news from the MSM. That's why you're ill-informed and don't make
ANY sense.. tell me where Ron said it!! Youre a jackass - he has
already addressed this on his website.
DavidS|1.23.08 @ 12:57PM|#
I think that Dr. Paul would support the myriad of different
caucus and primary rules that each state has as an example of
states' rights.
Look we all know that Doktor Paul couldn't give a flying fuck about
anything as long as the states get to decide...
...but that doesn't stop the rest of us from thinking that Lousiana
should come up with something better than its current system.
|1.23.08 @ 12:58PM|#
I too have friends who are all for Dr. Paul's positions but are
afraid of registering republican because republicans are
'evil'.
Too much interstate commerce, if you ask me.
JL|1.23.08 @ 12:58PM|#
Another 4 years of organizing and learning the various
intricate rules could make all the difference.
Ron Paul may be old, but the vast majority of his supporters are
young, and his message is timeless. This has opened the doors for
similar candidates to run in the future. Let's hope people stay
committed to these principles.
|1.23.08 @ 1:02PM|#
Ron Paul devotees: You're cute. And sad. The good Dr. has put up a nice fight, but your continued hope is evidence of delusion. You are all a good example of how democratic politics, something libertarians are usually smart enough to disdain, warps minds and wastes money and energy. It's a sad sight to see people I had thought reasonably mature become deranged by politics like so many Kos Kids and Dittoheads.
Quiet_Desperation|1.23.08 @ 1:08PM|#
Some dark horse candidate named "Katrina" won. Well that's what I heard.
|1.23.08 @ 1:18PM|#
Ron Paul devotees: You're cute. And sad. The good Dr. has
put up a nice fight, but your continued hope is evidence of
delusion.
Maybe, maybe not... One thing's for sure, Paul is
recovering nicely in the polls, after his political near-death
experience over the newsletters.
And he seems to have garnered some
new friends, over on the right, in
compensation for the sunshine
patriots and summer soldiers who were obviously looking for an
opportunity to ditch him right from jump street...
|1.23.08 @ 1:23PM|#
Ron Paul continues to be the candidate of choice for those
skilled in Critical Thinking and the ability to think for
themselves. His well thought out, logical solutions to the root
causes of the most pressing issues facing our country today are a
breath of fresh air compared to all the other candidates.
Ron Paul can and SHOULD win this election!!
|1.23.08 @ 1:38PM|#
Best part:
"When Fred [Thompson]moseyed off the stage, his canny organizers
backed the PLPF slate and handed out ballots like the one pictured
above, encouraging people to "win one for the Gipper" by voting for
now-homeless delegates. "It was a very slick move on their part,"
Axom said."
So, Fred Thompson's campaign was better organized after he dropped
out of the race than before? Priceless.
cgee|1.23.08 @ 1:38PM|#
This is one of the few things I like about NJ politics. When
registering to vote in NJ, you are not asked for a party
affiliation. When you vote in your first primary following
registration, only then must you register for a party.
So as an unaffiliated registered NJ voter, I will happily vote Ron
Paul in my state's Republican primary election on Feb 5th. True,
that means I will be a registered Republican for the first time
ever, but in life, some sacrifices must be made.
Jonathan Grubbs|1.23.08 @ 1:39PM|#
When you view the source of this page:
http://www.gatortesting.net/prolifeprofamily/
You will find this:
Here is the contact information for GatorWorks:
GatorWorks Web Design, L.L.C.
12232 Industriplex Blvd. Suite 1
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70809
Phone:
office: 225-709-6153
toll free: 866-396-7596
Fax
225-612-6411
|1.23.08 @ 1:53PM|#
The results are coming in, doesn't look like Paul did well after all. He had a lot of folks here, but most were from out of state or not registered republicans. Right now, uncommitted first, McCain second, Romney third.
Rob D.|1.23.08 @ 2:09PM|#
From Ballot Acces News...
http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/01/23/louisiana-republican-caucus/
Louisiana Republican Caucus
January 23rd, 2008
"Although Louisiana holds a presidential primary on February 9, the
Republican Party chooses its delegates to the national convention
with a two-step caucus/convention system. The first round was held
on February 22, when approximately 10,000 Louisiana Republicans
turned out to vote in eleven different cities for delegate to the
state convention. Each U.S. House district chose 15
delegates.
It appears that Ron Paul supporters outnumbered the supporters of
any of his opponents. But since this was predicted, the supporters
of Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, and Mitt Romney,
cooperated to set up a "fusion" slate of unpledged candidates for
Delegate. The "fusion" slate, labeled the "Pro-Life/Pro-Family"
slate, beat the Ron Paul slate in each of the 7 U.S. House
districts. Formally, the "fusion" slate billed itself as an
"uncommitted" slate, and no one really knows how many supporters of
each presidential candidate are on the fusion slate, except the
campaigns themselves."
|1.23.08 @ 2:15PM|#
I think Ron Paul supporters were overly optimistic about the results last night, because so many pro-Paul alternate delegates were elected. Unfortunately, the alternate delegates only get to vote if the regular delegates can't attend.
Ramo 4 Congress|1.23.08 @ 2:17PM|#
g8rVictor
I don't even think one has to argue "states' rights" when it comes
to caucus and primary rules but only freedom of association. The
Supreme Court decided that the state cannot compel a political
party to have an open caucus or primary because it would violate
their freedom of association. California
Democratic Party v. Jones
|1.23.08 @ 2:18PM|#
McCain is the real racist. John McCain was openly racist in the
SC debate, read it here:
John McCain's
racism during SC debate
Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the
truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between"
Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with
the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters,
banning books like
America Deceived (book) from Amazon, stealing private lands
(Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to
investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.
Ryan|1.23.08 @ 2:22PM|#
"I think that Dr. Paul would support the myriad of different
caucus and primary rules that each state has as an example of
states' rights."
How so? Last I checked, internal party politics was left to
individuals' freedom of association, not to the states.
|1.23.08 @ 2:31PM|#
I actually think it's fantastic if "None of the Above" won. I vote for that guy all the time.
|1.23.08 @ 2:32PM|#
These so-called elections are beyond a joke. Its absolutely
pathetic. There is no way people in the US should stand for this no
matter who you vote for. A laughable circus.
I thought we had it bad in the UK but you guys are just having the
piss ripped.
Things have gotta change!
Colin|1.23.08 @ 2:35PM|#
I heard that CFR agents were in Louisiana last night -- in coordination with David Rockefeller and sundry cosmopolitan banking interests -- to keep down the Paul vote.
|1.23.08 @ 2:40PM|#
It appears that Ron Paul supporters outnumbered the supporters of
any of his opponents. But since this was predicted, the supporters
of Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, and Mitt Romney,
cooperated to set up a "fusion" slate of unpledged candidates for
Delegate. The "fusion" slate, labeled the "Pro-Life/Pro-Family"
slate, beat the Ron Paul slate in each of the 7 U.S. House
districts.
Before we get carried away with crying about the lousy basterts who
stole the LA caucus, think for a minute about the ramifications.
What is the admission here? That they have to create a goddam
team to beat Paul? Do you know how many ways from
Sunday I could put a positive spin on that if I were running the
Paul campaign?
|1.23.08 @ 2:44PM|#
Ron Paul on MSNBC at 2:46 today. I can't watch it here at work, so if anyone does please post the gist of his appearance.
|1.23.08 @ 2:46PM|#
I predict that when Kent Snyder isn't looking, the Catoites within the Paul campaign staff will try to get the candidate to sign a statement testifying to how 'clean and fair' the Louisiana caucus process was. Oh, and Rockwell wrote those newsletters, and pay no attention to irregularities in the NH primary recount . . . .
A. Magnus|1.23.08 @ 2:49PM|#
Funny how all the global socialist candidates had to band together to keep the real limited government, anti-socialist candidate down. If the CFR's pogue boys have to unite to fight Ron Paul, it only shows how desperate they're becoming.
|1.23.08 @ 2:54PM|#
My wife and I were two in the 4th district to have to cast a provisional ballot although we had our voter registration cards and ID. The cutoff date for registering Republican to be able to vote in the caucus was Nov. 30. Our registration cards clearly showed Nov. 26th as our registration date. We were told we were not on the list of eligable voters as the "list" were printed before Nov. 26th. Sounds very fishy to me.
|1.23.08 @ 3:00PM|#
Ray Anderson--
From the Ron Paul website:
Register to Vote by: January 9, 2008
The OFFICIAL LOUISIANA REPUBLICAN RULES STATE: "Only Registered
Republican Voters as of January 9th, 2008 shall be eligible to
participate, and vote, in the Louisiana Republican Presidential
Preference Primary held on February 9th 2008 ".
You should be eligible with room to spare.
|1.23.08 @ 3:02PM|#
Wait, that wasn't yesterday's event. Freakin' cajun politics! Giving Florida a run for the money!
|1.23.08 @ 3:04PM|#
GOP - fascists united against Ron Paul
DNC - commies united against Ron Paul
MSM - state run media united against Ron Paul
We the People - United For Ron Paul
|1.23.08 @ 3:04PM|#
Paul is a conspiracy theories, both now and in the past. Did you guys not see the Solicitation letter??? and what Reason Blog proved he was lying about, and now it comes out that he maded up to $1 Million off those newsletters AND paid out to his WIFE and DAUGHTER!!!
|1.23.08 @ 3:06PM|#
Al-Qaeda, united for Ron Paul
Hugo Chavez, United for Ron Paul
DinnerJacket, United for Ron Paul
Stormfront, United for Ron Paul
David Duke, United for Ron Paul
|1.23.08 @ 3:07PM|#
actually, there are COMMIES who SUPPORT Ron Paul for his foreign Policy, which empowers them. see the CPUSA
Kolohe|1.23.08 @ 3:18PM|#
And to think, I just saw the Lewis Black special last night where he specifically recommended zombie Reagan in 2008.
|1.23.08 @ 3:26PM|#
MLK that posts here is a known liar. He goes around to every website related to Ron Paul and posts these idiotic lies. Most likely a neo-con shill being paid by the post counts he racks up.
DP|1.23.08 @ 3:28PM|#
I registered republican on GOP.com in November before the Louisiana Nov. 20 deadline... I had to vote provisionally last night because I was not on the roll. A person in front of me in the provisional ballot line also registered in Sept. It was very unclear at the time (and still is!) if our votes would count at all. We are both Paul supporters... sucks to think our voices might get silenced. I did what I had to do... the LA GOP is to blame for this confusion.
|1.23.08 @ 3:31PM|#
Per the 2004 Census Bureau statistics there are 2.4 million registered voters in LA. Assuming that 50% are registered Republican, there was a 0.8% turnout for the caucus.
|1.23.08 @ 3:36PM|#
So it is conspircy, because you are not on the voter rolls? That
is why they are going back through and checking with the master
rolls from each individual parish. And if you are going to comment
get you facts straight, this was a CAUCUS not Primary, for the
caucus you had to be registerd for the 26 of Nov where as the
primary it is the 9th of January.
Two different things, and what is the complaint that even if you
could not follow rules we should just let anyone who wants to vote
regardless of party or state you live in. I was also in the 4th and
severl groups of people who came from Texas to vote, and guess what
they did cast a provisional. Is that fair? Or is that too a
conspircy.
svf|1.23.08 @ 3:43PM|#
we should just let anyone who wants to vote regardless of
party or state you live in.
now you're talking! viva la rEVOLution!
|1.23.08 @ 3:46PM|#
Just goes to show how far out there you guys are,
viva la main stream REPUBLICANS
Enn from Estonia|1.23.08 @ 3:46PM|#
MLK is trying to be Martin Luther - but he fails - he is fake
and has corrupt thinking.
Such a human cannot call himself a human being, rather an
animal...
Do not pay attention to the neo-conservative animals...
In Europe they have lied to the people and in many countries real
conservatives want to turn country out of EU.
We have nothing good in those United States of Europe....
Except the travel without borders, but mafia people also travel
without passport control and drugs as well do the same...
|1.23.08 @ 3:50PM|#
This will blow up in the face of the Louisiana GOP. Generally,
no one cares about the Louisiana Caucus. However, if it can be
shown that "the powers that be" colluded to prevent a Ron Paul win,
well, that's news.
I suspect an organized effort to subvert the democratic process
will garner more publicity and support than Ron Paul would have
received had he won the caucus outright. Fox News tried to exclude
Ron Paul from a debate, and it's still wiping the egg of its face.
This is an actual caucus. People all over the country are going to
latch on to this as proof of the oft mentioned "conspiracy" to
exclude Ron Paul. Thanks Louisiana GOP, you may as well have made a
Ron Paul commercial.
|1.23.08 @ 3:51PM|#
Luskin's article brought up an interesting thought. How would
the anti-war vote split if the race is
McCain-Clinton-Paul-McKinney?
Also, nice to see the America Deceived spammer is back.
xtrabiggg|1.23.08 @ 3:56PM|#
David S. Wrote in response to my post:
"If we had international observes looking at our election process
in the U.S., they would probably point to the Kenyan and Russian
elections as being more open and fair.
You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?"
----------------------------------------------
After Working in and around politics and campaigns for over 30
years, I would say, yes, I do. Of course the Kenya and Russia
remarks were Hyperbole, but sarcasm is lost on those who have no
sensibilities other than the literal and no capacity for dark
humor!
How can ANYONE look at the convoluted and arcane methods we use to
choose a President, let alone the way the votes are supposedly
counted, and not be troubled? Only the naiive and mind-dulled
kool-aid drinking sheeple would be assured of an accurate outcome
with the way elections are run in this country. We may be the
greatest country in the world, but we are FAR from perfect. A look
at our electoral process would bear that fact out clearly.
xtrabiggg
+++++++++++++++++++
|1.23.08 @ 4:06PM|#
"We may be the greatest country in the world"
And if there's one thing I learned in the last GOP debate, it's the
importance of American Greatness, and how McHuckaRomniani is going
to restore it!
|1.23.08 @ 4:12PM|#
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|1.23.08 @ 4:16PM|#
I registered Republican but I didn't need to. I live in Washington where you are not required to register with a certain party to vote in the Primary.
Article 2 / Section 1|1.23.08 @ 4:22PM|#
Reagan/Ledger 2008!!!
Ledger was born in Australia.
However, zombie Ledger could possible be considered an NYC
native?
|1.23.08 @ 4:23PM|#
I am a minority a Native American and I find the good Dr. not to be a raciest only a fool would think someone who preaches liberty is a raciest. Dr. Paul wants to do away with the slave system of the IRS and Fed Reserve to not only to put money in your pocket but money that is worth something
DavidS|1.23.08 @ 4:35PM|#
David S. Wrote in response to my post:
"If we had international observes looking at our election process
in the U.S., they would probably point to the Kenyan and Russian
elections as being more open and fair.
You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?"
----------------------------------------------
After Working in and around politics and campaigns for over 30
years, I would say, yes, I do. Of course the Kenya and Russia
remarks were Hyperbole, but sarcasm is lost on those who have no
sensibilities other than the literal and no capacity for dark
humor!
How can ANYONE look at the convoluted and arcane methods we use to
choose a President, let alone the way the votes are supposedly
counted, and not be troubled?
OK.
First with the Kenya point.
I make loans to Kenyan entrepreneurs through the website Kiva.
Here's the report I had on my loan portfolio following the recent
election:
We have recently completed auditing the riot's impact on our clients and as of yesterday about 4,900 of our clients had been badly affected by the riots:
-- About 1,532 of our clients were displaced and both their homes and business premises burnt down. This population is currently housed in church compounds and police stations.
-- Another 2,479 clients had their business premises burnt down or looted leaving them with no source of income at all.
-- 833 clients had their homes looted or burnt down and about 56 clients are missing and feared dead or critically injured.
That's why I say 'you don't have an idea what you're talking
about'. But sorry for being literal and humorless.
On the 'arcane and convoluted methods' for electing a President - I
don't like the Caucus system either.
But the Presidential election hasn't even started yet. At the
moment, all Paul is trying to do is to get a political party to
adopt him as a candidate.
So really - calm the fuck down and get a sense of proportion.
|1.23.08 @ 4:44PM|#
The GOP Ronald Reagan bootlickers are actively preventing the
only real conservative in the GOP from winning the nomination. The
GOP is scared because Ron Paul has so much grass roots support
which they can't control.
Ronald Reagan's Small Government Record;
--Allowed government expenditures to grow and just talked about
smaller government.
--Foreign adventures in Grenada, Central America, Lebanon.
Suppported Iran-CONTRA deals.
--Fueled an arms race that helped to break the USSR by outspending
it, but left a Military Industrial Complex so large that we are
still building and paying for Cold War weapons such as; nuclear
subs, nuclear missiles, cruise missiles, stealth aircraft, main
battle tanks.....
--Invigorated the War on Some Drugs and mandated invasive drug
testing for all federal contracts and encouraged private employers
to join the War on Some Drugs by implementing the same
testing.
Ron Paul does not match the pseudo-conservative Ronald Reagan
because he would not sit idly by and let our federal government
grow like Reagan did. Reagan talked a good game, that's the extent
of his brand of conservatism.
wes|1.23.08 @ 5:10PM|#
Stevo Darkly- You are so right. Why don't you see any candidates preaching doggystyle or reverse cowgirl? I mean, I'm an american, and I like that too.
|1.23.08 @ 5:37PM|#
We're looking at a majority of Republicans in one of the
strongest GOP states (post-Katrina) who voted for either Ron Paul
or a man who died in 2004.
I move we take a page out of the DPRK songbook and appoint Ronald
Reagan "eternal president."
(I'd pay to lay flowers at a humongous gold-plated statue of the
Gipper on the DC Mall, wouldn't you? ;) )
|1.23.08 @ 5:37PM|#
Of course Ron Paul supporters are going to complain that there was a conspiracy. That's because there was a conspiracy. It was orchestrated and it was deceptive. It was a conspiracy.
|1.23.08 @ 6:03PM|#
Ron Paul gets screwed all the time. What a shame. Ron Paul gets
censored by the media all the time. Blackballed, called a racist
when he clearly is not. He is the only candidate that wants to fix
the thiefs who take our money. ( I.R.S. and The Federal Reserve )
Sad thing is, the majority of voters don't even know how the
federal reserve operates, how our money system even works. (IT
DOESN'T WORK!) We are falling in debt especially because of this
stupid war in the middle east. My friends in the military are GLAD
when they come home, and some were lucky enough to stay home.
People need to take a few minutes and actually learn about the
candidate the government doesn't want you to vote for. WHY? Because
he is for the people, Ron Paul is for you, me, EVERYBODY in the
United States. Then you get these people who think he said the
civil war was nonsense, he didn't mean it in the way as if Slavery
Shouldn't have had a war over, he meant there could of been talks
and such to resolve the issues before going to battle. Remember "We
The People..."? America truely is "We The Sheeple..." sad but
turning out to be true.
It's time to wake up. Take a little of your time and actually learn
about Ron Paul.
Race has nothing to do with Liberty.
We are all Americans, I'm sure you believe in Liberty, you should!
Ron Paul believes in Liberty. You know, Ask yourself this, If We
Americans are in such huge debt, what is it now, Over 6 trillion
dollars?! Ask yourself this, WHO DO WE OWE? Ever looked up that
info? Ron Paul knows what should be done, No IRS, NO FEDERAL
RESERVE! The Feds (federal reserve) lend the United States
government only the money asked for, do they print the money to go
out in cerculation to pay for the interest that the feds charge our
government for the loan? Oh...no? Then who pays the interest off?
You and I folks, that's right, and we can never pay it off, it only
grows more in debt. Return to a gold/silver standard like Ron Paul
wants to do, and you watch how our Dollar increases in Value. Did
you know when the US Dollar was backed by gold that a dollar was
worth a dollar? wow. Duh right? Take that same amount of gold from
back then, just a dollars worth, and see how much that dollars
worth of gold from back then would be right now... The dollar now
is about 4 cents out of a dollar compared to what it used to be
worth. Sad... The Federal Reserve controls us all, kinda like
slaves, they control the money, then that means they control the
people. Do some research, the FEDS don't want Ron Paul, The
Government doesn't want Ron Paul, The CFR (Counsel on Foreign
Relations) doesn't want Ron Paul, why? Because it's bad for them,
they don't get there cut, they don't get OUR MONEY WE SHOULD BE
KEEPING SINCE WE WORK HARD (at least I know I work hard) FOR IT. Do
some research, The United States Government is screwing us over,
keeping us like sheep. What happen to Freedom? The Constitution?
It's slowly going away...
Learn if you care.
http://www.RonPaulLibrary.org
-NicK
highnumber|1.23.08 @ 6:14PM|#
We are all Americans, I'm sure you believe in Liberty, you
should! [...] Did you know when the US Dollar was backed by gold
that a dollar was worth a dollar? wow. Duh right?
Wow! You've given me an awful lot to think about.
Brett|1.23.08 @ 6:30PM|#
Why don't they just nominate Nancy Reagan and have done with it. Hell if they get desperate at a brokered convention I wouldn't bet against it...
|1.23.08 @ 6:51PM|#
Groiner wrote regarding Ron Paul supporters that their "hope is
evidence of delusion." It is a dark hour when citzens are torn down
and labeled by other citizens for having hope.
Groiner, you will never understand liberty nor will you see it
without hope. Fight on Ron Paul... Your ideas are bulletproof. That
is what the powers that be really fear. They fear the idea of an
educated populace. Hence the Deparment of Education (Read The
Deliberate Dumbing Down of America). They fear those that are
different when it is our differences that make us great. Each is an
individual. Our rights are not granted to us, they are inalienable!
Read your constitution and the first ten amendments. Then go read
the Patriot Act and figure out how to reconcile the two. When you
can't then figure out which one you want to keep. We already have
homeland security, it's the second amendment. While you are at it
read the John Warner Defence Act and tell me how great and free
America is. Then read the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown
Terrorism Act and tell me how Obama is going to change things. We
need to remember what liberty was. Without hope we will never have
change. Wake up people, RP represents a huge step in the right
direction. He doesn't represent the entire journey but just one
step. You call me delusional but it's just because you are stuck
"inside the box". But, that is your box, it's not for me or mine.
Hope, to you, the mordern sign of mental illness. F*ck, you are
totally brainwashed. Turn off your TV. Open a book. Talk to your
neighbor. Don't abandon hope and don't let labels stick to you.
Hope for the future of your children.
For Groiner: The Philosophy of Liberty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I
Peace
some dude|1.23.08 @ 7:22PM|#
More news from lagop.com.
Second, candidates for delegate in Louisiana historically have run on one or another slate, but not on multiple slates. This year, however, many candidates ran on more than one slate. There was significant overlap, for example, between the McCain and Pro-Life slates. So determination of which slate won is not as clear-cut. But it certainly appears that the order was: Uncommitted Pro-Life, McCain, Paul, Romney, others.
Identification of candidates with the various slates is not an official Party function and such analysis is provided solely as a courtesy to members of the press and as a response to the numerous inquiries received by the Party regarding this topic.
Someone do a deeper analysis please. I have a feeling the
double-counted delegates to come up with the order
"none-of-the-above", McCain, Paul.
|1.23.08 @ 8:27PM|#
Some more info:
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MWI2ZjJkOTI2MzBlMTgxNmY2ZDQ3ODlmZTZkOTE5YjY=
The hard part for me is the press release giving the preliminary
slate to the whole "pro-life" (which presumably means the delegate
is not commited to any particular candidate at this time, only that
they commit to voting for a pro-life agenda) while having a very
large outstanding number of votes yet to be verified.
One thing to remember as that up until this year Louisiana
elections pretty much didn't follow the standards of voting within
a party in the primary followed byt a general election of the
winners. Instead we had a primary where anyone could vote for any
candidate at all, which had the bizarre effect of alienating
massive amounts of voters by narrwoing a large field down to the
"top 2", who all too often were from the same party. So party
affiliation on the rolls didn;t mean all that much, so while the
state is very muchmajority registered Democrat the actual politics
here still leans more and more towards typical Southern
Conservative. It's just that nobody had a reason to bother changing
their registration before... until now. And thus some of the
confusion and seemingly last-minute changes of registration.
The whole stupidity of the Republicans (a party very much on the
upswing in Louisiana) in wanting to be "relavent" in the national
results with some kind of early caucus, while at the same time
trying not to be penalized by the GOP like Florida and some others
have been with a loss of delegates, leads to the nutty system with
the early caucus and later primary vote (and how those two will
interact). Bizare, but for the nutjobs in power around here it
makes a twisted sort of sense.
Of course Louisiana also feels a bit further left out because
"Super Tuesday" happens to fall on the same day here as Mardi Gras,
so you'd have an entire region that would have a tough time opening
any polls, let along getting to them, so the State decided to mave
that election day to Saturday instead leading back to the usual
inferority complex of not having some seeming influence on the
whole race.
In all I'd say the story at the moment is just a non-story here.
Until the rest of those preliminary votes get verified the numbers
in quite a few districts just don't mean anything yet.
LevStrauss|1.23.08 @ 8:48PM|#
How can you be against life and family? Unfortunately is says something when the only pro life and pro family candidate they could find is dead. There is definitely an esoteric quality to it. If and when they shuffle the next Machiavellian warmonger on to the nomination they are going to get slaughtered. They aren't even that great with the propaganda no more, everyone not in the cult is sick of their bullshit and they want either empty talk of hope bullshit or the experience to change bullshit in place of that bullshit. I do like talking about the points of policy but the voting public is so damn stupid that breaking it into any finer detail is pointless. I don't care if people have different views, but I will not give their views any weight if they do not take at least a little bit of time to figure them out. Too many people I talk to lean their head backward and hum like I just asked them to recite the fundamentals of thermodynamics.
|1.23.08 @ 9:36PM|#
MLK, nice that you hide behind an ebay email address.
You're a troll piece of shit, mate!
|1.23.08 @ 9:56PM|#
Umm... for those who think the pro-life/pro-family thing means a vote for either a dead candidate or none-of-the-above, you're wrong. It only means pushing the pro-life/pro-family agenda at the convention and, presumably, only voting for an appropriate pro-live/pro-family nominee amongst the ones available. Thus if you read the article I linked above you'll find that some folks voted for multiple slates, apparently, in effect saying they were undecided but that several candidates might fit the bill well enough. It's not necessarily a negative vote against the candidates available. (Remember the voting at the caucus was NOT for a candidate, per-se, but for a delegate who presumably would support a particular candidate, or at least some agenda at the convention.)
|1.23.08 @ 10:25PM|#
Lenny,
On paper, your analysis is perfect. The problem is that for some
reason the 'prolife, profamily' slate has a lot of overlap with the
McCain slate.
McCain is fairly pro-abortion, leaving cynics (read: everyone) to
think that that slate was just an emergency measure to keep Ron
Paul from winning.
Fluffy|1.23.08 @ 10:33PM|#
I hate McCain, but McCain's pro-life credentials really aren't open to question. Next to Huckabee I would say he's the most pro-life Republican in the race. Romney doesn't count because he just makes shit up as he goes along, and Paul doesn't count because his federalism makes him less of an abortion opponent than the more authoritarian Huckabee and McCain. If McCain delegates were calling themselves pro-life that's absolutely fair.
|1.23.08 @ 11:05PM|#
Matt, I don't disagree. In fact I think the La. GOP press
release aludes to that and it may well be that some of the votes
for thsoe delegates are considered to be votes, in effect, for
McCain. They may even be votes against Dr. Paul, I can't say for
certain. Politics here can be extremely complex and it may take a
lot more understanding of personal relationships to fully weed out
motivations and interpretations by any political entity in this
State. There's a saying here that folks will often vote for the
incumbent, because you know how corrupt they are but you have no
idea how corrupt the next guy might be! Add in the good-ole-boy
networking and general who-you-know-not-how-qualified-you-are
mentality that makes us might friendly folks down here, but of the
flip side make us more than a bit backwards, and you get the drift
of how complex the whole thing might really be beyond the oddball
methodology.
Personally I'm hoping the provisional votes are primarily for RP
delegates and that they'll prove to be legit enough to give him a
huge boost. Lots of local supporters really ahve been pretty one
the ball trying to make folks aware of the actual need to register
Republican to be able to vote for Dr. Paul at all in the caucus and
primaries. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I do find it
interesting how Mr. Villere, in that press release, made sure to
praise the Paul supporters, encouraging to come into and stay in
the Republican fold. In some ways that part of the press release
may be more telling about the Louisiana Republican Party than
anything else. Not necessarily welcoming of the candidate so much
as wanting all those energized supporters, or so it seemed to read
to me.
Samson|1.23.08 @ 11:06PM|#
The National Right to Life Committee is not a fan of
McCain.
"The ballots of those who are found eligible will be added to
totals and the outcomes of some races in Districts 1,2,4,5 and 6
could possibly be affected."
- from www.lagop.com
|1.23.08 @ 11:37PM|#
Samson
Your link serves, for me at least, to prove how utterly crazy the
NRLC is. They obviously hate McCain for "reasons they would rather
not say" (meaning his opposition to their advertising under
McCain-Feingold). The article is one of the more amazing examples
of special pleading I have seen in a LONG time.
The guy has a good pro-life voting record (one reason to dislike
the guy imo). Even they can't dispute that ("During his 17 years in
Congress, McCain has usually voted anti-abortion"; "but he did vote
pro-life with a few exceptions"). But then they add some pretty
amazing "qualifiers." He (GASP!) told an editorial board that he'd
"love to see a point where it (Roe v. Wade) is irrelevant" (that
AIN'T good enough for fanatics btw) but he dared add "I would not
support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of
women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."
Now, even THEY have to mention that when asked about this "quote"
(to ONE paper board mind you) McCain said that he "misspoke."
Jesus these people are interminable. They would prefer someone who
works much of his life to fuck them and then when he needs them
turns around and tells them what they want to hear (Romney) to
someone who works most of his life in support of their position but
has (possibly) said something they don't like (even as he
ultimately endorsed their view!!!). And these pro-life people
wonder why people think of them as crazy fanatics...
|1.23.08 @ 11:41PM|#
For anyone interested, the only reason David Duke made it
anywhere in La politics was because he was the anti-Edwin Edwards.
There was a lot of mess and corruption going on with Dave Treen,
Edwin Edwards and other folks at the time. Some people voted for
him (once) to make a statement of "none of the others" never
thinking he'd actually make it as far as he did. He was, and is, an
embarassment to Louisiana. And he is anti-Ron Paul, since David
Duke is just as big an egocentric political junkie as the rest of
the climbers are.
The "Ronald Reagan" ticket delegates are professional politicans
who need to be voted out pronto--look at their records and business
affiliations.
John Mascaro|1.24.08 @ 1:22AM|#
Can anyone say Gumbo!?
The uncommitteds will commit soon and the only real pro-life
candidate by far is Ron Paul.
But I agree that the LA GOP needs to be monitored like a hawk to
prevent destruction of ballots which as many of you know, according
to Bev Harris of BlackBoxVoting.org, is a common pastime among
dedicated civil servant election supervisors.
miche|1.24.08 @ 1:25AM|#
@ BayouMe: True dat. (For all of you others, dat is a very
common word in South Louisiana's vernacular.)
Of course Louisiana also feels a bit further left out because "Super Tuesday" happens to fall on the same day here as Mardi Gras, so you'd have an entire region that would have a tough time opening any polls, let along getting to them, so the State decided to mave that election day to Saturday instead leading back to the usual inferority complex of not having some seeming influence on the whole race.
And my baby sis is still at home (transplanted to Houma from NOLA),
a Ron Paul supporter, with the added problem of February 5th being
her birthday. I'm still trying to figure out if I need to go home
to keep her sober enough to vote. ;o)
Do ya think they'll hold up Rex and Zulu to allow the parade route
be used for voting?
|1.24.08 @ 3:02AM|#
This r3VOLution goes well beyond the doctor and this election. We are building an organization that will start taking control of the local republican party organizations, then the states, then the national GOP. It's going to take some time to retake the party from the Neoconmen and Religious Crusaders that have hijacked our party and our country, but if we start at the local level we can eventually restore the party of Reagan and Goldwater. Our eyes are now wide open on how serious it is that we take back our constitution and our country before our children suffer anymore.
|1.24.08 @ 7:36AM|#
miche, no fears. Like you quoted we WON'T be voting on the 5th (Super Tuesday and Mardi Gras). Louisiana has moved the election to the 9th, instead.
miche|1.24.08 @ 12:05PM|#
I knew that Lenny but I was drunk last night. Thankfully, I live in TX and quit partying for days at a time when I was much younger. The little sis still partyings NOLA style. ;o)
mike|1.24.08 @ 1:46PM|#
I live in Virginia so i don't even have to register as a
republican. haha
GO RON PAUL
|1.24.08 @ 1:51PM|#
In Jesus Name I declare Dr Ron Paul winner.
Someone put some agreement on that please!
RonPaul2008Blog|1.24.08 @ 2:30PM|#
I apologize if this gets submitted twice...the first try isn't
showing up yet!
Please read: Foul Play at LA GOP Caucus?
http://unofficial-ronpaul2008blog.blogspot.com/2008/01/foul-play-at-la-gop-caucus.html
clickable|1.24.08 @ 3:32PM|#
http://unofficial-ronpaul2008blog.blogspot.com/2008/01/foul-play-at-la-gop-caucus.html
|1.24.08 @ 11:30PM|#
I know Libertarian types will want to vote for Ron Paul in the
primaries. But, come general election time if Paul is out and John
Edwards, by some truly amazing chance, is the Dem nominee, vote for
Edwards to voice your complaint with the Repub Establishment.
There is even a chance, putting aside the health care reform
Edwards wants, that Edwards could go for some reduction in
government which would please Libertarians.
I don't promise. I'm hardly in a position to do that. But, of all
the Dems his positions are most amenable to being executed in
middle-of-the-road or Libertarian-leaning ways.
No promises, just good reasons to not vote for the Repub nominee.
YMMV
Good luck getting Paul nominated. It would be a real kick to see
him beat all the Establishment Repubs.
-- a John Edwards supporter
Tiny|1.25.08 @ 2:16AM|#
Man Huey Long would be proud. Hey if you want better government,
like oh I don't know maybe GOOD LEVEES or roads or schools vote for
someone who is HONEST. Wake up people before the red tide of
corporate fascism inundates us all.
www.ronpaul2008.com
B|1.25.08 @ 11:18PM|#
"Don't tell me the pricks found another way to keep Ron Paul
from winning. You know people, it's becoming the pricks against WE
THE PEOPLE - we need to find a way to fight back. Go Ron Paul - ALL
THE WAY."
Yes, go Ron Paul go. We haven't had an opportunity to elect a man
who hates blacks as much as Paul since the administration of
Woodrow Wilson.
I AM THE MEDIA|1.26.08 @ 10:57AM|#
Yes make it a racial issues. THats not what they want at alll...
unity is feared by the powers that be and ignorant fucks like you
continue to bring us back to it. Post anonymously
To quote clinton:
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES! ALL OF YOU!
David|1.26.08 @ 12:32PM|#
Apparently 2/3 of all the provisionals cast were thrown out
because they were not registered Republican. We're talking about
500-600 voters, most of which voted for RP delegates, and who are
aware of our closed caucus/primary system.
The LA GOP knew that the majority of new Republicans are people
that were formerly of other parties coming to the Paul camp, and
used it to their advantage, in more ways than one. They also stated
that their records only went to November 1, so people who
registered Republican from Nov 1 to Nov 30, within the legal time
frame, were forced to cast provisional. In my district, and I'm
sure all of the districts followed suit, we kept records of all the
people who had to vote provisional.
|1.26.08 @ 3:07PM|#
If the Republicans bring me Ron Paul, then they can have the
vote of this unaffiliated with any political party registered
voter.
If Ron will not be the candidate for the Republicans, then I will
be forced to vote for the Democrats candidate.
The 2008 election will then become a matter of choosing the lesser
of two evils..... again.
|1.26.08 @ 5:57PM|#
What a crock! The Ron Paul people were registered and still not allowed to vote. Nice last minute fabricated cover story though Louisiana GOP. You may be liars but at least your consistent with most political parties nowadays.
|1.29.08 @ 5:47PM|#
contact these guys and demand legitimate official results
now.
Jason Dore
LA GOP, Communications/ Political Director
225 266 8727
jdore [at] lagop [dot] com
Roger Villere
LA GOP, Chairman
504 830 4505
rv2 [at] villeresflorist [dot] com
|1.29.08 @ 5:50PM|#
the only reporting on this fiasco yet:
http://www.lsureveille.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&uStory_id=f35bdb92-089d-42a9-a4c5-53f6faf9f036
|1.31.08 @ 11:20AM|#
Why are Ron Paul backers called nuts. Because we respect the
words "WE THE PEOPLE"?
You blindly follow what the corporate media tells you.
McCain should be running in Mexico. These are the only people he
wants to serve. How many immigration reforms did he try and pass.
Pay 3000 and your a citizen.
Rommny wants to deport but if you are here longer than others you
get more time to leave.How do we know how long they have been here
as criminals?
Also as a businessman he promoted outsourcing which if I remember
means less jobs for the real Americans.
Why is Ron Paul a kook?
Balanced budgets?
Non intervention in soveriegn nations?
reigning in foriegn aid.
Stopping unfair free trade agreements?
Closing our borders?
McCain said in California he would not vote for amnesty now. He
said we have to build the fence first.What happens after the fence
is built?
Ron Paul for all you true conservatives out there was the only
candidate in D.C to march for life.
Stop helping the Old guard from bashing this man.Do yourself a
favor and look at the facts. Rommney flip flops, McCain does not
respect our laws and soveriegnty.
Ron Paul
The only true American
Bob Brereton
Eatontown N.J
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