David Weigel | November 9, 2007
Reason Contributing Editor Julian Sanchez commands the cover of The American Prospect this month with a compact-but-informative piece on comic books in the War on Terror. For all the hand-wringing (especially this year) about movies that deal with rendition or Iraq or leaders of the free world who don't always exhibit veracity and wisdom, comics have been attacking these themes since right after the attacks. And they got cynical way before Hollywood did. (I haven't heard of any movies save Death of a President which show George W. Bush taking one to the temple, but I've seen Bush stripped naked and forced to kiss a supervillain's feet in Ultimate X-Men, and I've seen a Bush surrogate in The Authority dumped out of a portal into the streets of Baghdad, ostensibly to be murdered by a mob.)
Still, Sanchez argues that they're still pretty superficial:
Perhaps the most interesting thing about these stories is why they fail. For as much as they seek to tease out the complexity and moral ambiguity of their themes, the authors of most of these tales clearly mean to convey a liberal or civil libertarian message. So much so that in 2003, the Foundation for Defense of Democracies released a screed titled "The Betrayal of Captain America," by right-wing pundit Michael Medved, decrying leftist infiltration of comics; that same year, professional bluenose Brent Bozell of the Media Research Center condemned Superman as a Ba'athist sympathizer. Yet when these stories go beyond leftish imitations of a previous generation's simplistic propaganda comics, the allegories tend to collapse under the weight of their own internal contradictions. There are, of course, openly conservative comics -- ranging from the ludicrous Liberality for All (starring a cyborg Sean Hannity!) to Bill Willingham's brilliantly layered Fables. But there is often a strong (if unintended) neoconservative subtext even in stories by left-leaning authors.
Last year I barely survived a marathon read of right-wing science fiction about the WoT.
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They did decide to kill off Captain America. It was quite
sanctimonious.
I mean gimme a break ... he's CAPTAIN AMERICA!
I hate to sound like some jingoistic hawk, but it's a comic book
... if we can't have guns blazing, idealistic, red, white and blue
heroism in a fucking comic book ...
The mind reels.
Peter,
One of us is confused. I assumed from Weigel's title that this is
thread that we post random 1980s era REM lyrics.
If your friends took a fall, are you obligated to follow?
Am I the only one that thinks the current political environment makes for boring allegory in pretty much every form of entertainment?
Conservative: "You are against the war, therefore you must be
liberal".
Liberal: "You are against the war, therefore you must be
liberal".
This extends even unto comic books.
Am I the only one that thinks the current political
environment makes for boring allegory in pretty much every form of
entertainment?
The 80s was the best and won't be beat for at least a hundred
years.
The 80s was the best and won't be beat for at least a
hundred years.
We can reach our destination, but we're still a ways away
The 80s was the best and won't be beat for at least a
hundred years.
WOLVERINES!!!!!
I'm callin all citizens from all over the world
This is Captain America callin
I helped you out when you were down on your knees
So won't you catch me now I'm fallin - FALLIN
The whole "Civil War" theme of Marvel was interesting, but
definitely a bit overdone. I only followed the Spiderman and
Punisher parts of it, though.
"The Dark Knight Returns" is still the best comic of all time,
though.
From the 1996 DC graphic novel Kingdom Come:
Superman: I can do anything...I'm Superman.
Wonder Woman: Except, apparently, face your own fears...
The whole "Civil War" theme of Marvel was interesting, but definitely a bit overdone.
For "Civil War" to work, readers have to buy into the idea that
"defending civil liberties" equals "giving free reign to powerful,
costumed vigilantes who are above the law, answer to no one, and
can't even be held libel for collateral damage" The writers at
Marvel could write Iron man as a dick all they wanted, Iron man was
still right.
I thought the X-Men Ultimate issue where Magneto humbles GW to be maddeningly stupid. OK, so I know people have been racheting Magneto's capabilities up and up to near Galactus levels (look at the Ultimate FF issue where an alternate universe verion nearly single handedly scatters dozens of Marvel's mightiest), but it is just bizarre that he would reshape the circuits in the Sentinels control mechanisms to "counter-program" them to turn on the Pentagon...WTF is he a computer programmer now?
For the record, Dr. Doom is the greatest Marvel villian of all time. Magneto is far, far below...
I'm fairly right-leaning, and a lot of those things get under my
skin more than they should. So I may not be on the same page with
you.
But for some reason the last line of this post truly had me
laughing out loud, it's just such a crappy-sounding marathon to be
in.
For the record, Dr. Doom is the greatest Marvel villian of
all time.
Well said, peasant! When Doom destroys the accursed Reed Richards
and his Fantastic Fools, Doom swears that your life of servitude
will be slightly less unpleasant than those of your fellow future
slaves.
As a horror comic writer, artist and self-publisher, I was pleasantly surprised to return to superheroes (after a lengthy hiatus) with the Marvel Civil War storyline. It had pretty much everything to offer: politics of privacy invasion to fight an intangible war, the falling out between two best friends (Iron Man and Captain America), the marital problems between Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman, the symbolism involved with Captain America's assassination. This also shows how comic's target age group has matured, the majority of comic readers are in their 20's, so the content isn't something one would normally find off a Saturday morning cartoon (not that there is anything wrong with that, mind you). Not to mention the art is spectacular. I recommend the Civil War storyline to anyone and everyone.
The writers at Marvel could write Iron man as a dick all they wanted, Iron man was still right.
Which is why Spidey was working with him until he discovered the
superhero "Guantanamo" where they locked up all of the heroes that
didn't want to register. Like I said, it was a bit overdone.
David,
You read a bunch of right wing WoT Science fiction and it did not
include John Ringo's Paladin of Shadows series? Not a very through
job there Weigel.
On the other hand Ringo's books are more revenge fantasy and have
relatively little Science Fiction in them.
We are, we are, we are ever helpless
take us forever
a whisper to a scream
Who over the age of 10 reads comic books? ...Oh, yeah,
sorry.
That's funny coming from someone who thinks the X-Files was a
documentary.
Lonewacko, maybe you'd like comics if they had heroes for you -
CaptainBorderPatrol, or NorthAmericanUnionAvenger
Who, with an I.Q. over ten, rejects Reason for the
likes of World Net Daily?
No one, apparently...
Who over the age of 10 reads comic books?
People with far more sophistication and intelligence than you'll
ever hope to have, TLB.
Personally, I've always thought superhero comics are for Peter
Pan types ("Look, up in the sky! It's Pec-Man and his scantily clad
partner, Buxom-Woman!").
However, I differentiate between comic BOOKS and comic ART, as I
would read Peter Bagge, Chris Ware, Art Spiegelman, Robert Crumb or
Berkeley Breathed in a heart beat, but wouldn't wipe my ass with
anything that contains the suffix "-MAN" in the title.
Real men read The Iliad. Little boys read
300.
Fred, you really should pick up the Civil War storyline. Find the trade and read it. You'll find there's a lot more to offer than "flights, fights and tights."
Well said, peasant! When Doom destroys the accursed Reed
Richards and his Fantastic Fools, Doom swears that your life of
servitude will be slightly less unpleasant than those of your
fellow future slaves.
Oh God, here he goes again. Doom, do you want to end up like Future
Namor?
I have *got* to up his saltpeter dosage.
You are all wrong!
I, Darkseid, am the greatest Marvel villian of all time. The power
of Apokalips shall-
What the fuck? Marvel? Damn your eyes, Dan DiDio, you brought back
the multiverse and now everything is screwed up!
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