Michael C. Moynihan | October 1, 2007
Always ahead of the curve, the Times Sunday Styles section notices that many blogs feature—get this—readers commenting on posts. And some of those commenters, like the part-time wedding photographer "DaShiv," a frequent poster at MetaFilter, have become minor stars in their own right:
But thanks to a particular wrinkle of Internet culture, DaShiv is a star, an internationally famous portrait photographer, feted and fawned over during his 10-day visit to New York. This fame is not thanks to his own blog. He doesn't have one. Nor has he scored big by creating a clever YouTube video or a flashy MySpace page. DaShiv's notoriety stems from the popularity of the comments and photos he posts on blogs run by other people.
But there are also nasty types commenting, the Times warns:
Commenting has become such a widely played sport that new tools are being deployed to separate the "trolls" - unwelcome commenters - from the favorites. Eater plans to offer readers the option of custom-filtering comments to exclude certain writers. Little Green Footballs started a rating system that lets users vote a comment up or down on a page, "to help the better ones be noticed," the site creator, Charles Johnson, wrote in an e-mail message.
What point there might be to someone putting all his creative sweat into a 1,700-word exegesis on the cultural status of Bonobo apes, which a few hundred strangers might read, can be partially explained by a writer's desire to be recognized within an online community, Mr. Poe said. On MetaFilter, readers can mark other users' comments as a favorite, and commenters derive pride from how many times they have been "favorited," he said.
H&R commenters, "derive pride" by commenting on this post.
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I expect to be treated as a star as well if I ever make it to a Reason Happy Hour.
H&R commenters, "derive pride" by commenting on this
post.
I don't even want to comment on that.
Commenting has become such a widely played sport that new
tools are being deployed to separate the "trolls"
Edward, Junita, et al. Your days are numbered...
YOUR TOOLS ARE USELESS IN THE FACE OF THE DREADED, BELOVED, FEARED, AND ADMIRED URKOBOLD
Commenting has become such a widely played sport that new tools
are being deployed to separate the "trolls"
Edward, Junita, et al. Your days are numbered.
I suspect the URKOBOLD will use this technology for a series of
"Great Purges" to purify the readership.
Dan- You will not be feted. You will be worshipped in the manner befitting a deity such as yourself.
Of course, there are different types of "trolls", including
those with whom the site disagrees or who consistently point out
flaws in the site's posts. Other times, what could be called
"trolling" is
actually satire designed to reveal the vapidity of the post among
other things (#4). Also see:
youtube.com/watch?v=EZL86RtHzAc
On a serious note, I note that Youtube has a rating system, and my
serious comments pointing out flaws in a "liberal's" video tend to
get voted down. The opposite doesn't appear to be happening on
non-"liberal" videos.
Luckily they haven't made software keen enough to sort out
sarcasm and snark, or Weigel might not even be able to post his
stories to begin with.
However, spellcheck has been around for ages, and that doesn't seem
to effect his posts either...
Guys, did you know that The New York Times publishes a daily anthology of very short essays called "Letters to the Editor"?
H&R commenters, "derive pride" by commenting on this
post.
And while you're at it test your Civic
Literacy bitches.
The spell check thing always puts a red line under
"commenters".
TERRORIFIC IS A JERK.
NEENER NEENER.
SO THERE.
YOU JUST HAVE A CRUSH ON WEIGAL.
(sob sob)... I want to thank everyone that makes my blog comments possible... (sob) too many people to name... (sniff sniff) I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOU!!!
Egad, it's taken this long for the NYTimes to discover trolls?
Personally, I don't quite respect sources that either a) don't
allow comments or b) have posters that don't read and participate
in reader comments. Obviously that can get unwieldy on the the
bigger blogs, but even there some sort of "best comments" system
could be worked out.
TERRORIFIC IS A JERK.
NEENER NEENER.
SO THERE.
YOU JUST HAVE A CRUSH ON WEIGAL.
Perhaps, but I only abuse him because I love him.
Terrorific,
However, spellcheck has been around for ages, and that doesn't
seem to effect his posts either.
It is affect, not effect.
Damn, people need to buy a grammar book. Here's
a good one.
Speaking of Urkobold, there's a place on CR-419 between Chuluota and Oviedo Florida actually named "Taintsville".
Dammit....I just realized I wrote "effect" and not "affect" in a post deriding bad spelling. I'm sorry Dave. Are we still on for this weekend?
Wait, LGF has commenters?
When you close registration and leave it closed for years at a
time, can't we say that effectively all your approved registrants
are now staffers?
I wouldn't call the URKOBOLD a tool.
Not if you value your taint.
Terrorific,
You've stumbled on joe's Law of Teh Internets:
When you write a comment insulting someone's intelligence, you will
make at least one glaring spelling error.
I've managed to dope out effect/affect. Now farther/further still screws me up from time to time. Just sayin'.
joe,
Which is the one clear proof that God does, in fact, exist.
Is there really a Taintsville, or is that just a pathetic attempt
(by others, not anyone here) to insult Gainesville? I can find no
proof of its existence, other than a few Google hits. Which prove
nothing! VM needs to know the truth for future postings.
Little Green Footballs started a rating system that lets users vote a comment up or down on a page, "to help the better ones be noticed," the site creator, Charles Johnson, wrote in an e-mail message.
Except that comments voted up at LGF are troll droppings everywhere
else.
In other news the NYT reports on sudden popularity, and the strange dialect, of sending text messages.
Nice to know that those who live in their mothers' basements with hentai as their only sexual outlet now have a way to "derive pride."
Is there really a Taintsville
Of course there is. But you won't find it in Rand McNally.
I'm paid $3,100,000/year by Big Corporations to post comments here. So my contributions are tainted by my being a shill for anything and everything. Buy Coke! No, Pepsi!
I remember heavily posting on NYT boards back in 1998 and 1999
saying we needed to pay some of our old anti-Soviet pals in
Afghanistan to corral and kill Osama and his band of 'Afghan
Arabs'.
If they had only heeded my advice...
One of the funniest things I read on there at the time was an
Indian guy telling Muslims to "stick their fatwa up their
watwa."
I also sell advertising space in my postings.
Children of Men--now on DVD!
Visit lovely Taintsville--the other side of
Florida!
On the train to Taintsville last week, I was reading a New York Times article about this new international "TELE-PHONE" gadget that would allow someone to call from the U.S. to as far away as Persia or Siam.
Of course there is. But you won't find it in Rand
McNally.
Not the "Randy" Rand McNally I know. It's INSANE
that guy's taint.
I think it is true that some of the worst trolls in some threads
can be some of the best commenters in others.
...and I think people who use filters to block out comments by
certain commenters makes commenting a lesser experience. ...and
I've seen evidence to suggest that the people who make such filters
are way too easily offended, prissy wussies.
Is there really a Taintsville, or is that just a pathetic
attempt (by others, not anyone here) to insult Gainesville? I can
find no proof of its existence, other than a few Google hits. Which
prove nothing! VM needs to know the truth for future
postings.
If there is a town named Taintsville, and it is in fact between
podunk town A and podunk town B in central Florida, I wouldn't be
surprised if it's not on the map.
This is fascinating.
Does anyone know where I can go to witness this phenomenon first
hand?
JMR stole my thunder.
Boo hoo
What? Oh my, what is this? What's this upwelling of pride in my
breast? Is it the knowledge that my words are being read and
appreciated by millions hundreds a
handful of other procrastinators? I think I'm gonna cry.
BG,
No idea. I assume these "commenters" are limited to the rich and
powerful. The hoi polloi are denied access to such
things.
I can snap a pick of the city sign for you if you want. I pass
it omw home from work most days.
As I said you can see it on CR-419 driving from Chuluota to Oviedo.
The sign sure looks like a standard city name sign and it's been up
for years.
They want to vote down trolls, probably keep them from posting. That would would be a great idea, the majority will never have to hear a discenting opinion again.
Naturally, I believe your eyes more than stupid Google when it comes to tiny Florida towns. However, I know that VM would pay money to have such a picture. He'd pay even more to have actual possession of the sign itself.
Edward, Junita, et al. Your days are numbered...
Just because I point out the idiocy of believing that Ron Paul has
any shot whatsoever of winning in '08 makes me a "troll?"
Fuck you. I'm done with this nuthouse.
Little Green Footballs started a rating system that lets
users vote a comment up or down on a page, "to help the better ones
be noticed," the site creator, Charles Johnson, wrote in an e-mail
message.
Better not tell CdrTaco at /. about this!
About 1995 I saw Newt Gingrich giving some talk and he mentioned
"The first time the New York Times mentions the internet will be in
the New York Times book review about the '100th Anniversary of the
Internet' ". Who knew he could get so close?
We should be able to register nicknames on this website, you know, to make commenting a bit more 'trustworthy' if you will.
"When you write a comment insulting someone's intelligence, you
will make at least one glaring spelling error"
That is very similar to my law about the internet but mine
goes
When you write a comment ........... you will make at least one
glaring spelling error
Now that they've discovered blog comments, how long before they discover LOLCATZ?
Edward- You can cast it that way if you like. But you may also
consider the possibility that you are dubbed a troll because your
posts are repetitive and shrill, and because you continue to post
the same damn thing even though every regular here has heard and
acknowledged your views.
This is the second time you've thrown a hissy fit and threatened to
leave.* Keep in mind that those sorts of threats only work if the
listeners don't want you to go.
*Presuming that you are actually responsible for the other posts
made in your name.
Troll Ed Said: Just because I point out the idiocy of
believing that Ron Paul has any shot whatsoever of winning in '08
makes me a "troll?"
Fuck you. I'm done with this nuthouse.
Hey, what would you call someone who repeatedly declares his
intention to leave a "nuthouse," but cannot in fact leave?
Edward | October 1, 2007, 10:46am | #
Fuck this place. I'm outta here for real this time.
SugarFree | October 1, 2007, 11:22am | #
Edward always threatens to leave and never does. He's a lying
douchebag.
Edward | October 1, 2007, 11:54am | #
Fuck you SugarFree, this is my last post here.
SugarFree | October 1, 2007, 1:03pm | #
Edward,
Your sweet promises fall on deaf ears, for you have broken them so
oft before.
No, you're a troll because you are a liar. But if you want to say
the bad people are mean to you because you don't like Ron Paul,
then go right ahead. We'll all be waiting here for you when you dry
your tears and prove yourself a liar again.
(Number 6, this is actually the 4th time he's threatened to leave
(but, then I don't read every comment thread.))
You all make fun, but I know a good number of people who would read that article in the NYT and strike up a conversation with me, thinking they are discussing some cutting edge sociological discovery of a fringe group that will soon catch on and become commonplace.
Has a PhD thesis on the phenomenon that is blog commenting been successfully defended to date? I'm curious.
When you write a comment insulting someone's intelligence,
you will make at least one glaring spelling error.
Thats bullsiht.
You all make fun, but I know a good number of people who
would read that article in the NYT and strike up a conversation
with me, thinking they are discussing some cutting edge
sociological discovery of a fringe group that will soon catch on
and become commonplace.
Does this article make us mainstream now?
Hey, what would you call someone who repeatedly declares his
intention to leave a "nuthouse," but cannot in fact
leave?
Stuck in a nut rut?
And I'd like to thank Mom & Dad ... and of course all
the trolls...
You can only thank Mom & Dad once per acceptance speech.
Just because I point out the idiocy of believing that Ron
Paul has any shot whatsoever of winning in '08 makes me a
"troll?"
No, Edward, it does not.
The MANNER in which you constantly make this point makes you a
troll.
Here are the other two (I love Google site search. There. I've
said it.):
Edward | August 15, 2007, 11:18am | #
"...Moulitsas-one of the savviest and most impactful political
operators of this young century-thinks there's strength in
associating his party with libertarianism."
He doesn't fucking think there's strength in associating his party
with libertarianism, you knucklehead. He's using "libertarian" in a
normal, non-lunatic-sectarian sense of socially liberal. If you
inform most intelligent people of the extemist positions Reason's
brand of libertainism takes, they roll their eyes and back
away.
This is my absolutely final contribution to this psychopathic
forum. Please ban me.
Edward | August 31, 2007, 2:48pm | #
Wow, no sympathy at all for a man suffering the ravages of chemo
therapy, but pious reverence for a dead crackpot like Aaron Russo.
I'm glad I decided to stop posting in this psycho ward.
Edward | August 31, 2007, 2:55pm | #
No, I realy have decided to stop posting here. This is absolutely
my last post. I just couldn't resist commenting on the hipocricy.
It rivals that of all the family-values-anti-gay Republican gays
put together. I'll resist commenting in the future because I won't
read this garbage anymore. I'm going to read Finnigan's Wake
instead.
Don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but the concept of
"whuffie" needs to be brought into this discussion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whuffie
A person's Whuffie is a general measurement of his or her
overall reputation, and Whuffie is lost and gained according to a
person's favorable or unfavorable actions.
What's "the hipocricy"?
Is that the latest indie-rock, who are so Ironic, they misspell
their name on purpose?
Speaking of Urkobold, there's a place on CR-419 between Chuluota and Oviedo Florida actually named "Taintsville".
Note to self...
Taktix,
That has got to be the most misspelled word in the whole
internets.
Taktix®,
Not quite. We're now merely the common people of which the Shat
sang. Or spoke. Or spoke/sang. Sang/spoke? Spang? Sanke?
Spanky?
jimmydageek,
Is Taintsville a win for the Florida contingent at Urkobold or a
loss? We win most battles head to head with the Illinoislings, I'd
say. They have Des Plaines, after all. Pronounced "Dez Planes".
Egad.
The most misspelled word on the Intertubes is accommodate.
Edward is still here?
Oh, nothin' for nothin', but uhm is this the same New York Times
that did a major, and I mean major, above-the-fold article wherein
they "exposed" sororities for being cliquish and shallow?
wrong!
Hands down the most misspelled word on the internet is "you're"
(spelled "your")
Though I don't know if you'd put that in a different category,
because homophone errors are everywhere.
Eater plans to offer readers the
Michael Moynihan, you might want to revise this to
"Enter plans to offer ..."
unless this is some play on words intended to be funny, in which
case my apologies for being thick.
Wasn't there some recent scholarship indicating that sororities
are, in fact, brothels? That seemed to be the case at Florida,
anyway, though I'll grant that they maintained a thin veneer of
attractive, intelligent non-Mr. Prostitutes.
Oh, wait, that was convents. My mistake.
new tools are being deployed to separate the "trolls"
...the dif between tools and trolls being subtle.
This talk of "other" trolls is blasphemous. There is only one
troll, The Troll. All hail URKOBOLD, the Flayer of Monkeys and
Witherer of Taints.
Now bow down and pray He forgives your heretical faggotry.
PL -
In Pennsylvania you cannot have sorority houses because any number
of girls living in the same house above some determined number (5,
I think) is considered a brothel. Or at least that was the
explanation that was fed to us at my school when I was there.
there's a place on CR-419 between Chuluota and Oviedo
Florida actually named "Taintsville".
So is Chulota in the front and Oviedo in the back, or vice
versa?
jimmydageek,
Is Taintsville a win for the Florida contingent at Urkobold or a loss? We win most battles head to head with the Illinoislings, I'd say. They have Des Plaines, after all. Pronounced "Dez Planes". Egad.
I would place that as a notch in the win column...actually, many,
many notches. Take that, Illinoislings!!
So is Chulota in the front and Oviedo in the back, or vice versa?
Normally, they would both be in the back. However, since
Taintsville is betwixt them, I would say Chulota is bringing up the
rear...
Heard the same thing from a friend at Tulane about New Orleans.
Snopes indicates that we're victims of yet another urban
legend.
jimmydageek,
Though I'll always concede to Chicagusians pizza and the blues.
URKOBOLD is dead. URKOBOLD remains dead. And we have killed him.
Reinmoose,
In Pennsylvania you cannot have sorority houses because any
number of girls living in the same house above some determined
number (5, I think) is considered a brothel.
I fear you've fallen victim to an old urban legend.
I've heard people in NC and FL say the same thing.
Sadly, you're not Factmoose today ;)
OK, the last 173 times I promised to quit posting I reposted, but this time I really, really mean it ... not even going to post to reaffirm my determination to not post.
Damn you, Pro G Lib,
You've beaten me!
Syloson,
I was once a doubter too, and I cannot begin to explain the taint
pain I had experienced.
Luckily, in a moment of divine mercy, the URKOBOLD brought my taint
back from the depths of ruin.
I love URKOBOLD.
And I really meant it at 4:18 -- I won't post
anymire anymore, ever.
After I fix the spelling error predicted by joe's Lawrs of Teh
Intertubes, of course ...
"Just because I point out the idiocy of believing that Ron Paul
has any shot whatsoever of winning in '08 makes me a
"troll?""
Oh, not just.
"Fuck you. I'm done with this nuthouse."
Pretty please?
new tools are being deployed to separate the "trolls"
...the dif between tools and trolls being subtle.
M wins the thread!
Yes, I figured it was probably an urban legend. But if you're familiar with Pennsylvania, it just sounds so plausible!
Yes, I figured it was probably an urban legend. But if
you're familiar with Pennsylvania, it just sounds so
plausible!
I am a Pittsburgh native, so yes, it is plausible.
Silly me, however, thinking I'd move to Broward County and be
(more) free of government intervention.
Ha!
So is Chulota in the front and Oviedo in the back, or vice
versa?
joe, you mean like catching vs. pitching?
screw you guys. i'm going home
(one week later...)
screw you guys... home
even later...
guys... home
...
I'm wondering which came first: Slashdot allowing commenters voting up and down comments, or the Times article author's college diploma.
I know that VM would pay money to have such a picture. He'd pay even more to have actual possession of the sign itself.
and would make sweet, sweet love to it...
/sighs, bats eyelashes
So is Chul[u]ota in the front and Oviedo in the back, or
vice versa?
Hard to say. Both were podunkville 15 years ago, but have become
well healed bedroom communities since. I once described Chuluota as
being the closest you could get to Brazil in Central Florida,
because there are several $500,000 - $2.5MM communities there, and
down the road are trailer parks. Old, nasty
trailer parks.
Teh story of Taintsville.
There is apparently a town in Victoria, Australia, known as
Tittybong. Just thought you should know.
The most frequently misspelled word on the Internet is "The"
("Teh"). Using "your" instead of "you're" is a close second (and
will not be flagged by spellcheck).
Have you noticed that people never misspell "fuck" or "shit"?
Edward. . . . I've heard of you.
[Strikes Edward with a tire iron, knocking him unconscious] I heard
you was dead!
Clearly I'm famous here. So many posts about me, quotes from my previous posts, people pretending to be me. Wow! Thanks for the recognition. Just for that, I sincerely hope Ron Paul breaks that 1% hurdle. He's the best punch line I've ever had.
The fuckin Duke of New York is I
Anyway, serious though, it would be a funny experiment if H&R
tried this 'post ranking' thing.
I am not crazy keen on it, as for the majority of threads there are
mostly the same old fellas a lot of the time... why bother. But
there's got to be some way to put the fucking guys who come here
with screeds they cross-post (usually involving mexicans or israel
or the big 9/11 'secrets' They Dont Want You To Know) in some kind
of 'retard box'
Anyhoo
TLB | October 1, 2007, 2:29pm | #
Of course, there are different types of "trolls",...
Yes. LoneWacko has a point.
He speaks for the "inveterate assholes"
GILMORE,
If they made those changes it might cause sub-space modulating gaps
in the force field thus giving the server squirrels an oppurtunity
to open a wormhole into our dimension of space time.
But there's got to be some way to put the fucking guys who
come here with screeds they cross-post (usually involving mexicans
or israel or the big 9/11 'secrets' They Dont Want You To Know) in
some kind of 'retard box'
Worry not, they put themselves in the retard box...
yes, but the retard boxes have HOLES dammit, and they keep sneaking out to embarrass us again and again and again and again (repeat)
Why not try my Taktix® brand
ServerSquirrels-B-Gone
and never fear wormholes in space time again!
Act now, and well throw in a can of troll repellent FREE!
That's a $30 dollar value, but if you call in the next 20 minutes,
we'll double your order!
That's two can of troll repellent and two cans of
ServerSquirrels-B-Gone, FREE!!!
Operators are standing by...
What's "the hipocricy"?
Is that the latest indie-rock, who are so Ironic, they misspell their name on purpose?
If they made those changes it might cause sub-space
modulating gaps in the force field thus giving the server squirrels
an oppurtunity to open a wormhole into our dimension of space
time.
I thought ozone hole theory was on a different thread?
What's "the hipocricy"?
Is that the latest indie-rock, who are so Ironic, they misspell
their name on purpose?
Not to be confused with hiphoprisy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Disposable_Heroes_of_Hiphoprisy
The Hipocricy's first couple albums were good. The ones they
released before they sold out.
You probably haven't heard of them.
*blows out stream of smoke, fixes hair*
I think it is amusing/telling that in a post about comments on MEFI, that no one actually comments on MEFI, but on LGF and the NYT.
And there's always hippocracy, or rule by horses
Not to mention hippoanusocracy, or rule by horses' asses.
URKOBOLD is dead. URKOBOLD remains dead. And we have killed
him.
I'M NOT DEAD!
Not to mention hippoanusocracy
Isn't the correct term for a horses ass "hippobottomus?"
Hippopotocracy,
Rule by stoned horses?
Block the trolls?! Are you high? (That was a rhetorical question.) I only look at these comments for the trolls. That and The Urkobold™.
Trolls?
On a different subject, what happened to quasibill? Is he still
here under a diff name?
Hippobotomus not only wins the thread, someone really has to adopt it as a dualie name.
"I don't believe in Urkobold.",
@Syloson of Samos:
I'd keep one hand on my taint if were you, my man...
Edward | October 1, 2007, 5:11pm | #
Clearly I'm famous here. So many posts about me, quotes from my previous posts, people pretending to be me. Wow! Thanks for the recognition. Just for that, I sincerely hope Ron Paul breaks that 1% hurdle. He's the best punch line I've ever had.
lol @ trolls being trolled
As St. Francis of Assisi was to birds and beasts of the field, Syloson of Samos is to trolls.
Have you noticed that people never misspell "fuck" or
"shit"?
I spell them fcxk and shiite (or shite if I don't feel like
tempting a fatwah)
So, NYT just now noticed /.'s karma system? Next they're going to report on this Y2k thing, aren't they?
Stevo Darkly,
Given that you are a Christian (I got that right, correct?) I would
suspect that you are the one preaching the love of all
creatures.
Next they're going to report on this Y2k thing, aren't
they?
I expect that Time or Newsweek will run the story next, and claim
that this blogging craze is just a fad.
Fluffy | October 1, 2007, 10:09pm | #
Hippobotomus not only wins the thread, someone really has to adopt
it as a dualie name.
Wow. On a thread about internet Whuffie I get a thread win. Makes
feel warm inside.
Make sure you spell Hippobottomus with 2 "T's" or
you would be talking about a robot horse instead of a horse's
ass.
Am I the only one reminded of G. H. Bush's marveling over a
bar-code scanner in the supermarket?
Next from the NYT--an article about these things called "computers"
and how they're used by MANY BUSINESSES!
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